A Sick Rattie
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jennjenn84 - 17 Jun 2007 07:39 GMT About a week ago I bought a rat (Oreo) from a petstore. They told me that she was pregnant and would be having babies any day. She has always been pretty slow moving and calm. Over the past week she has become slower, and almost depressed looking. She doesnt move around as much, and she sleeps almost all day. Today I took her to the vet because she still hasn't had her babies, and she was worrying me. They said she has a respratory infection and gave me meds (Clavamax). I had read on here that I should give her Pedialite, so I did, and when I got home I gave her the first dose of meds. She didnt seem to like the meds and I'm not sure how much she actually took, but this isnt what is worrying me. Since I gave her the meds she seems to have gotten worse. She immediatly pooped three times on the couch, and drank a bit of the Pedialite, but instead of getting better she curled into a ball in the corner of her cage and has slept since. I went to the store to get some babyfood, and bought a bunch of different kinds since I didnt know which she would like, and when I tried to get her attention she actually tried to bite me! She has never done this before. She did eat one the types of babyfood, but I'm really worried. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. She is my first rat, and I'm really worried. Thanks.
Dewi - 17 Jun 2007 08:46 GMT I'm not 100% sure what's up with Oreo. Maybe she's in labour or, more likely, maybe she feels really lousy because of the respiratory infection.
Just a few questions: How fat is her belly? Their abdomen gets really fat about a week before the litter is due - you can even see the kittens moving about inside. Was the poop diarrhoea like or extra soft or smelly? If you think the antibiotic is upsetting her, call the vet and get his/her opinion to see if this is okay. The antibiotics taste pretty bad, so try mixing it in something tasty like flavoured yoghurt. I use to use yoghurt but now use a mixture of soy baby forumula and nutrigel (http://www.troylab.com.au/eng/ilium/ nutrigel.html) which they love and it's highly nutritious as well. Its great for sick rats in general. Acutally it's great even when they aren't sick.
The antibiotics will take several days to start taking effect so you won't seen an improvement yet.
Hope Oreo gets well soon.
Dewi.
jennjenn84 - 17 Jun 2007 18:40 GMT Hey Dewi, They said that they think that she only has one baby, so her belly isnt big, and I cant see anything. They also said it would be within the next two weeks, so I have some time I think. I think she doesn't like the meds because she has had them before, and because I kind of have to force feed her the meds. Today I tried putting it in babyfood, but she wouldnt eat it. I dont know what to do at this point. The vet is closed, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow. Instead of puting her back in her cage right after giving her the meds I'm letting her play, but she really just wants to sleep, so she is sleeping on my shoulder right now. Any other advice?
Dewi - 17 Jun 2007 21:21 GMT Try the flavoured yoghurt. A nice creamy brand. Baby food may be too bland. The antibiotic that Joanne suggested is a good one for rats. Doxycyclin and baytril combined is the usual treatment for respiratory infections for rats and most times these work well. If you call the vet, ask her about using these antibiotics for Oreo.
Dewi
Joanne - 17 Jun 2007 20:56 GMT > About a week ago I bought a rat (Oreo) from a petstore. They told me that > she was pregnant and would be having babies any day. She has always been [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > babyfood, but I'm really worried. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > She is my first rat, and I'm really worried. Thanks. Rats generally have about 12 babies in a litter. If you got her a week ago, and she was with a male prior to coming home with you, she could have another 2 weeks to go. Her belly will get big generally a few days before birth. Do you know her age? Also, didn't the vet try to palpate the belly to see if he can feel the babies? He would know if she's pregnant or not. If she does indeed have a respiratory infection, Clavamox is not a good med for it. She needs Baytril. I suggest you go back to the vet and ask for the better med. She really sounds sick. Try and keep her hydrated, warm and fed, I hope she likes the baby food, some rats really love the baby cereal.
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jennjenn84 - 17 Jun 2007 23:40 GMT The vet did feel her stomach, and said she only has one baby in there. She suggested the clavamox because she is pregnant, and that is the only meds that wont mess up the babies. What is a good temp for her to be in? I have heard a lot of things such as it should be hot, cold, humid.... etc... Basically it goes back and forth. She is still pretty lathargic, and isnt doing much. I think she is pretty old, but I dont know how old. I am definatly going to call in tomorrow and talk to that lady, and probably see if I can find a different vet. Though she liked rats, it didnt seem like she knew much. I hope that she either starts feeling better, or that I can get a different medication since so far this isnt helping. Also, does anyone else know if its possible that she doesnt like Pedialite because she doesnt seem to want to drink it. She also doesnt seem to be eating. I'm starting to get concerned. Any advice for the imediate time until I can get ahold of the vet?
