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Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / February 2005marshall dermer? BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
HOWEDY professor lyin doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer, associate professor ofANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI, >From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) >Date: 24 Feb 2005 05:09:27 GMT >Subject: Re: what's with that puppy wizard? Seems The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the favorite subject on the dog news groups on accHOWENT of The Amazing Puppy Wizard has discovered the casues and FHOWEND the CURES for ALL dog and child temperament and behavior problems and has PROVEN HIS METHODS independently of ANY human interaction through the same conditioning techniques as taught to HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over The Whole Wild World in HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual as designed into HIS Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo And A Cow And A Horse Or Two Did Too) Machine <{) ; ~ ) > THAT'S SCIENCE, professor. >In article <384psjF5l4fn...@individual.net> "Nathan Otis" <n...@smeat.spam.net> writes: >>It's a shame he puts on this show in the news group INDEEDY. You might call it The Amazing Puppy Wizard and Pony SHOWE <{) ; ~ ) > >> because what he actually has to say is good stuff. INDEEDY. But HOWER DOG LOVERS DON'T LIKE IT on accHOWENT of they can't HURT BRIBE CRATE CHOKE INTIMIDATE SHOCK and MURDER their own DOGS noMOORE as they PREFER <{) ; ~ ) > >> I've read his "Wits End" manual and it's very >> intelligent and well thought out... Not to mention >> it works! Like FREAKIN MAGICK, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) > >This is somewhat dated: You're FINISHED in this BUSINESS, professor. By DENYING the POSTED CASE HISTORY DATA cititing 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT REHABILITATION of ALL dogs and ALL behaviors for ALL handlers ALL OVER The Whole Wild World YOU'VE READ, using EITHER The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual OR HIS DDR MACHINE, who've posted here, you're in violation of the codes of ETHICS of ALL the professional associations you belong to. >http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html The contributors to that page, like yourself, have been PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES, professor SCRUFF SHAKE. The Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES your own POSTED CASE HISTORIES of the mentally ill lying dog abusing punk thug cowards like yourself who'll do and say ANY THING to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIATE and MURDER dogs, professor SCRUFF SHAKE. Your own little hyperactive Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME. Your own CASE HISTORY DATA The Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES and CITES PROVES you likeWIZE have FHOWEND a SIMILAR CURE for your own dog's AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE SYMPTOMS, e.g. you wash his tallywhacker with a warm moist THOWEL pryor to bedtime for it's ANTIBIOTIC theraputic effect on Maxie's CHRONIC BLADDER INFECTIONS. >--Marshall IMAGINE if you SUGGESTED THAT to the AVMA as the CURE for 90% of their deathly ill patients, like your own dog Maxie, professor? OR you could just recommend they give their customer their own FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and they won't be gettin the CHRONIC DIS-EASES you and your punk thug pal's dogs got, professor SCRUFF SHAKE. We'll REVIEW your pal terri willis aka PSYHOCLHOWEN'S site: >Concerns About Claims for the >Wit's End Dog Training Method >and Doggy Do Right >Last Updated: 10/22/01 > > We, readers and contributors to rec.pets.dogs.behavior, > have frequently read claims about the Wit's End Dog > Training Method (WEDTM) and the Doggy Do Right ( > DDR). Yeah. Seems EVERY WON SEZ THEY WORK LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK, professor. DON'T THEY <{) ; ~ ) > You keep tellin them it DOESN'T. Like you done here again. Didn't you, professor. The poster YOU REPLIED TO SEZ IT WORKS for him JUST LIKE HOWE IT WORKS FOR EVERY WON on accHOWENT of it's SCIENCE at it's BEST, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) > ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS FORGET EVERY THING YOU TEACH US abHOWET BEHAVIOR and you GET 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS, professor. > We here document our concerns about some of > the claims detailed at http: //www.doggydoright.com/ > (as of 12/26/1999) and in the numerous posts Mr. > Jerry Howe, the inventor/promoter, has made in the > rec.pets.dogs.behavior newsgroup. Nearly everyWON of your dogs are DEATHLY ILL from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) > >Claims Regarding the WEDTM > >Claim 1: "The Wits' End Dog Training Method is the fastest, >gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior >modification/obedience and protection training technique >available anywhere." (Source: WEDTM manual) PROVEN FACT, at least accordin to THE POSTER YOU REPLIED TO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) > > Discussion: The manual fails to survey other training > methods, fails to provide data about their effectiveness, and > fails to provide data about their efficacy (how quickly they > work and how much they cost). The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual is only 75 pages, professor. The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you must not do ANY of the so called traditional handling and training methods YOU TEACH on accHOWENT of THAT'S HOWE COME your own dog is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE at least according to YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) > > Although the manual here makes impressive > relative claims for the WEDTM, the manual > presentsno supporting data. You mean like C-HOWENTLESS CASE HISTORIES of 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World who REPORT their own 100% CONSISTENLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCES RIGHT HERE <{) ; ~ ) > YOUR PALS CALL THEM LIARS and FORGERIES, professor. >Claim 2: "Our enlightened methods challenge the learning >centers in your dog's brain. These centers develop and >continue to grow exponentially." (Source: WEDTM manual) Although professor SCRUFF SHAKE realizes "LICENSE" is being taken he STILL DISMISSES THE FACT that these SCIENTIFIC METHODS INCREASES BRAIN FUNCTIONS and TRAINS RATIONAL THINKING and PROBLEM SOLVING SKILLS <{) ; ~ ) > What's DIFFICULT for professor SCRUFF SHAKE to appreciate is HOWE simply NOT HURTING and INTIMDIATING dogs and children gets them to LEARN. > Discussion: The manual fails to identify these > "learning centers" You can do the work yourself, it's all in any good medical text. Look it up in the Oxford Companion To The BRAIN <{) ; ~ ) > > and fails to provide growth data. Who CARES? If we get 0.0001% IMPROVEMENT we GOT IMPROVEMENT, ain't we <{) ; ~ ) > > Moreover, the manual presents this Claim in the > present tense with respect to YOUR dog. Has the > author of the WEDTM seen YOUR dog, seen YOUR > dog's brain, or used the method with YOUR dog? A dog is a dog. A mammal brain is a mammal brain <{) ; ~ ) > >Claim 3: "Wits' End Dog Training is easy, quick, and >foolproof, and works with every time (sic), with every canine, >even wolves!" (Source: WEDTM manual) PROVEN FACT. >Discussion: This is the WEDTM's most dangerous set of >claims. Surely some minimal intelligence and skill is >required. No. All you gotta do is NOT HURT and INTIMIDATE your dog. If you follow the PRINCIPLES yet FAIL to DO THE WORK, the dog will STILL LEARN to BE PERFECT on accHOWENT of THAT IS the NATURE of the BEASTY when we DON'T HURT and INTIMIDATE and BRIBE CHOKE and CRATE THEM... > And it is incredible to assert that the method can >be used without modification