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Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / January 2005Cat urinating too much
I wonder if you can give me an idea of what might this be My Tiara has been urinating a lot today, and I mean a lot. Just now, she has been letting in drops of urin every few minutes, and doesn;t care to go to litterbox anymore. I can see she is having a hard time trying to get it out of the system,and has vomited probably from pushing so hard. I will take her to the vet in the morning, but I wonder if anyone knows what it could be and just how serious. Can I give her anything till the morning? She is 7yrs old, vaccinated and spayed. Only goes out on a harness. Thanks Gee > I wonder if you can give me an idea of what might this be > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks > Gee Sounds like a urinary tract infection or something like that to me. Shouldn't be too difficult to clear up. Good luck! Camilla > Sounds like a urinary tract infection or something like that to me. > Shouldn't be too difficult to clear up. > Good luck! > Camilla Thank you for the quick reply. I certainly hope its gonna be sorted as well. I just hope to God its not FUS. Gee >>Sounds like a urinary tract infection or something like that to me. >>Shouldn't be too difficult to clear up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Gee Females seldom get FUS (though it does happen), because their urinary tract is wider (and shorter?) than in males. Camilla > >>Sounds like a urinary tract infection or something like that to me. > >>Shouldn't be too difficult to clear up. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > tract is wider (and shorter?) than in males. > Camilla Oh thank you for this reassurance Camilla, I'm in the midst of a panic about this, and your words came like a magic touch. I lost my boy 5 yrs ago, and Im just not ready to loose another baby so soon after, and my mind has gone into override. I can;t wait for the vet to open! Oh I should;ve mantioned, I got another 4 cats male and female, and they are all fine. Also there is no blood in wee. Thanks again Gee Well just the update, just back from vets, Tiara has cystitis (most likely) as bladder is empty. Traces of blood in urine, but not visible to naked eye. She is on antibiotics now. However, this morning, my other cat Charlie(around 4yrs old) produced a very red wee, so he came to vets too. He has been going a bit more often to the loo as well but not as bad as Tiara. Cos he's a boy, they sent his urine to be tested more thoroughly for crystals etc, cos its more dangerous in males. In the meantime he's on antibiotics as well. No blockage either, as bladder is empty. Neither had temperature. Now Im just waiting for the vets results. Thanks for teh help guys. Gee > Well just the update, just back from vets, Tiara has cystitis (most likely) > as bladder is empty. Traces of blood in urine, but not visible to naked eye. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks for teh help guys. > Gee Here's hoping that the antibiotics will clear the problem. Bladder infections are such a nuisance. Camilla > Well just the update, just back from vets, Tiara has cystitis (most likely) > as bladder is empty. Traces of blood in urine, but not visible to naked eye. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > loo as well but not as bad as Tiara. Cos he's a boy, they sent his urine to > be tested more thoroughly for crystals etc ...........might be time to look at your food. Males really ought to get more canned food than dry I think. buglady take out the dog before replying > ...........might be time to look at your food. Males really ought to get > more canned food than dry I think. Might talk to your vet about the "alkaline tide" phenomenon and struvite crystals, if that's what it turns out to be. Went through this with several cats years ago, including one who repeatedly decided to block about 11pm. The key to settling the problem for us was to switch to a dry cat food with a higher percentage of meat than plant-based protein. Kay >Might talk to your vet about the "alkaline >tide" phenomenon and struvite crystals, if [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >food with a higher percentage of meat >than plant-based protein. A better solution is to get rid of dry food alogether and feed a high quality canned food on a 12 hour schedule. Free-fed cats are put in a position where their uine is more alkaline because they're eating all day. Fasted cats tend to have more acidic urine which is one reason why meal feeding is better. Another important aspect is water intake. Cats fed dry food rarely drink enough water to make up for what they don't get in dry food. A canned diet will keep the cat properly hydrated and will keep the bladder better flushed, lessening the likelihood of crystal and sediment build up. A vet that would prescribe a dry food for a cat with urinary tract issues is putting the cat at risk for more problems. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >Subject: Re: Cat urinating too much >From: "Gee" Gee@canttellya.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Well just the update, just back from vets, Tiara has cystitis (most likely) >as bladder is empty. Traces of blood in urine, but not visible to naked eye. Urine placed in a window overnight will begin to shown a .. pinkish .. color .. if blood .. is present .. which is associated with polycythemia / erythrocytosis / too many red blood cells .. Excessive voiding is evidence of a lack of vasopressin and lack of vasopressin is associated with .. excess .. red blood cells .. causing .. polyuria / excess voiding .. J Vet Intern Med 1997 Sep-Oct;11(5):300-3 Polyuria and polydipsia and disturbed vasopressin release in 2 dogs with secondary polycythemia. van Vonderen IK, Meyer HP, Kraus JS, Kooistra HS Department of Clinical Sciences of Companion Animals, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Utrecht University, The Netherlands. In dogs, secondary polycythemia (SP) may be associated with polyuria and polydipsia (PU/PD). The pathogenesis of this PU/PD has not yet been explained. We hypothesized that hyperviscosity and increased blood volume in SP might affect vasopressin (VP) release, resulting in PU/PD. This hypothesis was tested in 2 dogs with SP caused by renal neoplasia and PU/PD. Osmoregulation of VP release was studied by a modified water deprivation test and by investigating the VP response to hypertonic saline infusion. Water deprivation test results were consistent with an inability to produce concentrated urine despite increasing plasma osmolality. During hypertonic saline infusion, the osmotic threshold of VP release was markedly increased in both dogs, resulting in a delayed VP response to increasing plasma osmolality. The sensitivity of VP release was low normal in both dogs. We conclude that blood hyperviscosity and increased blood volume led to impaired VP release and polyuria. PMID: 9348498, UI: 98009104 _________________________________________________________________ Who loves ya. Tom.. Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Ok just got a call from my vet, Charlie's results show number of crystals in urine :( He advised antibiotics for a month+special Hills Prescription diet for Urinary tract, then rechecking urine again. He is still waiting for culture results for germs. Ok, I dunno what to think, can someone pls tell me more about these crystals thingies. Are they like bladder stones in humans or what? What can I do for him? Is he in pain? The vet said he will hopefully not need an op. :( > Ok just got a call from my vet, Charlie's results show number of crystals in > urine :( He advised antibiotics for a month+special Hills Prescription diet [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > :( Did the vet mention which kind of crystals they were? There are several kinds... Changing his diet to prevent the crystals from forming is probably the best way forward. Camilla > > Ok just got a call from my vet, Charlie's results show number of crystals in urine > Did the vet mention which kind of crystals they were? There are several > kinds... Changing his diet to prevent the crystals from forming is > probably the best way forward. > Camilla Just back from the vets. He';s got Struvite type crystals, PH6 urine. He has been given antibiotics Nisamox(Amoxycilin) for a whole month, and Hills Prescription diet Urinary LP34 dry food + same type sachets. He told me to stay exclusively on this diet for a month then recheck the blood. Charlie seems to like it, thanks God. All day today Charlie has still had very red urine, but just now his wee was a much healthier darkish yellow color :) Tiara, however seems almost completely cured by now. She only went to the loo 2-3 times today and seems fine. So I dunno if they had the same thing and same cause for this, or was is just coincidence. Her urine was not tested fully, just on those color stick and have shown traces of blood. But it was not tested for crystals. Charlie's cos it was well red, and he's a male, was sent off for further analysis. So effectively she is diagnosed as having cystitis, Charlie as bladder crystals. Could this be just a coincidence they got it at the same time? I did buy and gave them to eat some Asda's own dry food on Mon, and this all kicked off on Tues eve/Wed. Is that food to blame? What is causing the crystals? He's only around 3-4 yrs old! Could the water be a problem, London has a very hard water which causes regular damage to my boiler heating system as well. I dunno... Sorry, I'm very confused, any links or advice welcome. Thanks Gee Aah too many question sorry. >>>Ok just got a call from my vet, Charlie's results show number of > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Aah too many question sorry. A quick search for "struvite crystals" on google came up with this informative link: http://www.kidney-stone-symptoms.com/html/types.php3 This is about crystals in humans, but I am almost sure cats have very similarf crystals. Good reading! Camilla "Gee" <Gee@canttellya.com> wrote in message news:HVFwd.134> > He has been given antibiotics Nisamox(Amoxycilin) for a whole month, and Hills Prescription diet Urinary LP34 dry food + same type sachets. Sorry not Hills, Waltham veterinary diet "Urinary LP34". > Ok just got a call from my vet, Charlie's results show number of crystals in > urine :( He advised antibiotics for a month+special Hills Prescription diet [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thingies. Are they like bladder stones in humans or what? What can I do for > him? Is he in pain? You might want to see about getting him an X-ray, to see if he has a lot of bladder stones, because they are a potential for future blockage. My Gideon was being treated for arthritis for walking stiffly by the previous (quack) vet. When I first took him to the new vet for a second opinion, she X-rayed him to evaluate his arthritis. There was no indication of arthritis on the X-ray, but his bladder was completely full with what looked like fishtank gravel (struvite crystals). He had never had bloody nor concentrated urine, nor ever broke litter box training, but had gotten into the habit of drinking a lot and peeing a lot to try to ease the bladder discomfort (blood sugar and kidney levels were normal). He had only been on canned food a couple of months (changed both cats from Science Diet dry to low-carb canned when the other cat became diabetic) when the X-ray was taken, and my new vet thought he would need bladder surgery along with his thyroid surgery to remove them, because there were so many. But when he had a follow-up X-ray before surgery, after a round of antibiotics (for bad teeth, a "shadow" in his chest on the first X-ray that might have been fluid from infection, as well as any infection that may have been partially involved with the bladder problem) and a month on Tapazole to bring T4 down to check his kidney function, he had managed to pee out all but a marble-sized cluster of the crystals (and the chest shadow was gone). So we passed on the bladder surgery. