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Maya - 09 Sep 2003 18:14 GMT
One of our boys, Turing, has been to the vet's recently.  He started to lose
his balance and lost a LOT of weight suddenly.  We took him to the vet's
and, as our usual vet was on holiday, we saw another vet.  She said that a
little extra of what he likes (especially things like nuts to help him put
on weight) would help as it'll make him feel a little better psychologically
(thus speeding the physical healing process)

I asked her at the time if avocado is okay (which our rats will do anything
for!) and she said yes.  The only problem is that I've just come back from
seeing our regular vet (who specialises in small animals, including rats)
and he said that you should never give rats (or any other rodent) avocado.
He said it's really bad for their kidneys.  Has anyone else heard of this?
We've always given avocado to our rats (about 12 years in total) and most of
them have lived to good ages; the oldest one was almost 4.  Many people I
know give avocado to their little ones, even some people on this group, so I
was wondering if anyone else had heard of this.  They only get a tiny amount
of avocado at a time and they get it maybe about 3 or 4 times a year, so I
wouldn't have thought it would be harmful to them at all.

Thanks in advance,

Maya
Susan Aplin - 09 Sep 2003 19:18 GMT
Did you explain to your usual vet  that you only give avocado to your rats
in tiny amounts a few times a year?He may well have thought that they had it
on a regular basis which would probably be quite bad for them.I think all of
us on this group have given our rats foodstuffs that would help them put
lost weight back on.We usually give them things like egg and cream ect.-just
until they have regained a bit of weight.I'm not sure about avocado-we don't
eat them ourselves.

> One of our boys, Turing, has been to the vet's recently.  He started to lose
> his balance and lost a LOT of weight suddenly.  We took him to the vet's
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>
> Maya
Maya - 10 Sep 2003 07:31 GMT
> Did you explain to your usual vet  that you only give avocado to your rats
> in tiny amounts a few times a year?He may well have thought that they had it
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> until they have regained a bit of weight.I'm not sure about avocado-we don't
> eat them ourselves.

Hiya Susan,

I *did* explain to the vet that they hardly ever get avocado, but he didn't
seem to think that mattered.  Our little guys (and girls) don't seem to like
egg in any form, but I haven't tried recently, so I may make a little
scrambled egg for our invalid tonight.

They *do* adore cream though!  Anything creamy is a "gotta have".  They'll
even stick their nose into your cup if you've got milk in your tea
(actually, they'll steal whatever's in your cup, even if they don't like it
that much, as they like to have what we're having!)

If you have any other ideas for what to feed him up on, it would be most
appreciated.  He on his usual Reggie Rat mix with fresh fruit, veg and nuts
when he'll eat it and some baby food too.

Thanks again,

Maya
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Kate - 10 Sep 2003 07:36 GMT
Have you tried adding a little mayonnaise to the egg?... My guys discovered
they liked it quite by accident..(thieving wee buggers..LOL)

> > Did you explain to your usual vet  that you only give avocado to your rats
> > in tiny amounts a few times a year?He may well have thought that they had
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> Maya
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Tracey - 10 Sep 2003 12:30 GMT
> Have you tried adding a little mayonnaise to the egg?... My guys discovered
> they liked it quite by accident..(thieving wee buggers..LOL)

Was just about to suggest this Kate!  My boys love mayonnaise!

Maya, what about toast with butter and jam (jelly/jello??? in US) or mushed
banana with a little honey.  I used to have a problem with being too skinny
and looked into everything to try and put weight on (wish I still had the
same problem LOL), one of the things that was recommended was to drink
chocolate milkshake, maybe a little of this would help your rat put weight
on.  A few other high calorie foods you could try include: hummus (chick-pea
dip); full-fat cream cheese; whole-milk yoghurt with a bit of mayple syrup
added.  Try not to feed your rat too much dairy produce though as it can
cause diarrhoea in the little fellows.  Maybe you could do an internet
search for high calorie foods and see what is recommended.

Well-wishes to little Turing :o)

Tracey
Susan Aplin - 10 Sep 2003 08:23 GMT
Hi Maya,
These are a few ideas for fattening your boy up.Try porridge or Ready Brek
made with full fat milk.Ours always loved things like fromaig
frais,yoghurt,custard and anything else that you would normally think was
bad for them.Oh! and try some buttered toast - they love it!

