Meeting Scientific Critterier In A Death Match
Hello Harold,
Attached is my dog training manual. I haven't got your book
yet, but I will have it soon. I hope you've got some time to
read my manual and let me know what you think.
I've been having one heel of a flame war with the "expert"
professional dog trainers, and I intend to sink their ship
with all hands aboard.
You can find me on the usenet dog behavior group
rec.pets.dogs.behavior. Perhaps you'll choose to join in for a
few discussions.
As I said, I've got no idea about your dog training methods
but I will have ni due course. I welcome your comments and
corrective criticism of my text. There's lots more coming, but
it's adequate for J.Q.P.'s (including the pet professionals)
needs today.
I believe my methods are the fastest, gentlest, and most
effective for all dogs and all their utilities and hobby or
show training.
As I'm looking through your site, my hackles raise when I
read: If you take a class from a Positive Reinforcement ONLY
trainer and your dog doesn't mind at the end, don't fault your
dog or yourself. Get into a "Balanced" training program that
uses both positive and (if the positive doesn't work),
negative consequences. The ultimate negative consequences are
"being put to sleep" or "getting killed" because the dog runs
out in the road. Saving your dog from these two negative
consequences is humane, even if the dog may experience minor
negative consequences in training."
Sounds like a word for word quote from our pal wm koehler.
That's inappropriate thinking. Justifying negative
interactions to manifest good behavior through demonstrated
self discipline using punishment is hippocricy.
Please don't misunderstand me, I'm only making an observation
as I read your site. I'm not yet well read about your
approach. But I do take a firm stand on physically or
emotionally non force, non confrontation methods.
I strongly disagree with the use of NO in any situation with
the dog. Children are different, they can understand no, you
can't have a cookie till after dinner. Tellng children no in
situations like that teaches them self control and restrain,
and makes them value "treats" which will enrich the
experience. Dogs do not have that ability to understand. We
can easily teach them to ignore something or respond in any
which way we choose to teach them to respond. But there's no
effective way to tell the dog NO in so many words.
Using bribes in any manner is inappropriate and will teach the
dog or child greed and avarice, not reinforce good behavior.
The 'treat' distracts from the satisfaction and understanding
of the work or commands they're learning. Look at it like an
artist must feel when he appreciates his work so much that
he'll not even sell it, Vs the satisfacton level the artist
feels when he looks at George Wasington and doesn't have his
beautiful work to enjoy. Thinking about the work of art now
becomes much like "buyer's remorse." He may think "I could dig
ditches or program computers to make a buck... but that work
of art is gone, and all's I got now to show for it is some
pictures of dead Presidents."
I've got a breakthrough in behavior modification, a high
frequency sound program that rehabilitates most animal
behavior problems... like neighborhood barking dogs, feral or
neighbor's kat's fighting and spraying, car sickness, fear of
thunder, shyness, aggression, digging, chewing, separation
anxiety, little things like that. It also works to stop
excessive rooster crowing and parrot screeching, helps hand
tame birdies and stops diarreaha in newly rescued feral
kats... I'm gettin about 98% effectiveness. My machine
broadcasts to the entire neighborhood, so if you can hear
barking dogs or fighting kats, they can hear my machine the
those anxiety behavior problems will cease in due course.
GUARANTEED. Check it out: http://www.doggydoright.com
Curiously, my machine works better for people who do not even
own or train the animals in question, because that obviates
trainer's handling errors that cause most of those behavior
problems in the first place. Even fear of thunder can be
reasonbly proven to be connected to being only a side effect
of force and/or crate "training."
I'd be hard pressed to agree with any need to ever punish or
have a negative interaction with a dog or child. I like to
believe I'm smarter than that, as I've always said, trainers
who need to bribe, force, or hurt dogs to train them do so
only because they don't have the intellect to outwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog. Or they would, wouldn't
they?