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." Struvite crystals are common in male adult cats. Usually it's the food that causes the pH to be out of range and that's when the crystals form. This can then cause an infection which means that red blood cells, white blood cells and bacteria are present. Stones from when one of any of these become a "core" and everything else builds on top of it - like a snowball. Generally antibiotics for at least 2 weeks and changing food are the "cure". I have a 4 year old male cat who is prone to getting crystals in his urine. I live in Ontario Canada so he is on Hill's c/d (sounds like the same food that your little guy is on) for life. I check his urine every year at the time of his vaccines just because I am paranoid. Because of the shape of the boys urinary tract (from bladder to out through penis), it has a lot of turns and is a smaller diameter they are prone to getting blocked if a stone forms. You may consider keeping him on the special diet for life just to prevent any crystals from froming in the future. Usually we xray the secondish time that they come in for cystitis within a short period of time because it is so common for them to get crystals. If it happens a second time I would definately get him xrayed to see what's going on in his bladder. Hope all is well. "Steph" <stephhiggins@rogers.com> wrote in message > I have a 4 year old male cat who is prone to getting crystals in his urine. > I live in Ontario Canada so he is on Hill's c/d (sounds like the same food > that your little guy is on) for life. Yeah it does look like he;ll have to have diet for the rest of his life :( He wont be impressed! Actually I made a mistake earlier, he is not on Hills, he is on Waltham "Royal canine" feline Urinary LP34 food. (I know - "Canine" bit is misleading :) ), but I will ask the vet if he can have some of Hills c/d like yours, justr for a change :) Out of curiousity, where you are, do you have hard water? Just wondering if water has caused this cos in London we have VERY hard water which does tend to form scalesin boylers and ketles fast. I live in Ontario Canada. We have very hard water in my place. My cats have a water fountain that they drink out of because my boy really only likes really cold water. This way the water is continuously circulating and is always cold. Because of the water fountain, we did use tap water but the calcium in the water was clogging the filter so all of our animals get bottled water now. > I live in Ontario Canada. We have very hard water in my place. My cats > have a water fountain that they drink out of because my boy really only > likes really cold water. This way the water is continuously circulating and > is always cold. Because of the water fountain, we did use tap water but the > calcium in the water was clogging the filter so all of our animals get > bottled water now. So it looks like this can be connected with hard water. I always did worry about it, but London Water company says this is how it is :( I wonder who I can write to to ask for more research to be done with this.Maybe to Hills or Waltham's. Hmmm... > Out of curiousity, where you are, do you have hard water? Just wondering > if > water has caused this cos in London we have VERY hard water which does > tend > to form scalesin boylers and ketles fast. Boy do I remember that! (Lived in London for 6.5 years.) But it happens the world over. One of my boys has FLUTD and is also on Hills c/d (actually, they're both on Hills c/d cos they're too used to eating in the same place at the same time), and that happened in Auckland, NZ. No hard water here. > > Out of curiousity, where you are, do you have hard water? Just wondering > > if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > they're both on Hills c/d cos they're too used to eating in the same place > at the same time), and that happened in Auckland, NZ. No hard water here. Thanks, I'll ask the vet if Charlie can have Hills c/d as well as Waltham one he;s on now. He is going spare being on one type of food only, he is too used to variation and plenty of food. > Thanks, I'll ask the vet if Charlie can have Hills c/d as well as Waltham > one he;s on now. He is going spare being on one type of food only, he is > too > used to variation and plenty of food. My cats are like that too. What I have found helps is if they get a premium, low-magnesium food as a treat once or twice a week to help give them some variety. Vet has said this is fine (but you have to read the labels to ensure they are low magnesium) and shouldn't do Cassius any harm at all, but just to keep an eye on him and bring him in if I do detect any problems. Which is what you do with a cat with FLUTD anyway! OK final (I hope) update for all, Charlie has been weeing nice yellow wee wee for the last 2 days, so blood is gone or has reduced a lot. Also he goes to toilet much less. He is stuck on Walham diet which hes not overly impressed with, but since there is nothing else will eat it. The vet just called me with results of the test, to say he doesn;t have any infection, so it looks like crystals caused the blood and discomfort. So diet for good it seems :( Tiara seems completely cured from the day after the first antibiotic, so most likely she had cystitis. They are both on antibiotics still, and Charlie will be till the end of the month.Tiara's are finishing in 2 days, which is just as well, cos she is so stressed by the ordeal of having to take them, she foams from the mouth as soon as she sees the pills. Thanks to all for help and replies I was going spare and your support was invaluable :) Have a nice X-mas yall! Gee, Tiara,Shadow, Tigger, Charlie and Lil One Hi Guys,. just an update. Charlie had a bloodyurine, was diagnosed with Struvite chrystals in his bladder, and was put on 1 month course ofantibiotics and Royal Canin Urinary LP34 food. We went to the vets today for a check up and Charlie is doing real good. No blood in urine,and chrystals are barely traceble,so the vet is more then pleased and so am I. Charlie is still not drinking enough so occasionally I have to squirt some water into him via suringe :) The vet said this Roayl canin has been desined for them to make them drink more,but Charlie is just nota big drinker:) But he is staying now on Royal Canin (both dry and wet) and will only have a special treat once a week of some regular wet food with others. It's worked well for him. Thanks for everyone's help. Gee |
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