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A Sick Rattie

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jennjenn84 - 17 Jun 2007 07:39 GMT
About a week ago I bought a rat (Oreo) from a petstore.  They told me that
she was pregnant and would be having babies any day.  She has always been
pretty slow moving and calm.  Over the past week she has become slower, and
almost depressed looking.  She doesnt move around as much, and she sleeps
almost all day.  Today I took her to the vet because she still hasn't had her
babies, and she was worrying me.  They said she has a respratory infection
and gave me meds (Clavamax).  I had read on here that I should give her
Pedialite, so I did, and when I got home I gave her the first dose of meds.
She didnt seem to like the meds and I'm not sure how much she actually took,
but this isnt what is worrying me.  Since I gave her the meds she seems to
have gotten worse.  She immediatly pooped three times on the couch, and drank
a bit of the Pedialite, but instead of getting better she curled into a ball
in the corner of her cage and has slept since.  I went to the store to get
some babyfood, and bought a bunch of different kinds since I didnt know which
she would like, and when I tried to get her attention she actually tried to
bite me!  She has never done this before.  She did eat one the types of
babyfood, but I'm really worried.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
She is my first rat, and I'm really worried.  Thanks.
Dewi - 17 Jun 2007 08:46 GMT
I'm not 100% sure what's up with Oreo. Maybe she's in labour or, more
likely, maybe she feels really lousy because of the respiratory
infection.

Just a few questions: How fat is her belly? Their abdomen gets really
fat about a week before the litter is due -  you can even see the
kittens moving about inside. Was the poop diarrhoea like or extra soft
or smelly? If you think the antibiotic is upsetting her, call the vet
and get his/her opinion to see if this is okay. The antibiotics taste
pretty bad, so try mixing it in something tasty like flavoured
yoghurt. I use to use yoghurt but now use a mixture of soy baby
forumula and nutrigel (http://www.troylab.com.au/eng/ilium/
nutrigel.html) which they love and it's highly nutritious as well. Its
great for sick rats in general. Acutally it's great even when they
aren't sick.

The antibiotics will take several days to start taking effect so you
won't seen an improvement yet.

Hope Oreo gets well soon.

Dewi.
jennjenn84 - 17 Jun 2007 18:40 GMT
Hey Dewi,
They said that they think that she only has one baby, so her belly isnt big,
and I cant see anything.  They also said it would be within the next two
weeks, so I have some time I think.  I think she doesn't like the meds
because she has had them before, and because I kind of have to force feed her
the meds.  Today I tried putting it in babyfood, but she wouldnt eat it.  I
dont know what to do at this point.  The vet is closed, so I'll have to wait
until tomorrow.  Instead of puting her back in her cage right after giving
her the meds I'm letting her play, but she really just wants to sleep, so she
is sleeping on my shoulder right now.  Any other advice?
Dewi - 17 Jun 2007 21:21 GMT
Try the flavoured yoghurt. A nice creamy brand. Baby food may be too
bland. The antibiotic that Joanne suggested is a good one for rats.
Doxycyclin and baytril combined is the usual treatment for respiratory
infections for rats and most times these work well. If you call the
vet, ask her about using these antibiotics for Oreo.

Dewi
Joanne - 17 Jun 2007 20:56 GMT
> About a week ago I bought a rat (Oreo) from a petstore.  They told me that
> she was pregnant and would be having babies any day.  She has always been
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> babyfood, but I'm really worried.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> She is my first rat, and I'm really worried.  Thanks.

Rats generally have about 12 babies in a litter. If you got her a week
ago, and she was with a male prior to coming home with you, she could
have another 2 weeks to go. Her belly will get big generally a few days
before birth.
Do you know her age? Also, didn't the vet try to palpate the belly to
see if he can feel the babies? He would know if she's pregnant or not.
If she does indeed have a respiratory infection, Clavamox is not a good
med for it. She needs Baytril. I suggest you go back to the vet and ask
for the better med.
She really sounds sick. Try and keep her hydrated, warm and fed, I hope
she likes the baby food, some rats really love the baby cereal.

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jennjenn84 - 17 Jun 2007 23:40 GMT
The vet did feel her stomach, and said she only has one baby in there.  She
suggested the clavamox because she is pregnant, and that is the only meds
that wont mess up the babies.  What is a good temp for her to be in?  I have
heard a lot of things such as it should be hot, cold, humid.... etc...
Basically it goes back and forth.  She is still pretty lathargic, and isnt
doing much.  I think she is pretty old, but I dont know how old.  I am
definatly going to call in tomorrow and talk to that lady, and probably see
if I can find a different vet.  Though she liked rats, it didnt seem like she
knew much.  I hope that she either starts feeling better, or that I can get a
different medication since so far this isnt helping.  Also, does anyone else
know if its possible that she doesnt like Pedialite because she doesnt seem
to want to drink it.  She also doesnt seem to be eating.  I'm starting to get
concerned.  Any advice for the imediate time until I can get ahold of the vet?
Joanne - 18 Jun 2007 02:08 GMT
> The vet did feel her stomach, and said she only has one baby in there.  She
> suggested the clavamox because she is pregnant, and that is the only meds
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> to want to drink it.  She also doesnt seem to be eating.  I'm starting to get
> concerned.  Any advice for the imediate time until I can get ahold of the vet?