That's either a yes or a no answer, isn't it. There's no
shades of grey to these issues of force, punishment, and
bribes. They're either right or wrong. That's why I take
extreme exception to the idea that we "tailor" our methods to
the individual dogs: "Unlike some books that teach a parenting
"method" that assumes all children are the same and they all
respond to the "method," this chapter teaches you how to work
with each dog individually."
"Positive reinforcement is an important part of parenting, but
it doesn't always work. This chapter cuts through
thenonsensical idea that reward systems can solve all of your
parenting problems with all children." I don't approve of
physical rewards for exactly this reason. Emotional rewards
are always more satisfying. My student's dogs wait with baited
breath on every word from their people, because that cuts to
the heart of the matter, the very nature of the beast:
BONDING.
If we have effective methods we will condition the dog to the
method according to the scientific principle that scientific
methods will be consistant across the board, or they wouldn't
meet the critterier.
So, if our "experts" need to rely on food, fear, force,
confrontation, confinement or any negative interaction
whatsoever, they do so only becsuse they LIKE to, because I've
just shown them better in their FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual, available for FREE at
http://www.doggydoright.com , unless of course they don't have
the intellect to outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog.
Dog's and children's lives depend on the way we handle and
train them. This is more than just dog training as you have
found out. We have trainers who'll do ANYTHING to save a dog
from the needle, and I'll do ANYTHING to save us from trainers
like that. So, if you think anyone can justify any negative
interactions with dogs for behavior modification or control,
I'll challenge him to a duel. j;~}
This is pretty incredible stuff:
Here's a couple quotes from our dog abusing lying Thug pals on
r.p.d.b:
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe
There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is
Anything But Destructive," amy "Get A 30"- 40" Stick. CHUCK
IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand," As it
catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog
is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable
without any ear pinch, you are finished" "This is continued
resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops
it, chuck
it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!" "(stay on the ear
until it
does)" "(perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog
has decided it isn't worth it)" "You can have a helper wield
the stick, or
do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you
to progress to striking them more sharply" Try pinching the
ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle
on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" "but
will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch" You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb" "even get
a studded collar and pinch the ear against that" "Make the
dog's need
to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades
in importance" dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."
Here's a couple words from my students:
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@easynews.com> wrote in
message news:pjaootcg8dgrptuu96383933eqk2jjp7b2@4ax.com...
> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the
> literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and
> "make the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once
> or twice,
just by
> taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
> The
pup
> got scared and just wanted to stay away from me.
> That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training
> manual -- that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around
> great guy.
> The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this: make
> yourself the center of your puppy's world -- his personal
> Lord Jesus.
Never
> give him a reason to fear you or think you're angry. Love
> the
heck
> out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
> This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do anything I
> want her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100
> percent, and nothing is more important in her world than her
> relationship with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
> Charlie
misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
> dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
> back in the yard and would run for days. The last time,
> Peach didn't come back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
> my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
> reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer
> runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and
> she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need
to
> train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar
> to keep
my
> dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-(
> ~misty
"misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1199-3BD34D6A-229@storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have
> a very loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting
> to my 8 month old son.
> Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a
> hold
on
> for dear life object.
> Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my oder two
> boys
went
> through this stage in a different house where Buddy had his
> own
room
> and the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
> Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has
> been
driving
> him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming.
> A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the
> widows shut
<g>
> being in the house it makes your ears pop and your nerves
> crawl.
> Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to
> use
it.
> He answered my questions quite politely.
> I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is
> located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
> At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then
> I
realized
> afer a week that he no longer screamed for hours on end.
> This
isn't
> to say he stopped completely <bg> he still demands his
> share of
all
> meals. But he doesn't start sreaming at 10 pm when he wants
_everyone
> _ to go to bed.
> Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves
> were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per
> Jerry's
instructions.
> I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on and
> left
it on
> the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back down and quit
> screaming.