across different breeds or >individuals. PROVEN FACT <{) ; ~ ) > And it WORKS LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK on CHILDREN and horses and dolphins to boot. It's ABSURD that professor SCRUFF SHAKE would submit this kinda IDIOCY to challenge the 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONING TECHNIQUES taught to ALL The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Studentsw all over the Whole Wild World and BROADCAST through HIS DDR MACHINE <{) ; ~ ) > to any critter within nearly 500 feet or maybe MOORE. >Claim 4: "You'd communicate more clearly with your dog by >simply distracting him with a very brief sound and telling him >he's a good boy." (Source: WEDTM manual) THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS LEARN NATURALLY. > Discussion: Apparently, the "heart" of the > WEDTM is sound distraction. No. You'd KNOW that PRAISE IN ADVANCE is the HEART and SHOWEL of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and DDR MACHINE, had you ever READ THE TEXT <{) ; ~ ) > > Although the manual describes the WEDTM as > "unique, systematic, and unconventional" Yeah... seems all the EXXXPERTS here sez it DOESN'T WORK. > and that "no dog istoo young, too old, too large, > too small, too stubborn, too stupid or too bad, to > train," we question the efficacy of sound distractions > with deaf dogs. Well then perhaps we should JUST MURDER THEM like HOWE mikey ball MURDERED that little innocent DEAD DEAF PUPPY Symphony <{) ; ~ ) > > In other words, we wonder how a "systematic" > approach could ignore such an obvious impediment > to its use. Had you READ the TEXT you'd KNOW that ANY BRIEF VARIABLY ALTERNATING NON PHYSICAL distraction INSTANTLY FOLLOWED by PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL PRAISE is the ONLY thing you need. >Claim 5: "Today, the state of the art of the dog training >industry remains about the same. Modern dog training has >undergone little change since its inception in this country as >a sport, at the end of World War I.I. (sic) The methodology >was and still is based on the military model utilized on the >Nazis command dogs." (Source: WEDTM manual) And PROVEN by the POSTED CASE HISTORIES of the DOG LOVERS who've conspired to REPRESS THE FACTS, like yourself, professor SCRUFF SHAKE. >Discussion: The author has failed to remember or read: >B.F. Skinner (1951). How to teach animals. _Scientific >American_, 185 (12): 26-29. INDEEDY. The AMAZING Puppy Wizard is a poor uneducated backyard shade tree sh.t kicking seat of HIS pants dog trainer who LEARNED NOT TO HURT dogs as a tiny child at the heel of HIS DADDY. >In this article, Professor Skinner, then of >Harvard University, describes clicker training. Clicker training has been DEBUNKED by The Amazing Puppy Wizard as a CAUSE of MISTRUST and ANXXXIHOWESNESS. You CANNOT EFFECTIVELY BRIBE TRAIN critters as DIS-CUSSED in Breland and Breland's "Misbehavior Of Organisms" <{) ; ~ ) > THAT'S HOWE COME the SAR dogs FAILED to find Elizabeth Smart and Chandra Levy and Laura Hacking's DEAD BODIES despite KNOWIN WHERE THEY WERE and bein within earshot of Elizabeth and her abuctors <{) ; ~ ) > > In this approach a stimulus, often a sound but > possibly a visual or tactile stimulus, follows > desirable behavior IOW they BRIBE the critter to throw unthinking mindless meaningless behaviors to release a treat from a human Skinner Box <{) ; ~ ) > > and occasionally precedes a reinforcer. "Occasionally"? You mean AFTER trainin you DIMINISH the "REWARDS" till you've chained tiny approximations of the desired behavior. THAT'S HOWE COME 10% of the EXXPERTLY PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED US Military Marine Mammals RUN HOWET on their TRAINERS as soon as they hit open water and FREE FOOD <{) ; ~ ) > > The only aversive aspect of this procedure is > that some animals must be somewhat food > deprived if food is used as a reinforcer. The idea that a dog should work for a BRIBE rather than as a MEMBER of a FAMILY PACK is absurd and DEFEATS the PUPORSE of TRAININ a dog to undertand HOWE to live in HOWER HOWESES <{) ; ~ ) > > Clicker training is quite popular as >suggested by these URLs: Clicker training CAUSES OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE BEHAVIORS like professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator who furiHOWESLY OBSESSIVELY COMPULSIVELY MASTURBATES on his C-HOWECH pillows when IT misses his daily five miles of bicycle chasing "MY DOG GOES BONKERS IF HE'S EXXXORCISE DEPRIVED" sez professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) > >http: //karenpryor.com/ karen pryor MURDERED HER OWN DEAD KAT on accHOWENT of she COULDN'T C/T IT not to piss and sh.t in her stovetop, a manifestion of STRESS, probably as a direct result of her clicker trainin, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) > <snip crap clicker links> >----------------- >Claims Regarding DDR > Claim 1: "Better than training, Doggy Do Right solves > behavior problems even the best trainers and behaviorists > find difficult, even impossible to correct." (Source: > www.doggdoright.com) That's CORRECT. DDR is HUGELY effective on feral kats and barnyard critters who have little or NO human interaction. DDR CURES kat terrortorial aggression and marking and feather pulling in birds and weaving and cribbing in horses and calms irritable children as well, on accHOWENT of THAT'S the NATURE of PURE POSITIVE PRAISE, given either verbally or electronically as taught by The Amazing Puppy Wizard and PROVEN by C-HOWENTLESS CASE HISTORIES which HOWER DOG LOVERS DENY. Like the ORIGINAL POSTER you've replied to, professor WHO SEZ The Amazing Puppy Wizard's METHODS WORK. >Discussion: The web page neither identifies the "best >trainers," nor presents comparative data. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's METHODS have DISCREDITED NEARLY EVERY TRAINER and UNIVERSITY BEHAVIORIST and HE CITES THEM in HIS POSTS right here in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums and School Of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES. You're SETTIN IN IT, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) > >Claim 2: "STOPS BARKING DOGS IN MINUTES" INDEED. Maybe from a half mile away. > "Quiets the entireneighborhood" (Source: > www.doggdoright.com) INDEEDY. > Discussion: Although this web page (as of 12/26/99) > claims the DDR terminated the excessive barking of > several dogs, the page fails to identify the dogs' owners. RIGHT. The Amazing Puppy Wizard relies on HIS 100% CONSISTENLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students and DDR owners to POST THEIR OWN CASE HISTORY DATA RIGHT HERE. You call them LIARS and FORGERIES. REMEMBER? >So, verification is impossible. Well that's just not true. MANY DDR users have REPORTED their 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARL INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE. YOU CALL THEM LIARS. > Similarly, although this web page claims that the > DDR "has been used and tested for years on hundreds > of problem dogs, as well as normal dogs in many homes, > kennels, and grooming shops," the page fails to identify > these users. THAT'S on accHOWENT of you maliciHOWES hackers would mail bomb and telephone and stock and harass them on accHOWENT of they DON'T HURT INTIDMIATE and MURDER dogs like HOWE you do, dog lovers. >Surely, if the DDR is effective then there must be some >endorsements from independent, identifiable users, Yeah. Like Lisa B and Anthony Testa and Elaine McClung and Margaret Hoffman who'd all POSTED THEIR OWN CASE HISTORY DATA RIGHT HERE. YOU CALLED THEM LIARS and FORGERIES and PAID SHILLS for The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) > REMEMBER, professor SCRUFF SHAKE? >particularly animal shelter operators, groomers, >veterinarians, or university researchers. We've had them RIGHT HERE. YOU IGNORE THEM. YOU REFUSE TO TALK BUSINESS WITH THEM. YOU CALL THEM