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3 1/2 yrold rat losing weight help

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doodle - 17 Dec 2003 17:28 GMT
my girl is losing weight, she lives with two other rats they all seem fine,
i have taken her to the vets twice as i can see and feel she is losing
weight but the vet cannot find anything wrong with her, except the weight
loss.
Is this an age thing? i've had other rats that have lost weight but they
have had myco which was the cause of weight loss, i cannot find anything as
to why she is losing weight, she's eating drinking as active as always, i
can't feel any lumps or bumps. the only thing that has changed is that we
have moved house but that was 7 months ago, this has only been going on for
3.
she does not seem stressed i'm stumped anybody have any ideas here as to
what it is?

thanks deb.
Mark Thompson - 17 Dec 2003 17:45 GMT
> my girl is losing weight, she lives with two other rats they all seem fine,
> i have taken her to the vets twice as i can see and feel she is losing
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> she does not seem stressed i'm stumped anybody have any ideas here as to
> what it is?

Three and a half!  Crumbs that's old.  Try giving her something like
ferretvite or Nutrical (I think it's called that).  They come in large
toothpaste tube thingies and are designed to help sick animals put on weight
and get lots of vitamins.  You may need to squidge a bit onto your rats lips
so she finds out how nice it tastes - I don't think it smells great, but the
way my rat went for it once they've tasted they love it.
Dave Ryman - 17 Dec 2003 22:30 GMT
>> my girl is losing weight, she lives with two other rats they all seem
> fine,
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> smells great, but the way my rat went for it once they've tasted they
> love it.

Very old for a rat - you must be doing something right!

Has the vet suggested a course of Baytril? Could be an infection
somewhere that's putting your ratty off his/her food.

Does he/she eat? If so, could be worms or something I guess (never heard
of this occuring in rats, but then I'm no great expert). I would try hand
feeding lots of treats - preferably with some healthy stuff in there
(popping corn, banana and so on). Ours love fruit baby food.

Good luck

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Kate - 18 Dec 2003 00:43 GMT
What a great age for your Rattie...:)

I am ever hopeful my eldest wee man will make it to 3 in April.  I have
noticed over the past few weeks that he is slowing down, losing weight and
not eating much.  Apart from this he is a healthy old fella.  I think this
may just be a part of the aging process...:(

Regards Kate
> my girl is losing weight, she lives with two other rats they all seem fine,
> i have taken her to the vets twice as i can see and feel she is losing
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> thanks deb.
J&S Bouchard - 18 Dec 2003 03:15 GMT
> my girl is losing weight, she lives with two other rats they all seem fine,
> i have taken her to the vets twice as i can see and feel she is losing
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>
> thanks deb.

Your girl is old indeed... lucky you to have them live this long...what is
your secret? I think her losing weight is a normal process but I would still
try to feed her extra. Try giving her baby food and warm oatmeal with
bananas. My Benny who is only 2 years old had started losing weight and I
put him on baby food, oatmeal, bananas... lots of soft stuff. It seems that
he just gets tired of eating the harder stuff but really laps up the soft
food. Give that a try and see... Benny has gained weight again, maybe it
will help your girl too.
Keep us posted please!
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Janine - 18 Dec 2003 06:47 GMT
I too think it's just the aging process.  I noticed it in my girls in their
little hips.  I fed mine baby food custard or the oatmeal.  The baby food
oatmeal powdered is less expensive than the jars if it's something you
continue to do.  I also had to give Baytril for so long that I found mixing
Boost or one of the other drinks for weight gain was something they liked.
Just not too much every day (messes w/their tummies).  I even tried a small
blob of vanilla ice-cream (makes me gain weight).  Good luck and keep us
posted.  Janine

> > my girl is losing weight, she lives with two other rats they all seem
> fine,
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> will help your girl too.
> Keep us posted please!
doodle - 18 Dec 2003 09:04 GMT
thanks for all your advice.
my rat did go on a course of baytril just in case but no there was no
improvement in her weight.

i have tried giving treats, but i have to be careful as i already have an
overweight rat and she is in the same cage as the rat losing weight and as
you know you cannot give one with out the other even though it is half of
it!

maybe i should try more softer foods, but trying to feed 7 of them won't be
easy but i am sure it will be worth it.
I'm a little fearful that giving something new may upset her tummy, i
certainly don't won't her to lose more weight, a little at a time should be
alright shouldn't it?

Deb.

> I too think it's just the aging process.  I noticed it in my girls in their
> little hips.  I fed mine baby food custard or the oatmeal.  The baby food
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elegy - 18 Dec 2003 12:11 GMT
will she take food outside of the cage? or maybe you could put the
rest of the rats out and give her special food while she's in there
alone, and then take it out when she's finished eating?

i've also used soy baby formula for old rats losing weight. they seem
to love it. very high in fat though so you don't want your already
overweight ratty getting it! strawberry ensure was another big hit.

unless you go really overboard, i don't think she'll have a problem
with an upset tummy.

3 and a half is really impressive. good on you :)

>thanks for all your advice.
>my rat did go on a course of baytril just in case but no there was no
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>Deb.