Joanne - 18 Jun 2007 02:08 GMT > The vet did feel her stomach, and said she only has one baby in there. She > suggested the clavamox because she is pregnant, and that is the only meds [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to want to drink it. She also doesnt seem to be eating. I'm starting to get > concerned. Any advice for the imediate time until I can get ahold of the vet? Oh so it was the vet. Yes, clavamox would be the drug to give if they think the rattie is pregnant, better than nothing. If she's old, that's not good either especially if she's pregnant. I would give her extra fleece to keep her warm. You could also try giving her some Ensure or Boost.
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jennjenn84 - 18 Jun 2007 04:00 GMT Fleese is a good idea! I'll go get her some tomorrow and put it into her cage so she can pull it around and do what she wants with it. She is still pretty lathargic, but I'm not sure if this is just how she is since I havent had her for a really long time. She still doesn't like the meds, but she is taking them a bit better. The babyfood idea isnt working, so I'll try something else tomorrow. Please let me know if there is something else you think I should do.
Summit - 19 Jun 2007 02:49 GMT Hmm, your description reminds me of how my rats have behaved when they were mourning the loss of a roommate, maybe she isn't sick but sad. If the pet store believes her to be pregnant that means she's been living with other rats; perhaps she's lonely and missing her friends? Maybe you could see if they still have any of her prior roomies and bring one home for her. :)
> Fleese is a good idea! I'll go get her some tomorrow and put it into her > cage so she can pull it around and do what she wants with it. She is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you > think I should do. jennjenn84 - 19 Jun 2007 04:14 GMT You know, that actually makes a lot of sense, because she did have her baby with her until about 5 days ago, which is just when she started acting like this. I couldnt keep the baby since she kept biting me. I was actually just thinking about buying another one since she seems so lonely, but I am worried about having so many rats. Though she is depressed, I might just wait until she has the baby and keep her, and if she has a boy then I'll buy another one. I cant believe that I didnt think about that! Maybe I'll try to set up a play date with my friends rat. Though he is a male, she is already pregnant, so she is okay. A pregnant rat cant get pregnant again.... and I bet she would love that. She is taking the meds a bit better, even though she doesnt like them. Forcing her to take them is faster than mixing something which she doesnt really want to eat either way. I will spend some extra time with her over the next few days until she has the baby and has another rat to keep her company. I love this little girl, so I am hoping that she gets better. Thanks for the advice.
Rosemary - 19 Jun 2007 04:26 GMT > You know, that actually makes a lot of sense, because she did have her > baby with her until about 5 days ago, which is just when she started [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the baby and has another rat to keep her company. I love this little > girl, so I am hoping that she gets better. Thanks for the advice. You do know about post-partum oestrus, don't you? Like, if she gives birth when you're not around, and the male is still with her, she might get pregnant straight away.
Rosemary
jennjenn84 - 19 Jun 2007 04:47 GMT He doesnt live here. It would be a playdate where we are watching them, and it would be before the babies come. I know about how they can get pregnant right away, so I'll be careful....
There is an odd new problem.... that I can use some advice about. I came home today and when I went to pick her up I noticed that her little nesting box was soaked all the way through. I went ahead and started giving her the meds, and she peed on me like four times. I dont understand. Her mouth was covered in yucky yellow crusty stuff too. Anyone know of what this might be?
Summit - 19 Jun 2007 16:12 GMT I would call your vet right away. It could be that she's having a bad reaction to the meds, or they may not working at all and her infection is worsening. Good luck
> He doesnt live here. It would be a playdate where we are watching them, > and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > covered in yucky yellow crusty stuff too. Anyone know of what this might > be? jennjenn84 - 19 Jun 2007 16:46 GMT I wanted to thank you all for your time. This morning Oreo passed away. We dont have any vets here that are 24 hours, so I was going to take her today, but before I got there she died. Now I must make the decision of buying a new rat and starting over, or giving up. Thank you again.
Jennifer
Dewi - 20 Jun 2007 03:13 GMT > I wanted to thank you all for your time. This morning Oreo passed away. We > dont have any vets here that are 24 hours, so I was going to take her today, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Message posted via PetKB.comhttp://www.petkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/rat/200706/1 I'm so sorry about Oreo. I wonder what it was?
Dewi
Tracey - 20 Jun 2007 10:07 GMT >I wanted to thank you all for your time. This morning Oreo passed away. >We [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jennifer Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear of little Oreo's passing. Take care.
Tracey
Rosemary - 20 Jun 2007 13:17 GMT > I wanted to thank you all for your time. This morning Oreo passed > away. We dont have any vets here that are 24 hours, so I was going to > take her today, but before I got there she died. Now I must make the > decision of buying a new rat and starting over, or giving up. Thank > you again. I'm really sorry to hear about that. You did the best you could by her.
