Is Asprin safe?
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Susan Aplin - 24 Apr 2004 19:36 GMT Hi everyone, I think i remember reading on this group some time ago that junior aspirin or paracetemol can be used a pain reliever for rats.Our Max has had a fall and although we cannot see any sign of injury he seems to be limping.Obviously i would take him to the vet if there was any serious injury but i think he just may have sprained it.Is it ok to give him junior aspirin ?Is paracetemol better and how much should he be given?I would really appreciate your input on this.I would only use it if it was 100% safe to do so.Thanks Sue x
J&S Bouchard - 24 Apr 2004 19:47 GMT > Hi everyone, > I think i remember reading on this group some time ago that junior aspirin [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to do so.Thanks > Sue x Hi Susan, your poor little guy will soon recover... he would recover best if you could place him in a no level home for a wee bit of time. Anything to stop him from using his leg. Baby aspirin can be giving to him. On PRC, an excellent rat forum mentions that a vet prescribed 60mg of baby aspirin every 4 hours for a 1lb rat, only if he seems in pain. Sending healing vibes for little Max!!
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paghat - 24 Apr 2004 22:32 GMT > > Hi everyone, > > I think i remember reading on this group some time ago that junior aspirin [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > every 4 hours for a 1lb rat, only if he seems in pain. > Sending healing vibes for little Max!! Excellent rat forum my a.s! Not with advice like that which didn't get corrected by ten horrified people who know better.
Aspirin has no pain relieving effect on rats. If it did, it would only keep the rat from taking care of its injury until it healed; if pain is not severe (thus requiring emergency veterinarian care) it should not be treated with anything at all, because them knowing to limp means they know to take care of their injury until it is better. Aspirin won't lessen pain, but it will increase risk of bleeding disorders & will slow healing of wounds. Here's tthe best, shortest profesional answer to the question:
"It has been determined that household drugs such as ibuprofen, aspirin, and acetaminophen have no real effect on rat pain due to their high metabolic rate and, therefore, should not be used. Heavy duty opioid analgesics such as Butorphanol and Morphine administered frequently are considered necessry in cases of severe pain. Less severe pain should not be treated with medication at all as the pain ensures that the rat will stay calm and speed the healing process." [-Mary Ann Isaksen and Diane Newburg, RMCA].
And here's A REPOST: ASPIRIN & PET RATS:
It is pointless to use aspirin for pain relief in a pet rat when no such relief can be delivered to a rat.
By & large, use of random household drugs for pet rats should be considered severe abuse & neglect. If a rat is in sufficient pain to require pain relief, then it is in sufficient pain to take to a vet. Even if aspirin worked for pain in rats, which it does not, it would only encourage the animal to injure itself by not carring sufficiently for its own injury. Aspirin is not as toxic for pets as are the majority of aspirin substitutes such as Tylonol, but it is still pretty bad. Every year many children and pets die of aspirin overdoses and side effects. Even small doses can be poisonous to pets. There's no way around it; it is irresponsible to give it to pets or even to children without professional medical guidance, which should never be forthcoming for treatment of pain since it will not work, but there are medical conditions that MIGHT justify use of aspirin exclusively with veterinarian's advise.
Asprin will increase susceptibility to internal bleeding; will hamper healing of bites or injuies; will make it impossible to safely undergo surgery for, say, removal of a tumor; easily accumuilates at very toxic levels to kill such a small mammal. Asprin can cause irritation and bleeding in a rat's stomach. Asprin crosses the placental berrier & kills fetuses in the wombs of pregnant mothers. It is metabolised in the liver, where overdose will cause permanent liver dysfuction & probably death.
A number of ailments possible in rats decreases the ability of their livers to process or their kidneys to expell silicates, so that even more minute quanties of asprin will kill them quickly -- if it is being used as a home remedy whenever some dolt thinks his rats are feeling poorly, the ailment might well be one that retards rats' ability to process & expell silicates, showing that it is not productive to guess at medication needs without veterinary guidance.
Rats with hepatic or renal illness have a heightened probability of death shortly after treatment with aspirin. Rats already suffering from gastrointinal problems will probably be killed by aspirin. Rats suffering from weight loss caused by any illness or even by poor diet will probably be killed by aspirin. Rats with sickly lungs, asthma-like conditions, or diseases generically assumed to be "myco," are at heightened risk of being killed by aspirin. Rats that already have black stools probably do have some gastrointestinal troubles that will be worsened by aspirin, to the point of death from internal bleeding.
