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~nightmare sky - 25 Apr 2007 22:31 GMT
One of my rats, Munch, is starting to become fat. He's always been
squishy, but he's starting to gain some weight and I am afraid that it
will affect his health in the long run. Nothing has really changed
'cept the fact that I cut down on the yogurt things. I usually give
them carrots and bananas to snack on instead. Usually if I give them a
yogurt chip I make them work for it. While some people on previous
posts have mentioned that there wouldn't be much of a weight loss. But
at the same time I want my rats to be both healthy and happy at the
same time. (My other rat, Fin, is just squishy. But he's active.)

Munch is shy and not-as-active when compared to Fin. But he does run
around and play around when I let him out into the room. (Note: I do
this throughout the day.)
Rosemary - 25 Apr 2007 23:48 GMT
> One of my rats, Munch, is starting to become fat. He's always been
> squishy, but he's starting to gain some weight and I am afraid that it
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> around and play around when I let him out into the room. (Note: I do
> this throughout the day.)

Dieting small animals is always a big problem for me. I've found that if
one rat in a group is overweight, decreasing the amount of rat food
available just seems to result in the others getting skinnier. Cutting
out any fattening treats seems to be the only other thing possible if you
rule out separating the fat one from the others (which obviously isn't
such a great thing to do). Would it be possible to make their regular rat
food harder to get hold of? Also, although it might be too time-consuming
maybe you could feed them their normal rat food separately a couple or a
few times a day.

Rosemary
Joanne - 26 Apr 2007 13:35 GMT
> One of my rats, Munch, is starting to become fat. He's always been
> squishy, but he's starting to gain some weight and I am afraid that it
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> around and play around when I let him out into the room. (Note: I do
> this throughout the day.)

When I first started keeping rats, I fed them lots of junk and a grain
mix as well as dog food. My rats were lazy, fat and sick. I talked to my
vet and she pointed out that dog food is not energy dense enough for
rats and the grain mix was simply not balanced. So I switched them to a
rat block and no more junk food. Any treat they get has to be low fat,
low protein, no salt and no sugar. This has worked great...they've lost
weight, are much much more active and are quite healthy, in fact, I've
got rats that are 37, 36 and 35 months old. I've got rats that are
running around at 24 months like they were young studs. While everyone
talks about their males being lazy and squishy, mine are running around
playing all the time. You can see this in all my videos on YouTube. (jorats)
Cutting out all junk is important as a start.
There's been lots of studies out there that prove that cutting calorie
consumption actually prolongs life. This is true in rats as in humans.
Some go as far as feeding their rats every second day. Now I wouldn't be
able to go that far with those sweet begging eyes looking at me each
day. But my rats now get a limited amount of blocks (3 each) with lots
of veggies and some fruit.
The exercise is also very important... which you already do so that's good.
I also want to say, don't put an old or sick rat on a diet. This could
be detrimental to them.
My vet once told me, if we can keep our rats very slim until 18 months,
then at 18 months start giving them a little extra (fat like olive oil,
avocados...) so they have extra when when they do start to get ill and
lose weight.

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Tracey - 27 Apr 2007 10:33 GMT
> One of my rats, Munch, is starting to become fat. He's always been
> squishy, but he's starting to gain some weight and I am afraid that it
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> around and play around when I let him out into the room. (Note: I do
> this throughout the day.)

I once had a rat that got too fat and I had to put on a diet.  His cagemate
was really slim, so I didn't want to alter their main dried rat food as I
didn't want her to lose any weight.  The problem lay in some of the fresh
foods I was giving him anyway and the fact that he was pretty lazy!  I
didn't feed unhealthy foods but things such as baked beans, mashed potato, a
bit of our pasta dinner (with sauce!), some dairy products and avocado pear.
What I didn't realise at the time is that baked beans have hidden sugars (in
the tomato sauce they are in) so are not *that* low in calories, and
potatoes and avocadoes aren't the lowest of calories, in fact avocado is one
of the highest caloried veg/fruit, and the sauces I used to use back then
for our pasta dinners were quite calorific.  Most dairy products certainly
aren't low fat either.  (Compared to other fruit bananas are quite calorific
too.)  What I started doing was removing those foods and feeding him just
the lower calorie ones (they had always had these along with the higher
ones) such as broccoli, cabbage, swede, peas, cauliflower, spinach, carrots,
berries...  I would slip my slim rattie her higher calorie healthy foods
when fattus rattus was off free ranging somewhere!  Regards excercise I used
to encourage him to climb to the top of my clothes airer, an activity I've
found rats seem to love!  I saw an improvement in his weight after just a
few weeks.  After he lost the weight I then allowed the occasional high
calorie treat such as nuts, seeds, avocado and his beloved mashed potatoes,
just made sure I didn't give them too often!

Tracey
Michael Rozdoba - 27 Apr 2007 15:42 GMT
>> One of my rats, Munch, is starting to become fat. He's always been
>> squishy, but he's starting to gain some weight and I am afraid that
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> time is that baked beans have hidden sugars (in the tomato sauce they
> are in) so are not *that* low in calories,

Quite - that's partly why they're such a great food if you're on a low
budget. Cheap good food, high in protein, carbohydrate & fibre, low in
fat, but of course still plenty of calories - so of limited good for
those of us capable of eating them faster than the canning factory can
chuck them out, which includes me & several of our rats past & present :)

> and potatoes and avocadoes aren't the lowest of calories, in fact
> avocado is one of the highest caloried veg/fruit,

Isn't it high in cholesterol too?

http://www.all-about-lowering-cholesterol.com/avocado-cholesterol-and-avocado-fa
t.html


Mm, seems yes but it's the good sort. Either way it's still high calorie.

> and the sauces I used to use back then for our pasta dinners were
> quite calorific.

I'm getting hungry now...

> Most dairy products certainly aren't low fat either.  (Compared to
> other fruit bananas are quite calorific too.)  What I started doing
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> berries...  I would slip my slim rattie her higher calorie healthy
> foods when fattus rattus was off free ranging somewhere!

That's pretty much what we've tried to do in the past.

ATM we've got two youngsters on a high protein diet for another few
weeks. They get a couple of hours a day in a separate cage to get access
to their protein boost, as otherwise our Xev would wolf the lot &
probably explode.

However that strategy isn't really practical long term or where you're
talking about giving two groups of rats totally different diets (as
they'd need to be apart nearly all the time), or where it's just the one
rat that needs the restricted diet (imo the stress would do more damage
than any of the benefits could counter).

> Regards excercise I used to encourage him to climb to the top of my
> clothes airer, an activity I've found rats seem to love!

LOL - especially if it has freshly washed clothes on. I think they get a
bonus if they can find an item of expensive clothing that hasn't yet
been shredded or at least signed with a couple of little exploratory
nibbles.

> I saw an improvement in his weight after just a few weeks.  After he
> lost the weight I then allowed the occasional high calorie treat such
> as nuts, seeds, avocado and his beloved mashed potatoes, just made
> sure I didn't give them too often!

I'm trying that method on myself atm ;)

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Tracey - 29 Apr 2007 20:29 GMT
>>> One of my rats, Munch, is starting to become fat. He's always been
>>> squishy, but he's starting to gain some weight and I am afraid that
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> I'm trying that method on myself atm ;)

LOL!

Tracey
 
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