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Introducing Rats - Advice Needed

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amytrip - 22 Nov 2006 00:08 GMT
Hi

I have a new question...

One of our rats, Bella, is nearing the end of her life.  She is quite
old and we sense it coming. When she passes on, I want to know what to
do about her current companion, Foebe.  Foebe has only ever lived with
Bella.  I adopted Bella and Foebe together this past summer and the
former owner explained to me their history:

Bella has been living with Foebe for a little over a year.  Prior to
that, Bella lived with another rat, but, that rat passed away, which is
when Foebe came into the picture.  Bella took well to Foebe and vice
versa, so they became cagemates.

My question is this:  I have never had to introduce a rat from an
established pair to a new rat before.  Do I try and see if Foebe will
live harmoniously with one of my other current female pairs?  Do I go
out and adopt a new female and bring her home for Foebe?  I can't
imagine Foebe living out her life alone - she is only a little over a
year old and has plenty of good times ahead of her.  I know she needs a
new friend but am unsure what is the best way to make her happy.  Who
will be her new friend(s)?

My other female pairs have been together for eons.  I don't know how
they would take to Foebe or not.  All my females used to have free roam
time together but I noticed they would squabble a bit - mild, nothing
big, but nonetheless, I didn't like it so I have limited their free
roam time to pairs only for a loooong time now.  Each of my female
pairs has a different vibe, of course, as they're all different.  I do
have one pair that is extremely friendly and mellow but I still don't
know how they would take to Foebe - or for that matter - vice versa.
Foebe has to like it too.

Any ideas on what do to?  I have read scads about it online but not
having experienced it myself yet, I thought I would ask you guys
because many of you have done it.  Do I try with my currents or get
another new rat?
Mark Gerkey - 22 Nov 2006 04:09 GMT
Well I know that introducing a new baby rat to a older rat is a bit easer that
to established paires. The baby will submit to the older rat faster and let
things settle as to who is the boss.
But that being said your mellow pair might just love to have a third. I can
only say you need to deside if you want a new baby or keep to what you have.
Most of the time I keep thinking of the new babies as they are so fun.
Mark

>Hi
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>because many of you have done it.  Do I try with my currents or get
>another new rat?

Mark G.
Of the Royal Estates
and "Pagan God of Food"
amytrip - 22 Nov 2006 05:00 GMT
thanks for the advice about bringing in a new baby...makes sense what
you said about submissiveness, i didn't even think of it.  and baby
rats are so cute....and of course, i'll take any excuse i can to take
in a new rat LOL :)

i live in Ontario, Canada and instead of buying a baby from the local
pet store (which is a bit of a horror zone , their rats are often ill,
etc.) i will have to try and find a local breeder, someone good when
the time comes.

i'll want to see someone who can ensure i will get a healthy, sociable
baby female to introduce to Foebe.  if anyone here on here is in
Ontario (Northern) and knows where i can start looking when the time
comes, let me know.  Bella has not passed on but we wouldn't be
surprised if it was before Christmas as her signs of old age etc. are
very prevalent.

> Well I know that introducing a new baby rat to a older rat is a bit easer that
> to established paires. The baby will submit to the older rat faster and let
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> Of the Royal Estates
> and "Pagan God of Food"
Michael Rozdoba - 22 Nov 2006 10:39 GMT
> Well I know that introducing a new baby rat to a older rat is a bit easer that
> to established paires. The baby will submit to the older rat faster and let
> things settle as to who is the boss.
>  But that being said your mellow pair might just love to have a third. I can
> only say you need to deside if you want a new baby or keep to what you have.
> Most of the time I keep thinking of the new babies as they are so fun.

I'd only add that we tend to introduce young rats in pairs - sisters if
possible - as that ensures they have someone of the same age & energy to
socialise with.

Have you definitely decided to wait until Foebe is alone before
introducing any new rat/s?

It might be better to make the intros sooner for Foebe, but then I can
see why you'd want to avoid stressing Bella. Not sure what I'd do there.

We keep a single colony of six to eight rats. I think they're probably
happiest with a minimum of three or four, as it allows them to establish
a proper hierarchy. We're at six atm, but will probably intro another
pair around January - we do this roughly every six to eight months, to
keep a wide range of ages. Barring multiple unexpected deaths it also
keeps the colony pretty stable & minimises trauma to them from losses.

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Michael
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Joanne - 22 Nov 2006 20:00 GMT
> Hi
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> because many of you have done it.  Do I try with my currents or get
> another new rat?

Hi Amy,
If I was in your situation, I would probably intro Foebe to one of the
existing pairs.
Where exactly in Norther Ontario are you?
Unfortunately, there are no good breeders in Ontario. Many call
themselves breeders but in reality they are just backyard breeders just
like those for puppy mills. I would recommend asking your local exotic
vet or checking out the shelters.
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Joanne
Owned by 20 rats.
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rat.charmer - 23 Nov 2006 18:59 GMT
Wow...Another northern ontarian?  At this rate we'll soon be able to
start up our own forum ;)
Joanne - 23 Nov 2006 19:45 GMT
> Wow...Another northern ontarian?  At this rate we'll soon be able to
> start up our own forum ;)

And our rats will take over the world... muahahaha. :)

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Joanne
Owned by 20 rats.
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amytrip - 24 Nov 2006 07:49 GMT
We should all meet up for some sort of Rat Fest or Critter Fest, not
just for our city but make it something for all of Northern Ontario and
see who comes.

> > Wow...Another northern ontarian?  At this rate we'll soon be able to
> > start up our own forum ;)
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> ~Ignorance is not innocence but sin. *Robert Browning*
amytrip - 24 Nov 2006 07:56 GMT
We should all meet up for some sort of Rat Fest or Critter Fest, not
just for our city but make it something for all of Northern Ontario and
see who comes.

> > Wow...Another northern ontarian?  At this rate we'll soon be able to
> > start up our own forum ;)
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> ~Ignorance is not innocence but sin. *Robert Browning*
 
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