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Room is starting to smell of rat wee

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Pete_O - 27 Sep 2003 23:26 GMT
I've cleaned the full cage (on Wednesday) since getting them (last
Saturday) and do spot cleaning daily and from handling the rats I've
determined it's they who are smelling my room out with their wee
stained coats. Little buggers - my mother has started to verbally note
the smell in my room. I promised her they were clean animals and she's
yet to see evidence of this what with the poo's around the outside of
the cage and the smell of my room. :O

Now... obviously they need a proper bath.

How often do you folks bathe your rats and how?

I assume it's because they're 9 weeks old, was kept in a cage with 2
littlers and haven't been bathed at all yet.

Now... if you've any personal suggestions or recommendations on how I
go about this it would help. I'd also love to hear some of your own
experiences of this! I imagine the majojrity have a quirky story or
two to tell! :o)

Thanks,

Pete
Graeme - 28 Sep 2003 12:04 GMT
> I've cleaned the full cage (on Wednesday) since getting them (last
> Saturday) and do spot cleaning daily and from handling the rats I've
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> yet to see evidence of this what with the poo's around the outside of
> the cage and the smell of my room. :O

What litter/bedding do you use in the cage?  I use CareFresh and also a
product called "Safe Bed" which is like a stripped J-cloth and is white in
color (I am from the UK so you should be able to get both from your local
pet shop).  My three sleep on the soft bedding and do there business on the
CareFresh.  But they do tend to also wee quite a bit on the bedding.

So once every few days I clean the CareFresh and every day I replace the
Safe Bed.  Because of that, they always sleep in clean bedding, which does
result in cleaner smalling rats.  Also depending on the platforms you have
in the cage, you may have to wipe them down every few days.

> Now... obviously they need a proper bath.
>
> How often do you folks bathe your rats and how?

Personally I have never bathed a rat.  I have found there to be a no need in
my case.

Graeme
Pete_O - 28 Sep 2003 13:44 GMT
>> I've cleaned the full cage (on Wednesday) since getting them (last
>> Saturday) and do spot cleaning daily and from handling the rats I've
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>
>Graeme

Hi Graeme,

I also use Carefresh and some cloth-type bedding, but they don't use
the bedding at all. It's either in the hammock they go or they just
snuggle on the top floor.

I may aswell not use bedding at all... I've give the hammock a wash as
it smelt lightly of wee but I can't see them grooming the smell out of
themselves...... or do they?

It's real noticeble when you get close to the cage - i've been wiping
the floor tiles every few days since I got them on Saturday.

Im bamboozled on how to get rid of the smell off them without bathing
and then ensuring their hammock is washed regulary.

Pete
Graeme - 28 Sep 2003 13:54 GMT
> I also use Carefresh and some cloth-type bedding, but they don't use
> the bedding at all. It's either in the hammock they go or they just
> snuggle on the top floor.

Do they have a hut or covered area for them to sleep in?  Mine have a
hut/house on the bottom floor which they all go into to sleep, and the first
one in also drags in the bedding so they can sleep on it.

> I may aswell not use bedding at all... I've give the hammock a wash as
> it smelt lightly of wee but I can't see them grooming the smell out of
> themselves...... or do they?

Keep giving them the bedding in an area of the cage, they may soon learn to
use it.  Maybe they are not used to it, so they need some time.  But really
you shouldn't need to give them a bath often, if ever at all, unless of
course they managed to get themselves into a real mess :-)

The room they are in, what kind of air flow does it have?  Is it a closed
room?  Mine live in our front room, so there is always fresh air around from
when we open the front etc

Although keeping rats in the front room is a sure way to make no
friends/family come around, as everyone seems to have a thing about rats
even if they are in a cage ;-)

Graeme

> It's real noticeble when you get close to the cage - i've been wiping
> the floor tiles every few days since I got them on Saturday.
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>
> Pete
Pete_O - 28 Sep 2003 15:30 GMT
>Keep giving them the bedding in an area of the cage, they may soon learn to
>use it.  Maybe they are not used to it, so they need some time.  But really
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>friends/family come around, as everyone seems to have a thing about rats
>even if they are in a cage ;-)

Hehe, the cage is kept in my [closed] bedroom and I don't think they
used bedding before coming to me, so I'll keep trying - I have a
shoebox with a few holes with the bedding around but they don't drag
it in.. they just block up one of the holes with it. :o)

They mostly sleep on the top altho sometimes one of them will sleep
below in the box, though still not taking advantage of the bedding.

Their coats are noticebly muckier then last week.

Pete
Sue Schultz - 29 Sep 2003 04:14 GMT
Have you tried litter training them?  I use a "ferret" type corner litter
pan with non-clumpable litter.  That in itself has a nice smell...you can
get the kind with bactrial control, immediate odor control, long lasting
odor control etc.  Then I clean the litter everyday.  NOW, my boys use it
more for pee than poop....but the girls are really good about using it much
more so then the boys.....
you said your ratties are "muckier" this week then last?  what do you mean?
they are getting smellier, dirtier?  Do you see them grooming eachother???
Hang in there, you'll find something that works......Also, are you in a
humid area?  I've noticed a BIG change in smell when it's humid versus when
it's dry..
Sue

> >Keep giving them the bedding in an area of the cage, they may soon learn to
> >use it.  Maybe they are not used to it, so they need some time.  But really
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>
> Pete
J&S Bouchard - 29 Sep 2003 20:58 GMT
> Have you tried litter training them?  I use a "ferret" type corner litter
> pan with non-clumpable litter.  That in itself has a nice smell...you can
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> it's dry..
> Sue

