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Tylosin (Tylan) extends rats lives?

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Slippy - 13 Dec 2007 11:05 GMT
This article seems to show that the administration of tylosin over a two
year period extends rats lives:

http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v29je08.htm

(about halfway down the page)

Groups of about 25 male and female Harlan rats (total 213)
   received 0, 0.001, 0.01 or 0.1 % tylosin base in their diet for 2
   years. Survival was better in tylosin treated groups than in control
   rats (54% and 30% respectively). No effects were seen on growth,
   haematology, or relative organ weights. Macroscopy and microscopy
   revealed an increased number of animals with fatty changes in livers
   and kidney at all dose groups and a slight increased incidence of
   bile duct proliferation at the 0.1 and 0.01% levels, but neither was
   dose-related (Anderson et al., 1966; Study R10-58).

In another 2-year study groups of Harlan rats (30/sex/group)
   were fed diets containg 0, 0.01, or 1.0% tylosin base. Survival was
   better in rats fed tylosin than in control rats (57% and 29%
   survival in high dose and control rats, respectively). No effects
   were seen on growth, haematology, urinalysis, organ weights,
   macroscopy and microscopy. A dose-unrelated increase of fatty
   changes in liver and kidney was observed. (Anderson et al., 1966;
   R3-59).

Seems to indicate that a rat NOT on tylosin has about a 1 in 3 chance of
making it to 2 years whereas a rat on tylos has a better than 1 in 2 chance
of making it.
Kate - 14 Dec 2007 04:18 GMT
But it fails to  mention the fact that it is vile tasting and it is an
antibiotic so why medicate when there is no illness?  You may then end
up with a Rattie that is immune to antibiotics when they really need them.

Regards Kate

  > This article seems to show that the administration of tylosin over
a two
> year period extends rats lives:
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> making it to 2 years whereas a rat on tylos has a better than 1 in 2 chance
> of making it.
Slippy - 14 Dec 2007 08:52 GMT
> But it fails to  mention the fact that it is vile tasting and it is an
> antibiotic so why medicate when there is no illness?  You may then end
> up with a Rattie that is immune to antibiotics when they really need them.

I don't know I'm just looking at the statistics here.  The study indicates
that it practically doubles rats' chances of living to age 2 (at least in
the experiment's sample rat population).  Perhaps, since all rats have the
"disease" of myco, it simply keeps it at bay.  Of course more info is
probably needed -- perhaps all the medicated ones who DON'T live to age 2
die within a few months or live terrible lives..  who knows.

If you're looking to try it out with your ratties, or for some reason need
to keep them on Tylan (or any other drug) for their entire lives, it seems
that the way to add it to their water would be to add just a TINY bit at
first, I'm talking a few grains, then a TINY bit more, then gradually work
it up so they don't detect a difference.

I read a study where some scientists got cats addicted to alcohol by adding
just a drop at first to their water and a drop more each couple of days
until after a year the cats were drinking a high concentration of alcohol
and not even realizing it.
Joanne - 24 Dec 2007 17:48 GMT
> This article seems to show that the administration of tylosin over a two
> year period extends rats lives:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> making it to 2 years whereas a rat on tylos has a better than 1 in 2 chance
> of making it.

These studies were conducted on lab rats, not pet rats and this makes a
difference I believe. Lab rats are kept in sterile conditions and so are
not exposed to an environment like pet rats. Our rats go through a lot
of stress which brings on myco.
I know of a breeder who gives her rats tylan like it was candy. Most of
her rats barely make it to 2 years, some die at a very young age.
When I started keeping rats, I asked my vet about Tylan. She told me at
one time this was the med of choice, before the Baytril days, but she
said it never did cure or even alleviate myco symptoms. She told me she
doesn't even stock Tylan anymore as it's a waste of time to treat a
small animal with this drug. BTW my vet is an exotic specialist.
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