Room is starting to smell of rat wee
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Pete_O - 27 Sep 2003 23:26 GMT I've cleaned the full cage (on Wednesday) since getting them (last Saturday) and do spot cleaning daily and from handling the rats I've determined it's they who are smelling my room out with their wee stained coats. Little buggers - my mother has started to verbally note the smell in my room. I promised her they were clean animals and she's yet to see evidence of this what with the poo's around the outside of the cage and the smell of my room. :O
Now... obviously they need a proper bath.
How often do you folks bathe your rats and how?
I assume it's because they're 9 weeks old, was kept in a cage with 2 littlers and haven't been bathed at all yet.
Now... if you've any personal suggestions or recommendations on how I go about this it would help. I'd also love to hear some of your own experiences of this! I imagine the majojrity have a quirky story or two to tell! :o)
Thanks,
Pete
Graeme - 28 Sep 2003 12:04 GMT > I've cleaned the full cage (on Wednesday) since getting them (last > Saturday) and do spot cleaning daily and from handling the rats I've [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > yet to see evidence of this what with the poo's around the outside of > the cage and the smell of my room. :O What litter/bedding do you use in the cage? I use CareFresh and also a product called "Safe Bed" which is like a stripped J-cloth and is white in color (I am from the UK so you should be able to get both from your local pet shop). My three sleep on the soft bedding and do there business on the CareFresh. But they do tend to also wee quite a bit on the bedding.
So once every few days I clean the CareFresh and every day I replace the Safe Bed. Because of that, they always sleep in clean bedding, which does result in cleaner smalling rats. Also depending on the platforms you have in the cage, you may have to wipe them down every few days.
> Now... obviously they need a proper bath. > > How often do you folks bathe your rats and how? Personally I have never bathed a rat. I have found there to be a no need in my case.
Graeme
Pete_O - 28 Sep 2003 13:44 GMT >> I've cleaned the full cage (on Wednesday) since getting them (last >> Saturday) and do spot cleaning daily and from handling the rats I've [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Graeme Hi Graeme,
I also use Carefresh and some cloth-type bedding, but they don't use the bedding at all. It's either in the hammock they go or they just snuggle on the top floor.
I may aswell not use bedding at all... I've give the hammock a wash as it smelt lightly of wee but I can't see them grooming the smell out of themselves...... or do they?
It's real noticeble when you get close to the cage - i've been wiping the floor tiles every few days since I got them on Saturday.
Im bamboozled on how to get rid of the smell off them without bathing and then ensuring their hammock is washed regulary.
Pete
Graeme - 28 Sep 2003 13:54 GMT > I also use Carefresh and some cloth-type bedding, but they don't use > the bedding at all. It's either in the hammock they go or they just > snuggle on the top floor. Do they have a hut or covered area for them to sleep in? Mine have a hut/house on the bottom floor which they all go into to sleep, and the first one in also drags in the bedding so they can sleep on it.
> I may aswell not use bedding at all... I've give the hammock a wash as > it smelt lightly of wee but I can't see them grooming the smell out of > themselves...... or do they? Keep giving them the bedding in an area of the cage, they may soon learn to use it. Maybe they are not used to it, so they need some time. But really you shouldn't need to give them a bath often, if ever at all, unless of course they managed to get themselves into a real mess :-)
The room they are in, what kind of air flow does it have? Is it a closed room? Mine live in our front room, so there is always fresh air around from when we open the front etc
Although keeping rats in the front room is a sure way to make no friends/family come around, as everyone seems to have a thing about rats even if they are in a cage ;-)
Graeme
> It's real noticeble when you get close to the cage - i've been wiping > the floor tiles every few days since I got them on Saturday. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pete Pete_O - 28 Sep 2003 15:30 GMT >Keep giving them the bedding in an area of the cage, they may soon learn to >use it. Maybe they are not used to it, so they need some time. But really [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >friends/family come around, as everyone seems to have a thing about rats >even if they are in a cage ;-) Hehe, the cage is kept in my [closed] bedroom and I don't think they used bedding before coming to me, so I'll keep trying - I have a shoebox with a few holes with the bedding around but they don't drag it in.. they just block up one of the holes with it. :o)
They mostly sleep on the top altho sometimes one of them will sleep below in the box, though still not taking advantage of the bedding.
Their coats are noticebly muckier then last week.
Pete
Sue Schultz - 29 Sep 2003 04:14 GMT Have you tried litter training them? I use a "ferret" type corner litter pan with non-clumpable litter. That in itself has a nice smell...you can get the kind with bactrial control, immediate odor control, long lasting odor control etc. Then I clean the litter everyday. NOW, my boys use it more for pee than poop....but the girls are really good about using it much more so then the boys..... you said your ratties are "muckier" this week then last? what do you mean? they are getting smellier, dirtier? Do you see them grooming eachother??? Hang in there, you'll find something that works......Also, are you in a humid area? I've noticed a BIG change in smell when it's humid versus when it's dry.. Sue
> >Keep giving them the bedding in an area of the cage, they may soon learn to > >use it. Maybe they are not used to it, so they need some time. But really [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Pete J&S Bouchard - 29 Sep 2003 20:58 GMT > Have you tried litter training them? I use a "ferret" type corner litter > pan with non-clumpable litter. That in itself has a nice smell...you can [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it's dry.. > Sue I've also noticed that my boys smell so much more when it is very hot outside.
