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Bad Cat breath & castrating

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Mark & Ana Jones - 13 Mar 2005 13:07 GMT
My Tom cat's breath smells very bad - like puss and he's dribbling. I tried
to get him into the car to take him to the vets but he ran off.  He often
stays out for days and I'm anxious to catch him soon. Any idea why he would
smell and have a thick mucous drool around his mouth?

Also he is still intact as my foreign wife didn't want me doing the usual
British practice of neutering/spaying when he was a kitten.

Naturally he roams away from home for weeks and returns looking well fed but
ungroomed when he chooses. As I've got to catch him and get him to the vets
soon for his other condition I was considering having him castrated but:-(1)
will he still roam as the habit is now imprinted in him? (2) will he become
more domesticated and stay at home more? (3) is this option too cruel as
I've left it so late?

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Mark Jones
Surrey, UK

Deborah, DVM - 13 Mar 2005 15:31 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Ana Jones" <mark@SPAMGAURDatholmarketing.com>
Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:07 AM
Subject: Bad Cat breath & castrating

> My Tom cat's breath smells very bad - like puss and he's dribbling. I
> tried
> to get him into the car to take him to the vets but he ran off.  He often
> stays out for days and I'm anxious to catch him soon. Any idea why he
> would
> smell and have a thick mucous drool around his mouth?

Bad tooth, gingitivitis, oral ulcers, foreign body in mouth, tumor,
stomatitis, etc etc etc.  Only way to know is to get him to the vet.

> Also he is still intact as my foreign wife didn't want me doing the usual
> British practice of neutering/spaying when he was a kitten.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> but:-(1)
> will he still roam as the habit is now imprinted in him?

maybe a little but should be much less

>(2) will he become
> more domesticated and stay at home more?

probably

>(3) is this option too cruel as
> I've left it so late?

NO NO NO!  It's never too late to neuter.  Whatever is going on in his mouth
may require sedation anyway, so you can kill two birds with one stone!

Deborah, DVM
Mark & Ana Jones - 17 Mar 2005 07:51 GMT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark & Ana Jones" <mark@SPAMGAURDatholmarketing.com>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Bad tooth, gingitivitis, oral ulcers, foreign body in mouth, tumor,
> stomatitis, etc etc etc.  Only way to know is to get him to the vet.

Ulcer on his tongue, on a course of anti's and his appetite is back. If his
blood tests come back OK on Friday then his bits get removed on Monday.

Thanks for your advice.

Mark
Mark & Ana Jones - 19 Mar 2005 09:15 GMT
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark & Ana Jones" <mark@SPAMGAURDatholmarketing.com>
>> Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:07 AM
>> Subject: Bad Cat breath & castrating

Blood tests were fine, tongue ulcer clearing nicely under antibiotics and no
more drooling or nasty smelly breath.

Castration booked in for Monday, he's been imprisoned for almost a week now
and has turned back into an affectionate cat again I'm pleased to report.

Thanks for the advice.

Mark
Deborah, DVM - 19 Mar 2005 14:37 GMT
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark & Ana Jones" <mark@SPAMGAURDatholmarketing.com>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Mark

Glad it wasn't anything too serious.  He'll be much happier without his
no-nos ;-).

Deborah, DVM
YourConscience - 21 Mar 2005 17:33 GMT
HOWEDY mark,

Your kat shouldn't be allHOWED to
roam. THAT will FIX his roaming
problem.

There's NO medical basis for surgically
sexually mutilating your kat.

You've been MISLED by these verterinarians
for their own profit. They don't ADVISE you
that lettin your kat roam MIGHT get him DEAD
on accHOWENT of they know you'll just get a
new replacement kitty kat for them to innoculate
and mutilate <{) ; ~  )  >

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) : ~ ) >

HOWEDY sharon too, veterinary practicioner's
wife and office manager,

As a DOG LOVER and ETHICKAL VETERINARY
PRACTICIONER, HOWE do you think your clinic
will respond to the AVMA'S recommendation to
post a copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual in your front office and assist your
CUSTOMERS in understanding and applying
the TECHNIQUES and TECHNOLOGY The
Amazing Puppy Wizard has PROVEN CURES
STRESS INDUCDED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE?