> > Did you explain to your usual vet  that you only give avocado to your rats
> > in tiny amounts a few times a year?He may well have thought that they had
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> Maya
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Catholic Boy - 29 Sep 2003 06:38 GMT
>They *do* adore cream though!  Anything creamy is a "gotta have".  They'll
>even stick their nose into your cup if you've got milk in your tea
>(actually, they'll steal whatever's in your cup, even if they don't like it
>that much, as they like to have what we're having!)

This may be gross to some, but I actually eat after my rats.....  Let
them have some coke or tea every now and then...  then I finish the
drink...

>If you have any other ideas for what to feed him up on, it would be most
>appreciated.  He on his usual Reggie Rat mix with fresh fruit, veg and nuts
>when he'll eat it and some baby food too.

All of my rodents are on Nutriphase products.  Their coats are always
VERY nice.  The gerbils have THICK, CLEAN, and glossy coats.  All of
the animals started being more active once I switched to this brand
too.   The rats coats are also very nice as well.  Especially the
little ones who still have their baby fur...
J&S Bouchard - 29 Sep 2003 20:56 GMT
> >They *do* adore cream though!  Anything creamy is a "gotta have".  They'll
> >even stick their nose into your cup if you've got milk in your tea
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> too.   The rats coats are also very nice as well.  Especially the
> little ones who still have their baby fur...

Hi Catholic boy... what are nutriphase products?
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paghat - 29 Sep 2003 21:31 GMT
> > This may be gross to some, but I actually eat after my rats.....  Let
> > them have some coke or tea every now and then...  then I finish the
> > drink...

If there's a rat on my shoulder while I'm gardening, & she's getting warm
& needs a drink of water, she may try to get spit out of my mouth. I'm not
adverse to allowing that.

Used to be a punk skateboarder downtown seattle who was always seen racing
about with a huge male rat on his shoulder, the rat's face turned into the
wind &amp almost as punky as the kid. His rat drank from his human's
mouth, & shared whatever they found to eat during the day. He wore rough
brown leather that was easy for the rat to grip when they were going down
hillside streets at high speeds, &amp the back of the leather was stained
by rat urine. They were a famous pair & even got their picture in the
paper a couple of times.

This was years ago & the guy still lives downtown but is now a well-known
ironworks designer & blacksmith, his youthful rat companion a creature of
memory.

-paghat

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J&S Bouchard - 30 Sep 2003 03:19 GMT
> > > This may be gross to some, but I actually eat after my rats.....  Let
> > > them have some coke or tea every now and then...  then I finish the
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>
> -paghat

That must have been a sight to see... love that!
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lOw - 30 Sep 2003 02:48 GMT
Catholic Boy a écrit:

> This may be gross to some, but I actually eat after my rats.....  Let
> them have some coke or tea every now and then...  then I finish the
> drink...

well then, I'm gross too then :)
I don't have a problem licking my finger after them
if they haven't licked my finger dry from whatever I
was giving them (which hardly ever happen anyway)

they never lick my saliva though, so I think it's
the grossest thing I can think of that I do. we
should make a gross contest :)

but then again, have you ever seen what a human mum
is capable of with her human kid ? I've heard things
like "oh it's not dirty, it's my baby's poo". I guess
it falls into the "you can't undestand, you don't have
children" routine.
it's funny cos dogs can gross me out pretty easily,
but ratties, nah, it's as if we had twin germs hehe.

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Kate - 30 Sep 2003 04:29 GMT
We have one boy Africa.... he loves to lick my tongue... I thought it was
gross when I saw him doing it with the kids... When they didn't all fall
down dead then I decided I just had to have a go too...LOL.  What soft
tongues they have..they feel far softer than when they lick your hands...
only drawback I had the first time he did this was...he tried to run away
with my tongue stud..:))  Bless his furry britches..

Have a good day all
Regards Kate.
> Catholic Boy a écrit:
>
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> it's funny cos dogs can gross me out pretty easily,
> but ratties, nah, it's as if we had twin germs hehe.
lOw - 30 Sep 2003 04:58 GMT
Kate a écrit:

> only drawback I had the first time he did this was...he tried to run away
> with my tongue stud..:))  Bless his furry britches..