LIARS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE. > Worth noting, is that from time-to-time readers of > rec.pets.dogs.behavior have asked the inventor to > make the DDR available for evaluation. BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! THAT'S THE BEST PART, DOG LOVERS! The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo And A Horse And A Cow Or Two Did Too) Machine WON'T WORK IF YOU ABUSE YOUR DOGS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE as PROVEN by the CASE HISTORY of katra, who REPORTED HER DDR WORKED for her KATS and her BIRDS but she STILL COULDN'T TRAIN HER DOG on accHOWENT of her DADDY was PUNISHING IT and NUTHIN will REHABILITATE a VICTIM OF AUBSE so long as their ABUSER STILL ABUSES THEM, professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer <{) ; ~ ) > BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! > The inventor, so far, has failed to do so You got YOUR FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual but IT WON'T WORK FOR YOU DOG ABUSERS... AS YOU'VE REPORTED RiGHT HERE, for the same same same same REASON as katra's DDR wouldn't TRAIN HER ABUSED DOG. > except to note that the DDR's cost ($99) is refundable. Save your hard earned dough an put it towards your new shock collar, dog lovers <{) ; ~ ) > >Claim 3: "A little black box solves all dogs behavior >problems!" (Source: www.doggdoright.com) That's correct. DDR verifies The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method and Vice versa, professor <{) ; ~ ) > >Discussion: Behavior problems have diverse origins. We've pretty much identified them as forced restraint bribery pain fear and intimidation <{) ; ~ ) > EVERY THING professor SCRUFF SHAKE TEACHES. > They may result, for example, from genetic variables, That would lend to the PROPENSITY for the PROBLEM. We STILL NEED the STIMULUS. Like SCRUFF SHAKIN HOWER DOGS and bribing and locking them in boxes, like HOWE you do, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) > > medical conditions, Like so called "SPAY INCONTINENCE", a FEAR RESPONSE due to surgical mutilation. > or poor training. Like professor SCRUFF SHAKE done to make his little DEATHLY ILL dog Maxie the NEUROTIC little hyperactive furiHOWESLY obessive compulsive MASTURBATOR he is. Well, it's EITHER THAT or allelomimetic behavior <{) ;~ ) > > The manual asserts that a "black box solves all > dogs behavior problems." NO. There is NO MENTION of DDR in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual but even if it did, it'd be CORRECT and PROVEN to be TRUE, SCIENTIFICALLY. > This is a gross and potentially dangerous claim. Right. On accHOWENT of IT WON'T WORK if you're HURTIN and INTIMDIATING your dogs. > An owner might mistakenly buy the DDR when > their dog should be examined by a veterinarian If The Amazing Puppy Wizard's METHODS or MACHINE FAIL to CURE ANY temperament or behavior problem NEARLY INSTANTLY that's on accHOWENT of IT AIN'T a temperament or behavior problem... <{) ; ~ ) > So the only thing left to do is see the vet or ELIMINATE THE ABUSER from the environment, as CITED in Dr. Von's "Is There A SCIENCE Of BEHAVIOR." > or placed in a training program. Like WON that your pal doctor mark plonsky SELLS, professor? The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED both you and your associate dog abuser plonsky of UofWI as dog abusing punk thug cowards and liars or mental cases. > Surely, a prudent manufacturer would avoid > such an unconditional claim. The Amazing Puppy Wizard is fixin to drop the hammer on the entire behavior an trainin industry, and professor SCRUFF SHAKE in particular, as The Amazing Puppy Wizard believes the animal behavior studies HE'S done and the POSTED CASE HISTORIES cited here abHOWETS PROVES professors scruff shake's and plonsky's METHODS are the SOURCE of all temperament and behavior problems in dogs and children and we can't have that crap taught in HOWER state run universities <{) ; ~ ) > > So, does the manufacturer, BIOSOUND, > carry liability insurance? Yeah, HE'S PROTECTED <{) ; ~ ) > > The manufacturer asserts, "We at BIOSOUND > Scientific would never risk your dogs (sic) well > being just to market a product." We wonder. INDEEDY. That's the PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE and SHOCK COLLAR CRHOWED talkin. >--------------------------------------------------------------- >----------------- For more information, please free to e-mail >any of the following persons: Avrama Gingold >avrama@mindspring.com "Chin chuck ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T MEAN slap the dog" You'll find her on the ProTrainer's HOTLIST but not here abHOWETS nodoGgamendMOORE. > Diane Blackman diane@dog-play.com NHOWE here's a interesting mental case. She's been discredited too many times to cite them, she's PLAGIARIZED The Amazing Puppy Wizard's heeling method and has a very long posted case history of hurting and murdering dogs. >Fred Hassen fhassen@webtv.net Ahhh, HOWER SHOCK COLLAR SALESMAN. >Mark Shaw mshaw@netcom.com Another shock collar fan. Proven liar, look up Elaine McClung's and Anthony Testa's posts to him <{) ; ~ ) > >Ludwig Smith topper@erols.com A koehler trainer, lugnut seldom posts here abHOWETS but when he does he always links to sindy SADIST MOOREon's viciHOWES web site at k9web.com: "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web. You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY??? >Marshall Dermer dermer@uwm.edu FORMER Master Of Deception till he got BAGGED FOR LYIN abHOWET The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) > >Theresa Willis tdwillis@earthlink.net A MENTAL CASE who only HURTS her dog 5% of the time. >Additional commentary can be found at: >http://www.wirebird.com/bordercollie/doright.html An EXXXCELLENT choice! That's another dog abusing mental case CITING a PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE falsifying fabricating and citing erroneHOWES information. >For the inventor/promoter's point of view visit: >http://www.doggydoright.com The Amazing Puppy Wizard's website is temporarily DHOWEN pending an international legal investigation into a variety of criminal activities perpertrated by HOWER DOG LOVERS... Here's your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G34D2527A Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE heelp. There's NO arbritrary INFORMATION in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so study it well and do and follow ALL the EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET 100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS for all handlers and all dogs in all fields or utilities and behaviors all over the Whole Wild World <{) ; ~ ) > Chronic DIS-EASE - PROVING The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME HOWEDY People, The Amazing Puppy Wizard got no comment on the medical treatment of your dog's chronic DIS-EASES EXXXCEPT to say DOGS DIE FROM THIS STUFF. You've read The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives so you probably know there's a very real likliHOOD that your dog's chronic ear infections are similiar in nature to those of professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little chronically ill dog Maxie who is DUE to come DHOWEN with yet another BHOWET of SYMPTOMS due to FHOWEL weather causing cabin fever which usually brings abHOWET a case of obedience training! Clicker training INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS. Corrections traininng INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS. Crate training INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS. AnXXXIHOWENESS causes STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME. The Amazing Puppy Wizard URGES you to READ HIS TEN STEP REHABILITATION program offered to professor SCRUFF SHAKE. Then ASK YOURSELF HOWE you handled and trained your dog for ordinary HOWEstraining and obedience. ASK YOURSELF HOWE many times a day do you ordinarily tell your dog "NO!" for ANY reason ASK YOURSELF HOWE you handle him on lead and consider any crating or bribing to elicit or force CON-TROLL of behaviors and you will likely see five or ten DAILY, almost insignificant, instances of random STRESS from corrections, leash walking, or anXXXIHOWESNESS from fence running and barking or digging to relieve anXXXIHOWESNESS. That's HOWE COME dog's IMMUNE SYSTEMS compromise offering VERY SIMILAR although WILDLY, WIDELY RANGING, CHRONIC, STRESS INDUCED SYMPTOMS, every thing from LAMENESS and CRUCIATE LIGAMENT, and ENDOCRINE DIS-EASE to SEIZURES, OCD's to CATARACTS and even DENTAL DIS-EASE and "ALLERGIES.". MOST of HOWER dog lover's dog's got a case of chronic sumpthin or other for THE SAME SAME SAME SAME REASONS. These HUGE PERCENTAGES of CHRONICALLY ILL and FEAR AGGRESSIVE or SUBMISSIVE dogs are NOT NORMAL illnesses and behaivors.. