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New rats, first bite

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rabbit - 24 Apr 2006 06:39 GMT
The 4 rats that needed homes came this evening, very nice people, cute
rats. The 3 girls are standard ears, and smaller than my 2 dumbo girls.
The boy isn't much bigger than my girls, and with very limited space,
decided to keep him in my room until I can get him nuetered. He is
caged alone because he fought with his cagemates. I always bring my
girls to my bed for time out, and one got the scent of buck, and tried
to get over to see him. After I put them back I washed my hands, and
tried to coax him out to go play in the bathroom. That's when he
chomped me hard. He was probably still smelling my girls, even though I
had changed clothes. This living arangement is going to require so
thinking out. At least it bled profusely. I poured peroxide on it and
put on polysporin. I guess I've been initated.
Tracey - 24 Apr 2006 11:39 GMT
> The 4 rats that needed homes came this evening, very nice people, cute
> rats. The 3 girls are standard ears, and smaller than my 2 dumbo girls.
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> thinking out. At least it bled profusely. I poured peroxide on it and
> put on polysporin. I guess I've been initated.

CongRATS on your new additions :o)

It's very rare for rats to bite hard but when they do you certainly know
about it - yowch!  The little lad probably bit because everything is new and
strange and he is frightened, give him time to settle in and I'm sure he'll
calm down.

Tracey
rabbit - 24 Apr 2006 20:04 GMT
Thanks, I can't use that finger to type. The previous owner told me if
anyone ever needed his mighty man-berries removed, it's him., I had som
antibiotic i didn't take for a sinus-infection that i dicided was
allergy, so I started taking them last night. He almost bite through
the nail on the other side. They are cute, my dumbos ussually look
puzzled, but these regular rats look like they are listrning with those
up top ears.
Joanne - 24 Apr 2006 12:49 GMT
> The 4 rats that needed homes came this evening, very nice people, cute
> rats. The 3 girls are standard ears, and smaller than my 2 dumbo girls.
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> thinking out. At least it bled profusely. I poured peroxide on it and
> put on polysporin. I guess I've been initated.

Get him neutered asap. That will be best for him and for you. If he was
fighting with cage buddies, then he's an aggressive type fella. So be
careful when handling him, he's probably full of stress and this new
move has him even more scared, not to mention girlie smells. :)
It's truly wonderful of you to have taken these rats that needed homes!!!

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rabbit - 24 Apr 2006 20:14 GMT
Hi, how soon will he be unstressed from traveling? I had planned on him
adjusting before another stress, but his other mom said he is a very
agressive rat and had to be caged alone. His torpedoes have to go. I
didn't think about him being scared, but I think I will wear gloves.
She said he's the most highly testostroned rat she ever had. and I
guess his sisters are used to it, but mine are like "sexy guy in next
room!"  .Actually all the girls are pretty keyed up today. I tried to
get in to see Dr. today, going tomorrow, it's a very deep bite, or I'm
I being a wuss?
rabbit - 25 Apr 2006 07:01 GMT
Hi, I will definately be getting him nuetered, after talking nice to
him all day, and dropping food, treats,and  small toys through the top
of his cage, tonite I opened the cage door to get his food bowl to
clean and fill, he lunged at me and got a hold of my middle finger on
either side and didn't want to let go. Now I'm afraid of him. I had
tried to find a oven mitt but couldn't find it, and thought ,he's
probably used to me now. I'm not sure if even nuetering him will make
him sweet.
Tracey - 25 Apr 2006 10:20 GMT
> Hi, I will definately be getting him nuetered, after talking nice to
> him all day, and dropping food, treats,and  small toys through the top
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> probably used to me now. I'm not sure if even nuetering him will make
> him sweet.

I rescued a rat who had a terrible aggressive streak.  He bit me nastily
quite a few times, the last one needed stitches (still have the scar on my
thumb four years later!), so I took him to have his bits off.  The change in
him was unbelievable, he never once bit after castration, not even little
nips.  He settled right down and eventually turned into a slushy, mushy, lap
rat.  I totally recommend having yours neutered.

Tracey
OldGeezer - 25 Apr 2006 17:22 GMT
Oops...I accidentally replied to sender, so you've got mail too. Sorry.

Oh gawd...poor fella. I'm trying to find mention of how old he is in this
thread and it eludes me. How old is he? I won't try to suggest that
neutering isn't a good idea (especially if you have girls around), but that
rat was trying to establish a domain. It is scared ****less and needs to
feel like it has a safe place. When I got my two boys recently, I let them
hang out in their cage for a day, and then opened the door and let them come
out on their own (making all the usual kissy/clicky noises to entice them).
They jumped in and out a million times it seemed, exploring "the outside" a
couple inches at a time, eventually making their way to me, and after more
of the running back and forth to the cage a dozen or so more times, they
eventually started jumping on me etc... Took a while before they tolerated
being touched, and a couple weeks before I could pick them up without too
much struggle. They'll still avoid being picked up, but when they they've
climbed onto something they cant get down from, they welcome it. My boys
were 4 months old (so the guy said), and had never been handled, and were
absolutely terrified of me when I got them.

