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Pet Forum / Aquaria / General / November 2004Bio wheels? Are they any good at all?
Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any real benefit at all? Ive seen some on ebay and they claim to remove nitrites and ammonia and can help with oxygenation etc? So, are they any good and does anyone know of any in the uk as all the ebay ones seem to be US ones pretty much.  SignatureDonegal Paul - On the mend Lambretta Li186 - crashed and bashed Vespa T5 Millenium - intact www.thepilgrimssc.co.uk www.a4c.co.uk - What are YOU doing? | Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any real benefit | at all? They don't REMOVE ammonia and nitrites persay. What they do is provide an excellent environment for the bacterium that process the waste in your tank. The alternating immersion\emmersion seems to be superior to media that is always underwater. > | Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any > real benefit [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > immersion\emmersion seems to be superior to media that is always > underwater. They are pretty good when they work. You may have problems with thw wheel getting stuck, or not turning if water flow decreases. I tried a few, one worked well, 2 kept getting stuck. Limnophile | > They don't REMOVE ammonia and nitrites persay. | > What they do is provide an excellent environment for the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | getting stuck, or not turning if water flow decreases. I tried a few, one | worked well, 2 kept getting stuck. Correct. It is important to keep the axles and axle-ways clean and free of debris. It is normal for an established bio-wheel to 'hitch' or stop on occasion, but if it stops long enough for the pleated fabric to start drying, you have a problem. I prefer the filters with a spray bar that is directed at the wheel to keep it rolling. Even with the wheel loaded up with 2 years worth of gorp and slime, as long as I keep the axles clear, it never stops. >| > They don't REMOVE ammonia and nitrites persay. >| > What they do is provide an excellent environment for the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >with the wheel loaded up with 2 years worth of gorp and slime, as >long as I keep the axles clear, it never stops. What is the brand? How big are they. I foolishly positioned my 75 gallon tank too close to the wall and have a tight fit with the Penguin 330s. I think it is about 4 inches of room to the wall. dick "Dick" said to "Billy" >>Correct. It is important to keep the axles and axle-ways clean and >>free of debris. It is normal for an established bio-wheel to 'hitch' [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > gallon tank too close to the wall and have a tight fit with the > Penguin 330s. I think it is about 4 inches of room to the wall. The ones ive seen are made by a firm called hydor SignatureDonegal Paul - On the mend Lambretta Li186 - crashed and bashed Vespa T5 Millenium - intact www.thepilgrimssc.co.uk www.a4c.co.uk - What are YOU doing? ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc.] >>fabric to start drying, you have a problem. I prefer the filters with >>a spray bar that is directed at the wheel to keep it rolling. Even [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > gallon tank too close to the wall and have a tight fit with the > Penguin 330s. I think it is about 4 inches of room to the wall. The Emperor filter works on the spray bar principle. I have one on a 29 gallon tank at my parents house. It's a nice filter, but it definitely won't fit behind your tank. I did the same thing with my 40 gallon and now I'm pretty much stuck with the penguin as well. ::-( SignatureRoss Vandegrift ross@willow.seitz.com "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 >> | Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any >> real benefit [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Limnophile I have two Penguins with a total of 4 wheels. I agree with Limnophile, the sticking is frustrating. I can generally get the wheel turning by wiping a finger along the bottom of the spillway and the wheel. I suspect something hangs up on the wheel cartridge making that side heavier. dick >| Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any >real benefit [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >immersion\emmersion seems to be superior to media that is always >underwater. I will say a good word for underwater bios. I have a 29 gallon JEBO glass tank with a built in filtration system. It has small ceramic donuts as part of the filtration. This tank is consistently clear and clean. dick | I will say a good word for underwater bios. I have a 29 gallon JEBO | glass tank with a built in filtration system. It has small ceramic | donuts as part of the filtration. This tank is consistently clear and | clean. As an aside, clarity of water has little or nothing to do with the health of the tank, or the suitability of the water to support fish. >| I will say a good word for underwater bios. I have a 29 gallon >JEBO [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >As an aside, clarity of water has little or nothing to do with the >health of the tank, or the suitability of the water to support fish. Clear and clean may not mean healthy, but it sure is nicer to look at. As far as health, the Jebo tank fish are colorful, active, and peaceful. The plants are