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perigrine - 23 Apr 2008 22:10 GMT
So yesterday Atlas was euthanaised due to becoming increasingly
nasty.

I think he was overly territorial, coz he would always do this little
dance and then try and bite. It was getting so bad that I had becoming
more and more reluctant to put my hands in the cage for cleaning and
so forth. It culmulated yesterday with him attacking, literally, a
friend and then when I was going to put him back in the cage, him
biting me rather savagely.

His mother was also inclined to be bitey, so now I am wondering
whether the remaining boys will also turn nasty, and whether they
should be euthanaised BEFORE they do. They are almost a year old.

thoughts, opinions?
Mandie @k@ Zepherous - 24 Apr 2008 03:13 GMT
So sorry to hear that, I once had a girl who was very aggressive, gardening
gloves were a must
but it was a shame that she never experienced the closeness that my others
have.
I would not euthanize the remaining boys, there is always the possibility
there was a health issue
with Atlas possibly neurological.
If you feel nervous of the other boys becoming that way maybe rehoming would
be an option, they
would sense if you became nervous of handling them.

> So yesterday Atlas was euthanaised due to becoming increasingly
> nasty.
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> thoughts, opinions?
perigrine - 24 Apr 2008 03:42 GMT
I thought of rehoming them, but if they DO end up biting, then I will
have just transferred the issue, and I don't think I could do that -
even if the new owners knew about it. I'll keep an eye/ear on the rest
to see if there is any more aggression issues for now though.

> So sorry to hear that, I once had a girl who was very aggressive, gardening
> gloves were a must
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> > thoughts, opinions?
Marlo - 24 Apr 2008 04:02 GMT
I'd give them a chance to see how they turn out.

I'm having a super aggressive rat issue, Bernard. Adopted from Humane
Society, we estimate he is about 1.  I was trying to introduce him to
the other boys and he got in a scuffle and I very stupidly intervened
with my hand.  Well, Bernard chomped down hard on my right ring finger.
 It's been three weeks and I still can't feel the end of my finger, he
must have done some nerve damage. I went to the doctor and got
antibiotics and a tetanus booster the day after it happened.  He makes
happy rat noise on my shoulder sometimes, but during playtime, he just
goes after my hands and feet for no reason.  He's also very territorial
about his cage.  He lives alone.  I don't know if I'm making headway
with him or not, and I don't know if rats can be rehabilitated.

It's a very tough call and I'm sorry you are going through this.

-Marlo

> So yesterday Atlas was euthanaised due to becoming increasingly
> nasty.
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>
> thoughts, opinions?
perigrine - 24 Apr 2008 04:50 GMT
Atlas had always lived with his brothers, so I am not sure how he
could be territorial. Unless that's why? He couldn't 'control' his
brothers so he uh..'took it out on me'?

> I'd give them a chance to see how they turn out.
>
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> -Marlo
The Rat Lord - 29 Apr 2008 11:56 GMT
> I'd give them a chance to see how they turn out.
>
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>
> -Marlo

do you know anything about his previous owner? it sounds as if he was
neglected.
perigrine - 30 Apr 2008 03:55 GMT
> > I'd give them a chance to see how they turn out.
>
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> do you know anything about his previous owner? it sounds as if he was
> neglected.

He didn't have one. He was born here, and had been handled since
birth, by me.

His mum was a biter, and I know sensible breeders don't like to breed
males until they are over a year old to make sure he doesn't exhibit
any negative tendencies - like biting. I'm inclined to think Atlas
inherited this behavior.
The Rat Lord - 02 May 2008 11:09 GMT
>> > I'd give them a chance to see how they turn out.
>>
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> any negative tendencies - like biting. I'm inclined to think Atlas
> inherited this behavior.

oops, my mistake. for some reason i had it in my head that you had adopted
when he was a year old. not sure why i thought that.
Marlo - 03 May 2008 03:09 GMT
Hi Rat Lord-you were confused bc I adopted Bernard at one year old.
Perigrine had Atlas since birth.

Bernard's former owner gave him up bc he was being aggressive with her
other rat and she didn't have enough time to spend with him.  I wonder
about abuse or if he was just poorly socialized. I really don't know if
he's getting any better.  He does like to go for shoulder rides, though.

-Marlo

>>>> I'd give them a chance to see how they turn out.
>>>> I'm having a super aggressive rat issue, Bernard. Adopted from Humane
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> oops, my mistake. for some reason i had it in my head that you had adopted
> when he was a year old. not sure why i thought that.
The Rat Lord - 09 May 2008 10:02 GMT
> Hi Rat Lord-you were confused bc I adopted Bernard at one year old.
> Perigrine had Atlas since birth.
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>
> -Marlo

ahhh... my mistake...

