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Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / October 2004Re:persistent vomiting - no other symptoms ...what happened?
So when's the enterotomy/gastrotomy? ..... j/k ....sometimes they can get it with a scope if it is a small enough piece .....but it's still gonna be expensive ....very curable ....especially with the chronic presentation. Let us know... She is going today (wed) at 3...her normal vet didn't seem very concerned (i've had issues with this guy before - when she had parvo 2 years ago he wanted to put her down), so I am taking her to the vet that has been treating my orphaned kitten. I find it very strange however, that her behavior isn't changed? Is that normal if she had a small obstruction? Because she is still very active and playful and seems fine other than not being able to eat. Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know how it turns out. > So when's the enterotomy/gastrotomy? ..... j/k ....sometimes they can get it with a scope > if it is a small enough piece .....but it's still gonna be expensive ....very curable ....especially > with the chronic presentation. > > Let us know... > I find it very strange however, that her behavior isn't changed? Is > that normal if she had a small obstruction? Because she is still very > active and playful and seems fine other than not being able to eat. ........I remember seeing an episode of Emergency Vets where a dog had persistent vomiting problems and it ended up he had a ball (I think) in his stomach that kept going down and covering the pyloric valve. It wasn't big enough to block all the food, but caused frequent vomiting. IOW it wasn't a huge chunk of something in the stomach that might cause nausea and pain, but it didn't allow all the food to go through. Keep in mind that sometimes X-rays don't catch things like plastic film - or panty hose. buglady take out the dog before replying Back from the vet now... He said that there were 3 *likely* causes: 1) Food allergy (unlikely) 2) partial obstruction or 'problem' in her intestinal tract 3) a bacterial/parasite (not sure which) called Giardia which he found during the exam (also found a parasite, not sure which but the pic he showed me looked like a purple protozoa) The vet poked around her abdomen alot and looked down her throat, he said it didn't *appear* to be an obstruction (but of course without x-rays he couldn't be sure). He also said she is in no danger of malnutrition or dehydration yet. Because she is still active, otherwise healthy and (definitely) has no weight loss yet, he gave me the choice of trying the medicine to kill the giardia OR doing the whole nine yards of bloodwork, x-rays, etc. I decided to try the medicine first (along with anti-nauseau med). If it has no effect by Fri, she will be going back for full work-up. **Good news** I gave her the panacure (wormer)in some special diet canned food the vet gave me and so far it is staying down (4 1/2 hours now), so maybe the meds are working. The vet said that Giardia is present naturally in the water here, and since we have well water, I guess that's where it came from. I'll give another update over the weekend, but I hope that this is the end of this. > She is going today (wed) at 3...her normal vet didn't seem very > concerned (i've had issues with this guy before - when she had parvo 2 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Let us know... > The vet said that Giardia is present naturally in the water here, and > since we have well water, I guess that's where it came from. If your well is shallow enough/contaminated enough with fecal material, you probably already have had some symptoms yourselves. Still, it would be good to get it checked for fecal contamination. But Giardia is more commonly transmitted via surface waters. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/giardiasis/factsht_giardia.htm You'll also want to be careful of your own hygiene when cleaning up after the dog. http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/pbs/zoonoses/GIk9fel/giardia.html Is this the critter your vet showed you a picture of? http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~parasite/giardia.html Kay, who used to work in a parasitology lab After checking with our landlord, it seems our water was tested for Giardia (among other things) after the recent flooding, so contamination must have come from the creek that runs through our property (we do have a horse pasture adjoining the property). The picture that the vet showed me looks more like the ascaris I mentioned in my other post. I'm not sure what they are though? **More Good News** 24+ hours and still no vomiting. hurray!!! I'm keeping my fingers crossed, and hoping that all is well with her. > > The vet said that Giardia is present naturally in the water here, and > > since we have well water, I guess that's where it came from. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Kay, who used to work in a parasitology lab Gave another round of wormer and food this morning, and still no vomiting. I am so relieved and I hope that we found the problem. Did some research last night and found that Giardia is only present in *untreated* water, so she must have gotten it from the creek, maybe? Anyway, here is some info, it apparently causes vomiting and/or diarrhea, just thought everyone should know as it is found worldwide (and can also infect people): "Giardiasis (GEE-are-DYE-uh-sis) is a diarrheal illness caused by a one-celled, microscopic parasite, Giardia intestinalis (also known as Giardia lamblia). Once an animal or person has been infected with Giardia intestinalis, the parasite lives in the intestine and is passed in the stool. Because the parasite is protected by an outer shell, it can survive outside the body and in the environment for long periods of time. During the past 2 decades, Giardiainfection has become recognized as one of the most common causes of waterborne disease (found in both drinking and recreational water) in humans in the United States . Giardia are found worldwide and within every region of the United States." http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/giardiasis/factsht_giardia.htm > **Good news** > I gave her the panacure (wormer)in some special diet canned food the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'll give another update over the weekend, but I hope that this is the > end of this. Giardia can affect humans too, so you might try to eliminate the bug from your well water or at least have your well water checked. Andrea fiddlinvet > The vet said that Giardia is present naturally in the water here, and > since we have well water, I guess that's where it came from. > > I'll give another update over the weekend, but I hope that this is the > end of this. > Back from the vet now... > 3) a bacterial/parasite (not sure which) called Giardia Mmmmm, Montezuma's Revenge! Its a protozoa. griffin To 3rd year vet student: Per the parasite i mentioned before, not sure what it was as he didn't tell me, but looking online i see that picture labeled 'ascaris' looks like what he showed me, and also the panacure says that it cures 'ascarids' Is this the same thing (ascaris and ascarid)? and is it a worm infestation or another form of parasite? Sorry to bug you, just too curious for my own good ;) Thanks. > So when's the enterotomy/gastrotomy? ..... j/k ....sometimes they can get it with a scope > if it is a small enough piece .....but it's still gonna be expensive ....very curable ....especially > with the chronic presentation. > > Let us know... looking online i see that picture labeled 'ascaris' looks > like what he showed me, and also the panacure says that it cures > 'ascarids' > > Is this the same thing (ascaris and ascarid)? and is it a worm > infestation or another form of parasite? ........Ascardis are roundworms basically. Ascaris is the genus name. Saying Ascarid is like saying Hominid. .........What is he giving for the Giardia? I honestly don't remember if the panacure will take care of that also. He was lucky to find the Giardia - many times you can't find it in the stool sample. Hope things are on the upswing now! buglady take out the dog before replying > .........What is he giving for the Giardia? I honestly don't remember if > the panacure will take care of that also. He was lucky to find the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying He only gave her the panacure and an anti-nauseau medicine (Metoclopramide)(sp?), and pedigree i/d special diet canned food. He did give her a shot of the metoclopramide and something else, but I don't know what the second shot was. What would normally be used to treat Giardia? An antibiotic? I am not *sure* if what he showed me was an ascarid or not (I forgot the name), I'm only going by the picture which is probably not an accurate method. Things are definitely better now! So far, two days and she is keeping her food down fine. > What would normally be used to treat Giardia? An antibiotic? ........apparently Panacur does take care of Giardia - I had Flagyl stuck in my mind for some reason. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/panacur.html ..........Though I see that FLagyl is for Giardia: from Marvistavet site: Metronidazole (Flagyl) is an antibiotic especially effective against anaerobic infections (infections that grow without the presence of oxygen.) In addition, it has anti-inflammatory properties in the large intestine and is a very effective anti-diarrhea medication. It is an effective antibiotic against certain protozoal infections, especially GIARDIA. The marvistavet website is good for general info - also www.vetinfo.com .......I wonder if the shot he gave was Flagyl? buglady take out the dog before replying |
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