For SPECIFIC ailments & with carefully measured doses as defined by a qualified veterinarian based on each animals personal weight, there MIGHT be some safe & valid uses of aspirin, but not as delivered randomly without qualified medical guidance, & not for relief of pain. Some uses we presumedly would never need -- as for instance aspirin to increase possibility of survival of being severely burned. Aspirin has assisted the survival rate of rats treated with highly toxic cancer-treating chemicals, but it is unlikely any rat of ours will undergo chemotherapy so won't have this need. Rats with heart conditions or diabetes might be benefited, but there is no prophelactic value to giving aspirin to healthy animals, no pain-relieving value because of their high metabolic rate.
Asprin causes gastric mucosal damage even when used within veterinarian-recommended dosages. So in the "best case" situation, it is still harmful.
-paghat the ratgirl
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J&S Bouchard - 24 Apr 2004 21:40 GMT > > > Hi everyone, > > > I think i remember reading on this group some time ago that junior aspirin [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > -paghat the ratgirl Well then, apparently Sue, don't use aspirin. Paghat, do you have links to the documents which proves that aspirin and pet rat don't mix? I would like to keep it on hand for future reference. Thanks,
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paghat - 25 Apr 2004 06:34 GMT > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I think i remember reading on this group some time ago that junior [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > rat don't mix? I would like to keep it on hand for future reference. > Thanks, That was written a long time ago, & was redacted from about two-dozen published papers on rats & aspirin, some of which can be found with a google search, others with a Medline search, others just not on the web, most drawn from studies involving unhappy lab rats. But the RMCA FAQ addresses the issue for pet rats per se, & you can find that quickly at the RMCA website, though I did quote the relevant bit.
-paggers
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J&S Bouchard - 25 Apr 2004 15:17 GMT > That was written a long time ago, & was redacted from about two-dozen > published papers on rats & aspirin, some of which can be found with a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -paggers I'm not exactly sure that RMCA is the end all and be all of rat care. The part you wrote was very well written and obviously researched, it made a lot of sense. But then, just like I did, quote a vet on the use of aspirin, turned out to be very wrong so I will be more careful in the future.
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Susan Aplin - 25 Apr 2004 19:24 GMT Hi Joanne, Thanks for your advice.Having thought about it ,we have decided to see if things improve in the next couple of days -if not,Max will be off to the vets.We spent two and a half hours last night putting in more platforms and ramps in the cage to make things easier for him to move around.He doesn't seem to want to rest it,he is just moving more slowly.Thanks again. Sue x
> > Hi everyone, > > I think i remember reading on this group some time ago that junior aspirin [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > j-s.b@nospamsympatico.ca > remove "no spam" J&S Bouchard - 26 Apr 2004 00:32 GMT > Hi Joanne, > Thanks for your advice.Having thought about it ,we have decided to see if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > seem to want to rest it,he is just moving more slowly.Thanks again. > Sue x Hi Sue, I should have mentioned that along when giving any meds to try and alleviate the pain, the rat should be taken out and put in a small cage with no climbing or obstacles thus, limiting his activities. I'm glad Max is feeling better.
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elegy - 25 Apr 2004 03:16 GMT >Hi everyone, >I think i remember reading on this group some time ago that junior aspirin [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >to do so.Thanks >Sue x i wouldn't give him anything actually, as it could encourage him to use an injured limb and injure it further. unless he's in severe severe pain, in which case, i'd call the vet and ask them what to use.
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Susan Aplin - 25 Apr 2004 19:29 GMT Hi Elegy, We have decided not to give him anything because as you say it could lead to further injury.He doesn't seem to be in any pain he is just slower and more deliberate in his movements.We will give him two days and then he is off to the vets.Thanks for your advice. Sue x
> >Hi everyone, > >I think i remember reading on this group some time ago that junior aspirin [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > with my gratitude?" (ani d) > http://shattering.org jvc - 26 Apr 2004 04:17 GMT hi Sue..the same thing happened with my rat, cgram..i put him in a one level cage with a cagemate and after four days, he was fine and was back with all the boys.
> Hi Elegy, > We have decided not to give him anything because as you say it could lead to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > with my gratitude?" (ani d) > > http://shattering.org Susan Aplin - 26 Apr 2004 07:49 GMT Thats what we may end up having to do although it would be a last resort as he would hate to be on his own again -his cagemate Shay would never tolerate being in a small cage even for a few days.I don't want him being miserable as well!Good to hear it worked well for your boy. Sue x
> hi Sue..the same thing happened with my rat, cgram..i put him in a one level > cage with a cagemate and after four days, he was fine and was back with all [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > with my gratitude?" (ani d) > > > http://shattering.org
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