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HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,

Barking is a SYMPTOM of ANXXXIHOWESNESS. We can
CURE ANXXXIHOWESNESS by PRAISING and REASURING,
not BRIBING and WIHTHHOLDING BRIBES ATTENTION
and AFFECTION <{); ~ )>

You're a FRAUD, professor:

From: Marshall Dermer <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Date: 1999/01/02
Subject: Re: Stopping neighbor's dog from barking

i...@erols.com wrote:

backyard and the

 Ask your neighbor if you could offer the dog treats so as to
 reduce the dog's barking. (I will assume here that the dog
 is not barking to return to your neighbor's house.)

 When the dog, in the backyard, doesn't bark for say 5 sec,
 throw it a treat. (You might have to start at a lower time
 interval if the dog is barking more frequently.) Once the
 dog refrains from barking for 5 sec, then raise the
 criterion to 6 sec, and gradually proceed over a period of
 days to increase the amount of time the dog must not bark
 before you offer a treat. This procedure is called
 Differential Reinforcement for Zero responding or Omission
 Training and it is abbreviated by the symbol DRO X sec.

 When you find that the dog will only remain quiet, when you
 are in the back yard, send me another message and I can
 outline Phase II.

 --Marshall

   Better Living Through Positive Reinforcement!

Withholding bribes attention scruff shakin and
crating are PUNISHMENTS, not POSITIVE REINFORCEIMENT
unless you're talkin SCIENTIFICALLY, positively reinforcin
PUNISHMENT:

"I Am Willing To Take Jerry's Theory On
How Dogs Think As A Likely One, Simply
Because The Dog Training Methodology
He Describes (Based On His Suppositions)
Works So Well," Lisa B.

Jerry's Dog Training Manual

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST

In article <HRI27.3908$187.184000@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<dont@try.it> writes:

Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????

 As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.

Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.

Thanks in advance!

--Marshall Dermer

PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.

I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.

You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!

--Marshall

Hi Marshall,

I'll do my best to answer you... please bear with me, ok?  :-)

Marshall Dermer wrote:

Of course, it isn't necessary at all to know how dogs think,
or even if they *do* think.  I believe that they do, but of
course I can't prove it, and neither can Jerry.

The heart of the matter is, the discussion in the manual
regarding "how dogs think" is part of a wholistic approach
to dog training.

It helps to comprehend the reasoning behind the
methodology.  The methodology works quickly
and easily, therefore lending credence (as far as
I'm concerned) to his theory of how dogs think.

It's the same sort of thing regarding theories of whether
the earth revolves around the sun, or contrariwise.  Is it
possible to send a rocket to the moon, based on the assumption
that the sun revolves around the earth?

The answer is, of course, yes, though it would most likely
be enormously complicated.  The better solution is to begin
with the theory that the earth revolves around the sun.

In other words, the simplest answer or description is the
best, even though it may not be empirically provable.

And so, I am willing to take Jerry's theory on how dogs
think as a likely one, simply because the dog training
methodology he describes (based on his suppositions)
works so well.

I hope this helps you to understand from which perspective
I say the things that I do about Jerry's method and manual.

regards,
Lisa

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

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"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.

"Dan Moore" <mooreteam@worldnet.att.net

wrote in message
news: fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
..

Tracy,

What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!

This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.

The next time it thundered, he did not even react at
all--you could not tell it was the same dog as before.

There was more thunder just the other day, and same
thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering,
trying to hide at all, it was that simple.

I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.

Wonderfully.

Praise.

It's that simple.

Juanita

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines@comcast.net wrote in message
news: w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...

Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
it went something like this with our 11 month old
puppy "Yoshi"

Yoshi: Bark, bark,

us: HUSH Youshi

Yoshi Bark, bark......................

us: Hush Youshi

Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ................................. i
it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking

We decided to try the Jerry method

Yoshi: BARK, BARK

US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?

Yoshi Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them

Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that

I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this

Thanks Jerry

ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much.
--
Best Regards,

Estel J. Hines

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HOWEDY Brandy,

"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKurtzs@wmconnect.com wrote in message
news: 2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@posting.google.com...
KraftyKurtzs@wmconnect.com (Brandy Kurtz) wrote in message
news:<2f66e35d.0407262049.7b3a7b51@posting.google.com...

Hello everyone! We have a 2 1/2 year old male

Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard info,
so I haven't actually started to train yet.

Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey
was going balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see
who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical
look, and came and sat beside my feet! OMG, I could
not believe it!

I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)

Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.

Brandy

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsenddog@aol.com

Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.