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has over forty years field observation of problem dogs that SEZ the HUGE PERCENTAGES of DEATHLY ILL DOGS amongst the regular posters who've been here FOR YEARS are NOT COIN-CIDENTAL. Your reply may PROVE IT at least to you and The Amazing Puppy Wizard. THAT'S HOWE COME the DOG LOVERS you're askin are gonna KILLFILE YOU if you REPLY. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZDECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, as YOU'VE SEEN in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives. Yours, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) > Marshall Dermer Jan 12 2002, 7:48 am From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) Date: 12 Jan 2002 15:48:53 GMT Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry In article <a1pi30$bo...@paris.btinternet.com> "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> writes: >I have with your manuals help finally learned how to get my dog to behave >inside and outside . I have forwarded your advice to all my doggy friends >and they all love what you have to say ..Carry on regardless of the hassle >they give you in here ,,, >Bogmyrtle Dear Bogmyrtle, Much of the advice in Jerry's manual is OK. The manual's major failing is its verbosity. I estimate that the manual can be reduced by 50% and remain as informative. Some time ago, I posted some revisions. I recently reviewed the manual and much of the orginal, wordy text remains. --Marshall *************************** WEDTM: Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do need a dog you can live with, starting today, not after lengthy training, not after your dog matures, not when it's too late! This requires a basic understanding of how your dog thinks and learns. That, and the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, coupled with teaching the "recall" or "come" command, are all that one needs to effectively control the companion dog. Suggested Revision: Your dog may not need formal obedience training, but it should at least be trained as a companion. Such training requires your understanding canine thinking and learning; using the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, and teaching the "recall" and "come." ************************************************************************* WEDTM: The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor accidents. They are instinctive challenges to your leadership and authority. Wits' End Dog Training anticipates these impending mistakes inherent to each phase of training, and relies on them to turn the tables psychologically on your pet to convince him you are his appropriate leader, and make him want to do anything you ask. Revision: Your dog's misbehavior instinctively challenges your authority. Wit's End Dog Training transforms your dog from a challenger to a follower. ********************************************************************** WEDTM: This manual will provide all the tools you will need to learn properly to handle and train your dog. We will address the most difficult behaviors with effective tools, real answers, and common sense advice. Successful completion of our program means you will never need another dog-training lesson again! Revision: This manual provides all the information you will ever need to train your dog. *********************************************************************** WEDTM: The first thing you may notice is the lack of confusing psychobabble. Sure, it's almost impossible to avoid any use of psychobabble, but there's no need to complicate learning new information with unnecessary technical jargon. Revision: This manual avoids jargon. *********************************************************************** WEDTM: Wits' End Dog Training is accustomed to criticism from a variety of pet professionals. Holding different values is not a crime, although sometimes it might be considered a sin. Consider how you would feel if you'd spent years studying at our best universities, only to be shown by a simple, uneducated dog trainer, that your education is obsolete, that you've missed the point? You'd respond, "What degrees do you hold?" Revision: Wits' End Dog Training has been criticized by university-trained critics who basically are jealous on having been outwitted by a simple dog trainer who only graduated high school. ************************************************************************* WEDTM: Thirty-four years ago, this trainer chose no longer to train dogs according to the techniques available. It simply wasn't worth doing. One experience of souring the spirit of a beautiful, troubled dog, while following the best advice available from the most accredited sources anywhere, was enough for him. Revision: Some thirty years ago, this trainer discontinued techniques, deemed 'best practices,' that dampened the spirit of a beautiful but troubled dog. **************************************************************************** WEDTM: We will never recommend seeking outside assistance or books, abuse or use of unnatural, artificial, or abusive training aids like electric shock collars, choke collars, spiked collars, scolding, staring, glaring, shaking, reprimanding, finger pointing, gourmet food recipes used for bribery, threats, intimidation, physical force, sharp commands, punishing sounds, punishment of any kind, or deviation from the Wits' End Dog Training Method. It only takes one lapse of judgment to subvert the deep trust established through our work. Revision: You must carefully follow the Wits' End Dog Training Method to maintain your dog's trust. ************************************************************** WEDTM: The secret is to allow the undesired behavior to begin again, and simply present the sound from another direction,and follow through with praise. Of course you have to understand how your dog thinks and learns in order to achieve this successfully. Each time you create a sound to stop or break a behavior, you must praise him INSTANTLY and continue for as long as he refrains from continuing such behavior (at least until he no longer thinks about that instance, usually ten or fifteen seconds), and be prepared to create your sound distraction and praise as soon as the behavior begins again. Revision: The secret is to allow the misbehavior to reappear, present distracting sound from another direction, and then immediately praise for at least 10 sec provided he is not misbehaving. Repeat as necessary. _____________________________________________________________ I have read rpdb for about six years. Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis. Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201 der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, and is thus a source of civilized delight." -- William Safire Lushious Lugs Jan 12 2002, 8:03 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Lushious Lugs" <p...@thedog.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:02:04 -0000 Local: Sat, Jan 12 2002 8:02 am Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a1plt5$jfc$1@uwm.edu... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article <a1pi30$bo...@paris.btinternet.com> "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> writes: > >I have with your manuals help finally learned how to get my dog to behave > >inside and outside . I have forwarded your advice to all my doggy friends > >and they all love what you have to say ..Carry on regardless of the hassle > >they give you in here ,,, > >Bogmyrtle > Dear Bogmyrtle, > Much of the advice in Jerry's manual is OK. The manual's > major failing is its verbosity. I estimate that the manual > can be reduced by 50% and remain as informative. > Some time ago, I posted some revisions. I recently > reviewed the manual and much of the orginal, wordy text > remains. If you can remember back af ew months Bog myrtle has fairly well proven herself to be a troll thriving on the 'game' of upsetting US folk... generally I would recommend ignoring this poster. Diana - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > --Marshall > *************************************************** > WEDTM: > Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do > need a dog you can live with, starting today, not after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > or "come" command, are all that one needs to effectively > control the companion dog. > Suggested Revision: > Your dog may not need formal obedience training, but it > should at least be trained as a companion. Such training > requires your understanding canine thinking and learning; > using the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, and teaching > the "recall" and "come." ************************************************************************* > WEDTM: > The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor > accidents. They are instinctive challenges to your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > appropriate leader, and make him want to do anything you > ask. > Revision: > Your dog's misbehavior instinctively challenges your > authority. Wit's End Dog Training transforms your dog from > a challenger to a follower. ********************************************************************** > WEDTM: > This manual will provide all the tools you will need to > learn properly to handle and train your dog. We will > address the most difficult behaviors with effective tools, > real answers, and common sense advice. Successful > completion of our program means you will never need > another dog-training lesson again! > Revision: > This manual provides all the information you will ever > need to train your dog. *********************************************************************** > WEDTM: > The first thing you may notice is the lack of confusing > psychobabble. Sure, it's almost impossible to avoid any > use of psychobabble, but there's no need to complicate > learning new information with unnecessary technical > jargon. > Revision: > This manual avoids jargon. *********************************************************************** > WEDTM: > Wits' End Dog Training is accustomed to criticism from a > variety of pet professionals. Holding different values is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > obsolete, that you've missed the point? You'd respond, > "What degrees do you hold?" > Revision: > Wits' End Dog Training has been criticized by > university-trained critics who basically are jealous on > having been outwitted by a simple dog trainer who only > graduated high school. ************************************************************************* > WEDTM: > Thirty-four years ago, this trainer chose no longer to > train dogs according to the techniques available. It > simply wasn't worth doing. One experience of souring the > spirit of a beautiful, troubled dog, while following the > best advice available from the most accredited sources > anywhere, was enough for him. > Revision: > Some thirty years ago, this trainer discontinued > techniques, deemed 'best practices,' that dampened the > spirit of a beautiful but troubled dog. **************************************************************************** > WEDTM: > We will never recommend seeking outside assistance or > books, abuse or use of unnatural, artificial, or abusive [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > takes one lapse of judgment to subvert the deep trust > established through our work. > Revision: > You must carefully follow the Wits' End Dog Training > Method to maintain your dog's trust. > ************************************************************** > WEDTM: > The secret is to allow the undesired behavior to begin > again, and simply present the sound from another [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > seconds), and be prepared to create your sound distraction > and praise as soon as the behavior begins again. > Revision: > The secret is to allow the misbehavior to reappear, > present distracting sound from another direction, and then > immediately praise for at least 10 sec provided he is > not misbehaving. Repeat as necessary. > _____________________________________________________________ > I have read rpdb for about six years. Consequently, I urge newbies to > attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have > learned much. They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane > Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, > Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin > Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane > Webb, and Terri Willis. > Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis Specialty/ > Department of Psychology/University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/ > Milwaukee, WI 53201 > der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer > "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, > and is thus a source of civilized delight." -- William Safire roo Jan 12 2002, 8:29 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "roo" <r...@kanga.net> - Find messages by this author Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:22:13 -0000 Local: Sat, Jan 12 2002 8:22 am Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "Lushious Lugs" <p...@thedog.com> wrote in message news:a1pmp8$ti2$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > > Dear Bogmyrtle, > > Much of the advice in Jerry's manual is OK. The manual's > > major failing is its verbosity. I estimate that the manual > > can be reduced by 50% and remain as informative. > > Some time ago, I posted some revisions. I recently > > reviewed the manual and much of the orginal, wordy text > > remains. > If you can remember back a few months Bog myrtle has fairly well proven > herself to be a troll thriving on the 'game' of upsetting US folk... > generally I would recommend ignoring this poster. > Diana True, Diana, but I like Marshall's revisions, and his exercise on writing concisely. Thanks, Marshall. Alikat - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > > --Marshall > > *************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do > > need a dog you can live with, starting today, not after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > or "come" command, are all that one needs to effectively > > control the companion dog. > > Suggested Revision: > > Your dog may not need formal obedience training, but it > > should at least be trained as a companion. Such training > > requires your understanding canine thinking and learning; > > using the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, and teaching > > the "recall" and "come." ************************************************************************* > > WEDTM: > > The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor > > accidents. They are instinctive challenges to your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > appropriate leader, and make him want to do anything you > > ask. > > Revision: > > Your dog's misbehavior instinctively