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I Am - 17 Feb 2005 05:40 GMT

Stress Related Health Disorders - Help! I'm KILLIN My
Dogs/Kats/Kids, And My Vet/Pediatrician Won't Tell Me
To STOP SCOLDING, SHAMING, HURTING, PUNISHING, Shocking, And
CHOKING Them!!!

HOWEDY People,

Just look at the reception the GOOD NEWS that
HURTING your dogs / kats / kids is RESPONSIBLE
for their UNDAIGNOSABLE / INCURABLE medical
problems has gotten, here abHOWETS.

You people would PREFER to KILL your dogs kats
and kids than handle and train them with human
decency and respect, and blame their DEATHS on
the failure of modern medicine to rehabilitate these
undiagnosed STRESS RELATED HEALTH DISORDERS,
because to ADMIT to the TRUTH would INDICT YOU as
ABUSERS, and THAT is something you'll fight to the deaths
of your pets and children, TO DEFEND.

NO WONDER your veterinary / physician will not come
forward and ADMIT the NATURE of these DEGENERATIVE
"diseases." They'll be CRUCIFIED, as you animal / child
abusers attempt to CRUCIFY The Puppy Wizard for bringing
you the GOOD NEWS that you don't have to continue to
have health temperament and behavior problems TILL
the sweet sting of DEATH alleviates YOUR VICTIM'S PAIN.

NO WONDER good folks like ed w of PET LOSS dot CON
WARN you not to TRUST The Puppy Wizard. The Puppy
Wizard's INFORMATION would BANKRUPT that iciHOWES
animal abuser who PROFITS FROM YOUR DEAD CRITTERS.

THE MOORE TRAUMATIC THEIR DEMISE, THE
MOORE MONEY HE GETS FROM YOUR GRIEF.

Here's a ANIMAL LOVER searching for A CURE
for a CONDITION that ONLY EXISTS in her critter's
MIND, caused by MISHANDLING by the RESPONSIBLE
PET OWNER:

"Lori Sherman" <l...@lorisherman.com> wrote in message

news:31bbde6b.0308141231.5999ab8b@posting.google.com...

> I am new to this group,

Perhaps you should read The Puppy Wizards
Archives before spHOWETIN off, lori?

> and I want to mention how annoying the "Puppy Wizard" is.

S-HOWEDS like you're FEELIN GUILTY, lori?

> All your rambling on is clogging up any ability to do a
> decent search in this forum.

The RESEARCH is DONE, lorie. We KNOW HOWE
COME YOUR DOG IS DYING ON YOU.

YOU ARE KILLIN HIM.

SLOWLY.

> I could respect your opinions if you had the ability to
> properly write your thoughts and opions in a coherent
> sentence with correct spelling.

You think The Puppy Wizard's SPELLin has anything
to do with YOUR PHYSICAL and EMOTIOINAL ABUSE
of your critters???

> You spell like a 3rd grade educated hillbilly from Tennesee.

You SHOWEND like a DOG ABUSER being HOWETED
by The Puppy Wizard. If you DISS-AGREE with the
INFORMATION, let's DISS-CUSS it and PROVE YOUR POINT?

YOU CAN'T. Your critter is DYING because YOU HURT IT.

> The random bolding is out of control!!

YOU ARE KILLING YOUR DOG, WHOM YOU MADE SICK.

> It is really too bad that you feel the need to ruin the
> ability of this group to actually help people with the
> postings here.

Well golly gee, lorie. If YOU didn't FEEL GUILTY abHOWET
doin what your PET PROFESSIONALS TAUGHT YOU to
do KNOWING FULL WELL that JERKING CHOKING
SHOCKING PUNISHING CRATING and USING AVERSIVES
is NOT DECENT, HUMANE TREATEMENT of DUMB ANIMALS,
then you wouldn't OBJECT to THE FACTS, lori.

Granted that much of this INFORMATION has only
recently been PROVEN at the UNIVERSITY level, but
The Puppy Wizard has been TEACHING THIS for many
years in advance of the "medical research findings."

> Please get a life, one that doesn't involve posting here!

YOUR DOG IS DYING BECAUSE YOU HURT and INTIMDATE
HIM as YOU TRY TO HURT and INTIMIDATE The Puppy
Wizard for BRINGIN YOU the GOOD NEWS that YOU CAN
CURE these exotic DISEASES by simply REVERSING YOUR
HANDLING METHODS.

"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net> wrote in
message<news:3bDTa.116679$Io.9953454@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.
net>...

