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Pet Forum / Mammals / Rats / January 2007Ping Bevluvsrats re Mycoplex dosage
We've had our fair share of surgeries for tumour removal recently, almost all with complications after the fuzzy butts have ripped their own stitches out come what may. So, I figure it can't hurt to supplement such treatment in the future with Mycoplex/Shark Cartilage, in the hope this might reduce the frequency of subsequent surgery (& I have followed all the discussions herein on this topic, so know the efficacy is moot). We'll also use the products to dose rats who we've found to have very small tumours which we'd ordinarily leave for a short period of observation (a week or two), during this period. In other words, we're not going to use this in place of existing treatment, but rather as a supplement. Given there are no major negative effects, hopefully this means at the very worst the only thing we lose is a little cash. Back in June 2005, Bevluvsrats wrote: > Dosages are as follows: > > Mycoplex: > Initially, for the first two weeks of treatment to give a boost, one > quarter of a tablet should be given twice a day, reducing to one > quarter or one fifth of a tablet once a day for the life of the tumour > or rat. > > Maxigen: > > Should be given alongside the Mycoplex, at a dose of one seventh of a > 740mg capsule once a day. > > Once the tumour has died, the Maxigen can be stopped completely, and > the dosage of Mycoplex can be reduced to a maintenance dose of one > tenth of a tablet once a day. If the tumour has been surgically > removed, this is also the dose of Mycoplex to help prevent regrowth. If > regrowth or new growth in a different area occurs, then the dose of > Mycoplex is returned to one fifth once a day, and the Maxigen is > restarted at one seventh of a capsule once a day. However you didn't state what mass of Mycoplex tablet the above applies to. I'm guessing 500mg, as I think that's typical for this supplement. Can you or anyone else confirm this? Once I have the dosage confirmed we'll order the following two items: http://www.auravita.com/products/AURA/ORBU11480.asp http://www.auravita.com/products/aura/PHAR16645.asp?RefId=800 Do these seem appropriate? Does anyone have a cheaper uk supplier for either/both? The former doesn't actually list the tablet mass for Mycoplex, however the pricing, compared to that for the 250g of Mycoplex powder, suggests these are 500mg tabs (it doesn't matter other than in respect of value, as once bought we'll have the bottle to confirm their weight). Incidentally, the site does seem to imply they're 1000mg, however I think that's just as they give the composition of the tabs per 1000mg of product - if you look at the page for the 250g bottle of powder, the same figures are given with a total mass of 1000mg. Thanks for any feedback.  SignatureMichael m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t > We've had our fair share of surgeries for tumour removal recently, > almost all with complications after the fuzzy butts have ripped their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > we'd ordinarily leave for a short period of observation (a week or two), > during this period. <snip> I would be very interested in jake's experience with the IP 6. It sounds pretty good. Anyone else tried it? This is what came up on google. http://www.raysahelian.com/ip-6.html SignatureJoanne Owned by 23 rats. Webshots: http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 ------------------------------------------------------- ~Ignorance is not innocence but sin. *Robert Browning* Hi, sorry I've taken so long to get back to you on this. I had one rat that had a small tumour appear, and immediately I put him on the IP-6, one capsule every day. Here in the UK, they suggest that you give it without food, as it has maximum effects that way. In the USA, they suggest giving with food. Also, you cant give it at the same time as other meds, because with most other meds it reduces the effects of the IP-6 and IP-6 can reduce the effects of some meds. Its foul tasting, and most rats wont look at it. I started giving it in water, via a syringe, in a couple of mils of water, then cranberry juice, it worked for a while, but it got a bit stressful for the rat being syringe fed every day. I then mixed it with strong smelling/tasting foods, and double the dose for the first month. The lump, by the end of the month had disappeared. At the end of the month, I reduced it to half dose, but the rat has to be on it every day for the rest of his life though. As its a natural product, you cant overdose, its perfectly safe. Its