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2 male rats - aggression issues?

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Al - 18 Mar 2008 12:30 GMT
Hey there all,
My son has 2 male rats. The older rat has some scabs around his neck
under the chin which i assume are from them "playing'. They seem to be
doing this a lot.  Is this aggression, or just normal play? Any ideas
on how to curb it if it is aggression so the one rat doesnt get
injured ?
They are a few months apart in age - not from the same litter.
thanks
Al
Kate - 20 Mar 2008 05:21 GMT
Hi Al,

It sounds to me like your boys have a dose of mites and need treatment.
 If there was any  real aggression you would know about it..LOL  It
sounds like normal play going on and there will be a power struggle as
there can only ever be one "boss" they will sort that out and continue
to play wrestle and chase and carry on.  I have 3 doing it at the moment
and it can be quite hilarious to watch. Please get the mites seen to
though as too much stress by constantly scratching the itching can cause
them to get run down which can lead to illness.  Please feel free to
look at the pictures of all the Ratty Boys we have had over the years...

Regards Kate

http://community.webshots.com/user/ollieogg

> Hey there all,
> My son has 2 male rats. The older rat has some scabs around his neck
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> thanks
> Al

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Al - 20 Mar 2008 14:48 GMT
> Hi Al,
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Thank you so much for your reply.
we went and got a mite spray from the pet store where we got them, and
we were told to not get the spray in the mouth or eyes, but a few of
the marks are right next to the mouth. do you know if we can use a
cotton swab to treat these ?

thanks
Alan
Kate - 21 Mar 2008 00:39 GMT
>> Hi Al,
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> thanks
> Alan
Hi again,

It isn't the scabs you need to treat.. its the mites.  The scabs are
just where the mites have bitten.  I would recommend getting something
like "revolution" for KITTENS which is just a drop to the back of the
neck.  I personally dose my boys with ivermectin which your Vet can
supply or any tack shop.  Dosing with whatever you use will only prove
successful if your son is extremely thorough with cleaning the rat house
and bedding etc.  A small amount of bleach in hot water works best and
this should become a routine not a now and again thing. Please read this
page, about halfway down.

http://ratguide.com/health/integumentary_skin/ectoparasites.php

Regards Kate

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jennjenn84 - 22 Mar 2008 20:38 GMT
Hey there,
My boys have the same scabs all over their faces and necks.  I have taken
both to the vet 3-4 times for them, and each time they do all the tests and
everything, and find nothing.  It may not be scabs, so if this doesnt work
then I would suggest that you also look into alternative reasons.
Marlo - 25 Mar 2008 02:41 GMT
The vet can do skin scrapings for mites, and not find any mites, and
still the rat probably has mites.  My vet told me they did a test with a
dog that had mites..... they scraped 80 times and no mites showed.  They
showed on the 81st time.  I would highly suggest that you treat for
mites even if the vet can't see them.  But be very careful about the
dosing. I wouldn't even attempt to dose this myself but others may have
different advice. JennJenn, you should get your vet to treat for mites
anyway.
-Marlo

> Hey there,
> My boys have the same scabs all over their faces and necks.  I have taken
> both to the vet 3-4 times for them, and each time they do all the tests and
> everything, and find nothing.  It may not be scabs, so if this doesnt work
> then I would suggest that you also look into alternative reasons.
Phoenix Moon - 28 Mar 2008 11:35 GMT
> The vet can do skin scrapings for mites, and not find any mites, and
> still the rat probably has mites.  My vet told me they did a test with a
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Here's a pic of mite "evidence".

http://ratguide.com/health/figures/ectoparasites_figure_1.php

Lice is also an option- which is what my boys came home with. I
noticed silvery white teeny tiny "nits" stuck to individual hair
folicles. My vet prescribed Carbaryl powder, which was impossible to
use on baby rats, so I self-dosed Ivermectin paste according to the
Ratguide.

My vet found no bugs themselves and had to diagnose by the nits. She
told me on the phone when I suspected mites- before I knew exactly
what the nits were- that mites themselves are very difficult to
actually find in scrapings because usually there are very few bugs
actually living on the rat.

I had "problems" with the Ivermectin paste. Everything turned out
fine, but the scare alone made me swear to never use the paste again.
The liquid, injectable used orally, is easier to dispense the correct
dose, but it is also pretty expensive. $10 for the paste/$60 for the
injectable liquid (to be used orally).  I, too, think Revolution from
your vet is the best bet.
 
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