> HOWEDY nomdeplume,
> "Nomdeplume" <no_...@I_will_post_that.org> wrote in message
> news:6aothvol1m2d0kmmjrehr0d21r6m0m75hs@4ax.com...
> > On 22 Jul 2003 04:30:51 GMT, jag...@aol.com (Jag795) wrote:
> > >Hello Everyone,
> > Hello,
> > I'm so sorry you are going through this.
> INDEEDY! Particularly on accHOWEnt of "this," is
> casued by STRESS...
> > Nothing can worry us more than our precious
> > long-time companions when things get rought.
> WRONG. Nuthin can worry "us" MOORE than GETTIN
> BAGGED for having CAUSED HOWER DOG'S temperament,
> behavior, and health problems... That's HOWE COME your
> pals organize massive "KILLFILE The Puppy Wizard and
> complain to HIS ISP campaines".
> > I hope you get some answers and very soon.
> The ANSWERS are what they FEAR. They want
> EXXXCUSES and drugs too compensate for the
> high level of stress their dogs and children grow
> up and GO NUTS, GET SICK, and DIE FROM.
> > May I recommend a book for you?
> > http://www.petcarebooks.com
> > It is Dogs, Diet, and Disease.
> Looks good, but The Puppy Wizard expects they'll
> MISS the IMPORTANT issue of STRESS from
> traditional handling and training:
> "This book delves into some of today's most troubling
> canine illnesses, including diabetes mellitus, pancreatitis,
> Cushing disease and excess cortisol production,
> hypothyroidism, liver disease, and kidney degeneration.
> It takes an indepth look at what factors really cause
> canine illness, options for treatment, and provides
> detailed instructions on how to care for chronically ill
> dogs."Dogs, Diet, and Disease" makes an excellent
> companion book to "Living With Blind Dogs" when
> dealing with the excess cortisol symptoms."
> Excess cortisol and interluken-6 are CAUSED
> BY MISHANDLING.
> > I believe it can't help but be useful no matter what
> > your dog's final diagnosis is.
> The DIAGNOSIS will NEVER BE FHOWEND, because
> NOBODY will blame traditional CORRECTIONS and
> PUNISHMENT and CRATING as THE CAUSE of
> LIFE THREATENING STRESS.
> > Now, she recommends a raw diet, but has
> > suggestions if you don't want to go that way too.
> Diet has little to do with the CAUSE of these conditions...
> except that the nutrients the critter needs are not able to
> be absorbed, WHEN STRESSED.
> > Sara D
> > > Now mind you....I don't know for sure that
> > > my Bo Bo has it yet.
> jenn's Bo Bo is UNDER STRESS, which is HOWE COME
> he's SICK, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little dog Maxie
> The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
> Masturbator.
> It's taken Maxie 5 years of STRESS as EVIDENCED
> by his OCD behaviors,to finally BREAK DHOWEN, physically.
> > > But I have been reading and researching so much....
> INDEEDY! You'll DO ANYTHING to lay the blame on
> a NON EXISTENT physical cause, even at the expense
> of KILLIN the dog, TO BE FAIR.
> > > I just wanted to talk to some people about it.
> Well, we're in the right place, as SO MANY of
> HOWER DOGS HAVE SIMILAR CONDITIONS.
> > > I talk to the Vet tomorrow to get him scheduled
> > > for the tests.
> Your vet is likeWIZE, at a LOSS.
> > > I will keep you all posted.
> INDEEDY! Cause YOU'LL NEVER CURE HIM.
> At least, not withHOWET ceasing the STRESS
> casued by tellin IT "NO!" and jerking and choking
> IT on lead and locking IT in a box and trying to
> get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.
> > > Thanks for listening.
> Do you know HOWE to set up your KILLFILTER?
> > > Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
> Ask liea altshuller, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog
> abuser phd psychoclHOWEN, HOWE to killfile...
> > >Thank You,
> Your welcome!
> > > Jan
> Canine Cushing's Disease
> Author: Kate Connick ©2002
> Cushing's Disease (hyperadrenocorticism) is a
> common condition in older dogs, often mistaken
> for the aging process itself. Dogs gain weight, lose
> hair, urinate in the house, and make owners begin
> to prematurely consider euthanasia.
> Yet Cushing's disease is treatable and that treatment
> can result in a longer, more comfortable life for the
> dog and its owner. Thus, it is important for the regular
> pet owner to learn the basic facts about Cushing's disease.
> In health: In order to understand Cushing's disease,
> one needs to understand the basics of the negative
> feedback loop that operates in a normal, healthy dog.
> The pituitary gland, located at the base of the brain,
> produces ACTH (adrenocorticotrophic hormone), as
> directed by the hypothalamus (another part of the brain).
> This hormone is released into the bloodstream and
> stimulates the body's two adrenal glands, located
> near the kidneys, to secrete glucocorticoid (cortisone-like
> or cortisol) hormones into the bloodstream."

***EVERY TIME YOU TELL "IT" "NO!" or lock IT
in a box for ten minutes reflection afer an appupriate
SCRUFF SHAKE.***

> "Cortisol helps the body respond to stress. It is
> necessary for life and impacts a wide variety of
> bodily functions including blood sugar levels, fat
> metabolism, skeletal muscles, kidney function,
> nervous system, cardiovascular system, and
> immune response.
> ACTH/cortisol secretion is increased due to stress,
> including infection, pain, surgery, trauma, cold
> temperatures. When the blood cortisol levels are
> high enough, the pituitary stops secreting ACTH.
> When the blood cortisol levels dip low enough, the
> pituitary secretes more ACTH. The adrenals respond
> by secreting glucocorticoid hormones in response to
> the pituitary, just as the pituitary responds by secreting
> ACTH in response to the adrenals.
> The net effect is that a mildly fluctuating balance is
> achieved. This is an oversimplified picture of cortisol
> homeostasis in the healthy dog.
> In Cushing's Disease: The feedback loop has gone
> awry in Cushing's disease for one of three reasons:
> a pituitary tumor, an adrenal tumor, or veterinary
> interference."

***AND MISHANDLING, or ABUSE.***

> "The result is a chronic excess of blood cortisol."

**********SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!*************

> "In effect, the dog is being poisoned with too much
> cortisol and cannot rely on its own feedback mechanism
> to regulate the blood cortisol level.
> Pituitary Dependant Hyperadrenocorticism: The most
> common cause of Cushing's disease is a microscopic,
> benign pituitary tumor (microadenoma) which
> oversecretes ACTH and ignores the adrenals' response.

> 50% of pituitary tumors are less than 3mm in diameter.
> The dog's pituitary keeps cranking out ACTH, causing
> the adrenals to keep cranking out cortisol, yet the pituitary
> does not respond to the elevated blood cortisol levels by
> stopping its release of ACTH. 85% of Cushing's cases
> are pituitary dependent. Dogs with pituitary dependent
> hyperadrenocorticism tend to have two very large adrenal
> glands, as both are constantly working to keep up production
> of excess cortisol."

IOW, YOU'RE KILLIN YOUR DOGS, PEOPLE!!!
The Puppy Wizard been tellin you so for 5 years NHOWE.

The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~ ) >

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Sonia Farley - 20 Feb 2005 05:04 GMT

I am new to the group and this is my first post. I am in the process of
training an autism assistance dog for my 3 year old son. We adopted a
beautiful (if overweight) yellow lab from the pound a few weeks ago. I was
told that she had spent 2 months in the pound. She had sores all over her
from being in a cage that was way to small for her but is healing up very
well now. We have only one problem with her. She is a very big girl (97 lbs)
and very strong. The problem is that she is too friendly lol. I am trying to
train her for public access but when we go out she wants to go 'say hi' to
everyone we see. Does anyone (other than the amazing puppy wizard) have any
ideas on this? Other than this one thing she is a very sweet and obedient
companion. Very calm ect. We just can't have her going to greet everyone we
see for obvious reasons.