challenges your > > authority. Wit's End Dog Training transforms your dog from > > a challenger to a follower. ********************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > This manual will provide all the tools you will need to > > learn properly to handle and train your dog. We will > > address the most difficult behaviors with effective tools, > > real answers, and common sense advice. Successful > > completion of our program means you will never need > > another dog-training lesson again! > > Revision: > > This manual provides all the information you will ever > > need to train your dog. *********************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > The first thing you may notice is the lack of confusing > > psychobabble. Sure, it's almost impossible to avoid any > > use of psychobabble, but there's no need to complicate > > learning new information with unnecessary technical > > jargon. > > Revision: > > This manual avoids jargon. *********************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > Wits' End Dog Training is accustomed to criticism from a > > variety of pet professionals. Holding different values is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > obsolete, that you've missed the point? You'd respond, > > "What degrees do you hold?" > > Revision: > > Wits' End Dog Training has been criticized by > > university-trained critics who basically are jealous on > > having been outwitted by a simple dog trainer who only > > graduated high school. ************************************************************************* > > WEDTM: > > Thirty-four years ago, this trainer chose no longer to > > train dogs according to the techniques available. It > > simply wasn't worth doing. One experience of souring the > > spirit of a beautiful, troubled dog, while following the > > best advice available from the most accredited sources > > anywhere, was enough for him. > > Revision: > > Some thirty years ago, this trainer discontinued > > techniques, deemed 'best practices,' that dampened the > > spirit of a beautiful but troubled dog. **************************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > We will never recommend seeking outside assistance or > > books, abuse or use of unnatural, artificial, or abusive [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > takes one lapse of judgment to subvert the deep trust > > established through our work. > > Revision: > > You must carefully follow the Wits' End Dog Training > > Method to maintain your dog's trust. > > ************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > The secret is to allow the undesired behavior to begin > > again, and simply present the sound from another [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > seconds), and be prepared to create your sound distraction > > and praise as soon as the behavior begins again. > > Revision: > > The secret is to allow the misbehavior to reappear, > > present distracting sound from another direction, and then > > immediately praise for at least 10 sec provided he is > > not misbehaving. Repeat as necessary. > > _____________________________________________________________ > > I have read rpdb for about six years. Consequently, I urge newbies to > > attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I > have > > learned much. They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane > > Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, > > Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin > > Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane > > Webb, and Terri Willis. > > Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis Specialty/ > > Department of Psychology/University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/ > > Milwaukee, WI 53201 > > der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer > > "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, > > and is thus a source of civilized delight." -- William Safire Jerry Howe Jan 12 2002, 12:48 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> - Find messages by this author Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:45:15 -0500 Local: Sat, Jan 12 2002 12:45 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse You're an idiot. She "became a troll" because she got your number... that's the problem. Jerry. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > > In article <a1pi30$bo...@paris.btinternet.com> "bogmyrtle" > <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> writes: > > >I have with your manuals help finally learned how to get my dog to behave > > >inside and outside . I have forwarded your advice to all my doggy friends > > >and they all love what you have to say ..Carry on regardless of the > hassle > > >they give you in here ,,, > > >Bogmyrtle > > Dear Bogmyrtle, > > Much of the advice in Jerry's manual is OK. The manual's > > major failing is its verbosity. I estimate that the manual > > can be reduced by 50% and remain as informative. > > Some time ago, I posted some revisions. I recently > > reviewed the manual and much of the orginal, wordy text > > remains. > If you can remember back af ew months Bog myrtle has fairly well proven > herself to be a troll thriving on the 'game' of upsetting US folk... > generally I would recommend ignoring this poster. > Diana > > --Marshall > > *************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do > > need a dog you can live with, starting today, not after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > or "come" command, are all that one needs to effectively > > control the companion dog. > > Suggested Revision: > > Your dog may not need formal obedience training, but it > > should at least be trained as a companion. Such training > > requires your understanding canine thinking and learning; > > using the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, and teaching > > the "recall" and "come." ************************************************************************ * > > WEDTM: > > The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor > > accidents. They are instinctive challenges to your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > appropriate leader, and make him want to do anything you > > ask. > > Revision: > > Your dog's misbehavior instinctively challenges your > > authority. Wit's End Dog Training transforms your dog from > > a challenger to a follower. ********************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > This manual will provide all the tools you will need to > > learn properly to handle and train your dog. We will > > address the most difficult behaviors with effective tools, > > real answers, and common sense advice. Successful > > completion of our program means you will never need > > another dog-training lesson again! > > Revision: > > This manual provides all the information you will ever > > need to train your dog. *********************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > The first thing you may notice is the lack of confusing > > psychobabble. Sure, it's almost impossible to avoid any > > use of psychobabble, but there's no need to complicate > > learning new information with unnecessary technical > > jargon. > > Revision: > > This manual avoids jargon. *********************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > Wits' End Dog Training is accustomed to criticism from a > > variety of pet professionals. Holding different values is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > obsolete, that you've missed the point? You'd respond, > > "What degrees do you hold?" > > Revision: > > Wits' End Dog Training has been criticized by > > university-trained critics who basically are jealous on > > having been outwitted by a simple dog trainer who only > > graduated high school. ************************************************************************ * > > WEDTM: > > Thirty-four years ago, this trainer