I've only been bitten badly once and gotten a few nasty nips, all from one
rat...a girl (Patty). She HATED my hand near her when she was in the cage.
Most hate it, though they will tolerate it. I was afraid of her after that
bad bite (prolly should have got stiches), and I think she sensed it...for
the next couple days I'd yank my hand away when she came to play. She never
bit me since, and was quite affectionate. My boys don't bite me when I do it
(yet), but Locke sure gets a "This sucks" look when I touch him when he's
laying down, so I don't do it anymore. I only give'em treats in the cage
(and this is after a couple weeks).

The fact that he didn't mangle your finger this time, that he just held onto
it is promising. Clearly this rat is confused about his place in the world
right now, but isn't so sure you're a danger anymore. I'm not saying "don't
chop off his nuts", but if you're not 100% sure, you might wanna give it a
few days (or weeks) and exercise alot of patience during the "getting to
know ya" phase, coz he's not gonna bond with you until he feels safe. I've
got a suggestion about the nipping if you wanna hear it, but using gloves to
handle him? I'd never do that in a million years. It's gonna take a while
before he trusts you hand enough to jump on it. Gloves are prolly gonna
scare the crap out of him too, coz gloves that are thick enough to block a
bite are gonna make for a rough ride when you clamp down. Male or female,
neutered or not, if they're still semi-wild, you shouldn't be picking them
up at all for a few days until they get used to the cage, get used to you.
Hopefully you can set the cage up so he can get in and out himself and has
limited access (cozy chair or couch + you) so when he's scared the only
place to run is the cage.

Now if you're concerned about him getting to the girls and getting them
preggers, than go ahead and get him neutered, but if you want to do it
because he's misbehavin, then you may be too impatient, wanting to take a
shortcut in taming an animal that may not have ever been properly
socialized. Sheesh! You women would prolly do it to your husbands if you
could get away with it ;o)

It could be there are some bad apples who need to be castrated. It could be
this poor guy's never gonna get the chance to prove he can handle his stones
coz things are moving too fast.

Just my two cents.
OldGeezer - 25 Apr 2006 18:45 GMT
Also, needless to say, your little buddy's gonna be a whole lot better off
with a cagemate to snuggle up to and feel safe with during sleeptimes.
They're not lone-wolf types. Plus, they're alot more courageous with a human
when another rat is within eyeshot...would have been nice if you could have
introduced two strange rats to the cage at the same time though...the
territory partnership would have gone alot smoother than if you throw
another male in there now. The sooner the better I'd say, unless you have
different cage.

Also, I noticed my boys fight alot, and I do mean alot, more roughly than my
girls did. No surprise there...they're boys. No bleeding on either of them
yet, and they're always nestled together when they sleep.

I measure my success in weeks, not days though. When a full month has passed
with these guys, I'm pretty sure they won't tense up when I grap them,
though I can grab them on an open floor now. Even after grabbing Locke and
missing (he escaped), he came right back and let me grab him...didn't like
it, but he actually purposely allowed me to do it. They no longer spaz out
when I move, like yours will for some time to come. They no longer fear my
hand, like yours will for some time to come. And best of all, after three
weeks, I can pick them up...always putting them right back down onto
something soft...and they no longer jump off (like yours will for some time)
but walk off.

Baby steps ;o)

> Oops...I accidentally replied to sender, so you've got mail too. Sorry.
>
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>
> Just my two cents.
rabbit - 26 Apr 2006 03:28 GMT
Yep, But I don't have any other boys. At this point, I can send him as
is with someone else who has a biter to someone who takes in problem
pets, he won't get nuetered,  or have him nuetered and at least give
him a chance to have cagemates. He could go in with the girls right?
He's been a puffy ball of hormonal rage most of his life, poor boy.
Tracey - 26 Apr 2006 10:11 GMT
> Oops...I accidentally replied to sender, so you've got mail too. Sorry.
>
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>
> Just my two cents.

I tried lots of different things for many weeks with my aggressive rat to
try and settle him down - mostly tips suggested by rat-savvy people here and
other things recommended on reliable websites like the RMCA, so castration
really was a last resort regards my rattie as nothing else worked.  He was
also an older rat, about 8-12 months when I rescued him too.

Hmmm... now that's a good idea for misbehaving husbands...;o)

Tracey
OldGeezer - 26 Apr 2006 15:48 GMT
Gad this is getting to be embarrassing! I keep hitting "Reply to sender"
instead of reply to group" for some reason. Sorry bout the e-mail.

