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jennjenn84 - 16 Aug 2007 05:02 GMT
I was wondering your guys' opinion on this whole vet thing.  I currently have
three other friends (who live near me) that have rats, and they all take care
of their pets differently, which is causing me some greif/concern.  Here are
the current points of view that my friends have.

Friend 1 does not take her pets to the vets.  Her rat, Moe, has Cedar bedding,
no toys, has one little hut that he doesnt fit in, and lives alone.

Friend 2 does not take his pets to the vet.  His rats (he has 2) sleep in
appropriate bedding and has toys and other chew items.  

Friend 3 takes her pets to the vet on a extreemly consistant basis.  She will
take them to the vet for anything that seems off (and the vet seems to just
give the rat the same meds no matter what my friend thinks is wrong).  The
rat lives a great life, and has a whole room to live in, but no rat friends.

Me: I take my rats to the vet when I notice that something has changed and it
starts to worry me (nose and eyes red, excessive sneezing when nothing has
changed enviroment wise, sleeping too much, so on).  They have a nice three
story house to live in and have different types of food to eat (fresh veggies,
baby food, mixed rat food, lab blocks and sometimes other treats such as
crackers, peanuts, yogurt), lots of toys (balls with bells in them, tubes to
crawl through) chew sticks both hanging and in the cage.  They have three
huts so that they have different homes to sleep in and a hammoc to sleep in
when they choose to.  Most of my friends wish that they lived the life of my
rats.  

Here is the problem.  As mean as it sounds I am tired of stressing out about
my rats.  A big part of me wishes i could have the attitude that friend 1 has
where she doesnt stress.  Now, I would not change a lot of the things I do
with my rats such as buying them lots of special healthy treats and special
toys.  I just wish I didnt worry so much about every little thing.  As mean
as this sounds, she doesnt know much about rats... she doesnt know that cedar
is terrible for them (though he smells amazing because of it)... she doesnt
know anything about the red noses or anything.  And its not because she
doesnt care, its just that i am so much of a freak about researching, and in
a way, its because I have become such good friends with all of you... but its
the same burden that a doctor has when they have children, they have the
burden of knowing things that can happen.  When I got rats I had no money
problems, but now I cant afford to take them to the vet, which makes me feel
like a terrible owner.  I love them to peices, and I want the best for them,
I hope you all know that, but I dont know where to draw the line.  

Okay, so I kinda ranted there, but I needed to get it off my chest... I guess
what I am wanting to know from you guys is where do you draw the line?  What
is the point where you say, okay I need to go to the vet, and what is the
point where you play the wait and see game?  

Also, I have one other series of questions for you.  I live in Missouri, USA..
. which has been under a massive heat warning (near 105 degrees before the
heat index).  My apartment has been at a constant 74-77 degrees.  But I have
noticed a huge difference in my boys.  Since I added the addition they do
nothing but sleep.  Is it possible that they are depressed since they dont
have to be together all the time, or is it possible that though the temp of
my apartment hasnt changed, they know that its way hotter outside and it
makes them more tired?  Also, I notice that they have split up the new set up
of the house.  Before they had 1 1/2 floors (the base floor, and a shelf that
they ate off of, and a hammoc).  I added a whole floor (where I put one of
their three huts) and another bigger shelf where they eat their treats.
Scoot stays in the bottom section (usually in the hammoc) and Scat sleeps on
the new level.  Any ideas?  Do you guys notice your guys sleeping more when
the temp changes outside?  

Sorry that I am talking so much.  I guess I'm pretty lonely and since I have
these rashes I'm not playing with the boys as much, and its hard on me, and
them.  Thanks for any help you guys give me, and really for reading this if
you actually read it all.
Dewi - 16 Aug 2007 08:10 GMT
Well as far as the vet thing goes. I'm diligent about treating
respiratory problems with my rats now, simply because it can kill them
so easily. I've found that once a vet gets to know me and I've show I
have a good understanding of the signs, symptoms, causes and
treatments of routine things like respiratory infections, they have
(so far) been willing to give me antibiotics without an appointment.
So this saves a heap of money. Tumours are the other thing I am
diligent about, but your guys would be too young for this.

For things such as a lot of bleeding, bad rashes and runny or chronic
diarrhoea, I would see a vet about. I guess with most other things you
can probably quite safely wait and see how it pans out.

If it's something like the ringworm, just treat yourself first and
don't spread it to the rats. If, after treating yourself, you re-catch
ringworm, then it's probably time to take them to the vet. If they are
rash and dandruff free, then there is a good chance that they are
fine.

I find I stress about their health too and on many occasions I think
about not getting any more rats after my current guys live out their
life and have a break from them for a while. I love them dearly but
the stress and heartache get too much sometimes.

As for the temperature, my rats sleep more when it gets hot and cold.

Dewi
Joanne - 16 Aug 2007 17:20 GMT
> I was wondering your guys' opinion on this whole vet thing.  I currently have
> three other friends (who live near me) that have rats, and they all take care
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> them.  Thanks for any help you guys give me, and really for reading this if
> you actually read it all.

Like the saying goes, ignorance is bliss. But in the end, it's still
ignorance.
I bring my rats to the vet when I think it's appropriate.Newsgroups and
forums are a great place to help you decide if it's time or not.
Animals deserve to live a good quality life. Friend #1 sucks at pet
keeping. Friend #2, is a little better and hopefully she will bring her
rat to the vet when the rat really needs it. Friend #3 has the right
idea but a little too paranoid. The vet keeps giving the same med
because there's really only one good med for rats. Whatever the ailment,
 most times it's caused by myco and needs to be treated with the same med.
I've been keeping rats since 2002. In the beginning, I was oblivious to
all the proper care. Then I decided to do some research, I was tired of
my rats dying before reaching 18 months. And now, I do worry but I don't
jump the gun either. I assess their condition, research it and bring
them to the vet if they need it. I try not to obsess over their health
but I also make damn sure that everything I do is totally healthy for them.