chose no longer to > > train dogs according to the techniques available. It > > simply wasn't worth doing. One experience of souring the > > spirit of a beautiful, troubled dog, while following the > > best advice available from the most accredited sources > > anywhere, was enough for him. > > Revision: > > Some thirty years ago, this trainer discontinued > > techniques, deemed 'best practices,' that dampened the > > spirit of a beautiful but troubled dog. ************************************************************************ **** > > WEDTM: > > We will never recommend seeking outside assistance or > > books, abuse or use of unnatural, artificial, or abusive [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > takes one lapse of judgment to subvert the deep trust > > established through our work. > > Revision: > > You must carefully follow the Wits' End Dog Training > > Method to maintain your dog's trust. > > ************************************************************** > > WEDTM: > > The secret is to allow the undesired behavior to begin > > again, and simply present the sound from another [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > seconds), and be prepared to create your sound distraction > > and praise as soon as the behavior begins again. > > Revision: > > The secret is to allow the misbehavior to reappear, > > present distracting sound from another direction, and then > > immediately praise for at least 10 sec provided he is > > not misbehaving. Repeat as necessary. > > _____________________________________________________________ > > I have read rpdb for about six years. Consequently, I urge newbies to > > attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I > have > > learned much. They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane > > Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, > > Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin > > Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane > > Webb, and Terri Willis. > > Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis Specialty/ > > Department of Psychology/University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/ > > Milwaukee, WI 53201 > > der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer > > "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, > > and is thus a source of civilized delight." -- William Safire Patch Jan 12 2002, 6:25 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Patch" <d.guipago-gle...@LOLntlworld.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:19:10 -0000 Local: Sat, Jan 12 2002 6:19 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "Lushious Lugs" <p...@thedog.com> wrote in message news:a1pmp8$ti2 > If you can remember back af ew months Bog myrtle has fairly well proven > herself to be a troll thriving on the 'game' of upsetting US folk... > generally I would recommend ignoring this poster. > Diana If its the same Bogmyrtle that I am familiar with, and I believe it is, then she aint no troll, but has been a friendly and helpful poster elsewhere. Patch Jerry Howe Jan 12 2002, 8:00 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> - Find messages by this author Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:57:02 -0500 Local: Sat, Jan 12 2002 7:57 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Hello Patch, It seems anybody that sez they've learned from me is a liar, a troll, a paid shill for Jerry, and an animal f.cker. That's what our "experts" say. Jerry. "Patch" <d.guipago-gle...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote in message news:s9608.5050$WQ1.1034282@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > "Lushious Lugs" <p...@thedog.com> wrote in message news:a1pmp8$ti2 > > If you can remember back af ew months Bog myrtle has fairly well proven > > herself to be a troll thriving on the 'game' of upsetting US folk... > > generally I would recommend ignoring this poster. > > Diana > If its the same Bogmyrtle that I am familiar with, and I believe it is, then > she aint no troll, but has been a friendly and helpful poster elsewhere. > Patch roo Jan 12 2002, 10:15 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "roo" <r...@kanga.net> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:41:58 -0000 Local: Sat, Jan 12 2002 9:41 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > "Lushious Lugs" <p...@thedog.com> wrote in message news:a1pmp8$ti2 > > If you can remember back af ew months Bog myrtle has fairly well proven > > herself to be a troll thriving on the 'game' of upsetting US folk... > > generally I would recommend ignoring this poster. > > Diana > If its the same Bogmyrtle that I am familiar with, and I believe it is, then > she aint no troll, but has been a friendly and helpful poster elsewhere. > Patch I checked her out too, Patch, and she is into heavy-handed teasing, and then saying 'moi?', wondering why people get annoyed. She especially likes to tease people from the US. Her teasing often seems to be the prime motive for her posting behavior, rather than her having any interest in the topic the group is meant to be focusing on. We could do without that in rpdb. We get enough cultural misunderstandings, and spats already, with people who are being sincere and who are really interested in dog behavior. And I would rate you highly on sincerity and being really interested in dog behavior. Alikat Jerry Howe Jan 13 2002, 9:38 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:34:18 -0500 Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 9:34 am Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse You told Misty to killfile Jerry and that got her dog Peach DEAD. You gonna say "moi?" Shove it roo. You're a lying dog abusing Thug. Jerry. The CURSE Of The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) > Or Is It Just NATURAL LAW, Tit For Tat, And All Of That, Perhaps? HOWEDY People, You could train your dog not to EAT POISON or SNAKES or SURF from the C-HOWENTERS or not to escape or whatever it takes but ONLY if you study and follow the INSTRUCTIONS it takes that ONLY The Amazing Puppy Wizard makes that can teach you HOWE to DO IT YOURSELF... but YOU WON'T on accHOWENT of you'd PREFER to HURT and INTIMIATE your dog just like your kids and your SPHOWES you KNOW HOWE to DO THAT too, don't you, dog lovers. Is It The CURSE Of The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) > Or Is It Just NATURAL LAW, Tit For Tat, And All Of That, Perhaps? HOWEDY People, Look arHOWEND at the liars and dog abusing mental cases you're rubbin elbows with while askin for heelp to hurt and intimdiate the CUNNIN domestic puppy dog you ain't got the intellect to HOWEtwit <{) ;~ ) > THAT'S the COMPANY YOU BEEN KEEPIN. Like HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When you lie with pigs you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em," a lesson taught at the heel of The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{) ; ~ ) > THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) ; ~ ) > THAT INCLUDES YOURSELF as PROVEN by your own POSTED CASE HISTORY. "When you POST HERE abHOWETS The Amazing Puppy Wizard will NO HOWET IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and Discredit and leave you TURNED HOWET an F'd OFF for the last remnants of your dignity and self respect, if you EVER THOUGHT you EVER had any and YOUR OWN WORDS will IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT YOURSELF to your friends business associates and kin for the rest of your life and for generations to come... on accHOWENT of EVERY THING is indellibly archived FOREVER in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives <{) ; ~ ) > Care for lunch, professor SCRUFF SHAKE? hank you Jerry Fixed font - Proportional font KrisHur Jan 13 2002, 5:01 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "KrisHur" <nos...@notme.