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J&S Bouchard - 18 Dec 2003 12:20 GMT
> thanks for all your advice.
> my rat did go on a course of baytril just in case but no there was no
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> Deb.

Take the old girl out when feeding time and try and feed her separately.
Offer the old girl her regular food at the same time of softer foods. That
way, she can still have the regular food if she so chooses.
Can you keep the old girl in a separate care, or separate part of the cage
with a buddy just so she can gain weight? Your old girl will never have the
soft food if you are going to feed it to the whole gang, she'll be too slow
to get to it and it will be all gone. Also, I've noticed when they are old,
they will eat, go for a nap come back and eat again.
By the way, what's her name?
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doodle - 18 Dec 2003 15:25 GMT
this dear girl is called "squeaky", she was a rescue from a child who kept
her, apparently she used to bite not surprised with what was going on there,
unfortunately I have rescued 4 of her rats and now thank god she is not
allowed any more, the rescue rats are so special as they all are but you
notice the difference I want to give as much as I can for her.

she is  very close to her cage mates it's out of the question to be
separated that would cause too much stress, she gets her food god forbid
anything getting in her way so she couldn't get it.
she's keen on yoghurt is that good for building up?

~Deb

> > thanks for all your advice.
> > my rat did go on a course of baytril just in case but no there was no
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J&S Bouchard - 18 Dec 2003 15:42 GMT
> this dear girl is called "squeaky", she was a rescue from a child who kept
> her, apparently she used to bite not surprised with what was going on there,
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>
> ~Deb

Yogurt is good, but I would still add baby food and oatmeal... they'll go
nuts. :)
You can give all kinds...even pablum. If she's really underweight, you could
buy some nutrical and put some on a cracker for her.
Nutrical is for sickly cats or dogs so it contains a lot of nutrients and
protein to help with weight gain.
Good luck for Squeaky, and bless your heart for rescuing these ladies!
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doodle - 19 Dec 2003 17:42 GMT
ok I managed to get some 'ferretvite' after trying 4 different pet shops!
how much do you give, on the tube it says 1teaspoon per pound, she is no
where near that and at a guess she prob' weighs about a dessert spoon, she
has lost about half her weight if not more.

I gave her some I think she would of had the whole tube! gave about a
quarter of a teaspoon, is it ok to give indefinitely or not is that amount
about right or would you give more.

~Deb

> > this dear girl is called "squeaky", she was a rescue from a child who kept
> > her, apparently she used to bite not surprised with what was going on
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J&S Bouchard - 19 Dec 2003 19:21 GMT
> ok I managed to get some 'ferretvite' after trying 4 different pet shops!
> how much do you give, on the tube it says 1teaspoon per pound, she is no
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>
> ~Deb

I would give only a small amount each day. I'm not too sure if too much is
bad. When my rats lost weight, I gave some 3 times a week, along with eggs,
tuna, chicken, yogurt, baby food, oatmeal...
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doodle - 24 Dec 2003 21:13 GMT
well sueaky is doing ok but i have not notice any weight gain plus she did
have a slight ipset tummy when i gave her the ferretvite, have cut down on
the amount and how often i give her i hope this will be better for her.

its sad for me to say i just think that now she is a downward slope fingers
crossed she's here for a while yet.

deb.

> ok I managed to get some 'ferretvite' after trying 4 different pet shops!
> how much do you give, on the tube it says 1teaspoon per pound, she is no
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J&S Bouchard - 25 Dec 2003 17:34 GMT
> well sueaky is doing ok but i have not notice any weight gain plus she did
> have a slight ipset tummy when i gave her the ferretvite, have cut down on
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> deb.

Crosses fingers and all tails here too... just love her and cuddle her and
know that she had a wonderful life with you.
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Kate - 19 Dec 2003 22:41 GMT
I give all my boys, Gizmo included.. A Babies first cereal called "Farex"
the young guys get a large bowl full a day and Giz has his own saucer
full... It seems he eats more of that now than his grains... and I too have
noticed how he will eat and sleep alternately through the day..:)  Bless his
furry britches..  Squeaky sounds so much like Giz..:)

Regards Kate.

> this dear girl is called "squeaky", she was a rescue from a child who kept
> her, apparently she used to bite not surprised with what was going on there,
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Tracey - 20 Dec 2003 10:53 GMT
> my girl is losing weight, she lives with two other rats they all seem fine,
> i have taken her to the vets twice as i can see and feel she is losing
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>
> thanks deb.

Not been on-line for a few days (had my modem cable bitten through by one of
my boys!) so I'm a bit late here.  The others have made excellent
suggestions already.  I agree with the weight loss being an age thing.  Good
on you for rescuing the ratties, by the way.  When one of my boys needed to
put on weight I found he loved mashed potato with a little marg and milk,
baby foods and a bit of chocolate milkshake now and again.  I would take him
out of his cage and sit him on the chair with me whilst he ate his bowl of
high calorie food whilst another bowl containing low-calorie food was put in
the cage for my other 'chubby' boy - this way they both got their individual
requirements without feeling left out!

Hope Squeeky manages to gain a little weight, I'm sure with everybody's
suggestions she will.  Let us know how she gets on.

Tracey
 
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