being used for lots of different tumours. I've known a few other rat owners that have used it with good success too. Hope that helps. Signaturehttp://www.furrycritters.co.uk http://community.webshots.com/user/jakewc2 >> We've had our fair share of surgeries for tumour removal recently, almost >> all with complications after the fuzzy butts have ripped their own [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > pretty good. Anyone else tried it? > This is what came up on google. http://www.raysahelian.com/ip-6.html > Hi, sorry I've taken so long to get back to you on this. I had one rat that > had a small tumour appear, and immediately I put him on the IP-6, one [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Hope that helps. Thank you soooo much jake!!!! SignatureJoanne Owned by 23 rats. Webshots: http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 ------------------------------------------------------- ~Ignorance is not innocence but sin. *Robert Browning* Wow, this sounds so interesting. It would be a blessing if it really does work. Lynn kitty Hi, sorry I've taken so long to get back to you on this. I had one rat that had a small tumour appear, and immediately I put him on the IP-6, Well, put it this way, here in the UK, its been so effective against some cancers in animals, that its actually been tested and used on humans as an alternative treatment, with some really good results. Its supposed to be effective against breast cancer and stomach cancers. Its really hard to get hold of in the UK, eventually I found it from a nurse who works at one of the Harley Street Clinics (famous private hospital street in UK), that is using it with their patients. if anybody is interested the site I got mine from is http://www.nutrition-marketplace.co.uk/ then click on Specialist link on side bar and scroll down. Its about the only place in the UK I could find it. Signaturehttp://www.furrycritters.co.uk http://community.webshots.com/user/jakewc2 > Wow, this sounds so interesting. It would be a blessing if it really does > work. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that > had a small tumour appear, and immediately I put him on the IP-6, > Well, put it this way, here in the UK, its been so effective against some > cancers in animals, that its actually been tested and used on humans as an [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > then click on Specialist link on side bar and scroll down. Its about the > only place in the UK I could find it. What is the potency of your caps? 500 mcg? And you give a whole one each day? If you stop giving it, does the tumour come back? I'm going to check my local health store for them cause I'm having a hard time looking for an online store that ships to Canada. SignatureJoanne Owned by 23 rats. Webshots: http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 ------------------------------------------------------- ~Ignorance is not innocence but sin. *Robert Browning* Hi Joanne, its 500mgs, not mcg, and yes if you can get them to take it without food, then one capsule a day, if you open the capsule, and either sprinkle in a couple of mils of water or cranberry juice or if you can get your rats to drink grapefruit juice, its supposed to be the best with IP-6, and is safe with rats, and syringe feed your rat once a day, or 2 x 500mgs in food. once a day. Yes they do have to stay on it, once the tumour has gone. Its good though because it boosts the immune system as well. Some people actually give it as a prophylactic. Signaturehttp://www.furrycritters.co.uk http://community.webshots.com/user/jakewc2 >> Well, put it this way, here in the UK, its been so effective against some >> cancers in animals, that its actually been tested and used on humans as [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I'm going to check my local health store for them cause I'm having a hard > time looking for an online store that ships to Canada. > Hi Joanne, its 500mgs, not mcg, and yes if you can get them to take it > without food, then one capsule a day, if you open the capsule, and either [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > gone. Its good though because it boosts the immune system as well. Some > people actually give it as a prophylactic. Thanks so much jake!! When my rats become old and/or sick and unable to survive a tumour removal should they develop a tumour, I'm going to give IP6 a try. At least it's better than just watching them with a dreadful tumour and feeling hopeless. Lately, I've had a couple of people write to me about their elderly girls with a tumour, too sick for surgery, I've already referred