My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.

When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.

I will write to Amanda about the video.

I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.

Thanks again
Paul

From: Chris Williams (k9apple@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already
know that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

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Dave Cohen <cohen1@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry
and have spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for
one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.

Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.

Thank you Jerry!

=====================

"Greg M. Silverman"
<gmsNOSPAM@no.umn.edu<mailto: gmsNOSPAM@no.umn.edu
wrote in message

Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever
your alias of the day is,

I have to say that our dog heels much better than
she did. This is after reading and implementing the
bit in your "Wits End" treatise. And she's a royal
nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).

Cheers! Greg

----- Original Message -----

From: <n To: "Jerry Howe"
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much

Hi Jerry,

When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had him
for 3 years.

It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book training
with him.

Where I used to say "come" and then say "good boy"
when he obeyed, I have reversed it with a "good boy" first.
It really does work. He was very confused at first,
wondering what he had done to get the praise.
But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.

Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.

Thanks, N

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"Ned" <komodo71@rogers.com wrote in message
news: fQIg9.25850$561.25365@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

Hi !
Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she will be 4 months
on the 30th).

When we first brought her home she had a bad habit
of trying to nip our faces (including my 3 year old twins)
during playtime. It drove everyone in the house nuts
and it brought my little girls to tears as you can imagine.

We tried saying no, and that would just get her even
more excited, so we would yell no and that would just
get her "scared" but still excited. In short it just wasn't
working.

So we finally did what Jerry has suggested to you.
We used a sound do distract her and we would
immediately praise her.

I have to say that it worked great. BUT she then
moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly little thing.

So again, we tried no, and then louder no, but again
it didn't work so we went for the distraction and praise.
I must say that she is doing great!

I hope that helps.
Edyta aka Ned

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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM

Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!

We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.

We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home! ;)

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...

Thank You!

Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!

__________________________________

----- Original Message -----

Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE, professor.

LIKE THIS:

From: "Jeff & Di"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: help, with the At Wits End training manual

HOWEDY Diana,

Of curse!

That'll increase anxiHOWESNESS.

I wouldn't recommend offering a physical
distraction for two reasons. 1) she's likely
to become dependent on putting something
in her MHOWETH when she's stressed and
2) it may disavail you of successive training
opportunities necessary to extinguish the behavior.

See, we really do want her to notice, so
we can briefly and variably distract and
praise to extinguish the behavior.

Well, it worked well for you this time. Don't
use the ball again the next time, just follow
the praise techniques.

INDEEDY. That's the bottom line for successful
nearly instant training. That's why bribing and
withholding bribes fails, cause anxiety increases
as we withhold the reward to elicit the behavior.

Right. Physical contact distracts the dog from
thinking and processing the information.

Yeah. It only takes a few minutes to appupriately
extinguish any behavior, but you've got to know HOWE.

"Reinforcement NEVER ends."

That's HOWE COME when we train dogs using
non physical methods the behavior is not dependent
on HOWER ability to reinforce manage supervise
bribe and avoid... IOW, we've HOWEtwitted the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog by tempting
the dog to do the undesirable behavior and distracting
and praising before the thought is fulfilled till
it's no longer thought of as a useful behavior.

Just wait till you apply my methods to your kids.
My methods have rehabilitated severe hyperactive
kids as fast and permanent as the dogs I've heelped.

Not a chance in heel.  If Mrs. Puppy Wizard
discovered it I'd be wearin an apron and workin
insetead of settin right here, stark ravin nekkid,
wearin nuthin but these gawd awful paper slippers.

My pleasure. Consider it my vindictive nature...

Makes The Amazing Puppy Wizard grind HIS teeth...

I probably should do sumpthin. The dog lovers
on the news groups ain't interested in training
their dogs, they seem to enjoy discussing behavior
problems and the training tools they used to cause
them.

Yeah, but a lot of folks don't like to read my posts
cause HOWER dog lovers like to tell foks they're
forgeries.

Thank you, but I really wish you'll repost them
cause it'll be more believable coming from you.

These folks think it should take weeks and
months to rehabiliatate behavior problems.
They think they're successful if they've
rehabilitated an aggresson problem after a
year or longer working at it.

That ain't gonna happen cause decent folks
don't post there. Every WON is interested
in saving dogs lives by hurting them as a last
resort when forcing avoiding and bribing didn't work.

LikeWIZE.

Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: "LEE " <>
To: <ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Wits end training in England

HOWEDY Lee,

EXCELLENT!

Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.

Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY.  It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unforgiving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.

SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.

HOWETSTANDING!