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Ebbtide - 20 Feb 2005 08:40 GMT

I recently adopted a dog from the shelter also. She is the social butterfly
as well. I am using a book to train her that might help you.GOOD OWNERS,
GREAT DOGS by Brian Killcommons. It came highly recommended to me and I am
using it with great success. Pick it up at the library, if you like it you
can buy it for about $12 on Amazon. The illustrations are great and his
methods are basic and simple. He just came out with another book, CHILD
PROOFING YOUR DOG. I would imagine it would need to be a purchase. It is
specifically for people with dogs, babies and children. It is a skinny
little book where the other book is quite large and detailed. Labs are
'pullers' so you might need to use a specific collar for her. Killcommons
goes into a lot of detail on collars. Hope this hleps.

Joyce

>I am new to the group and this is my first post. I am in the process of
>training an autism assistance dog for my 3 year old son. We adopted a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>sweet and obedient companion. Very calm ect. We just can't have her going
>to greet everyone we see for obvious reasons.

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I Am - 20 Feb 2005 14:00 GMT

HOWEDY Sonia,

> I am new to the group

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Forums And School Of HARD KNOCKS And
HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY.

You're SETTIN in it <{) ; ~ ) >

> and this is my first post.

RELAXXX. Take off your SHOWES. Care for
a stick of gum? Smoke 'm if you got 'm. It's
important to be comfortable an RELAXXED
when you're learnin new STUFF <{) ; ~ ) >

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If this sort of thing is not likely to sit well with you,
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thug active acute incurable long term MENTAL
CASES hurt intimdiate and murder their own dogs
and lie abHOWET IT. <{) ; ~ ) >

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Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you
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study it well and do and follow ALL the
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100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT
SUCCESS for all handlers and all dogs in
all fields or utilities and behaviors all over
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And FOR FREE, to boot <{) ; ~ ) >

> I am in the process of training an autism
> assistance dog for my 3 year old son.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual is the gentlest
fastest most effective method for handling and
trainin ALL critters and will work equally as effectively
for your child as it will for your dog kat birdy or
SP-HOWES on accHOWENT of <{) ; ~ ) >:

A DOG IS A DOG;
As A KAT IS A KAT;
As A BIRDY IS A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES IS A SP-HOWES.

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's
And All Dogs,
And All Fields And All Utilities
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
All Over The Whole Wild World
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

> We adopted a beautiful (if overweight) yellow lab
> from the pound a few weeks ago.

YOU GET THE CRITTER YOU TRAINED

ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

> I was told that she had spent 2 months in the pound.

Irrelevent.

> She had sores all over her from being in a cage
> that was way to small for her

That's unlikely. The sores are probably from licking.

> but is healing up very well now.

Good.

> We have only one problem with her.

No?

> She is a very big girl (97 lbs) and very strong.

That's not very big. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
breeds are Great Danes and English Mastiffs <{) : ~ ) >
THEY are very big an very strong. THAT'S HOWE
COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard LEARNED HOWE
to handle and train them withHOWET using fear
force intimidation bribery avoidance or MURDERIN
them as HOWER DOG LOVERS TEND TO DO
when they can't force CON-TROLL and make their
dogs not be afraid of being forced and locked in
boxes and sprayed in the face with aversives and
scruff shaken and ear pinched and jerked and choked
on pronged spiked pinch choke collars on accHOWENT
of THEY DON'T CHOKE and dogs LOVE the FEEL
of them simulating his mommas teeth around his
throat to TEACH RESPECT and UNCONDITIONAL
LOVE <{) ; ~ ) >

> The problem is that she is too friendly lol.

INDEED? Ain't no such thing... S-HOWENDS
like she's HYPERACTIVE <{) ; ~ ) >

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

That's CAUSED by REPRESSIVE handling and
trainin methods as you'll see recommended by
the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active
long term acute incurable MENTAL CASES
you're askin for advice <{) ;~ ) >

> I am trying to train her for public access but
> when we go out she wants to go 'say hi' to
> everyone we see.

Good. Just be careful not to restrain her or
she's likely to become aggressive <{) ; ~ ) >

> Does anyone (other than the amazing puppy wizard)

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

> have any ideas on this?

BWEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

Most parents don't LIKE The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's METHODS on accHOWENT of they
SEE the MISHANDLING they've been doin to
their children as they read HOWE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard REHABILITATES those ADULT
HUMAN BEHAVIOR and TEMPERAMENT
PROBLEMS THEY HAVE that CAUSE their
children to GO INSANE JUST LIKE HOWE
HOWER DOG LOVERS HURT INTIMDIATE
BRIBE CRATE and MURDER HOWER BEST
DOGS <{) ; ~ ) >

> Other than this one thing she is a very sweet
> and obedient companion.

You mean she's submissive <{) : ~ ( >

> Very calm ect.

Untlil she meets someWON she doesn't fear.

Dog training AIN'T a matter of OPINION or LUCK;
it's a PRECISE SCIENCE within the immutable
Laws of Nature.

ALL behaivor problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
and ALL behavior problems can be CURED NEARLY
INSTANLY withHOWET HURTIN INTIMIDATING CRATING
BRIBING or otherWIZE negatively interacting in ANY
manner with HOWER BEAST FRIENDS, but ONLY if
you follow the PROVEN EFFECTIE METHODS PRECISELY
and ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any
additional FREE HEELP.

You'll train ALL behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY
or The Amazing Puppy Wizard will get the heel
HOWETA this business.

> We just can't have her going to greet
> everyone we see for obvious reasons.

You'll have to choke her to stop her from doin that...
or you'll be told to BRIBE her to not MAKE FRIENDS,
IF YOU LISTEN TO THE ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES YOU'RE ASKIN FOR ADVICE.

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest?

"With him,
words play no torturing tricks.........., "
--John Galsworthy.

Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

"Birds of a feather," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{) ; ~ ) >

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.

Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval
of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis.

"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.

The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.

Discipline - The "NO!" Command - HOWE Dogs And
Children Learn To Tell You "NO!" And HOWE COME
They RUN HOWET On You

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amanda [mailto:ama...@dcfwatch.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Discipline
> On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T__ wrote:
>
> funny you bring this up... i met the most wonderful
> couple.. man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his life
> who uses a technique that is ONLY praise and distraction
> with some family pack exercises.