them to Mycoplex but now I'll tell them about the IP6 as well. People's experiences with supplements are absolutely invaluable!! SignatureJoanne Owned by 23 rats. Webshots: http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 ------------------------------------------------------- ~Ignorance is not innocence but sin. *Robert Browning* >> Hi Joanne, its 500mgs, not mcg, and yes if you can get them to take it >> without food, then one capsule a day, if you open the capsule, and either [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > them to Mycoplex but now I'll tell them about the IP6 as well. > People's experiences with supplements are absolutely invaluable!! Hi Joanne, no problem, I'm glad I was able to be of some help. You could also try using the IP-6 even before an operation, as an alternative. If you notice a tumour appear, or have a rat that you have that is prone to them, begin the treatment straight away, it might reduce the tumour and an operation might not be needed. Signaturehttp://www.furrycritters.co.uk http://community.webshots.com/user/jakewc2 > I would be very interested in jake's experience with the IP 6. It sounds > pretty good. Anyone else tried it? > This is what came up on google. http://www.raysahelian.com/ip-6.html Interesting agreed. I'll be watching here to see what results people report. SignatureMichael m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t > We've had our fair share of surgeries for tumour removal recently, > almost all with complications after the fuzzy butts have ripped their > own stitches out come what may. Sorry to hear that, yep, that's quite a common thing unfortunately, and the one way I've found that they don't chew their stitchs out is if the stitches are subcutaneous, in other words are stitched inside and are nigh on impossible for the ratty to nibble. Some vets don't like to use them, and some feel that they cause more irritation, but in my experience they seem to be more comfortable and are nibbled much less. > So, I figure it can't hurt to supplement such treatment in the future > with Mycoplex/Shark Cartilage, in the hope this might reduce the > frequency of subsequent surgery Absolutely, it cannot hurt whatsoever. > In other words, we're not going to use this in place of existing > treatment, but rather as a supplement. Given there are no major negative > effects, hopefully this means at the very worst the only thing we lose > is a little cash. Good idea. > Back in June 2005, Bevluvsrats wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > to. I'm guessing 500mg, as I think that's typical for this supplement. > Can you or anyone else confirm this? Yes, sorry, at the time the more widely available tablet was the 500mg one, as most other forms were powder for horses. > Once I have the dosage confirmed we'll order the following two items:http://www.auravita.com/products/AURA/ORBU11480.asphttp://www.auravita.com/produ cts/aura/PHAR16645.asp?RefId=800 > > Do these seem appropriate? Does anyone have a cheaper uk supplier for > either/both? You may wish to have a look at www.vetscriptions.co.uk as that's where I bought my last supply of Mycoplex from. Hope that helps. Bev x >> We've had our fair share of surgeries for tumour removal recently, >> almost all with complications after the fuzzy butts have ripped [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > in my experience they seem to be more comfortable and are nibbled > much less. That's what she's done for the last few surgeries. It probably does help, but we're still finding most will pick & pull the odd stitch out, with quite a few cases where they'll go on to open the entire wound up. Our last case, Xev, is currently still in a cage alone after three weeks, having pulled out her stitches three times. The last restitch consisted of two layers of internal stitching. The wound has started to granulate so after the third time it's been left open. It actually seems to be healing now, thankfully. [snip dosages] > Yes, sorry, at the time the more widely available tablet was the > 500mg one, as most other forms were powder for horses. