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Pete_O - 28 Sep 2003 17:04 GMT
I knew it. I fuckin' knew it... I just had a close-up of Timmy and he
has black moving dots on his coat. :o(

Damnit... I assume they've had these ever since I got them as they've
seemed to me to be over scratching, nibbling themselves etc right from
the word go.

I'm going to do a bit of research now... feel free to fire any wisom
to me.

Thanks,

Pete.
Derek Simon - 28 Sep 2003 21:05 GMT
> I knew it. I fuckin' knew it... I just had a close-up of Timmy and he
> has black moving dots on his coat. :o(
> Damnit...

No need to swear. :-)
Pete_O - 28 Sep 2003 22:09 GMT
>> I knew it. I fuckin' knew it... I just had a close-up of Timmy and he
>> has black moving dots on his coat. :o(
>> Damnit...
>
>No need to swear. :-)

Oh yes there is. ;o)

Any ideas Derek?

Pete
J&S Bouchard - 28 Sep 2003 21:51 GMT
> I knew it. I fuckin' knew it... I just had a close-up of Timmy and he
> has black moving dots on his coat. :o(
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>
> Pete.

Black moving dots?
Mites, you can't see... lice is a light brown. Do they have nits on their
fur?
Black... I wonder if it could be fleas?
I know it's really "icky" finding out your pets have bugs... but don't
despair, it is easily treated.

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Pete_O - 28 Sep 2003 22:18 GMT
>> I knew it. I fuckin' knew it... I just had a close-up of Timmy and he
>> has black moving dots on his coat. :o(
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>fur?
>Black... I wonder if it could be fleas?

I was in touch with the breeder the day after I got them about the
over scratching/nibbling as I saw it and he mentioned the mother had 1
flea bite on her and suggested there could be a rogue flea about...
well it seems my boys have them.

I can't seem to find much about getting rid of fleas on the internet
with rats, but lots of information on mites and lice.

I'm a bit stuck as to what do next really... anyone had experience
with fleas?

Thanks,

Pete
J&S Bouchard - 28 Sep 2003 22:58 GMT
> I was in touch with the breeder the day after I got them about the
> over scratching/nibbling as I saw it and he mentioned the mother had 1
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>
> Pete

Hi Pete, your best bet would be a trip to the vet. And then you have do a
massive house cleaning... vacuuming all corner and baseboards all carpeted
area... they could be everywhere.
Do not use anything over the counter for fleas, it is usually not for rats
especially since they are so young.
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Pete_O - 28 Sep 2003 23:33 GMT
>Hi Pete, your best bet would be a trip to the vet. And then you have do a
>massive house cleaning... vacuuming all corner and baseboards all carpeted
>area... they could be everywhere.
>Do not use anything over the counter for fleas, it is usually not for rats
>especially since they are so young.

Oh dear. So soon and young and a trip to the vets already for fleas.
This can't be good on them. :o(

Luckily there's a few not too far away so I'll call round tomorrow to
see which are best for my boys.

Should I be looking for one that recommends Ivermecin, but not
injection?

I can't wait to tell my mother about my clean rats.

Thanks Jo,

Pete
paghat - 29 Sep 2003 00:04 GMT
Fleas & mites migrate in & out of cages, & eggs can be dropped anywhere to
hatch into flea larvae. It is often sufficient to get a vapona pest strip
& hang one in any room where a fleat-bitten rat has been. The strip is
active for a month, so it kills the immediate population of fleas or
mites. As dropped eggs hatch in the weeks that follow, the larvae are
killed before they turn into fleas & look for a host.

Read the warnings on the pest strip carefully. It is one of the safest
methods of controlling external pet parasites & insects, certainly safer
than any contact pesticide or oral medication. But it is dangerously toxic
if it comes in contact with skin, or is eaten by a pet. The strips should
be hung where no accidental contact is possible. You'll find them in the
pesticide sections of most garden or home improvement centers.

-paghat the ratgirl

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Pete_O - 29 Sep 2003 00:37 GMT
>Fleas & mites migrate in & out of cages, & eggs can be dropped anywhere to
>hatch into flea larvae. It is often sufficient to get a vapona pest strip
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>
>-paghat the ratgirl

Oooohh thanks for this! I live right near a garden center.

Are you saying I could just hang one of these up with no other
treatment for my boys?

This is intersting me a lot...

Have you had good personal results with this method Pag?

Thanks, all this is building my knowledge no end.

Pete
paghat - 29 Sep 2003 01:39 GMT
> >Fleas & mites migrate in & out of cages, & eggs can be dropped anywhere to
> >hatch into flea larvae. It is often sufficient to get a vapona pest strip
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Are you saying I could just hang one of these up with no other
> treatment for my boys?

Usually, yes, though if skin irritation or evidence of parasites continues
past a week, you should go to a vet who'll give you an oral medication
that will get rid of mites or fleas.

> This is intersting me a lot...
>
> Have you had good personal results with this method Pag?

It is a standard remedy among many breeders of many species of animals, &
safe enough if used strictly within the directions that it is used as a
preventative so there'll never be fleas in a room or breeding shed ever.
It is essentially the exact same product you buy as a "cat & dog flea
collar."

> Thanks, all this is building my knowledge no end.
>
> Pete

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J&S Bouchard - 29 Sep 2003 01:43 GMT
> Usually, yes, though if skin irritation or evidence of parasites continues
> past a week, you should go to a vet who'll give you an oral medication
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> It is essentially the exact same product you buy as a "cat & dog flea
> collar."

Hi Paghat, so there's no need to go nuts cleaning your home? How should you
hang it? high up or close to cages?
Something I'll have to look into for sure...
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paghat - 29 Sep 2003 04:09 GMT
> > Usually, yes, though if skin irritation or evidence of parasites continues
> > past a week, you should go to a vet who'll give you an oral medication
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> hang it? high up or close to cages?
> Something I'll have to look into for sure...

Read all the warnings & instructions on the label. It has to be nowhere
near enough a cage that it might get licked or chewed or reached even by
an escapee. It is usually hung from a hook inside a pierced cardboard
container so that the vapona strip need not be directly handled. It will
state the cubic feet on the packaging & is different for different brands;
a really big room might need two on opposite sides of the room.

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