>They spent the day with us sunday helping me on my
> two pits... one is a protective/aggressive 20 month old
> female who is my bubby :) and our 7 week male pup.
> anyway.. not only did i nip any and all aggression issues
> in mere minutes...he and his wife helped me with my kids.

> I was and always have been a spanker.

> It is all i knew how.. i never, ever wanted to be..
> but i was. my house/kids were out of control..
> i was always stressed.

> Since he and his wife came down sunday we've
> had a HUGE change... for the first time the kids
> didn't destroy my house before i woke up... my
> 3yo was in my bed coloring waiting for us to wake
> up... this is the first time she ever used paper
> :) she usually does walls, furniture.

> Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works.

> I have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very
> bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am and
> know it :) There has not been a temper tantrum in two
> days in my house.

> You guys have no idea how great this is.

> But best of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye
> or a tone of that is in any way short of absolute praise..
> no shouting.. not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada.. ONLY
> praise.

> They even taught my kids not to take candy unless
> i say so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her
> ears for candy..

> it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and
> now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my
> closet (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there
> and NO ONE has eaten one! My 3 yo is even helping
> me pick up the house.. the baby took my lingerie chest
> apart.. and she cleaned it up! first time!

> They don't even go out the open door without my
> offering it! they helped me sort laundry.. clean the
> living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt
> from the fridge andwalked to our kitchen table, sat
> down and ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table
> and eat!

> We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so
> when they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you
> show me how you sit pretty?? and they ALL hop
> down and show me to sit pretty with their feet NOT
> on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost
> fell over..

> thanks for reminding me to share my joy!

> I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!

> here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!
>
> > how old is your bub amanda? waht's the bub doing?/
>
> > Hello again ladies,
> > Amanda, I love your signature. I also do not spank my
> > daughter, however, she is at an age where she really is
> > asserting her independence.

> > Can anyone help with ideas of what I can do? Blessings,
> > T.

Subject: Re Discipline. Also, SLEEP!
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500
From: Amanda <ama...@dcfwatch.com>

> Can you go into this a little more? How did they
> accomplish all this in one day?

My learning is progressive. I email or call him with
questions. But, i'm getting most of it myself. Something
clicked.

How would we do it with our families?

that is kind of broad.. ask me specifics... or i'd still be
typing when your kids are in college ;)

> I really have problems controlling my temper when I am
> already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me:

Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had
problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old
wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so
strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do
instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and
then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed
me how to do it.

pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc.

Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me..
hurting me and then laughing.

Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it
all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned... as it is
i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two
days (my neighbors two streets over are happy :)

Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it
ellicits your ultimate attention. Does your 3 year old enjoy
fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the minute
you pick up the phone?? No.

They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's
what they want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it is
controlling you.

Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure
they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are
watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be. they
should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and
she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and
expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there
to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost.

When they learn to follow you.. it's all good.

Now, take my 19 mo old. She had this habit of sipping 4 oz
from her bottle and demanding more. if i didn't refill it..
she threw a hgue fit. Now she hands me her bottle and says
more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and
pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it
back saying MY Baba!! She wants that bottle.. so she takes it
and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it. we had a huge
problem with them taking things they cant have and when i
wanted it they ran... now i give the baby (19mo) my finger..
and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout My finger! that's
mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she resists.. and i go
"Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives it to me and i
gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're welcome.. and i
give her the finger back... then i hand her say a lighter...
and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i have that???
and she gives it over etc. Of course sometimes she'll have a
cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell say No.
and i say that's ok! and tickle her or snap my fingers and
say good girl naya.. good job.. then ill start my game again
and wrestle and try to take it gently... then.. can i have
that??? she gives it over. this works with everything now.

> Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like
> that.

Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced
control. you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract
and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids. Put
some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it..
make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice
baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and
breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like
mad!

> How would I apply this in those situations? Also, what do
> you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough
> to distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal
> objects into electrical outlets, trying to get into the
> oven, etc.?

Use your judgement.. if you have the distance/time to
distract... do it.. if you don't... pick them up and away..
but act like it's to throw em in the air.. so they don't know
youre forcing control by phsycially removing them... cuz when
you force control.. with the come command when you want your
dog away from something... or when you pull a dirty shoe from
your baby's mouth.. you put value on it.

Like when your kid puts a penny in its mouth.. youll try to
pry its mouth open to get it... and he'll clamp right down..
you gave that penny VALUE! it's not just a piece of crap..
mom WANTS IT!

so.. instead you make a game.. say you want em to smit it
out... walk somewhere else... attract their attention.. be
kinda sneaky... odds are the thing in their mought will get
annoying and they'll spit it out when they walk toward you...
if all else fails.. pry it outta their smiling jaws... snatch
em up away from falling down... but only when you have to..
then work realy hard to overcome that forced control.

Also don't make a big deal about it.. or else theyll learn not
only to command your attention, but also mom will always catch
me so she is watching me.. not me watching her.

> I never realized how spirited C__ was until I started
> tending other kids.

those are my kids. I have had social workers with their
degrees in child development stop offering me services cuz
they couldn't handle my kids... my friends call mine the
obstinate kids.

> They're docile kittens compared to C__! This brings up
> another question - what do you do when YOUR child is the
> bully?

if you catch it before it happens.. loud sound.. big
distraction and PRAISE. if you catch it afterward... distract
and say oh my goodness! and pay attention to the other kid...
he wont get the attention... then explain how that hurts.
odds are your kid won't hurt another kid if he truly
understands its not nice.

> C__ is always beating the other boy over the head when he
> comes over.
> We don't hit in anger in our family

i have.. everyone does in my family... i did it a few times
over 4 years... but that is because i didn't know how not to.
i know now.. and i wanna tell everyone i can.. so someone else
doesn't spank their kids due to a lack of knowledge.

> (we do it playfully sometimes, so we are curtailing that
> in case it is giving him ideas)

my kids, 6yo, 3yo and 19 month old, favorite game is chasing
around the house (all 4 of us) with wooden spools yelling at
the top of our lungs "I'm gonna beat your a$$.. HA HA HA... no
IM gonna beat YOUR a$$ MU HA HA HA" my neighbors prolly
think im nuts.. but the kids love it dog even plays too

> but I admit that after I have been trying to get him to go
> to sleep for 45 minutes, I get a little rough sometimes.
> It's really frustrating. He'll be dead tired - eyes
> bright red, fussy, eyes almost closing every 5 seconds.