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You may wish to have a look at www.vetscriptions.co.uk as that's > where I bought my last supply of Mycoplex from. Thanks, I'll take a look later today. > Hope that helps. Indeed, cheers :) SignatureMichael m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t how much it cost in general for tumour removal surgery in rats? I never had to do that, when my rats grew tumours, they were very old, so it wasn't worth it. So I'm just curious... > We've had our fair share of surgeries for tumour removal recently, almost > all with complications after the fuzzy butts have ripped their own > stitches out come what may. > how much it cost in general for tumour removal surgery in rats? I > never had to do that, when my rats grew tumours, they were very old, > so it wasn't worth it. So I'm just curious... My Kai has to have a lumpectomy later today (10:00 GMT) so I'll let everyone know how much it costs me. Please keep Kai in your thoughts and cross fingers and paws for a successful operation. SignatureRatty Hugs & Cavy Kisses Jackie Ably Hindered by The Buck House Crew: Zwart, FortyFiveDegrees, NinetySevenPercent, Kai, Daichi, Torin, Barley, Jeremy, Oscar & Trigger with Emory & Meron cavy. Rats At The Bridge: Pubpsy, Rex, Stripe, Hoody, Groucho, Brownie, Harpo, Zeppo, Chico, Juniper, Ginger, Doyle, Bodie, Ebenezer, Obadiah, Alexander, Curtis, StuartLittle, Keel, Lysander, Bo, Isaiah, Malachi, Neziah, Whitham, Luke, Foret, Xaus, Melandri, Alzamora, Rossi, Quezovercoatl, Vizzimuth, Cecchinello, Chili, Vassenego, Ui, Khefin, Ysgafala, Titus, Nero, Hat, Orion, Marmeduke, Vasyl, Schwarz, Spikkle, Elian & Zydrundas. Cavies At The Bridge: Brock, Heinz, Tudor, Teddy, Joseph & Nikolas. >> how much it cost in general for tumour removal surgery in rats? I never >> had to do that, when my rats grew tumours, they were very old, so it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Please keep Kai in your thoughts and cross fingers and paws for a > successful operation. Little Kai is in my thoughts, I hope all goes well. Please let us know! Tracey >> how much it cost in general for tumour removal surgery in rats? I >> never had to do that, when my rats grew tumours, they were very old, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Please keep Kai in your thoughts and cross fingers and paws for a > successful operation. Good luck :) SignatureMichael m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t > how much it cost in general for tumour removal surgery in rats? I never had > to do that, when my rats grew tumours, they were very old, so it wasn't > worth it. So I'm just curious... We usually pay around 30-40ukp, but if there are problems afterwards it can creep a lot higher. For instance if we need a Sunday consultation (our vets have an emergency drop in for half an hour Sunday mornings), that alone can double the cost. General consultations & meds are very reasonable imo, from our current vets & if we need repeated regular appts in a specific case they often seem to drop the costs or even waive the consult fee & just charge for meds (I suspect this depends on which vet one sees though, but for the last couple of years we've always tried to see the same vet as she seems to know the most about small furries). SignatureMichael m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t > We usually pay around 30-40ukp, Well Kai's op cost: Item Quantity Net £ Total £ Inc VAT Rat GA per Kg 1 13.56 15.93 Surgical Consumables 1 8.96 10.53 Metacam 0.5% 0.4 4.95 5.82 Monocryl 4-0/1.5m 1 5.44 6.39 Surgery time - remove lump 20 71.60 84.13 £ 122.80 ARGH!!!!! I also got a repeat prescription of Metacam so that added another £7.34 It was a major shock when I got the bill but fortunately my Vets let me have an account and I pay them weekly. Kai is sitting on the sofa with me atm. He's had a bit of carrot, some cucumber and a leaf or two of lettuce since we got home but mostly he's sleeping. He'll be overnighting in my bedroom so I can be near if he needs me. He goes back to the Vets on monday afternoon because they want to keep a close eye on him because the lump was so big. He is shaved from his left arm to his left leg, from his flank to the centre of his back. The wound is about 4.5 inches / 11 cm long with subcutaneous stitches and wound glue rather than external stitches. Thanks to everyone for their good wishes. SignatureRatty Hugs & Cavy Kisses Jackie Ably Hindered by The Buck House Crew "Behavioral psychology is the science of pulling habits out of rats." Dr. Douglas Busch All the best for your Rattie..:) I love Wound Glue. It was what the Vet used with one of my boys after he removed all his stitches after a lump removal...LOL Kind regards Kate >> We usually pay around 30-40ukp, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Thanks to everyone for their good wishes. >> We usually pay around 30-40ukp, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Thanks to everyone for their good wishes. Bless his heart, give hime a big snuggle from me. Sending healing vibes his way for a quick recovery. Tracey |
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