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jennjenn84 - 16 Aug 2007 18:38 GMT
As of right now I dont see any rashes or dandruff on them.  Though I notice
Scoot scratching a bit more it might also be because I am paying more
attention to it that i am noticing it.  They could be scraching just as much
as normal and I am just paying more attention to it.  It also seems to be
more wide spread scraching, not just one spot.  I guess I just feel like
sometimes its not worth it, but then when they come up to me and give me
kisses and cuddles, I know it is.  For rashes (or supposed rashes) at what
point would you go to the vet?  I think I am going to follow the advice that
was given on clearing it up on me and unless I see a rash on them, I'm not
going to take them unless I get it again.  Sometimes I wish I could be
ignorant, and not know things.
Joanne - 16 Aug 2007 20:19 GMT
> As of right now I dont see any rashes or dandruff on them.  Though I notice
> Scoot scratching a bit more it might also be because I am paying more
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> going to take them unless I get it again.  Sometimes I wish I could be
> ignorant, and not know things.

I find the best way to know if there's a dermal problem, check for small
scabs. Itchy rats will scratch incessantly and end up scabbing
themselves. If you see that, then perhaps it would be time for a vet
visit. Until then, treat yourself and watch for any changes in the ratties.

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jennjenn84 - 18 Aug 2007 03:07 GMT
I dont see any scabs or anything.  A few scraches on Scats hands, but that is
probably just from cleaning himself.  Scoot once had it, and I asked the vet
and she said its just from cleaning.
Joanne - 18 Aug 2007 17:02 GMT
> I dont see any scabs or anything.  A few scraches on Scats hands, but that is
> probably just from cleaning himself.  Scoot once had it, and I asked the vet
> and she said its just from cleaning.

I never heard of scratches on the hand... it must be from the grooming.
If your sweeties have no scabs, they are probably ok.

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jennjenn84 - 21 Aug 2007 01:19 GMT
I was giving my boys a bath today and I noticed that Scat has little brown
dots all over his body.  i'm not sure if it is just his skin or something
else.  They didnt wash off, and no matter how much I scrached at them they
still didnt come off.  We have an apointment tomorrow for them.  I'll let you
know what they have.
Mandie @k@ Zepherous - 21 Aug 2007 02:00 GMT
>I was giving my boys a bath today and I noticed that Scat has little brown
> dots all over his body.  i'm not sure if it is just his skin or something
> else.  They didnt wash off, and no matter how much I scrached at them they
> still didnt come off.  We have an apointment tomorrow for them.  I'll let
> you
> know what they have.

It sounds like mites, easily treated.
I would get Scoot treated at the same time and thoroughly
was down the cage and bedding etc.
I wonder if it could maybe an be early sign of ringworm though
as it is infectious, same regime though if it is.
jennjenn84 - 21 Aug 2007 18:41 GMT
Well, I went to the vet today.  I was shocked when this other lady walked in.
Apparently she is the other vet in the building, and she says she has as much
rat experience as the other lady.  I didnt like her as much, and the boys
just peed and pooped all over the place.  (It was almost like they were doing
it on purpose because they didnt like her.  

The weighed Scat, and Scoot who have both gained a lot of weight.  Scat is
now just about 400 grams, and Scoot is 511.  I dont know how much they are
supposed to weigh, but I am putting them on a diet.  No more mixed food, just
the blocks (since i can really control how much they eat, and it provides a
much better balance diet.  They are going to hate it!

The vet said that I shouldnt have brought them in so soon after their bath
(but realistically I brought them in as soon as possible to hopefully prevent
them from getting worse).  She took a sample and basically looked over the
spots and decided that they are Mites (most likely), and gave both of them
medication.  She also said that I need to bring Scat back in in two weeks so
they can give him more meds to really kill them (the bugs, not the rats).
They said I could just come pick it up, and not bring him in, and that's
probably what I'll do as bringing them across town is a pain and stresses
them out, and they dont need that.  

She said they dont seem to have ringworm, and that if they catch it then I'll
know since it will cause them to loose their hair, and almost seem to go bald
in the areas where they have it.  So, it looks like they do in fact not have
it... which is good to know.  I still have to be on watch for the next 6
months, since it is still in the environment for that long, but at least at
the moment its all good.
Joanne - 22 Aug 2007 16:57 GMT
> Well, I went to the vet today.  I was shocked when this other lady walked in.
> Apparently she is the other vet in the building, and she says she has as much
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> months, since it is still in the environment for that long, but at least at
> the moment its all good.

Sounds like a good vet visit. Excellent that you can pick up the extra
med without bringing in the rats again.
I too would put them on blocks alone. It's much healthier and easier to
maintain their weight gain.

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jennjenn84 - 22 Aug 2007 23:31 GMT
I am planning on making the change once I get back from my trip.  I got a job,
but it doesnt start until September 17th, so I am going to go see my parents
while I can.  The boys will be coming with me, and I am worried for a lot of
reasons.  It is going to be hot going over the mountains, its a really long
drive that I always just do in one day (its 12 hours).  I have a pretty good
feeling that they will sleep the whole time, but I just hope that they can
calm down and fall asleep as usually they are stressed out and running all
over.  I am going to put them in the back seat, so hopefully without having
me sitting right next to them will help them go to sleep.  I am also going to
leave their waterbottle on their cage, even though most say not to.   I am
going to put a bowl under it so that any loose water can be caught.  

Do you guys know if Benedril has the same sleeping affect on rats that it
does for people?  Any ideas about a mild sedadive, or really any ideas on how
to make it easier for them?
 
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