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Dave Ryman - 17 Dec 2003 22:54 GMT
As many of you are probably aware, from previous postings from myself and
Rosemary, Stripe has recently had an operation to remove a breast tumour.

She has been back to the vet several times since, because of
complications in the healing of the wound, which has now opened up in a
2mm section twice now. The first time, the vet had her back under another
general anesthetic, and restitched (followed up by "second skin"). She
soon had that off, and it opened up again.

This is effectively a hole in her tummy through her skin (and bodywall?).
The vet won't stitch it again until the infection has cleared. The vet
has us giving her baytril once a day, and irrigating the wound with a 5%
solution of Hibiscrub(?) twice a day in an attempt to rid her of
infection before closing the wound.

I'm surprised that the vet hasn't given her a topical depot injection of
antibiotic, or drawn off any fluid. But I guess we have to trust their
expertise.

Anyone have any further advice? We're keeping her seperate from the other
rats in a sterlised cage. Has anyone seen a wound like this before, and
if so, how did it heal? I am sceptical that a restitch will work, since I
would have thought that the seperated skin would have healed open.

I am also concerned about her having a third general anesthetic - I know
there are risks, and she's no puppy. A third one in such a short time
seems to be pushing the odds a bit too much. I would rather stick the
wound with superglue than risk that again (joking about the Superglue!).
We see the vet for a checkup again in a couple of days - we will discuss
the options then.

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J&S Bouchard - 18 Dec 2003 03:13 GMT
> As many of you are probably aware, from previous postings from myself and
> Rosemary, Stripe has recently had an operation to remove a breast tumour.
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> We see the vet for a checkup again in a couple of days - we will discuss
> the options then.

Ah poor sweet thing... Flushing the open sore is the best thing for sure...
The vet is right in not closing it up. You really want the infection flushed
out. Flushing it as many times a day would be good. Flushing the wound will
also help in keeping the skin alive.
If the vet thinks that a third anesthesia will be fine for her than I would
go for it. Better to have the rat sleepy than to fight the procedure. I'm
sure they are not put down that deeply when it's for a stitch. Baytril
should help with the infection too.
Many many healing vibes and prayers are sent your way.
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Janine - 18 Dec 2003 06:34 GMT
You may be joking about the glue but if I remember correctly my vet used a
form of glue on one of my girls and the "glue-stitches" were sort of on the
inside.  I can't remember if she also used regular stitches on the outside
also.  Sorry I can't remember better but after 7 rats and at least 6 tumor
surgeries and other various illnesses I'm a little fuzzy on details.  I
dread older age in my current gang of 20!  I do remember gasping when one of
my vets started stitching my Lilly up with barely any anesthesia.  He said
their nerves are very deep and it was ok (and she was).  So positive rattie
thoughts from my gang to Stripe!

> > As many of you are probably aware, from previous postings from myself and
> > Rosemary, Stripe has recently had an operation to remove a breast tumour.
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> should help with the infection too.
> Many many healing vibes and prayers are sent your way.
Dave Ryman - 18 Dec 2003 07:46 GMT
> You may be joking about the glue but if I remember correctly my vet
> used a form of glue on one of my girls and the "glue-stitches" were
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>> Baytril should help with the infection too.
>> Many many healing vibes and prayers are sent your way.

Thanks all

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J&S Bouchard - 18 Dec 2003 12:15 GMT
> You may be joking about the glue but if I remember correctly my vet used a
> form of glue on one of my girls and the "glue-stitches" were sort of on the
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> their nerves are very deep and it was ok (and she was).  So positive rattie
> thoughts from my gang to Stripe!

It's surgical glue and rats have no pain receptors in their skin.
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Janine - 20 Dec 2003 07:02 GMT
Thanks Joanne.  That glue just saved a lot of heartache over ripped
stitches.

> > You may be joking about the glue but if I remember correctly my vet used a
> > form of glue on one of my girls and the "glue-stitches" were sort of on
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>
> It's surgical glue and rats have no pain receptors in their skin.
elegy - 18 Dec 2003 12:16 GMT
i'd be worried about the baytril only being given once a day. rats
have such a fast metabolism that i've always seen it recommended twice
a day.

maybe they could staple the incision shut next time around? i've not
had experience with staples, but i know a lot of people insist that
they work much better than sutures, especially for rats who won't
leave it alone.

tissue glue might also be an option. i'd definitely talk to the vet.

good luck with stripe!!

>As many of you are probably aware, from previous postings from myself and
>Rosemary, Stripe has recently had an operation to remove a breast tumour.
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>We see the vet for a checkup again in a couple of days - we will discuss
>the options then.

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Parahandy - 20 Dec 2003 16:42 GMT
We've just had one of our Females "Lilly"to the vets for a removal of a
growth.  She came back from the vets with the wound stapled up, this is
about the 3rd Rat that we have had recovering with staples in.
They seem pretty resilient creatures, apart from a couple of them pulling
out the staples when they got home no problems.
Never had any with Stitches or the glue thing!!!!
> i'd be worried about the baytril only being given once a day. rats
> have such a fast metabolism that i've always seen it recommended twice
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Dave Ryman - 20 Dec 2003 23:24 GMT
> We've just had one of our Females "Lilly"to the vets for a removal of
> a growth.  She came back from the vets with the wound stapled up, this
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Thanks again for all the good vibes going to stripe. The wound has been
looking cleaner, but I'm not sure about it tonight - either a narrow stip
of dead or infected tissue - She sees the vet again on Monday - We'll
keep you all posted.

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Tracey - 20 Dec 2003 10:54 GMT
Sending well-wishes to little Stripe.

Tracey
 
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