It gets worse... they all do it around that time.. they don't
want to sleep.. andyou know what? they don't grow out of it
until they're parents :) it's one of those times you have to
use your patience and keep distracting and praising.

> So I'll take him into the bedroom, and lay down to nurse
> him. He'll nurse for about 5 seconds and then jump up and
> run to the window and start bending the blinds.

he wants you upset.. he wants your undivided attention. you
have to refuse it.. no evil eye.. no "conner" quiet or not..
no anger.. complete nonchalance.. they have to have a total
complete entire lack fo negative attention.. and all they'll
be able to do is sit back and enjoy the positive!

One shout.. one name call.. one No! and it takes awhile to
work up to the positive only.

> So I gently pick him up and lay him back down.

try not to.. but if you have to ok

> And we repeat the process over 10000 times.

when he goes to sit up.. when yous see the thought on his
face.. distract with sound and follow with praise or a song or
giggle.

> Then I get frustrated and lay him down less gently.

better than my method of plop em in the crib and let em cry.
No anger.. stay calm.. meditate, pray.. breath.. try to
remember they will not always be this small.. and youll never,
ever for anything get it back. it's what im using

> That makes him cry, which is the last straw that
> FINALLY gets him to nurse to sleep.

He got you riled up.. what he wanted.. time to sleep.

> Writing it out, I thought of something. He must have a
> lot of excess tension he needs to release before sleeping,
> and finally crying releases it for him.

no way... crying isn't a release.. sometimes.. maybe for
some people.. crying is frustration, pain, hunger,
sadness... sometimes joy.. sometimes tension.. but not
because of his life.. because he's insecure... their dealing
with negative and positive.. and thats what makes em
insecure.

> Any good ways to do this that don't involve crying?

distraction and praise.. if all else fails get up and dance..
fast for day.. slow rocking at night.

> Turning on soft music and swaying in the sling used to
> work for us, but now he either grabs at everything he can
> reach or bends over backwards until he's hanging upside
> down.

cuzhe knows what you're doing. hold him instead.. or sit him
in your lap on the bed and rock

> Putting the sling over his shoulders to prevent that
> doesn't work either. He acts like he is being tortured
> and screams and fights to get out.

becuase it is forced control.

> Katie

Amanda

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> news:91381045.0301211225.6d5f60e5@posting.google.com.
> ..
> > > This makes me wonder. If the dog taught himself
> > > to get the kid off of it by biting, why can't
> > > you teach it another method. When my dog nipped
> > > to protect my kids, i taught her with
> > > distraction and praise.

> > What did you teach her to do instead of nipping?

> First we used distraction and praise to teach her
> biting is not ok. 2 weeks ago we had to seperate
> her from the puppy in order to feed them.

> She would run over, bite him then take his food.
> If he licked the carpet where juice was spilled he
> got bitten. just examples. Then during meals, when
> she moved toward him we (me, my husband, jerry
> and his wife) used sound distraction and praise.

> We trained her to stay away from him. Then we
> let them get close, when she looked like she was
> thinking of biting (snap) good girl! good dog... and
> she would let him close. since he advanced to
> eating her food she began laying down and allowing
> him tot ake over. so we taught her to find his food
> and eat his.

> Just doing this has taught her to share. If he's too
> roudy and the kids aren't inviting.. she will find
> her rope and give it to him. if he takes her kong,
> she does and finds his and either gets him
> to take his own king or simply lets him have his.
> we did this by feeding her as much as she wanted,
> giving her plenty of toys. we taught her there is
> always more.. we broke that instinct of self
> preservation. now they share from the same
> bowl. not even a growl.

> then when she growled because my friends kid went
> near her while she was nursing, we put her on lead
> just long enough to come 1 foot from the kid. just
> in case. we put the kid on the floor in her mum's
> lap with the puppy and used distraction and praise
> if she seemed upset. then when she went near the kid
> in a fashion like she was going to protect
> something.. the kids, their food what have you.. we
> used praise and distraction. then it progressed to
> the other day.. the kid was smacking kelly in the
> face. pummeling beyond all belief she has taken
> from my own kids.. like if the 23 lb 19 month old
> goes to stand on her, kelly will brace herself and
> hold still so the baby doesn't fall off. when the
> baby stands on her we distract the baby and praise
> kelly for waiting. so anyway.. she's being smacked
> in the face by the same kid who likes to try and dig
> eyeballs out. kelly snarled her lip.. no sound..
> just showed her teeth... sound and praise! and she
> broke her thought and came over to me. when the
> puppy was biting her so hard she cried (pits
> dont cry easily) we used sound and praise when she
> went to defend herself. then we would go to him and
> distract him off. in less than a week she learned
> to either a. drag him to me or my husband still
> attached and shaking her ear/neck/leg or b. distract
> him herself.

> she sees us use distraction and gentle
> measures and she does them too. when he's trying to
> dig a hole she engages him in play. when the
> kid is going somewhere she shouldn't.. kelly will
> run over to her.. and seperate the kid from say the
> kitchen and guide her in another direction. when
> the puppy is biting something he shouldn't.. she
> finds a kong and offers him the appropriate chewing
> method.

> Dogs are smart. She only knew to nip or growl or
> bite. We taught her gentle ways and she learned
> them. Dogs don't want to bite kids or puppies or
> people.. but they want results. if they know the
> food will never run out.. why should they bite over
> food? if they know someone else will distract a
> biting pup why would she bite him? all she has to
> do is find me and i will do it... why does she need
> to nip the lil kid again? she knows i will stop the
> kid from hurting her. yes it still requires alot of
> supervision, because this kid does in fact hurt her
> alot and she is not part of our pack. but that is
> part of my responsibility as well. Jerry calls it
> allomimetic behaviour.. i think its plain logic. the
> dog won't bite if it knows a whimper or cry
> will attract help. but if no one else is in
> control... as we were not two weeks ago.. the dog
> will take matters into its own hands.

> And for Donna who asked how safe setting up an
> incident is?