> In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts
> come
to my
> house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie. He's a
> yellow
tiger
> named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who is very friendly with
> my
kids
> and Zelda.
> I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like
> the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like
> things that
are
> free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail him and get
> advice
whenever
> I need it.
> Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the
> DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in
> electronics,
knows
> alot about radios and anything mechanical... he's a jack of
> all
trades
> around the house <g>). He does NDT for a living.
> We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey
> is
walking,
> Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal.. some
> kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.
> So, yes, there are some of us out here who do appreciate
> Jerry's methods if not his condemnation of other "regulars".
> Honey, flies that sort of thing....
> ~misty
<"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Rober Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin
for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile
crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really
care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to
the box first?)
Hello People,
Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.
Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe
I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for
about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe,
Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed
attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment
and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and
strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older
couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find
Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also
have him personally work with Chelsea.
His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog
that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her.
After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on
furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on
the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a
very long story and I won't bore you with all the details, but
suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog
and for us.
Marge Hoffman. (REWARD PAID BY DW.)
P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell you my
DDR!
And here's one from me:
!CAUTION! Dog abusing lying Thugs. Enter at your own peril!
You are responsible for your own loss of credibility and
damages to careers and reputations resultant from being
exposed and discredited. Proceed at your own risk. This is a
violence free zone. Violators will be subject to prolonged
emotional, social and professional punishment and will be
pursued to the gates of Heel and kept within under guard of a
Wits' End Trained Dog.
I Am - 19 Feb 2005 10:17 GMT
HERE'S The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:
From: p.k...@home.com (The Kayes)
Date: 23 Aug 2003 09:17:27 -0700
Subject: Re: update: SIMON
Jody - I can only imagine how frustrating this is for
you. But the way you have handled everything so far is
no different than how I would have handled it.
I strongly feel that the answer to Simon's health
issues are out there somewhere. Vets (and Doctors)
tend to get very frustrated when they don't have the
answers. But somewhere out there lies the answer. And
somewhere out there is the person who is going to give
it to you. It's like a frustrating puzzle; something
is wrong, the vets are supposed to have the missing
pieces, but they don't. So they send you away with
a condesending pat on your head and tell you to "come
back dear in a few months if things don't improve."
You sound like a very strong and determined person and
if anyone if going to come up with the answer,
it is going to be you.
You are the type of person who will do as much research
as possible to find the answer. The amount of energy and
time you will devote to finding the answer will naturally
vary from time to time.
At times you will be physically and emotionally
charged and ready to give it all you've got. At other
times, you will feel deflated, defeated and emotionally
spent. When we have the strength to do, we will.
When our strength is so depleated than we must
get our strength from leaning on those who surround
us. This is natural.
I too have been lurking and at times have seen you
supercharged and ready to take on the world. At other
times, I have seen you realize that you need someone
to lean on. And during these times this group
has been more than willing to let you rest against
them and draw the much needed energy from them in
order to help you keep moving forward.
I can offer no words of wisdom. I have not walked a
mile in your shoes yet I can feel everything you are
going through just by reading your words. Never give
up.
You have already found some solutions to make
him feel more comfortable. You have kept copious notes
on Simon and I hope that one day you will come across
the vet who has the answer to your question.
If there is anything I can do to help make your search
for the answer more successful, I offer you my assistance.
My research skills, my sheer determination, and my
ability to locate the right people and push the right
buttons, are my strengths.
If there is anything I can do, then please do not
hesitate to contact me. I live in Toronto. My email
address is p.k...@rogers.com
From: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net> -
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:58:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Was *Poorly* now BETTER
HOWEDY
"J*O*d*Y" <"jodeez(TRASH)stuff"@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message news:3F6F695D.3D7F71D4@sympatico.ca...
>
> Hi Paul.... I'm so glad to hear that things are back
> to normal.....
NORMAL?
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
NORMAL IS INSANE!!!
> Give Shadow a big "Labbie" hug from Simon!!!