Oh so it was the vet. Yes, clavamox would be the drug to give if they
think the rattie is pregnant, better than nothing.
If she's old, that's not good either especially if she's pregnant.
I would give her extra fleece to keep her warm. You could also try
giving her some Ensure or Boost.

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jennjenn84 - 18 Jun 2007 04:00 GMT
Fleese is a good idea!  I'll go get her some tomorrow and put it into her
cage so she can pull it around and do what she wants with it.  She is still
pretty lathargic, but I'm not sure if this is just how she is since I havent
had her for a really long time.  She still doesn't like the meds, but she is
taking them a bit better.  The babyfood idea isnt working, so I'll try
something else tomorrow.  Please let me know if there is something else you
think I should do.
Summit - 19 Jun 2007 02:49 GMT
Hmm, your description reminds me of how my rats have behaved when they were
mourning the loss of a roommate, maybe she isn't sick but sad.
If the pet store believes her to be pregnant that means she's been living
with other rats; perhaps she's lonely and missing her friends? Maybe you
could see if they still have any of her prior roomies and bring one home for
her.  :)

> Fleese is a good idea!  I'll go get her some tomorrow and put it into her
> cage so she can pull it around and do what she wants with it.  She is
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> you
> think I should do.
jennjenn84 - 19 Jun 2007 04:14 GMT
You know, that actually makes a lot of sense, because she did have her baby
with her until about 5 days ago, which is just when she started acting like
this.  I couldnt keep the baby since she kept biting me.  I was actually just
thinking about buying another one since she seems so lonely, but I am worried
about having so many rats.  Though she is depressed, I might just wait until
she has the baby and keep her, and if she has a boy then I'll buy another one.
I cant believe that I didnt think about that!  Maybe I'll try to set up a
play date with my friends rat.  Though he is a male, she is already pregnant,
so she is okay.  A pregnant rat cant get pregnant again.... and I bet she
would love that.  She is taking the meds a bit better, even though she doesnt
like them.  Forcing her to take them is faster than mixing something which
she doesnt really want to eat either way.  I will spend some extra time with
her over the next few days until she has the baby and has another rat to keep
her company.  I love this little girl, so I am hoping that she gets better.
Thanks for the advice.
Rosemary - 19 Jun 2007 04:26 GMT
> You know, that actually makes a lot of sense, because she did have her
> baby with her until about 5 days ago, which is just when she started
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> the baby and has another rat to keep her company.  I love this little
> girl, so I am hoping that she gets better. Thanks for the advice.

You do know about post-partum oestrus, don't you? Like, if she gives birth
when you're not around, and the male is still with her, she might get
pregnant straight away.

Rosemary
jennjenn84 - 19 Jun 2007 04:47 GMT
He doesnt live here.  It would be a playdate where we are watching them, and
it would be before the babies come.  I know about how they can get pregnant
right away, so I'll be careful....

There is an odd new problem.... that I can use some advice about. I came home
today and when I went to pick her up I noticed that her little nesting box
was soaked all the way through.  I went ahead and started giving her the meds,
and she peed on me like four times.  I dont understand.  Her mouth was
covered in yucky yellow crusty stuff too.  Anyone know of what this might be?
Summit - 19 Jun 2007 16:12 GMT
I would call your vet right away.
It could be that she's having a bad reaction to the meds, or they may not
working at all and her infection is worsening.
Good luck

> He doesnt live here.  It would be a playdate where we are watching them,
> and
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> covered in yucky yellow crusty stuff too.  Anyone know of what this might
> be?
jennjenn84 - 19 Jun 2007 16:46 GMT
I wanted to thank you all for your time.  This morning Oreo passed away.  We
dont have any vets here that are 24 hours, so I was going to take her today,
but before I got there she died.  Now I must make the decision of buying a
new rat and starting over, or giving up.  Thank you again.

Jennifer
Dewi - 20 Jun 2007 03:13 GMT
> I wanted to thank you all for your time.  This morning Oreo passed away.  We
> dont have any vets here that are 24 hours, so I was going to take her today,
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I'm so sorry about Oreo. I wonder what it was?

Dewi
Tracey - 20 Jun 2007 10:07 GMT
>I wanted to thank you all for your time.  This morning Oreo passed away.
>We
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>
> Jennifer

Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear of little Oreo's passing.  Take care.

Tracey
Rosemary - 20 Jun 2007 13:17 GMT
> I wanted to thank you all for your time.  This morning Oreo passed
> away.  We dont have any vets here that are 24 hours, so I was going to
> take her today, but before I got there she died.  Now I must make the
> decision of buying a new rat and starting over, or giving up.  Thank
> you again.

I'm really sorry to hear about that. You did the best you could by her.