Well it's good that you tried for weeks before turning to the last resort.
It just sounds like it's the first resort in this case, but if Rabbit
doesn't want to get another male, then I guess he'd be happier neutered and
socializing with the females...if that works out.

Thing is, even if he's less aggressive, if he's still semi-wild (nobody
spent time with him), he's still gonna be scared for a good while (I've
lived on a horse farm and grew up with every manner of animal, so I'm not
just basing this on my experience with rats). An unsocialized animal that
has matured is not "instant snuggle-woogums - just add kissies", no matter
what the animal. It takes time...more than a couple days. But if the
previous owners genuinely did devote as much time to him as their other rats
(and I don't know how tame they are), then it could be he's a genuine
problem male. I don't know what his circumstances were.

In this case though, sounds like it's not a bad idea if another male isn't
an option.

And I didn't mean to give anyone ideas Tracey...Don't you be stashing any
scissors in the night-table drawer young lady!
Tracey - 26 Apr 2006 16:34 GMT
> Gad this is getting to be embarrassing! I keep hitting "Reply to sender"
> instead of reply to group" for some reason. Sorry bout the e-mail.
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> And I didn't mean to give anyone ideas Tracey...Don't you be stashing any
> scissors in the night-table drawer young lady!

No probs bout the email!  Oh yes, I'd definitely try any other option first
with an aggressive animal, not just take him straight to have his nads off,
unless he was gonna be mixing with females of course, like Rabbit is
planning with her rat.

Hehe, no scissors just my prized kitchen knife (it's a whopper!) in my
bedside drawer ;o)

Tracey
rabbit - 27 Apr 2006 00:06 GMT
the other owners mailed me and told me that  this rat's daddy didn't
like women. He was okay with guys, but would attach women with no
provocation, they mailed me back and think it's maybe a genetic thing.
This rat was so agressive with his cagemates that he had to be caged
alone, so I don't want to get another male to be subjected to being
shredded, unless someone has a really huge rat they want to pass on.
After bite no. 3, this poor unhandle-able, lonely ball of hormonal rage
has me terrified. His sisters are great little busy bodies, and I sure
hope that when Mousy climbed up the side of his cage, a male has to
Mount a female right? Nah, I just don't think there was anyway anything
could have happened. I pryed her off his cage fast, I was just amazed
to see her race over there and do that. She has never seen a boy before
except her littermates. So I have 2 infected bites on 1 hand and 1 on
the other hand. Last time all I did was offer him a peice of popcorn,
which he ignored and went past it for the finger. Anyway, there is a
man with a biter who is going to take his rat to a woman in a little
town nearby who takes in problem pets, so he will get a new home and I
will not cut his nuts off, OK? How some little guy so full of studly
charm and cuteness be so intent on attacking the hand that feeds him
and would love to scritch and cuddle him. I'm sad it didn't work out,
but I don't hold it against him. and I'm on the right antibiotics now.
Don't know how to clean his cage.
NRen2k5 - 27 Apr 2006 08:56 GMT
> Gad this is getting to be embarrassing! I keep hitting "Reply to sender"
> instead of reply to group" for some reason. Sorry bout the e-mail.

Try Mozilla Thunderbird. One of the nice things about Thunderbird is
that on newsgroups, you don't have a "reply to sender" button - the
"Reply" button replies to the group, and replying to the sender directly
can only be done by right-clicking the message and choosing "Reply to
sender only".

-NRen2k5
Joanne - 25 Apr 2006 18:43 GMT
> Hi, I will definately be getting him nuetered, after talking nice to
> him all day, and dropping food, treats,and  small toys through the top
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> probably used to me now. I'm not sure if even nuetering him will make
> him sweet.

Neutering him will help him no matter what. It removes his stress cause
by his hormones. It will help calm him down and at least allow him to
live with his girls.
In the meantime, keep your wounds clean and if you start to swell up,
then it's time to see the doctor.

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rabbit - 26 Apr 2006 03:33 GMT
Hi, yeah, to be fair to him, I think he would be happier if I keep and
nueter him, like I replied just now to Geezer, I went to Dr today and
it is already infected, even though I used peroxide, polysporin, epsom
salt-soaking and zithromax. Dr. gave me a different antibiotic. My
immune system is poor due to bone marrow damage. I do apreciate all the
feedback, helps me tons, hard to think some things out alone. Thanks,
rabbit - 29 Apr 2006 02:23 GMT
Hi all, I sent Farkle to the lady in the nearby town who takes in
problem pets. He went with a guy who was taking her his biter, who
looked lots like Farkle. She emailed me that he has already bit her
through the fingernail. I miss him a litle, but 5 girl ratties are
great.
 
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