INDEED.
> J*o*D*y
YOUR DOG'S GOT The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:
From: J*O*D*Y ("jodeez(TRASH)stuff"@sympatico.ca)
ubject: Re: Update - Simon again - Grrrrrr!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador
Date: 2003-06-22 08:52:12 PST
Hi all.... The 'resident' vet feels that he is healthy
enough to endure it at the same time. My concern
is that if he has an immune-mediated condition, he
will have impaired wound healing, just the same as
humans do.
She does not know what is wrong with him. This
contributes to the frustration every time we deal with
the vet teaching hospital.
Although it is one of the top 5 in the world, they are
advocates for continuity of care. Each time we go, a
new 'resident' vet takes his case. We start back
at day one.... they hear what they want...... they
form their own opinions.....
The first one said that Simon's clinical signs could
be due to a behavioral issue. (Yes, a mass in his
neck, damaged lungs, and a problem prehending
his food.... Does anyone know where one could buy a
new brain???)
The second one, well, um, uh... let's just say that
the J-cloth on my kitchen counter had more charisma
that she did :-)
Prior to my noticing Simon's muscle weakness in his
legs, I had mentioned that when he sits on my lap in the
lazyboy chair, when he goes to get down, his front legs
touch the floor, and he stays in a 'wheelbarrel' position
as
long as I leave him....
I usually end up coaxing him down, and lifting him
down. She said to attach no significance to this
because her NORMAL doberman does that.... I now
know for a fact that the reason Simon stayed like that
is because his back legs were too weak for him to get
himself up into position in preparation to take his back
end down with him.....
Normally, this wouldn't concern me, but this behavior
painted into the whole picture, helps to make it much
more clear.
She also prescribed 2 meds to take at the same time -
Fenbendazole, 'just in case he had a fungal infection,'
and Prednisone, 'which shouldn't be administered in the
case of a fungal infection.'
Figure that one out....
The third one tried to tell me that a heart rate of
240 was normal (and that panting 340 'pants' per
minute was normal) uh, for 8-10-12 hours???? (My
own vet though he would cardiac arrest at that time,
El Bimbette!!).... and even though the Neurologist
watched Simon's video of how he eats and how
excessive he pants, she still said that when she
watched the video, he looked like a normal dog.
(It really bothers me to no end, 'cuz here is
this young girl half my age, telling me so
'matter-of-factly' the way it is....)
I had to tell her that I was really doubting her
intelligence and her abilities to care for my dog.
She didn't think that I needed to puree his foods,
but based on the difficulty he has, I need to. Since
we started pureeing his food, he has eaten every
single meal, which we have increased by half more....
every single meal since June 10th.... This is the longest
stretch he has eaten.
He still has a little trouble, but 'licking' it up, seems
to work best for him, and his tongue doesn't appear
to 'tire' as quick.
I fed him there, and I mixed his food quite well, but
it was still a thick consistency. I told her that what
will
happen, is that he will eagerly 'lick' over and over
again, and he ends up only getting a small amount.
He will tire.... and he will walk away from it. He will be
frustrated, and he will come back. He will lick it a few
more times, and walk away.... I know my dog....
"Mother's know best..." AND he did exactly what I said
he'd do..... He hardly ate any of his meal there. She said
it was likely due to the environment, all the excitement,
etc.
(QUACK!!!)
Also, she insisted that I feed him immediately after
they exercised him to induce his weakness and
excessive panting.... I told her that under no
circumstances, would I ever feed my dog when he is
panting like this, as he is at a very high risk for
aspiration.... She disagreed. She also told me that
there is no pain with a neuter....
The only advantage I see to having his neutering done
at this time, is that he wouldn't have to endure an
anaesthetic at a later date.
IF he has Myasthenia Gravis, they must be so
careful with anaesthetic. I'm kind of caught between
a rock and a hard place....
