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Introducing strange rat to present one.

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Kelly - 19 Feb 2004 16:27 GMT
I think I've decided to get my Lucy a playmate.  I went to the petstore
yesterday and the only females they had were one's with babies.  I checked
out the babies and there were some with full fur and their eyes were just
opening.  The girl said that I could come back in a week to put a hold on
one and then hopefully pick it up a week or so after that (whenever the
babies are eating solid food).  Hopefully there is a female somewhere in the
bunch of babies.

So here's the deal.  I've had Lucy for about 6 months, her actual age is
probably about 8 months.  She has always lived by herself.

Do older rats accept real young ones okay?  Is there a special procedure I
should follow when introducing the youngin' to Lucy?  Will Lucy eventually
accept the new one, even if there is fighting at first?

Thanks for any insight,
K.
Mark Thompson - 19 Feb 2004 19:44 GMT
> Do older rats accept real young ones okay?  Is there a special procedure I
> should follow when introducing the youngin' to Lucy?  Will Lucy eventually
> accept the new one, even if there is fighting at first?

I asked about this on the group absolutely a-g-e-s ago and am only just able to
get some more rats now.  The consensus was that it was relatively simple, and
even easier when introducing girls.  Unsurprisingly males are the ones that are
the most difficult to introduce and if you follow the usual steps outlined on
the various websites out there it should be no problem with your girls.

Do a google for 'introducing rats' and they'll be squillions of sites to look at
and learn from.

Let us now how it goes!

Mark.
Ollie - 20 Feb 2004 00:00 GMT
All I can say is it is way way easier to introduce babies to older Rats...:)
I have done it with all my boys so far.  Rodney is of course the exception
as he is 1yr old and set in his ways..:((

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> I think I've decided to get my Lucy a playmate.  I went to the petstore
> yesterday and the only females they had were one's with babies.  I checked
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> Thanks for any insight,
> K.
J&S Bouchard - 20 Feb 2004 02:24 GMT
> I think I've decided to get my Lucy a playmate.  I went to the petstore
> yesterday and the only females they had were one's with babies.  I checked
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> Thanks for any insight,
> K.

Hi Kelly,
I would recommend getting two babies, this way they will be able to ward off
any offensive acts from the old girl. But usually, girls will accept new
cagemates easier. I would recommend keeping the babies in a separate cage
until you do intros. Intros should be done on a neutral place... do as many
as they need, Lucy may take to them immediately and so you can go the next
step of thoroughly cleaning Lucy's cage and changing it around a little, put
the babies in while Lucy is having some out time. Then add Lucy after the
babies had the chance to put their scent in there.
By the way, if the babies eyes are just opening, this means they are 17 days
old. They will eat solids at 3 weeks but it is not recommended to remove
them from their mother before age of 4 weeks.
Good luck!
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Kelly - 20 Feb 2004 03:41 GMT
> Hi Kelly,
> I would recommend getting two babies, this way they will be able to ward off
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> them from their mother before age of 4 weeks.
> Good luck!

Unfortunately, I don't have room for two more.... just one.  The cage would
not be big enough.
Oh well!

K.
J&S Bouchard - 20 Feb 2004 13:15 GMT
> Unfortunately, I don't have room for two more.... just one.  The cage would
> not be big enough.
> Oh well!
>
> K.

Oh, I see... well you can try just one, but your older girl may get annoyed
with the younger one, but then again, your old girl, isn't really old. 8
months old is barely reaching adulthood...
I applaud you for limiting yourself, knowing that your cage could not handle
anymore babies. Cage size is very important when deciding on rats. Cage size
can also play a role if rats will fight or not.
Let us know how it all goes...
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Kelly - 20 Feb 2004 19:41 GMT
> > Unfortunately, I don't have room for two more.... just one.  The cage
> would
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> can also play a role if rats will fight or not.
> Let us know how it all goes...