I have a nephew (he was about 4 at the time) who once
decided he really had to check on my lip ring, so of
course the first thing he did was trying to remove it,
by tearing it. hem. one of my ratties once tried to
do the same, but at least he did let go when he felt
it was atually attached... :)

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Kate - 30 Sep 2003 22:46 GMT
LMAO....  Merlin has had a go at biting my labrette but thankfully that's
all..
> Kate a écrit:
>
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> do the same, but at least he did let go when he felt
> it was atually attached... :)
J&S Bouchard - 30 Sep 2003 12:18 GMT
> We have one boy Africa.... he loves to lick my tongue... I thought it was
> gross when I saw him doing it with the kids... When they didn't all fall
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> Have a good day all
> Regards Kate.

LOL!
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Kate - 10 Sep 2003 03:48 GMT
I gave my Guys some Avocado... They hated it !!!  So being the brave Mum
that I am I tried it too... Man that stuff is disgusting..it shouldn't even
be labelled as a food... Tastes what I imagine grass clippings would taste
like...LOL.

I have not read anywhere where Avocado is bad for them.  In moderation
(which is obviously what you are doing) I can't see that there is any harm.
P.S.  Avocado is fattening..:(

> One of our boys, Turing, has been to the vet's recently.  He started to lose
> his balance and lost a LOT of weight suddenly.  We took him to the vet's
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>
> Maya
Maya - 10 Sep 2003 07:24 GMT
> I gave my Guys some Avocado... They hated it !!!  So being the brave Mum
> that I am I tried it too... Man that stuff is disgusting..it shouldn't even
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> (which is obviously what you are doing) I can't see that there is any harm.
> P.S.  Avocado is fattening..:(

It does taste slightly grassy I guess.  It's really nice with some lemon
juice squeezed on it (not that I think my rats would like that, but they
definately go for the plain stuff!)

You're right about them being fattening though!  Avocados are high in
essential fatty acids, so I thought they'd help Turing put a bit of weight
back on, since he's lost so much so quickly (although if anyone else has any
suggestions, they'd be most welcome, as he's getting fed up of all the fresh
fruit and veg I'm feeding him along with his usual rat food and baby food!)

Maya
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JumpKick - 11 Sep 2003 12:56 GMT
> > I gave my Guys some Avocado... They hated it !!!  So being the brave Mum
> > that I am I tried it too... Man that stuff is disgusting..it shouldn't
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> juice squeezed on it (not that I think my rats would like that, but they
> definately go for the plain stuff!)

try putting some salt onto it... I love it!

I put it on bread
Dave Ryman - 10 Sep 2003 12:16 GMT
Oh yes, definitely. They sneak into your room at night and steal all your
toys, eat your chocolate and bite big holes in your duvet. At least, I
think that it's the avocado's that are doing it, it could be the bananas -
they always seem so good, but I expect that they sometimes just blame
things on the avocados just to get away with it.

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Maya - 10 Sep 2003 18:52 GMT
> Oh yes, definitely. They sneak into your room at night and steal all your
> toys, eat your chocolate and bite big holes in your duvet. At least, I
> think that it's the avocado's that are doing it, it could be the bananas -
> they always seem so good, but I expect that they sometimes just blame
> things on the avocados just to get away with it.

Hehehe!

You've really made my day with that one!  I've had a terrible day at work,
and that really cheered me up!

Maya
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J&S Bouchard - 10 Sep 2003 14:04 GMT
> One of our boys, Turing, has been to the vet's recently.  He started to lose
> his balance and lost a LOT of weight suddenly.  We took him to the vet's
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>
> Maya

I've checked several sites and if anything, they say it's good for the rats.
There's even a study about avocado preventing liver damage in rats. On other
forums, some feed avocados as a regular treat, just make sure to remove the
pits as it is toxic.