I have expressed my concerns, but they fall on deaf
ears..... Any concrete info about risks, dangers,
implications, etc. related to having a sick dog
neutered?
Jody & Simon
J*O*D*Y wrote:
> We are no further ahead with Simon at this point. He
> doesn't seem to be in any pain... which I am truly
thankful
> for.... After his 72 hour 'crisis,' he is now on pureed
canned
> food and he has eaten everything since we started doing
> this on June 10.. hasn't missed a meal.
>
> (We leave a little bit of dry kibble out for him, but it
> usually lasts 3-4 days, as he will go get a few pieces
> here and there...) He still has a bit of a problem
eating
> the pureed food, but at least he's eating. 3.5 months
> of hardly eating much was not good.
> In case you missed the '72 hour crisis,' he had a
> drastic deterioration a couple of weeks ago. Excessive
> panting (340 'pants' per minute) 240 heart rate, and he
> has been bunny-hopping when he runs since then.....
> He walks 'stilted,' although they haven't even noticed
this
> at the hospital.
> His energy level is about the same, and his panting
> has decreased.... He is still exercise intolerant. He's
> had an ACTH stimulation test, which was normal....
> We're now awaiting results on his serum antibody
> test, and based on those results, we will know then
> if we proceed with the EMG and muscle biopsy (and
> neuter!!) all at the same time.
> He has good days, and he has days where he is
> lethargic all day, with today being one of them.
> Hopefully, we'll have it all figured out soon....
> it's been going on far too long....
> I'll post something when we find out.......
> Jody & Simon
Oh, bye the bye, here's HOWE COME your dog is ILL:
From: J*O*D*Y ("jodeez(TRASH)stuff"@sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Counter Jumping
Date: 2003-06-13 12:26:23 PST
The first time Simon did this (around 4 months old),
I 'baited him' the following evening, at the advice of
our obedience trainer.
I put out the same food he stole (salmon sandwich) and left
the room. I walked out and turned around as he was jumping
up. I flew into the kitchen like a wild crazy person - arms
flapping, loud hollering, just basically scaring the livin'
bajeezus out of him..... The even said you could try doing
the above and banging pots and pans.... I didn't want him to
have a cardiac arrest, so I chose to lower the volume :-)
It worked..... He's 10 months old now, and although he is
very ill, he's never ever done anything remotely similar....
Jody
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:08:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Update: SIMON
HOWEDY j*o*d*y
> Thanks for all of the replies.... and all of the nice
> compliments!!!
INDEEDY. It's NICE to be NICE. Ain't it.
> I truly feel that I am lucky to have Simon.....
INDEEDY. Too bad for Simon.
> I just can't imagine not having him around.
Well, just open the door and step back an
he'll be HISTORY.
> I will update here from time to time....
The Puppy Wizard knows what your future holds.
> and pop in to say 'hi' and check to see
> how everyone's doing :-)
INDEEDY. You got a SICK dog...
> J*oD*Y
Your dog is DYIN of STRESS from MISHANDLING.
He's got The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:
From: J*O*D*Y ("jodeez(TRASH)stuff"@sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Update - Simon again - Grrrrrr!!!!
> "This contributes to the frustration every time we
> deal with the vet teaching hospital. Although it
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> one.... they hear what they want...... they form their
> own opinions.....
IMAGINE THAT??? The doctors want to form their
own opinions abHOWET a perplexing case?
> The first one said that Simon's clinical signs could
> be due to a behavioral issue.
INDEED? You mean, like jerking and choking IT
on your pronged spiked pinch choke collar and
shock containment system and ignoring and
rejecting him and locking IT in a box?
> (Yes, a mass in his neck, damaged lungs, and a
> problem prehending his food....
INDEED??? STRANGE GOIN'S ON, eh?
> Does anyone know where one could buy a new brain???)
You'll have to ask The _ Wizard.