If it were completely up to me, I would go out and buy a cage twice the size
and go ahead with getting two more.  However my fiancee is not fond of rats
and I feel like he's already doing me a favour my letting me have Lucy in
addition to two cats (I'm an animal freak).  So I'm kind of already breaking
the law by getting a second one... but I figure what's the big deal...
they're in the same cage so it shouldn't make that much of a difference.
Just clean out the cage twice a week instead of once.  However if I came
home with a whole new cage and TWO new ones, I don't think he would like
that at all... :-)  I just really want Lucy to have more fun...    The
tradition will probably continue.  Once Lucy dies I will get another baby
for the one that is left.

K.
Rodentology Student - 20 Feb 2004 19:54 GMT
> If it were completely up to me, I would go out and buy a cage twice the size
> and go ahead with getting two more.  However my fiancee is not fond of rats
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> K.

If your husband is not allergic and you are not using his money than by all
means go ahead and get 2 more ratties and a new cage.  You can also mod the
cages to join up with a ferret tube.

It is your money to do with as you wish--spend it on things that make you
happy.

I can't stand reading about "hubbies" who enforce such rules against having
animals.  They don't have to go near them or touch them or even care for
them, geesh.

My husband was the same way but I didn't listen and now he's totally in love
with them.
Mark Thompson - 20 Feb 2004 21:02 GMT
> I can't stand reading about "hubbies" who enforce such rules against having
> animals.  They don't have to go near them or touch them or even care for
> them, geesh.

My girlfriend was the same - and she didn't even live with me!  Fortunately the
fairer sex have witterings almost as high pitched as my rats so was blissfully
unaware of most of it ;-)
Ollie - 20 Feb 2004 22:04 GMT
LMAO  !!

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Tracey - 23 Feb 2004 11:29 GMT
> > I can't stand reading about "hubbies" who enforce such rules against having
> > animals.  They don't have to go near them or touch them or even care for
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> fairer sex have witterings almost as high pitched as my rats so was blissfully
> unaware of most of it ;-)

LOL!!! :oD

Tracey
J&S Bouchard - 20 Feb 2004 21:36 GMT
> I can't stand reading about "hubbies" who enforce such rules against having
> animals.  They don't have to go near them or touch them or even care for
> them, geesh.
>
> My husband was the same way but I didn't listen and now he's totally in love
> with them.

lol, you are lucky to stand up for what you want. Most people don't, most
people can't. As for me, hubby is not an animal lover... except for maybe
our dog. In the end, I have 1 dog, 2 hammies, 3 cats, 4 rabbits and 14 rats.
Hehehe... all to hubby's dismay... but he's good about it. ;)
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Ollie - 20 Feb 2004 22:06 GMT
It is a case of love me love my animals...:))  No if ands buts or maybes
about that, I am loved for ALL my qualities (Rat Addiction included)..:)
Have a good weekend all.

Regard Kate

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> Hehehe... all to hubby's dismay... but he's good about it. ;)
Ollie - 20 Feb 2004 22:04 GMT
LOL.... Glad you said that instead of me, but I totally agree 100%..:)  He
doesn't have to do anything with them so I can't see how its any of his
business?

Regards Kate

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Kelly - 20 Feb 2004 22:24 GMT
> LOL.... Glad you said that instead of me, but I totally agree 100%..:)  He
> doesn't have to do anything with them so I can't see how its any of his
> business?

Any of his business?!?!  He does live in the same house.

K.
Ollie - 20 Feb 2004 23:45 GMT
so?.... he still doesn't have to have anything to do with them..:)

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Kelly - 20 Feb 2004 22:23 GMT
> If your husband is not allergic and you are not using his money than by all
> means go ahead and get 2 more ratties and a new cage.  You can also mod the
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> My husband was the same way but I didn't listen and now he's totally in love
> with them.

He thinks Lucy is cute, but doesn't want any more.  Sure, it's my money, but
he bought the house, so to buy a whole new cage and take up MORE of the Den,
wouldn't be too great.  He doesn't have "rules", I just respect how he
feels.

 I don't feel he's holding me back... he let me have Lucy and I'm glad
about that.  I don't think he'll mind one new addition.