> it is very safe. If you know the dog will bite the
> kid if it goes near its food.. you put the dog on
> lead and have someone hold the lead securely. MAKE
> SURE the lead will not reach say.. 1.5 feet away
> from the food dish. then let the kid go near the
> food. the dog couldn't reach if it tried,
> and if it did you are right there to priase
> distract. It is much more difficult in the OP's
> situation since the kid is close enough to bite.
> i'll let jerry elaborate on that. and i wouldn't try
> that without his advice. but if you know
> your dog likes to lunge through the front door at
> the mailman.. put the dog on lead and open the door
> and use praise/distraction.. the dog won't go
> anywhere, but you can set it up to stop the thought.

> it's really a common sense thing.

> i knew i needed to set up a situation and knew i
> couldn't risk a bite.. so i used a freaking leash that
> wasn't long enough to reach the lil kid. voila. by the
> time the dog realized it wanted to do something
> bad.. it forgot it was on lead... and you
> distract/praise and break the behaviour before the
> dog is mid lunge at the end of the leash.

> Amanda
> Whose vicious, aggressive, hopeless pit bull who
> should be watched carefully walked by a barking dog
> who was off lead as it growled at me and heeled
> immediately to "protect" but never used more than 1
> foot of the lead and didn't bark or growl back.

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Leah Roberts - 20 Feb 2005 16:00 GMT

>The problem is that she is too friendly lol. I am trying to
>train her for public access but when we go out she wants to go 'say hi' to
>everyone we see. Does anyone (other than the amazing puppy wizard) have any
>ideas on this? Other than this one thing she is a very sweet and obedient
>companion. Very calm ect. We just can't have her going to greet everyone we
>see for obvious reasons.

I would suggest that you take her to a basic obedience class. You can
get much more out of a personal experience than a newsgroup post. :}
And getting this behavior under control has to do with many issues
that are addressed in a good class - attention, walking nicely on
leash, and proper greeting behaviors.

Good luck!

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I Am - 20 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT

HOWEDY leah,

> >The problem is that she is too friendly lol.

Well then, leah is just the right WON to ask for heelp!

> > I am trying to train her for public access

Yeah. leah's RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie
who'd been IN SOCIALIZATION CLASSES with her
since IT was ten weeks old JUST RECENTLY MURDERED
a little INNOCENT DEAD DOG at the park and her
OTHER recent "STUDENT'S" Bichons RECENTLY
MURDERED their own HOWEsbunny and leah
thought it was FUNNY:

"It was kind of funny, in an absurd way. The rabbit
was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried
blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs
stiffening quickly.

It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so
that made it much harder for her.

And he was killed by bichons.

Her dogs had torn it apart. My one student who had
shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I
had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds
for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was dead.

(The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to "pain").

Full moon.

Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com

> Then she mentioned the names of her dogs,
> and I immediately remembered them.

YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie who'd been in your SOCIALIZATION
classes since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY
MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park.

> I will always remember the dogs.

Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN.

You hurt intimidate and murder critters, leah.

> > but when we go out she wants to go 'say hi' to
> > everyone we see. Does anyone (other than the
> > amazing puppy wizard) have any ideas on this?

leah will teach you HOWE to train your dog
to be NICE and take care of your child JUST
LIKE HOWE she trained her RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie and them two Bichons to
MURDER INNOCENT DEAD CRITTERS <{) ; ~ ) >

> > Other than this one thing she is a very sweet

INDEEDY!

> > and obedient companion. Very calm ect.

Well, leah will CURE THAT in no time at all,
JUST LIKE HOWE she trained her own fear
aggressive HOWETA CON-TROLL hyperactive
dogs to DESTROY her own HOWES an try
to attack her brother in law and attack her five
times, which she will DENY on accHOWENT
of she's a LYING DOG ABUSING LONG TERM
ACTIVE ACUTE INCURABLE MENTAL CASE:

Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her chronic
mental problems. Recenly changed to
another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription.

"I don't think Jerry intentionally lies. I think he twists
things around in his own mind until he actually believes
what he's saying."

Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous
advice. Google for spike and squirt. And let's not
forget the times he's told posters whose dogs have
medical problems that his halfwits-end program could
cure them.

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life

SEE? TOLD YOU SO.

> > We just can't have her going to greet
> > everyone we see for obvious reasons.

Like leah's RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie <{) ; ~ ) >

> I would suggest that you take her to
> a basic obedience class.

Like the kind YOU SELL, leah? Like the kind
YOU SOLD to that RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie who RECENTLY MURDERED
a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park, leah?
Or do you mean like the kinda CLASSES you
SOLD to your STUDENT who's Bichon's
MURDERED her DEAD HOWEsbunny, leah?

> You can get much more out of a personal
> experience than a newsgroup post. :}

That so, leah? YOUR POSTED CASE HISTORY
will PROVE you're a FRAUD A LIAR A DOG
ABUSER A COWARD and ACTIVE INCURABLE
LONG TERM ACUTE MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) >

> And getting this behavior under control

Takes five minutes if you stop HURTING
and RESTRAINING the dog, leah <{) ; ~ ) >

> has to do with many issues

No it don't, leah. It's got to do with RESTRAINT.

> that are addressed in a good class -

Like the kind YOU SOLD to the OWNERS
of the MURDERHOWES RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie YOU TRAINED since ten weeks
of age and the likeWIZE DEFRAUDED ABUSED
owner of the DEAD BUNNY YOU TRAINED her
little dogs to MURDER, leah?

> attention,

You seem to think offerin BRIBES to dogs teaches
them to PAY ATTENTION to you, leah. IT DON'T.
It TEACHES dogs you WITHHOLD bribes attention
and affection and makes dogs FEAR AGGRESSIVE.

Like them Bichon's and Rottie you TRAINED
to MURDER INNOCENT CRITTERS, leah <{) ; ~ ) >

> walking nicely on leash,

You was just LEARNIN HOWE to use your
slip choke collar on your own dogs on accHOWENT
of they AIN'T RESPONDING to your PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE collar and GL NECKTWISTER.

> and proper greeting behaviors.

Like that RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie
and them Bichons you turned into MURDERERS, leah?

> Good luck!

Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, dog abuser.

> Leah Roberts, Family Dog Trainer
> It's A Dog's World

"She bit me on the nose. That was a true bite.
Not unprovoked, but still a bite. The snarling
and barking was vicious - the bite was a quick
snap, and the cuts weren't deep."