From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-15 12:28:54 PST

Alan,

The puppy wizard calls it as he sees it.

He isn't PC and that pisses people off.

The fact is that I have used his FREE
methods and they DO in fact work.

What a crock of sh.t relating his methods
to a science experiment.

Yes, the man is a cross posting menace
and has proly smoked too many batts in
his day but he has the canine species best
interest at heart and doesn't profit from his
point of view.

He is a selfless advocate for dogs and
that's enough for me to respect the man
no matter how controversial he gets.

Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.

Mike

From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works  like a charm. My dogs get distracted easy
from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost
people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and
Rescue Team Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left
over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog. Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what?
I was at my "Whits End" then someone I
knew turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks.

The first night home following Jerrys advice
we ditched the crate and put the pup on the
floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers
NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR
6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

  >> > "James Roberts" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
  >> > news:3C637444.20DD6735@privacy.net...
  >> > > I have downloaded and have read Jerry's Wit's End
  >> > > document.
  >
  >> > > Ignoring what you think of his participation, what
  >> > > is your assessment of the merits of his techniques?

  >> Paul B <panders@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c638e36@clear.net.nz...

  >> > Hello James,
  >> > I have used his recommended techniques and
  >> > ideas with great success, and over the period
  >> > I've used these methods the more I've become
  >> > to understand and appreciate how his methods
  >> > work and how effective they can be if carried out
  >> > correctly.
  >
  >> > His manual isn't conventional and as such gets
  >> > critisized and misunderstood. The basic concept
  >> > is to allow the dog to choose whatever behaviour
  >> > it wants for any situation but to distract (and
  >> > immediately praise ) it from behaviours we deem
  >> > undesirable, because of the correctly timed
  >> > distractions repeated usually about 4 times (in
  >> > each location) the dog decides of it own accord
  >> > that this behaviour is undesriable and therefore
  >> > pursues something else, if that behaviour is also
  >> > inappropriate to us then we carry on distracting,
  >> > very soon the dog finds a behaviour that is mutually
  >> > acceptable. The benefits of this type of approach
  >> > are numerous, firstly we aren't challenging the dog
  >> > so there is no conflict so the dog does't develop any
  >> > possible negativity to us, the dog decides of it own
  >> > free will that a behaviour is unsatisfying so chooses
  >> > to cease it (in other words even if we are gone the
  >> > dog won't have any desire to pursue that behaviour
  >> > i.e. bin raiding etc).
  >
  >> > I would recommend his manual.
  >> > Paul

"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <brijen@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message
news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

Good.

I recall.

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help.

Jerry.

The Puppy Wizard sez:

                You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                           A DOG Is A Dog;
                        As A KAT Is A KAT;
                     As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                    As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
              As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

                    ALL Critters Only Respond In
         PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                  INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
 To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                    Which We Create For Them.

      Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
           We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                 And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

          In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                         FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                        SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

                           http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

       The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~  }   >

P.S.  Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

               YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                                BUSINESS.

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                      and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                      What one fears, one destroys."
                             Chief Dan George

             "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
                             and minds will follow,"
                                   John Wayne.

              The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~  }   >

                "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
                 few regulars here who are either ill-
                 tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
                 --Marshall

       > From: "Marshall Dermer" <dermer@csd.uwm.edu>
       > To: "The Puppy Wizard"
       > <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, July
       > 23, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
       >
       >
       > Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
       >
       > I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
       > and now must applaud your attempts to save
       > animals from painful training procedures.
       >
       > You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
       > who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
       > alert the world to animal abuse.
       >
       > We are lucky to have you, and more people should
       > come to their senses and support your valuable
       > work.
       >
       > Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
       > charity to fund your important work?
       >
       > Have you thought about holding a press conference
       > so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
       > and significant work?
       >
       > In closing, my only suggestion is that you
       > try to keep your messages short for most
       > readers may refuse to read a long message
       > even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
       >
       > I wish you well in your endeavors.
       >
       > --Marshall Dermer
       > --Marshall Dermer
       > Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/
       > Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department
       > of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
       > Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201

       > dermer@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
         --------------------------------------

            All truth passes through three stages.
                         First, it is ridiculed.
                Second, it is violently opposed.
          Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                      -Arthur Schopenhauer

            "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
                 even tho it's a hopeless task,
                      in this system of things.
                 As long as man is ruling man,
            there will be animals (and humans!)
                     abused and neglected. :-(
                       Your student," Juanita.

         "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
                        and minds will follow,"
                              John Wayne.

              The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

                               GOT MILK?