Moving on....

K.
Sue Schultz - 20 Feb 2004 02:29 GMT
When you do decide to get a playmate for Lucy, get 2 babies...I've never had
trouble introducing babies to an adult.  Do it slow like you would for any
other meeting.  Babies are much easier.  The reason why I say get 2
is.....Lucy will die much sooner then the baby....God forbid, when that
happens, the baby will still have a mate and won't have to be
alone...........
Sue
> I think I've decided to get my Lucy a playmate.  I went to the petstore
> yesterday and the only females they had were one's with babies.  I checked
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> Thanks for any insight,
> K.
Mariette - 20 Feb 2004 04:07 GMT
>When you do decide to get a playmate for Lucy, get 2 babies...I've never had
>trouble introducing babies to an adult.  Do it slow like you would for any
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>alone...........
>Sue

It also helps in that the two little whippersnappers will have someone
else at their energy level to play with when the older one starts to
lose patience with youngster shenanigans.  

We did this with our older guy when his former cagemate died --
introduced two new little buddies -- and it's worked out very well.

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>> I think I've decided to get my Lucy a playmate.  I went to the petstore
>> yesterday and the only females they had were one's with babies.  I checked
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>> Thanks for any insight,
>> K.
Tracey - 23 Feb 2004 11:51 GMT
> I think I've decided to get my Lucy a playmate.  I went to the petstore
> yesterday and the only females they had were one's with babies.  I checked
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> Thanks for any insight,
> K.

As the others have said, it's easier introducing females and especially
babies, so I don't think you'll have any problems.  Having said that I've
introduced males and never had the slightest problems.  I even introduced
two adult males with no problems.  What I do is introduce on neutral
territory and make sure when I put the rats back in the cage I watch them
like a hawk, just in case there are any problems.  For the first few nights
I take the cage with me to the bedroom and put it next to me on the bedside
table, so that I am right there if needed.  I'm a light sleeper and wake up
at the slightest squeek!

As I said above, I've never had any problems introducing, none of my ratties
have ever fought - guess I've been lucky.  What I did find was that for the
first few days some of my rats snubbed the newcomer - wherever the new rat
went the other would avoid.  This only lasted a few days though, and by the
end of the first week they have always been the best of friends, snuggling
together to sleep.

Tracey
Ollie - 23 Feb 2004 23:32 GMT
Now that's the kind of happy ending I want for Rodney and Gizmo..:)

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Tracey - 24 Feb 2004 11:58 GMT
> Now that's the kind of happy ending I want for Rodney and Gizmo..:)

I'm sure it will come with time Kate.  Fingers crossed!

Tracey
Klary - 23 Feb 2004 15:57 GMT
Now here's a funny story about rats moving in together.. when I had my
previous rats, I had a friend who also had two female rats. When he
went on holiday I was going to rat-sit, so we just put them all
together in one cage. What did we know that there was such a thing as
an "introduction"... scrubbing down cages, neutral territory etc.. we
just never thought about it.. within 5 minutes they were all 4
snuggled up together in the flowerpot.
For the next two years, whenever one uf us went away, we put them
together. In a cage that was way too small for the 4 of them I have to
admit.. but there never was any problem. Guess we were just lucky!

Klary

> I think I've decided to get my Lucy a playmate.  I went to the petstore
> yesterday and the only females they had were one's with babies.  I checked
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> Thanks for any insight,
> K.
Ollie - 23 Feb 2004 23:33 GMT
Now who says Ignorance isn't bliss..LOL...:)  How lovely !

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> Now here's a funny story about rats moving in together.. when I had my
> previous rats, I had a friend who also had two female rats. When he
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> > K.
J&S Bouchard - 25 Feb 2004 15:19 GMT
> Now here's a funny story about rats moving in together.. when I had my
> previous rats, I had a friend who also had two female rats. When he
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> Klary

That's the thing with females. Hehehe, they are much more accepting. My
sister has 12 girl, and never did intros. And it all went well too.
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