growing well. I have had this tank up for a year and a half. My two year old 75 gallon tank has many more fish that are equally healthy by my standards, but usually has more suspended particles even with two Penquin 330s. I think I can reduce the visible particles by changing the filtration media. I ordered several types last week and look forward to playing with this. Clean and clear is nice. dick > Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any real > benefit at all? > Ive seen some on ebay and they claim to remove nitrites and ammonia > and can help with oxygenation etc? They are very beneficial. They do not remove the ammonia products themselves, but rather they provide a place for bacteria to grow, and the bacteria do the actual work. A bio-wheel is pretty much a powerful wet/dry filter in a very small space. I have bio-wheels on three of my four tanks, and they do a great job on all of them. The only problem I ever had with one was when a snail managed to climb into the biowheel chamber and jam the wheel. Aside from that I've had no trouble with them at all. SignatureEric Schreiber www.ericschreiber.com >Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any real benefit >at all? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So, are they any good and does anyone know of any in the uk as all the ebay >ones seem to be US ones pretty much. You would have to buy a US one and then get a small step-down converter to run on UK mains electric as the company that makes them does not sell in the UK. I am going to get a Penguin 170 Bio-Wheel, which will be in addition to a Eheim external power filter I'm going to use on a 30g tank. John > Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any real > benefit at all? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So, are they any good and does anyone know of any in the uk as all the > ebay ones seem to be US ones pretty much. See: http://www.marineland.com/products/mllabs.asp Check out the scientific literature by the director of Marineland on that site as well. > See: > > http://www.marineland.com/products/mllabs.asp > > Check out the scientific literature by the director of Marineland on that > site as well. yup, that certainly is an unbiased analysis of biowheels ;op SignatureMargolis http://web.archive.org/web/20030215212142/http://www.agqx.org/faqs/AGQ2FAQ.htm http://www.unrealtower.org/faq >> See: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > yup, that certainly is an unbiased analysis of biowheels ;op Idiot. You do not get published in peer-reviewed journals with biased articles. Idiot. > Idiot. Idiot. hmm, you must be right. Just because marineland developed, makes, sells and profits from biowheels must mean that they are totally unbiased about them ;o( SignatureMargolis http://web.archive.org/web/20030215212142/http://www.agqx.org/faqs/AGQ2FAQ.htm http://www.unrealtower.org/faq | Idiot. You do not get published in peer-reviewed journals with biased | articles. Idiot. Luminos, please. You have much to contribute to this group, please do not reduce what those here think of you by resorting to name-calling everytime someone disagrees with you. I do not ressert to this everytime. Sometimes, when an individual goes so far as to ignore peer reviewed science, I get frustrated. I will try to tame my passions. > | Idiot. You do not get published in peer-reviewed journals with > biased [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not reduce what those here think of you by resorting to name-calling > everytime someone disagrees with you. > I do not ressert to this everytime. Sometimes, when an individual goes so > far as to ignore peer reviewed science, I get frustrated. I will try to > tame my passions. I haven't ignored anything. I just pointed out that the manufacturer of a product is not the best place to get unbiased information. I even pointed it out tongue in cheek. oh well, at least I learned who is ignorant in this ng ;o( SignatureMargolis http://web.archive.org/web/20030215212142/http://www.agqx.org/faqs/AGQ2FAQ.htm http://www.unrealtower.org/faq As a research biologist, I can say that you can indeed get published in peer review journals with biased info. A lot of what does and does not get published is political. > >> See: > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > yup, that certainly is an unbiased analysis of biowheels ;op http://web.archive.org/web/20030215212142/http://www.agqx.org/faqs/AGQ2FAQ.htm > > http://www.unrealtower.org/faq > > Idiot. You do not get published in peer-reviewed journals with biased > articles. Idiot. >> Check out the scientific literature by the director of Marineland >> on that site as well. > yup, that certainly is an unbiased analysis of biowheels ;op http://www.marineland.com/drtims_peerreview.asp The peer-reviewed literature on the Marineland site doesn't discuss bio-wheels. Just some potentially interesting articles on matters related to fishkeeping. SignatureEric Schreiber www.ericschreiber.com >Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any real benefit >at all? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So, are they any good and does anyone know of any in the uk as all the ebay >ones seem to be US ones pretty much. All I know, dude, is that the tank will cycle a lot faster with a biowheel. After that, whether the biowheel deal is any good or not, I do not know. |
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