Rosemary
Summit - 21 Jun 2007 17:11 GMT
So very sorry to hear about Oreo.
Laurie
>I wanted to thank you all for your time.  This morning Oreo passed away.
>We
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>
> Jennifer
Phoenix Moon - 21 Jun 2007 18:47 GMT
> I wanted to thank you all for your time.  This morning Oreo passed away.  We
> dont have any vets here that are 24 hours, so I was going to take her today,
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Oh, don't give up! It's really awful that you've had such a painful
experience with your first rat, but it was just bad luck. Oreo was
sick when you got her, but rather than give up on her, you did
everything you could to try to help her. That means you are a
wonderful rattie mom and you deserve to have a long, happy
relationship with a healthy pet.

There are people who are wonderful enough to be foster parents to
rats- sick, unsocialized, brutalized... and they accept the emotional
risks. They know that the bond may be short lived, but when you walk
out of a pet store you expect to have loving friend for a long time.
(well, relatively *long* when it comes to rats.) Everyone who is a
loving pet parent experiences the heart break of when their pet passes
away, and the only thing that makes that pain worth it is the joy they
bring while they're here.

So try not to give up.
--Michaela
jennjenn84 - 22 Jun 2007 07:58 GMT
Thank you for saying that.  I tried hard, and it was very sad to see her go.
My friend said that she knew from the beginning that Oreo was sick, but didnt
want to upset me.  Sometime over the next couple weeks we are going to go get
a new rat.  She has picked out a few great ones, so I am glad that she will
be with me.  It is very nice to hear that though.  So thank you!

Jenn
Michael Rozdoba - 22 Jun 2007 11:32 GMT
> Thank you for saying that.  I tried hard, and it was very sad to see her go.
> My friend said that she knew from the beginning that Oreo was sick, but didnt
> want to upset me.

When I read your post about her peeing a lot I wondered if she had a
uterine infection (as one of our rats has pyometra & that's one of the
symptoms), but you'd posted she'd passed away before I had chance to reply.

>  Sometime over the next couple weeks we are going to go get
> a new rat.  She has picked out a few great ones, so I am glad that she will
> be with me.  It is very nice to hear that though.  So thank you!

I don't know if anyone's said, or if you've read this before, but rats
are /much/ happier in groups. Many people keep a pair. Personally I'd
never have less than three & we currently keep anything from five to
eight does. Two would be okay though.

I was going to mention this before, but figured you had enough to worry
about while Oreo was so ill. I hope you & any new rats will have better
luck & bring you much joy.

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Phoenix Moon - 22 Jun 2007 19:43 GMT
> Thank you for saying that.  I tried hard, and it was very sad to see her go.
> My friend said that she knew from the beginning that Oreo was sick, but didnt
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I think that bringing someone who knows the subtleties of rat behavior
is a very good idea. "Mellow" in a rat may seem sweet, but it can also
be an indication of illness. Of course some rats are just mellow,
especially boys- so having someone with you who may be able to better
tell the difference would be great.

I bought an older baby girl (4months or so) after my first two girlies
passed away. She was the last one of her litter left (who were all
sold as food!!) and she had some socialization problems, although the
store owner (who I knew) denied that anything bad had ever happened to
her. She would bite only when i tried to take her out of her cage, so
I would allow her to climb out herself- we worked with trust training
by hand feeding, lots of attention, and soft baby talk. I had had her
for about a week when I came home from work to find her writhing on
the floor of her cage- the vet said that she had broken her own back
most likely trying to *bang* open the top to her cage. I was heart
broken- I felt like the vet was looking at me like a horrible owner- I
swore to never get another rat!

Then a month or so later I happened upon two gorgeous 4wk old Hoodie
sisters (Astro Zombie & Flea). I went to the owner"s everday for the
week until they were weaned to be sure that they were healthy, happy
girls before I brought them home.

There is nothing that says you have to bring home a rat the day you
find him/her. If you are not sure, tell the store person that you are
very interested in this rat (although I suggest 2) and ask if he/she/
they can be put aside for a few days so you can be sure that he/she/
they are healthy. The best rats I have ever had came from a breeder,
not a store- so maybe if you look around locally, you can find one.
They tend to be fed better food, handled from birth, and better
socialized. Of course, there are wonderful rats who need homes in pet
shops, too.

I had been working with a rat rescue trying to adopt a couple of
babies for months before I accidentally came across Jack and Rocky. I
was very specific that I did not want rats who had social or health
problems because they would actually be my sons' rats. I would prefer
rats who were 5wks but would take them up to 8wks. I was willing to
drive up to 4hrs. away! My older son was devistated when Dandy died
and although some day he will have to deal with that pain again, I
wanted both of my sons to have the best chance of having a long, happy
relationship with their pets.

I hope you have better luck this time around. I'm sure you will find a
wonderful rattie. Just be stringent about what rat you bring home- or
be prepared for the work, time, and emotion that a needy rat needs.

Keep posting so I can see how it turns out.
--Michaela
 
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