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Dale Voss - 29 Sep 2003 02:30 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the strain of Blue Rats which are prone to a
type of Haemophillia?
I'm not sure if it's true haemophillia, but these rats have a tendency to
bleed to death from otherwise minor wounds, along with respiratory illness
and sudden unexplainable death, suspected due to internal bleeding.

In Sydney, I have heard that most blues are derived from the same bloodline.

I live in Victoria, Australia, and have been discouraged from keeping Blues
due to the 'cruelty' of keeping them,
yet I have spoken to two breeders who have never experienced a problem.

Please note, I am not starting a politics or ethics thread here. I only want
FACTUAL information, if possible including
pedigree information, dates, places of purchase, temperament of individual
rats, lifespan or date/time of death,

Sometime in the distant future I would like to breed blues, but only once I
know what is causing these problems.

Any contact information for Australian breeders of blues would be much
appreciated.

I'm hoping to compile a concise source of information based on factual, not
anecdotal evidence.

-Dale
paghat - 29 Sep 2003 04:44 GMT
> Does anyone know anything about the strain of Blue Rats which are prone to a
> type of Haemophillia?
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>
> -Dale

Several years ago there were many warnings about breeding American blue
rexes to blue rexes, or Australian blue normals to blue normals. Offspring
were said to suffer blindness, bald patches, early death from respiratory
illness, & internal bleeding deaths. Not all regions seem to report all
the same problems, & blues with Australian pedigrees seem to be worse off
than in America, & American blues worse off than UK blues. In the US it
was supposed to be safe to breed them to anything except another blue, but
Aussies reported inheritance of problems even with crosses with other
colors & contaminating the health of other colored rats. Problems afflict
females worse than males. And it hasn't been discussed in the major rat
journals in some while. Here is a website on Blue Rat Syndrome:
http://lists.ausrfs.org.au/pipermail/ausrats/2003-August/008458.html

There have been some recent scientific studies on Blue Rat cells that show
them to be susceptible to leukemia, but only in some strains; I haven't
read these studies & don't know if the strains are in the pet trade or
restricted to lab strains for studying mutagens, but chances are these
special strains of disease-prone rats did get out into the pet trade at
some point & so effected pet trade blues.  In American & England, not only
blue rexes but also pearl, pearl-merle or beige, and hairless have had
troubles, though most cases have been blamed on generally mismanaged
breeding without sufficient genetic knowledge (which is critical to safely
preserve especially the blue), & even then the majority of animals are
only slightly shroter lived or more disease prone -- whereas in Australia
problems are reportedly more pervasive for blues which are nearly
guaranteed to die young of something fairly bad, including bleeding
problems, though far more from severe early onset respiratory disease.

Here's about the Blue Rat Support Group, which MIGHT have further
specifics if you contact them directly:
http://www.rmca.org/Articles/blue.htm

-paghat

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Dale Voss - 29 Sep 2003 11:53 GMT
Thankyou Paghat,

I've noticed that here, In Victoria, there was a lady breeding blues, so far
as i know with no troubles, then I learned of two other breeders who had no
problems, yet in the same city, reports of rats bleeding out from cage
injuries were reported.

> > Does anyone know anything about the strain of Blue Rats which are prone to a
> > type of Haemophillia?
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>    -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
> See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/
 
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