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:27:10 -0500 Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 1:27 am Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse I remember the post that first put her on my radar....someone asked about a problem with their dog and she posted "maybe your dog doesn't like you.....ever think of that." Then after numerous xenophobic remarks--I am from the US so I may have taken it too personally--KF. "Patch" <d.guipago-gle...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote in message news:s9608.5050$WQ1.1034282@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > "Lushious Lugs" <p...@thedog.com> wrote in message news:a1pmp8$ti2 > > If you can remember back af ew months Bog myrtle has fairly well proven > > herself to be a troll thriving on the 'game' of upsetting US folk... > > generally I would recommend ignoring this poster. > > Diana > If its the same Bogmyrtle that I am familiar with, and I believe it is, then > she aint no troll, but has been a friendly and helpful poster elsewhere. > Patch bogmyrtle Jan 13 2002, 7:27 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 7:26 am Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "KrisHur" <nos...@notme.com> wrote in message news:ouf08.2509$WM6.695516@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- > Don't have such a chip on your shoulder ..I was just joking when I said that , something any other normal person would have realized .. I am just a normal female and I absolutely love and adore ALL animals be they dogs ,cats ,chicken or indeed cows... I have 40 wild Monkparakeets in my garden several times a day and a spend a fortune on feedin them and other animals ..I even have Ratty living a single life in my compost heap and I am not telling anyone either . I don't have any opinion on Amercans as I hardly know any . one or two I have come across have been awful and others have been very nice much the same as any other nationality .... If you meet me you would like me I promise you .... Lots of Love from Bogmyrtle .. PS.... I like Jerry.... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > > "Lushious Lugs" <p...@thedog.com> wrote in message news:a1pmp8$ti2 > > > If you can remember back af ew months Bog myrtle has fairly well proven > > > herself to be a troll thriving on the 'game' of upsetting US folk... > > > generally I would recommend ignoring this poster. > > > Diana > > If its the same Bogmyrtle that I am familiar with, and I believe it is, > then > > she aint no troll, but has been a friendly and helpful poster elsewhere. > > Patch Karen J. Cravens Jan 13 2002, 11:21 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Karen J. Cravens" <silver+...@phoenyx.net> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:10:01 +0000 Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 10:10 am Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> wrote in news:a1s8uj$8it$1@helle.btinternet.com: > I don't have any opinion on Amercans Funny, for someone who posts on alt.nuke-the-usa.... -- Karen J. Cravens Bogmyrtle Jan 13 2002, 1:28 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 1:27 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse -- Love and best wishes from Mariann > "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> wrote in > news:a1s8uj$8it$1@helle.btinternet.com: > > I don't have any opinion on Amercans > Funny, for someone who posts on alt.nuke-the-usa.... > -- > Karen J. Cravens > This is the only newsgroup on my server that deals with behaviour probs in dogs .... all right ? Bogmyrtle Jan 13 2002, 1:40 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 1:39 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse -- Love and best wishes from Mariann "Bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:a1su4h$jq0$1@knossos.btinternet.com... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > -- > Love and best wishes from Mariann > > "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> wrote in > > news:a1s8uj$8it$1@helle.btinternet.com: > > > I don't have any opinion on Amercans > > Funny, for someone who posts on alt.nuke-the-usa.... > >Blame my son for that ,,,,, he is not too keen I believe .. > > -- > > Karen J. Cravens > > This is the only newsgroup on my server that deals with behaviour probs in > dogs .... all right ? Jerry Howe Jan 13 2002, 2:29 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:25:45 -0500 Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 2:25 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse And you see HOWE they deal with them. They call successful non violent trainers and handler liars, frauds, paid shills for Jerry and animal f.ckers... Jerry. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > -- > Love and best wishes from Mariann > > "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> wrote in > > news:a1s8uj$8it$1@helle.btinternet.com: > > > I don't have any opinion on Amercans > > Funny, for someone who posts on alt.nuke-the-usa.... > > -- > > Karen J. Cravens > > This is the only newsgroup on my server that deals with behaviour probs in > dogs .... all right ? Bogmyrtle Jan 13 2002, 1:34 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse -- - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Love and best wishes from Mariann > "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> wrote in > news:a1s8uj$8it$1@helle.btinternet.com: > > I don't have any opinion on Amercans======= AMERICANS ..... SURELY > Funny, for someone who posts on alt.nuke-the-usa.... > -- > Karen J. Cravens Marshall Dermer Jan 13 2002, 5:26 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Jan 2002 01:26:30 GMT Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 5:26 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article <a1s8uj$8i...@helle.btinternet.com> "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> writes: >PS.... I like >Jerry.... Would you like to better know Jerry? How about lunch with Jerry? --Marshall Jerry Howe Jan 13 2002, 7:46 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:43:12 -0500 Local: Sun, Jan 13 2002 7:43 pm Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a1tc46$7u0$1@uwm.edu... > In article <a1s8uj$8i...@helle.btinternet.com> "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> writes: > >PS.... I like > >Jerry.... > Would you like to better know Jerry? How about lunch with Jerry? HOWE about you invite your psych class to participate in our forum, professor? HOWE about you invite the Dean of you school to chit chat with Jerry? Perhaps he'll see fit to award me a honorary degree I can wipe my @$$ with. HOWE much did your degree cost, professor scruff shake? > --Marshall Let's discuss your scruff shake and scream NO in the dog's face for 5 seconds, professor? Is 5 seconds arbitrary, or is that what you've found your little dog likes? Let's discuss your endorsement of the koehler methods, professor. Let's discuss your endorsement of the lying dog abusing Thugs you've learned so goddamned much from, professor. I don't do lunch, professor. Perhaps you'll just invite me to speak at your university about what you don't know, i.e. behavior? HOWE'S my spellin and compunctuation, professor? My gramma sez HOWEDY, professor lying doc "scruff shake" dermer. I fully expect a honorary doctorate for my work, professor scruff shake. j;~) P.S. Perhaps if you didn't punish your dog's behavior (and not the dog) he wouldn't be masturbating on your couch pillow as an anxiety relief mechanism? It's either that, or allelomimetic behavior, professor... Bogmyrtle Jan 14 2002, 2:31 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Local: Mon, Jan 14 2002 2:30 am Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse > In article <a1s8uj$8i...@helle.btinternet.com> "bogmyrtle" <Bogmyr...@btinternet.com> writes: > >PS.... I like > >Jerry.... > Would you like to better know Jerry? How about lunch with Jerry? > --Marshall Stupid boy ................................. |
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