Rosemary
Summit - 21 Jun 2007 17:11 GMT So very sorry to hear about Oreo. Laurie
>I wanted to thank you all for your time. This morning Oreo passed away. >We [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jennifer Phoenix Moon - 21 Jun 2007 18:47 GMT > I wanted to thank you all for your time. This morning Oreo passed away. We > dont have any vets here that are 24 hours, so I was going to take her today, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Message posted via PetKB.comhttp://www.petkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/rat/200706/1 Oh, don't give up! It's really awful that you've had such a painful experience with your first rat, but it was just bad luck. Oreo was sick when you got her, but rather than give up on her, you did everything you could to try to help her. That means you are a wonderful rattie mom and you deserve to have a long, happy relationship with a healthy pet.
There are people who are wonderful enough to be foster parents to rats- sick, unsocialized, brutalized... and they accept the emotional risks. They know that the bond may be short lived, but when you walk out of a pet store you expect to have loving friend for a long time. (well, relatively *long* when it comes to rats.) Everyone who is a loving pet parent experiences the heart break of when their pet passes away, and the only thing that makes that pain worth it is the joy they bring while they're here.
So try not to give up. --Michaela
jennjenn84 - 22 Jun 2007 07:58 GMT Thank you for saying that. I tried hard, and it was very sad to see her go. My friend said that she knew from the beginning that Oreo was sick, but didnt want to upset me. Sometime over the next couple weeks we are going to go get a new rat. She has picked out a few great ones, so I am glad that she will be with me. It is very nice to hear that though. So thank you!
Jenn
Michael Rozdoba - 22 Jun 2007 11:32 GMT > Thank you for saying that. I tried hard, and it was very sad to see her go. > My friend said that she knew from the beginning that Oreo was sick, but didnt > want to upset me. When I read your post about her peeing a lot I wondered if she had a uterine infection (as one of our rats has pyometra & that's one of the symptoms), but you'd posted she'd passed away before I had chance to reply.
> Sometime over the next couple weeks we are going to go get > a new rat. She has picked out a few great ones, so I am glad that she will > be with me. It is very nice to hear that though. So thank you! I don't know if anyone's said, or if you've read this before, but rats are /much/ happier in groups. Many people keep a pair. Personally I'd never have less than three & we currently keep anything from five to eight does. Two would be okay though.
I was going to mention this before, but figured you had enough to worry about while Oreo was so ill. I hope you & any new rats will have better luck & bring you much joy.
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Phoenix Moon - 22 Jun 2007 19:43 GMT > Thank you for saying that. I tried hard, and it was very sad to see her go. > My friend said that she knew from the beginning that Oreo was sick, but didnt [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Message posted viahttp://www.petkb.com I think that bringing someone who knows the subtleties of rat behavior is a very good idea. "Mellow" in a rat may seem sweet, but it can also be an indication of illness. Of course some rats are just mellow, especially boys- so having someone with you who may be able to better tell the difference would be great.
I bought an older baby girl (4months or so) after my first two girlies passed away. She was the last one of her litter left (who were all sold as food!!) and she had some socialization problems, although the store owner (who I knew) denied that anything bad had ever happened to her. She would bite only when i tried to take her out of her cage, so I would allow her to climb out herself- we worked with trust training by hand feeding, lots of attention, and soft baby talk. I had had her for about a week when I came home from work to find her writhing on the floor of her cage- the vet said that she had broken her own back most likely trying to *bang* open the top to her cage. I was heart broken- I felt like the vet was looking at me like a horrible owner- I swore to never get another rat!
Then a month or so later I happened upon two gorgeous 4wk old Hoodie sisters (Astro Zombie & Flea). I went to the owner"s everday for the week until they were weaned to be sure that they were healthy, happy girls before I brought them home.
There is nothing that says you have to bring home a rat the day you find him/her. If you are not sure, tell the store person that you are very interested in this rat (although I suggest 2) and ask if he/she/ they can be put aside for a few days so you can be sure that he/she/ they are healthy. The best rats I have ever had came from a breeder, not a store- so maybe if you look around locally, you can find one. They tend to be fed better food, handled from birth, and better socialized. Of course, there are wonderful rats who need homes in pet shops, too.
I had been working with a rat rescue trying to adopt a couple of babies for months before I accidentally came across Jack and Rocky. I was very specific that I did not want rats who had social or health problems because they would actually be my sons' rats. I would prefer rats who were 5wks but would take them up to 8wks. I was willing to drive up to 4hrs. away! My older son was devistated when Dandy died and although some day he will have to deal with that pain again, I wanted both of my sons to have the best chance of having a long, happy relationship with their pets.
I hope you have better luck this time around. I'm sure you will find a wonderful rattie. Just be stringent about what rat you bring home- or be prepared for the work, time, and emotion that a needy rat needs.
Keep posting so I can see how it turns out. --Michaela
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