I've also noticed that my boys smell so much more when it is very hot
outside.
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paghat - 28 Sep 2003 20:24 GMT
[I posted this yesterday, but accidentally to the wrong ng!]:

Just got back from the rat exhibition near Port Orchard, Washington. Very
few people attending, mainly it was a fun party for the exhibitors, but if
they'd hoped the public would come, I don't think the public even knew
about it. Some very cute ratties of course; all looked healthy; a very few
unusual colors such as cinnamons & lavender smoke, but mostly of course
white, black, and grey. Lots of Dumbos, a few naked sphynxes & manxes, &
one exhibition of ugly-a.s "patches" rats which lose their hair in mangy
patches -- a few years ago these would've been declared the result of poor
breeding practices & a serious error, but now unfortunately they are
recognized as a breed. Exhibitors mostly teenage girls, & middle aged
moms. Hardly any kids. One of the few "outsiders" to pay the entry fee had
a toddler whose finger was bitten within thirty seconds inside the door --
rat in wire cage sitting on floor inviting tiny fingers to poke in -- so
that kid screamed for the next six minutes, & the organizers were lucky a
concerned & angry-looking father didn't threaten to sue; a journey to a
rat exhibit should not be such a risk of a very bad exprience. For a
measily $2 though there are an awful lot of things that cost a great deal
more for a lot less reward. It's at that Stokes auction barn if anyone
sees this who is close enough to chug on down immediately.

-paghat

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J&S Bouchard - 28 Sep 2003 21:58 GMT
> [I posted this yesterday, but accidentally to the wrong ng!]:
>
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> -paghat

Are you talking about balding rats? Is this a normal thing for some rats to
lose some fur and still be perfectly healthy?
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paghat - 28 Sep 2003 23:48 GMT
> Are you talking about balding rats? Is this a normal thing for some rats to
> lose some fur and still be perfectly healthy?

Poorly bred rex rats frequently are bald at the nape, but it grows in
eventually, then falls out again. More recently there have been growing
numbers of rats with "moving bald spots" -- losing their fur in small
chunks all one side, say, which grows back, then they lose all their fur
at their nape, which grows back, then they loose all the fur near their
rump, or their other side & belly. These shifting bald spots are evidence
of genetic mishap & in the past were culled from breeding stocks
immediately. But they are now at the beginning of gaining recognition as a
special breed of rat called "Patches" or "Patchwork" rats, also called
semi-hairless double-rex, patchwork rex, or patchwork hairless, & can have
all the color variants otherwise present in rats, for Patches Berkshire,
Patches Himalayan, Patches Agouti, and so on.

There have been "slow to accept" responses to special breeds in the past.
The British clubs especially deplore sphynx & manx rats, and when Dumbos
first appeared, the UK rat fanatics promoted the idea that these rats were
deaf & deformed, until truth won out against baseless prejudice. In this
newgroup about a year ago was a long thread of people disgusted by
"waltzing mice," a special breed that dates back to medieval China with
deformed spine, upturned heads, & nervous disposition. I've rarely ever
had the negative feelings some have toward odd strains or new unproven
strains, which usually gain acceptance in time only if the given strain
achieves any popularity -- the wild popularity of Dumbos meant prejudice
against them had to vanish; the comparatively small popularity of hairless
sphynxes means some prejudice can linger.  Mostly I think these are
kneejerk reactions against perfectly reasonable pets.

But I'm just not convinced that "Patchwork" as a breed should have even as
much recognition as it has now.  It's the first "fancy" type I've found
myself taking  such exception to, as even IF they are otherwise healthy &
pass on no other genetic faults, there's really nothing attractive about a
look which comes closest to resembling severe mange disease.

-paghat

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J&S Bouchard - 29 Sep 2003 01:00 GMT
> > Are you talking about balding rats? Is this a normal thing for some rats to
> > lose some fur and still be perfectly healthy?
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>
> -paghat

Ah yes... double rex... my mom has two of those. Catin and Jack are so
sweet. They have  fuzz for hair but I have not seen it fall out and grow
back. Those two rats are so gentle and loveable. They have no "extra"
illness whatsoever as of yet. (knock on wood)
A while back Jack did get respiratory illness but that was quickly remedied
with zithromax. He is wonderful today. Catin and Jack could just sit around
on you for hours, letting you pet them and loves treats... I could just go
on and on...
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Watcher - 29 Sep 2003 00:55 GMT
LOL ... funny you should mention the 'patchwork' rats -- I just finished
reading the book by Debbie Ducommun about rats (brushing up on care etc. --
two boys joining the household) -- and she mentioned them!  Neither I nor my
boyfriend, who is a biologist/zoologist, could understand why anyone would
want to breed an animal whose genotype is expressed not as 'lacking' a coat,
or 'having' coat of a certain type, or even a coat that is 'shed and
replaced' seasonally, but a coat that grows in on some body part... a
little... and then falls out... and then grows a bit somewhere else and
falls out again.  It simply sounds like the animal cannot grow a healthy
coat.  I have never seen one of these rats, and I'm sure there are many that
are wonderful pets, but I truly have to wonder whether this sort of coat is
genetically associated with other deficiencies.  Anyone know how long this
variety of rat has been around?

I'm so envious about the show, though!  Wish there was one near us.  The
coast seems to be where all the show action is, though!  Well, at least we
make up for a lack of rodent/small animal shows by having a huge abundance
of horse shows here!

Y.

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Lucat bene si ergo
Fortibus es inaero
O nobil demis trux
Sum es causen summit dux
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> [I posted this yesterday, but accidentally to the wrong ng!]:
>
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>    -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
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