HOWEDY Allan,
> Approximately 3 months ago, I had posted messages here
> regarding my chocolate lab Jasper,
You won't be gettin no advice from HOWER dog lovers
here abHOWETS. They've got the same same same
same problems you do, to varying degrees.
<snip story>
It's all the same same same same, Allan.
> Jasper is under a heavy load of Glucosamine/Chondroitin,
That's shown some good results, as have the other essential
oils, amino acids, vitamins especially C A&D, antioxidents,
etc. in the correct BALANCE.
These SYNDROMES are CAUSED BY STRESS on the
nervHOWES / endocrine systems from MISHANDLING.
UofOH and other researcher's have recently identified
the link between EMOTIONAL STRESS HORMONES
and a list of DIS-EASES which they can pricipitate,
among them, osteoporosis, glaucoma, and your
dog's condition.
> he is crated to reduce his exercise,
Which may be responsible for STRESSING HIM.
> and his food is reduced to keep him fit.
Commercial dog foods may contribute to these problems
as does traditional handling and training and crating.
> Jasper is now 13 months old and in the past 3 months I
> would say that Jasper has maintained a good condition;
> he didn't get better or worse.
Right. That'll happen later in the form of other sympoms.
> He is bunny-hopping when he runs, has a bit of difficulty
> in rising after a long time laying down, and stiffness
> occurs in the morning, etc.
Yeah... the same same same same as so many other dogs
here abHOWETS.
> I never gave up and we did visit a few more vets in the
> past 3 months.
INDEEDY. HOWER dog lovers have spent FORTUNES
vetting their dogs for STRESS RELATED DIS-EASES
which will NEVER BE CURED using drugs and diet if
THE CAUSE of the STRESS is not EXXXTINGUISHED.
professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!"
into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten
minutes reflection" dermer of the department of ANAL-ytic
behaviorISM at UofWI recently fHOWEND a CURE for his dog Maxie The
Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
Masturbator's recurrent urinary / bladder / ibd SYNDROME.
He rubs his tallywhacker for five minutes every nite at
bedtime with a warm tHOWEL and aloe gel. Try it
for your own dog if he enjoys it, and you'll likeWIZE
see the CALMING benefit of TLC, extinguish your
dog's symptoms.
Of curse, this will not work if you've got to restrain
the dog to treat his "condition" or continue punishing
/ scolding / intimidating / choking / bribing / withholding
bribes / crating your dog.
> Today, we visited another vet, an old man that has
> been in the business for more than 35 years. The
> old man reviewed several X-ray records which Jasper
> had taken in the past few months with a few different vets.
> He observed Jasper's actions such as rising, walking and
> running. Then he told me that Jasper is mis-diagnosis.
INDEEDY. Other MISDIAGNOSISES are commonly
addisons and cushings and other myopathies/myalgias
lupus and most "autoimmune" DIS-EASES.
> There is no Hip Dysphasia, no ACL. Instead, he said
> Jasper's condition is referred as "HMLR" - Hereditary
> Myopathy of Labrador Retrievers.
Although there's a genetic link, the condition probably
won't manifest unless the dog is STRESSED, like by
having a choke chain or pronged spiked pinch choke
collar an crate confinement till he's QUIET and HOWEsbroke.
> He told me not to waste my money in considering of
> surgery or any medication as this is another kind of
> genetic disorder of the breed.
INDEEDY. Seems to best respond to VALLIUM.
A TRANQUILIZER. Like professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S
tallywhacker treatment... in a sense.
Welcome to The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, allan.
> He said that it is quite possible Jasper's condition would
> be stabilize right now or even improve a bit when he gets
> older, around 18 months old.
Right. Then he'll manifest other symptoms as he reaches
3 and 6 years of age... Your dog's got a case of The
Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> I then used Google to find out more about this and
> discovered several websites talking about "HMLR".
> I was just wondering if the folks here can provide
> some more information and think it would be good
> or bad to keep giving Jasper the Glucosamine/Chondroitin
Absolutely. As stated above.