"Once I was holding her bone for her while she
chewed it (something she loves). She mistakenly
put a tooth in my finger instead of the bone."

"The other time was something I reported here
because I thought it was funny. I was sitting on
the floor with my supposedly agile, coordinated
BC dancing around me, mouth hanging open
with tongue flopping goofily. She tripped over
my legs and fell tooth-first into my forehead."

"Oh, okay. One more, I guess. When I had only
had her a few days, and she hadn't yet learned
not to nip during play, she jumped up and grabbed
my t-shirt, pinching some skin. It hurt but, again,
there was no blood."

Subject: MAJOR Problem with Madigan:

"And something happened yesterday that I'm not
even ready to talk about. I'm too shocked, overwhelmed,
discouraged, upset... and it's 100% my fault because,
in retrospect, I see how I actually *trained* her to do it. Sigh.

Oh, okay. I said it out loud (or rather, wrote it out loud :},
so I might as well go on... (just changed the subject line,
too, because I fear this will turn into a rather volatile thread
on its own)...

She bit me.

Not nipped me. Bit me. Drew blood. A lot of it.

Left three holes in my nose.

I have never been bitten by a dog before.
Least of all my own puppy.

In fact, I denied it at first. "She didn't bite me,"
I told my husband. "She was just clumsy and
hit me in the nose with her teeth."

"She bit you," he told me. "You have tooth marks."

"I don't know what to do. I somehow took a gentle,
non-violent dog and trained her to bite. Not only that,
but to bite ME in the FACE! How do I address that now?"

"I've had dogs all my adult life, and thought I knew a
lot about them. It's only been since I got Madigan in
January and began training classes, reading books,
and hanging out *here* that I realized how LITTLE I
knew about training them. I made so many mistakes,
especially on my heart dog - my eskie - because he
was the only dog I had who had behavior problems.

He was yelled at, slapped, made to smell his messes
(at least I didn't push his nose IN them) and isolated
for long "time outs." I only wish I had it to do over again."

> I kept teasing her in a way that made her
> act out, then got right in her face.

Whatever. It was JUST WON TIME.

> Stupid, stupid human.

Naaah. THAT ain't what makes you HOWET
to BE STUPID, leah. What makes you STUPID
is to think you know anything abHOWET trainin
dogs.

Really Bad Day
Date: 2004-03-21 17:34:07 PST

HOWEDY leah,

> The mom of a graduate student

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

You're no dog trainer, you're a FRAUD.

> interrupted my class,

Class??? You don't have trainin classes you
teach people to throw treats to dogs for mindless
unthinking behaviors and tell folks to jerk and
choke and shock dogs when bribing and avoiding
behaviors doesn't work an then you try to get HOWET
callin THAT, trainin.

> in a state of shock,

AnyWON who'd trust you to train them to handle
their dog was in a state of shock or takin anti psychotic
meds before they started.

> to tell me that her rottie had killed a little
> dog at a dog park today.

Tough break. R.I.P., dog.

> She wanted to know if she had to put him to sleep.

That's typical of a dog abusing coward, ain't it.

> Mack is the quintessential dog-park dog.

You mean he likes to PLAY.

> I've seen him play, with all sizes of dogs.

Yeah. A dog is a dog.

> He's gentle, friendly, non-dominant, non-aggressive,
> and has been going to the park weekly since he was
> a puppy.

And he's been jerked and choked and scolded
and punished and bribed since you began messin
with him.

> I was in too much of a state of shock myself

You mean, you was NORMAL.

> to get details (like which park and what exactly happened),

Yeah. That'll be REAL important for trHOWEbleshootin
this behavior problem. Won't it, leah.

> but she said he chased him,

And MOM couldn't call him off cause IT won't
come when called nor will IT do anything else
unless MOM is danglin a cookie in front of him.

> picked him up and shook him,

Typical Rottie behavior, ain't it.

> then grabbed his brother.

SHOWENDS like he was just HAVIN FUN,
like when you jerk and choked him to train him.

> The other one survived.

Got LUCKY, eh leah?

> Man. I tell my students in every class that dogs
> are not little people in fur suits.

But that's just the begining. Then you teach them
to HURT and INTIMIDATE their dogs when they
can't BRIBE and AVOID their behavior problems.

> They are animals.

They're able to HOWEtwit you and your ilk, leah.

> They have no morals,

Perhaps that's just allelomimetic behavior?

> and don't know right from wrong

AMAZING? Chalk THAT up to allelomimetic
behavior, for SHORE.

> - only safe from not safe.

RIGHT. That's HOWE COME dogs ATTACK,
cause they're AFRAID of SUMPTHIN.

> But then prey drive

You mean, when the dinner bell rings? Prey
drive ain't got NUTHIN to do with FEAR. Dogs
chase PREY to EAT, not have FUN. Dogs chase
THINGS on accHOWENT of the visual oral reflex,
not PREY drive. Unless they're chasin a bunny
their PREY is in their food dish.

> rears its ugly head and really
> shoves the message home.

The MESSAGE is, you've HURT the dog to
force control over IT and THAT'S HOWE
COME IT was AFRAID and ATTACKED,
not on accHOWENT of some IDIOCY
abHOWET PREY drive.

> Because I'd bet that's what happened.

You're a MENTAL CASE a LIAR and a dog abuser.

> This little white fuzzy guy whizzed by
> Mack, and his prey drive kicked in.

No. He was afraid he was gonna GET HURT
for CHASIN IT, so he ATTACKED and MURDERED
IT on accHOWENT of he knew he'd GET HURT
for CHASIN IT.

> Plain and simple.

Plain an simple indeed.

> Not a bad dog,

Right. Dogs can't know from BAD behavior.
Dogs only respond in PREDICTABLE NORMAL
NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE
ways to situations and circumstances of their
environments which we create for them.

> not a dangerous dog.

Not till NHOWE.

EVERY DOG IS DANGERHOWES.

> Just a dog. *Any* dog.

Is a dog and is dangerHOWES. THAT'S HOWE
COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't HURT
and INTIMIDATE and BRIBE them an try to get
HOWET callin THAT, trainin.

> I'm beginning to think that dog parks should
> be divided by size.

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

> Even in my class, if I have two puppies of
> vastly different sizes, I'm inches away from
> them while they're playing.