For the weight loss... what you want to do is try to feed foods that are
high in protein but not high in fat. You could give tuna flakes, even
better, you could get what's called "nutrical"... it's a special malt like
paste and it's loaded with protein and good taste. It's to help sick cats
and dogs put on weight. It comes in a tube and you can spread it on a
cracker, banana...anything you rat will eat. You could also feed your rat a
high protein but low fat cat food.
Good luck,
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Pet-Rescue - 10 Sep 2003 15:22 GMT
Maya
: I asked her at the time if avocado is okay (which our rats will do anything
: for!) and she said yes.  The only problem is that I've just come back from
: seeing our regular vet (who specialises in small animals, including rats)
: and he said that you should never give rats (or any other rodent) avocado.
: He said it's really bad for their kidneys.  Has anyone else heard of this?
..

Off the top of my head, there is an agent/compound in avocado called 'persin'
and is said to be toxic to many animal species.  I used to feed my rodents a teeny
bit now and then but learnt not too long ago, I shouldn't.  I don't now and to be
quite honest, it's better to be safe than sorry, especially when there are so many
foods
that 'can' be fed to our small furries..if in doubt, leave it out.

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J&S Bouchard - 11 Sep 2003 12:08 GMT
> One of our boys, Turing, has been to the vet's recently.  He started to lose
> his balance and lost a LOT of weight suddenly.  We took him to the vet's
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>
> Maya

Here's what I found:

   In the #106/March 2001 issue of the Rat Report, Debbie Ducommun uses
avacado as the Treat of the Month. "A favorite with almost all rats is
avocado. Although high in fat, it is healthy fat, and a piece 3/4" square
can be given once a week."
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Pet-Rescue - 11 Sep 2003 12:42 GMT
J&S Bouchard
: Here's what I found:
:
:     In the #106/March 2001 issue of the Rat Report, Debbie Ducommun uses
: avacado as the Treat of the Month. "A favorite with almost all rats is
: avocado. Although high in fat, it is healthy fat, and a piece 3/4" square
: can be given once a week."
....

Here's some more information, whether correct or not or if infact it also relates
to rats, I do not know...the same author does state somewhere avocado should not
be given to mice:...

"Avocados contain a toxic component called persin, which has been shown to
produce cardiac tissue damage, respiratory distress and mammary gland damage
in a variety of animals--including horses, goats, sheep, dogs, cattle,
rabbits, fish and birds."

A bit later the whole article was sent to the list and here it is:

HOLD THE GUACAMOLE, POR FAVOR!
Thinking of giving Polly a little something extra with her cracker? While
there are a few foods that both humans and pets can enjoy, there are
others that, while perfectly palatable for people, can be dangerous to our
animal companions. The fruit of the avocado, for example, poses a threat
to a number of species. "Avocados contain a toxic component called
persin," explains Jill A. Richardson, DVM, of the ASPCA Animal Poison
Control Center (APCC), "which has been shown to produce cardiac tissue
damage, respiratory distress and mammary gland damage in a variety of
animals--including horses, goats, sheep, dogs, cattle, rabbits, fish and
birds."

Consider the case of the cockatiel who had been given some guacamole by
his owner. Within four hours of ingestion, the bird started behaving
strangely--puffing his feathers and acting uncomfortable--and got
progressively worse. The bird's owner brought him to an emergency clinic,
and the veterinarian there contacted the APCC. Says Richardson, "We gave
him recommendations on treating the animal--an oxygen cage and diuretics
to remove the fluid on the bird's lungs." The animal was hospitalized for
several days, but recovered. "And needless to say," adds Richardson,
"guacamole is NOT on the menu any longer!"

If you suspect that your animal companion has eaten avocado--or any other
potentially dangerous substance--call your veterinarian or the APCC's
emergency hotline at 1-888-4-ANI-HELP for round-the-clock telephone
assistance. For more information on poison prevention, visit
http://www.apcc.aspca.org.

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J&S Bouchard - 11 Sep 2003 13:34 GMT
> Here's some more information, whether correct or not or if infact it also relates
> to rats, I do not know...the same author does state somewhere avocado should not
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> Wendy
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YIKES!!! As for me, I would be cautious and not give any.
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Maya - 11 Sep 2003 21:04 GMT
> YIKES!!! As for me, I would be cautious and not give any.
>
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Yep, me too!

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