> if he has no HD or ACL? Is there
> any side effect in the long run?
Probably not.
> Thanks for any ideas.
Your dog is suffering from STRESS. Just telling him
"NO!" a couple times a day is enough to cause him
to break dHOWEN.
The Puppy Wizard TOLD YOU SO, long ago and
right here abHOWETS, allan. The vets quoted
below mistakenly call your dog's condition Canine
Stress Syndrome... but WE KNOW what it IS, allan.
Don't we.
http://www.labbies.com/css.htm
Currently, other than rest, there is no generally accepted
medication which has been found to be effective for the
treatment of HMLR. Some individuals have, however,
responded to treatment with Diazepam or steroids.
How CSS Causes Seizures. Metabolic encephalopathy
(ME) is a disturbance of brain function resulting in
neurologic deficits and is caused by disorders of metabolism.
Accordingly, ME commonly occurs secondary to CSS because Ca
release channel defects have detrimental effects on the brain
and central nervous system.
The brain has limited stores of high-energy phosphates (ATP)
and glucose reserves that it requires to maintain neuronal
functionand cellular integrity. Therefore, the brain is dependent
upon glucose and oxygen supplied by blood flow for its energy
requirements.
Inability to maintain its own energy reserves makes the brain
extremely sensitive to metabolic disturbances that deplete
energy substrates from the blood.
Loss of calcium homeostasis plays a major role in the
development of neurologic dysfunction. Excessive release of
Ca as occurs in some dogs with CSS has effects including
but not limited to neurotransmitter release and acute energy
depletion.
In other dogs with CSS, persistent leakage of Ca creates a
continuous demand for energy. In either of these forms of CSS,
the increased demand for energy quickly or persistently
depletes the blood of energy substrates required by the brain.
One of the major energy requiring functions of the brain is to
maintain the resting membrane potential by the
sodium/potassium ion pump.
When the brain cannot get the energy it requires, the pump
fails and the membrane potential decays toward threshold
producing the neuron discharge responsible for seizures.
This explains why even mild stimuli such as eating
and fasting can result in seizures in the CSS-susceptible
dog. Fasting inhibits replacement of blood glucose depleted
by elevated energy demands in dogs with leaky Ca release.
Even mildly afflicted dogs that demonstrate low level Ca
leakage will have higher energy requirements.
Because eating induces insulin production that will require
glucose to balance the insulin levels, additional requirement
of glucose during eating will also further compromise a CSS-
susceptible dog whose glucose levels are already depleted
due to Ca leakage.
This condition of depleted blood glucose levels, which occurs
in conjunction with CSS, is known as hypoglycemia and may
be one of the principle causes for seizures in CSS dogs.
http://www.working-retriever.com/library/myo.html
Preliminary biochemical data indicate significantly elevated
concentrations of sodium, calcium, zinc, copper, chloride,
fat, and intracellular water and reduced levels of potassium
and magnesium in muscles from affected adult Labrador
retrievers.
In addition, a significant decrease in muscle specific
proteins has been identified in the biceps femois muscle of
affected dogs.
Despite the presence of some apparently "neurogenic" features,
examination of the various parts of the lower motor neuron has
so far failed to identify morphological abnormalities.
The underlying pathophysiologial mechanisms involved
in this disease are, therefore, still unclear.
BUT NHOWE YOU KNOW HOWE COME... it's
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, dog lovers.
Prognosis:
In most cases, the clinical signs stabilize between 6 months
and one year of age, and affected dogs may become acceptable
house pets, although they are not suitable for work.
Owners of affected dogs should be warned that stress,
including exposure to low temperatures, can result in a
dramatic worsening of clinical signs, even in clinically
stable adults. The life span of affected dogs does not appear
to be directly affected by the condition, although the
prognosis for dogs with megaesophagus should be more guarded,
due to the risk of developing inhalation pneumonia.
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