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paghat - 28 Sep 2003 20:24 GMT [I posted this yesterday, but accidentally to the wrong ng!]:
Just got back from the rat exhibition near Port Orchard, Washington. Very few people attending, mainly it was a fun party for the exhibitors, but if they'd hoped the public would come, I don't think the public even knew about it. Some very cute ratties of course; all looked healthy; a very few unusual colors such as cinnamons & lavender smoke, but mostly of course white, black, and grey. Lots of Dumbos, a few naked sphynxes & manxes, & one exhibition of ugly-a.s "patches" rats which lose their hair in mangy patches -- a few years ago these would've been declared the result of poor breeding practices & a serious error, but now unfortunately they are recognized as a breed. Exhibitors mostly teenage girls, & middle aged moms. Hardly any kids. One of the few "outsiders" to pay the entry fee had a toddler whose finger was bitten within thirty seconds inside the door -- rat in wire cage sitting on floor inviting tiny fingers to poke in -- so that kid screamed for the next six minutes, & the organizers were lucky a concerned & angry-looking father didn't threaten to sue; a journey to a rat exhibit should not be such a risk of a very bad exprience. For a measily $2 though there are an awful lot of things that cost a great deal more for a lot less reward. It's at that Stokes auction barn if anyone sees this who is close enough to chug on down immediately.
-paghat
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J&S Bouchard - 28 Sep 2003 21:58 GMT > [I posted this yesterday, but accidentally to the wrong ng!]: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > -paghat Are you talking about balding rats? Is this a normal thing for some rats to lose some fur and still be perfectly healthy?
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paghat - 28 Sep 2003 23:48 GMT > Are you talking about balding rats? Is this a normal thing for some rats to > lose some fur and still be perfectly healthy? Poorly bred rex rats frequently are bald at the nape, but it grows in eventually, then falls out again. More recently there have been growing numbers of rats with "moving bald spots" -- losing their fur in small chunks all one side, say, which grows back, then they lose all their fur at their nape, which grows back, then they loose all the fur near their rump, or their other side & belly. These shifting bald spots are evidence of genetic mishap & in the past were culled from breeding stocks immediately. But they are now at the beginning of gaining recognition as a special breed of rat called "Patches" or "Patchwork" rats, also called semi-hairless double-rex, patchwork rex, or patchwork hairless, & can have all the color variants otherwise present in rats, for Patches Berkshire, Patches Himalayan, Patches Agouti, and so on.
There have been "slow to accept" responses to special breeds in the past. The British clubs especially deplore sphynx & manx rats, and when Dumbos first appeared, the UK rat fanatics promoted the idea that these rats were deaf & deformed, until truth won out against baseless prejudice. In this newgroup about a year ago was a long thread of people disgusted by "waltzing mice," a special breed that dates back to medieval China with deformed spine, upturned heads, & nervous disposition. I've rarely ever had the negative feelings some have toward odd strains or new unproven strains, which usually gain acceptance in time only if the given strain achieves any popularity -- the wild popularity of Dumbos meant prejudice against them had to vanish; the comparatively small popularity of hairless sphynxes means some prejudice can linger. Mostly I think these are kneejerk reactions against perfectly reasonable pets.
But I'm just not convinced that "Patchwork" as a breed should have even as much recognition as it has now. It's the first "fancy" type I've found myself taking such exception to, as even IF they are otherwise healthy & pass on no other genetic faults, there's really nothing attractive about a look which comes closest to resembling severe mange disease.
-paghat
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J&S Bouchard - 29 Sep 2003 01:00 GMT > > Are you talking about balding rats? Is this a normal thing for some rats to > > lose some fur and still be perfectly healthy? [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > -paghat Ah yes... double rex... my mom has two of those. Catin and Jack are so sweet. They have fuzz for hair but I have not seen it fall out and grow back. Those two rats are so gentle and loveable. They have no "extra" illness whatsoever as of yet. (knock on wood) A while back Jack did get respiratory illness but that was quickly remedied with zithromax. He is wonderful today. Catin and Jack could just sit around on you for hours, letting you pet them and loves treats... I could just go on and on...
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Watcher - 29 Sep 2003 00:55 GMT LOL ... funny you should mention the 'patchwork' rats -- I just finished reading the book by Debbie Ducommun about rats (brushing up on care etc. -- two boys joining the household) -- and she mentioned them! Neither I nor my boyfriend, who is a biologist/zoologist, could understand why anyone would want to breed an animal whose genotype is expressed not as 'lacking' a coat, or 'having' coat of a certain type, or even a coat that is 'shed and replaced' seasonally, but a coat that grows in on some body part... a little... and then falls out... and then grows a bit somewhere else and falls out again. It simply sounds like the animal cannot grow a healthy coat. I have never seen one of these rats, and I'm sure there are many that are wonderful pets, but I truly have to wonder whether this sort of coat is genetically associated with other deficiencies. Anyone know how long this variety of rat has been around?
I'm so envious about the show, though! Wish there was one near us. The coast seems to be where all the show action is, though! Well, at least we make up for a lack of rodent/small animal shows by having a huge abundance of horse shows here!
Y.
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> [I posted this yesterday, but accidentally to the wrong ng!]: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" > See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/
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