To INTIMIDATE and FORCE control when necessary.
THAT'S HOWE COME you can't TRAIN a dog to BE
TRUSTWORTHY. Like your own dogs...

> I'm not afraid of mouths, I'm afraid of feet - I
> do paw patrol.

You're a IDIOT.

> Especially if the big dog is a boxer. :}

BWEEEHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

> In the park, nobody's ever close enough
> to monitor well enough.

Perhaps they should be required to wear shock collars?

> At least if two similar-sized dogs go at it,
> one's probably not going to kill each other
> with a mere shake.

Or put a eye HOWET.

> But it's so *easy* for a big dog to kill a little dog.

No, that takes a bit of EXXXPERTISE, like what
the owner PAID YOU FOR.

> What do you guys think?

You're INSANE and you're a FRAUD.

> I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.

It will, as you get MOORE EXXXPERIENCE.

> PetsMart Pet Trainer

You're no trainer, you're a FRAUD.

> My Kids, My Students, My Life:

Your own dogs bit you five times and
destroyed your HOWES and ruined
your marriage. You MURDERED your
own DEAD DOG Buck cause you was
TOO STUPID to put him on a salt restricted
diet for his congestive heart failure and fed
him pizza and french fries and then MURDERED
HIM cause you was TOO LAZY to walk him
every two HOWERS in the cold central Florida
weather.

R.I.P. Dog.

Here's you ARBITRARILY MURDERIN your own
DEAD DOG Buck on accHOWENT of you was
TOO LAZY or TOO MENTALLY ILL to WALK HIM:

Won Last Gift

HOWEDY People,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard wouldn't
ever CONsider MURDERING a dog if
he had just WON MOORE "HOWEDY!"
left in him.

> http://www.canineaction.com
> My Kids, My Students, My Life:

You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG
Buck cause you was TOO LAZY to walk
him and TOO STUPID to restrict salt from
his congestive heart failure diet supplemented
with lasix, FRENCH FRIES and PIZZA.

And THEN you CHANGED YOUR MIND
just after the veterinarian MURDERED HIM
for you for your CONvenience.

From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF)
Subject: Re: It's Over
Date: 2001-07-13 18:46:21 PST

>Ann Stewart astewart7@home.com wrote:
>
> After Ken shaved Tosca's leg to prep him
> for the injection I told him to stop because
> I couldn't go through with it.

I had that impulse the moment that Buck's
eyes closed and he went limp. I wanted to
scream, "No! I made a mistake!"

I'm just glad I didn't break down until that moment.

I was able to smile at him and say happy things
while he was watching me. So at least the last
thing he saw and heard was the most important
thing in his life - me, telling him I loved him.

From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF)
Subject: Re: It's Over
Date: 2001-07-15 08:11:21 PST

>"MaryBeth" marbeths@home.com wrote:
>
> "Euthanasia is that one last great gift
> you can give your beloved pet. It's when
> you take *their* pain from them and
> make it your own."

This is a very comforting statement. And
so true. Can I plagarize you? :} I've also
been hanging in the alt.support.pet-loss
newsgroup since I lost my eskie, and
there are a lot of people there who would
benefit from hearing this. :}

From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF)
Subject: Re: It's Over
Date: 2001-07-13 12:25:22 PST

Thank you, everybody, for your kind words.
They really do help.

I really didn't think this would be so hard.
I thought I was ready. I thought I'd feel
relieved that Buck was "safe" from further
suffering.

All I can see is his eyes as he looked into
mine, trusting me, as the vet gave him the
needle.

I don't know if I'd ever have the courage
to do this again. I hope I never have to.

Leah.

=================

> "MaryBeth" <marbeths@NOSPAMcomcast.net>
> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> MB <G>

From: Seeing Spots $Val$ (Holmes.V@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST

HEY!!!

There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian
who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I
am working to resolve after adopting her from a
shelter she spent 2 years in.

All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.

There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to seperate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.

Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of
the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the guy
is pretty clever, you're letting him get under
your skin.

It makes for a very amusing game I think.

I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't
believe that his method of training weren't valid.

Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far,
using the Wits' End, I have gotten my dalmatian
to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.

I have changed her from an aggressive dog to
one who is willing to please her owner, willing
to listen, willing to assume her role in the pack.

The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking

P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing
into me, ok?

MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY
ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*

Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's
only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and
who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.

MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)

Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid, has suffered from or been:

suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of
PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit,
bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of
her, high blood pressure, divorced,
"raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four
years, "living through layers and layers
of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight
gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull
headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of
concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
name it...etc...

MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell

"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."

"<G> I do know the power of meds,
especially on a long term basis, and it's
not pretty. You become another person, if
it's not the correct med for you.

--All the best,
MaryBeth

"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."

"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for
menopause."

--MaryBeth

"I noticed that antidepressants cut
libido into the dead zone and I had no
real emotions, like not laughing at funny
stuff, couldn't cry either.....except about
my suicidal thoughts (but at the time I
thought there was no other way out)."

--MaryBeth

"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid
today. I talked with RE and pharmacist re:
zoloft 50 mg daily) and ineraction with
Clomid.

They reported none. Not sure about the
prozac tho. Gonna poat a new message to
intorduce myself :)"

--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself>
<G>

"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and
lost many many treasured ppl and things.
Please don't do the same.
(((((((SCOUT))))))))))

--MaryBeth

"Slowly but surely my depression got worse
and worse. They put me on meds for it, and
all along kept telling me to wait on the
TKR, as 'it really wasn't that
bad.....yet". HA!" The depression got so
bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve
gone thru"

--MaryBeth

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >

P.S. Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.

> Mini Adolph Hitler (aka megalomanic) wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Go and practice your wild facism somewhere else.

---------------------------------------------------------------

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Dermer" <dermer@csd.uwm.edu>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>
> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>
> I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
> and now must applaud your attempts to save
> animals from painful training procedures.
>
> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
> who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
> alert the world to animal abuse.
>
> We are lucky to have you, and more people should
> come to their senses and support your valuable
> work.
>
> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?
>
> Have you thought about holding a press conference
> so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
> and significant work?
>
> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
>
> I wish you well in your endeavors.
>
> --Marshall Dermer
> Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
> Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/
> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
> dermer@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

> --------------------------------------

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

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