>>>>> I'd give them a chance to see how they turn out.
>>>>> I'm having a super aggressive rat issue, Bernard. Adopted from Humane
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>> oops, my mistake. for some reason i had it in my head that you had
>> adopted when he was a year old. not sure why i thought that.
Kate - 26 Apr 2008 04:43 GMT
If it were me?... I would take extra time out to love the others with
lots and lots of handling and time spent down your top.  It would seem
odd if they did actually become agressive at that age as they are past
puberty.  If they did it would be some sort of neurological problem.  I
would definitely up the handling time and take it from there.

Regards Kate

> So yesterday Atlas was euthanaised due to becoming increasingly
> nasty.
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>
> thoughts, opinions?
perigrine - 27 Apr 2008 23:37 GMT
Yeah, that sound ideal, except I am probably overly cautious now and
don't relish the idea of getting bitten. The old once bitten twice shy
thing - though intellectually I know the main/only biter isn't there
any more. Atlas' brothers being the same color as he doesn't help
matters either. :s

> If it were me?... I would take extra time out to love the others with
> lots and lots of handling and time spent down your top.  It would seem
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>
> Regards Kate
The Rat Lord - 29 Apr 2008 12:00 GMT
> Yeah, that sound ideal, except I am probably overly cautious now and
> don't relish the idea of getting bitten. The old once bitten twice shy
> thing - though intellectually I know the main/only biter isn't there
> any more. Atlas' brothers being the same color as he doesn't help
> matters either. :s

they'll sense that fear. you must be very careful. a rat should always
respect the hand and never think that the hand fears them. the hand must be
all powerful in the rat's world.
Kate - 26 Apr 2008 04:45 GMT
I forgot to ask if they were neutered?  Neutering does wonders to
problem males :)

> So yesterday Atlas was euthanaised due to becoming increasingly
> nasty.
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>
> thoughts, opinions?
perigrine - 27 Apr 2008 23:34 GMT
No, they aren't neutered. Would cost more than its worth.

> I forgot to ask if they were neutered?  Neutering does wonders to
> problem males :)
Mandie @k@ Zepherous - 28 Apr 2008 05:03 GMT
It would be best if you re-home them in that case, sorry to be harsh but
that statement shows you really don't care enough to give them a chance.
(and yes I do expect to be flamed but that's my honest opinion) I would give
my last for my boys.

> No, they aren't neutered. Would cost more than its worth.
>
>> I forgot to ask if they were neutered?  Neutering does wonders to
>> problem males :)
perigrine - 28 Apr 2008 07:43 GMT
You are entitlied to your own opinion, and thats what I asked for.
However, I fail to see the point in spending hundreds of dollars on
something that may not work. To *me* it seems pointless when that
money could be better spend on feeding/housing.

In all honesty I would rather spend 12$ to get them put down humanely
than 180$+ and a possible new home. This is *MY* opnion, and no one
else has to agree with it.

> It would be best if you re-home them in that case, sorry to be harsh but
> that statement shows you really don't care enough to give them a chance.
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Rosemary - 27 Apr 2008 13:55 GMT
> So yesterday Atlas was euthanaised due to becoming increasingly
> nasty.
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>
> thoughts, opinions?

I would agree with other posters and recommend you give them a chance. I
used to own two rats who were mother and daughter and couldn' have been
more different. The mother was an incredibly friendly, bright and
trustworthy rat who never bit once in her life, but the daughter was
vicious and would run over to you to bite you.

Rosemary
The Rat Lord - 29 Apr 2008 11:39 GMT
> So yesterday Atlas was euthanaised due to becoming increasingly
> nasty.
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>
> thoughts, opinions?

not necessarily, but it has been shown that aggressive tendencies can be
hereditary in rats. so keep your eye on them.
The Rat Lord - 29 Apr 2008 11:51 GMT
> So yesterday Atlas was euthanaised due to becoming increasingly
> nasty.
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>
> thoughts, opinions?

btw, this is controversial, but in the future one way to deal with an
aggressive rat is to return the aggression when the rat first begins to
exhibit these tendencies. there are plenty of ways to do this without
actually physically harming the rat. one method that works is holding the
rat by the scruff of skin on his/her back and, keeping a safe enough
distance, hold the rat up near your face and yell very loudly at it. this
sounds silly but after doing this to a rat that bit me once, the rat never
bit me again for the rest of his life and even though he was only a rat, i
swore that i saw shame in his little eyes. and it worked out good because
there was no need to put him down, like you had to do.

of course some rats are just born bad. the only time i have ever put down a
rat for being aggressive was when one of my babies at only 4 weeks old!!!
went completely nuts and started attacking me whenever my hand was near it.
i had never before and have never since seen anything like it.
jennjenn84 - 12 May 2008 06:53 GMT
I dont agree with what someone said about the whole fact that 'giving up a
rat that is aggressive/wanting to put him down shows that you dont have
enough care for the rat'.  Honestly, there is no place in a home for an
agressive rat.  I also agree that paying 300-600 to have a rat fixed is
completely crazy!  I wouldnt pay that to get any other pet fixed either.  I
think you did the right thing by putting him down.
 
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