IMAGINE HOWE it will be when your clinic starts
SELLIN HEELTH instead of HEELIN WHOWENDS
caused by THE METHDOS YOU TEACH YOUR
"PATIENTS" to HURT INTIMIDATE and CAUSE
the DENTAL DIS-EASE and IRRITIBLE BHOWEL
DIS-EASE and CRUCIATE LIGAMENT DIS-EASE
and URINARY TRACT ? BHOWEL DIS-EASE and
ENDOCRINE DIS-EASE, eh sharon?

You'll CURE 90% of your current MEDICAL
MALPRACTICE NEARLY INSTANTLY.

Of curse, the AVMA PROBABLY won't be WIZED
UP to the FACT that neutering causes FEAR
AGGRESSION... at least for another five years
or so after they start studing the CAUSE of 90%
of CHRONIC HEELTH problems.

IMAGINE??? NO MOORE INTESTINAL SURGERY
to pull your DH HOWETA your warm bed at nite!

NO MOORE  auto accidents to pull doctor DH from
Sunday Dinner!

NO MOORE CHRONIC EAR INFECTIONS to treat FOREVER!

NO MOORE SELF MUTILATION and PAW LICKING
DERMATITIS TO OPERATE ON! NO MOORE CUTTIN
OFF TOES TO CURE CHEWIN!!!

NO MOORE BROKEN TEETH TO FIX.

NO MOORE DENTAL MAINTAINANCE CLEANIN!!!

ON ACCHOWENT OF:

Dogs DON'T GET BAD TEETH and most of those
other DIS-EASES UNLESS THEY'RE STRESSED,
sharon the vet's wife too, and The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual's STUDENTS REPORTS, METHODS
and INDEPENDENT OF HUMAN INTERVENTION, The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's Doggy Do Right (And Kitty
Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo And A Cow
And A Horse Or Two Did Too) MACHINE,  PROVES IT
SCIENTIFICALLY.

Perhaps Dr. sharon too will be interested in presenting
his findings to the AVAMA as soon as possible so ALL
the VETERINARY PRACTICIONERS will be able to
STOP 90% of their current practice HEELING DOGS
YOU'VE MADE DEATHLY ILL!!!

LIKE THIS:

Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences
On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer

Emotional Influences On Behavior

Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
McConville & Kaplan, 1966).

A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
importance of emotional factors in general health.

Interview findings of emotional material (recently
experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)

150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
residence and is more important than a chronic cough
or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).

A ten year observation of all the women who developed
cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
especially marked with those of an undecided body
build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
(Grinker, 1966).

In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
with a number of losses or separations and with
feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
(Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).

Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;
(1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
collective panic and epilepsies;

(2) organic modifications, including functional
difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal,
cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin,
urinary, and neuro muscular systems.

It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
the standard six hour school day that I have been
able to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz
quite by accident found that six hours on and six
hour off of "EXECUTIVE  BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was
the ONLY TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING
ULCERS.

----- Original Message -----
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."

<drv...@mindspring.com>
To: <pdd-aspy...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

How does diagnosis shape treatment?

Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard.  Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.

His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student, the late Sam

Corson, Ph.D., did at the U
of Ohio (at Oxford,O).

Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very
carefully, over again.

Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training is immoral.
I've watched him in one short
session calm impossible dogs, just about to be murdered
(oops "put to sleep") because of their "incorrigibly"
violent behavior.

Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for yperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality
that a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to
dog love.

You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's
"Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland
and Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms".

Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental
niche of the animal being trained.

Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual history, and the
nature of he disorder.

Dr. Von

PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a
look at Jerry's work, ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net

        From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)

    The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically
consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent
manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of
tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog

but for raising a loving
companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a
logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas
based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears

his heart upon his sleeve. It
touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing,
intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows  that force is not effective
and that it will certainly  lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe  that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by

force. Jerry knows this too.
We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry M Male" <larrymm...@yahoo.com
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Cocker with ear infection

Thanks Jerry,

I enjoyed the scientific discussion debunking
operant conditioning for teaching thinking animals.
Humans think by forming concepts. All of their
knowledge is held as a hierarchy of concepts
(more complex concepts defined in terms of
simpler ones). In my mind, to treat such a being
as a B. F. Skinner robot is criminal.

I don't believe that dogs hold their knowledge
as concepts as do humans but their ability to
think is unquestionable.

Operantconditioning doesn't utilize an animal's
ability to think. When you show a dog what you
want them to do, then they are able to grasp the
problem; they are able to think about it and to
integrate possible solutions into their mind.

But with operant conditioning a trainer is actually
hiding the problem to be solved from the animal.

For example, it is good for your dog's attention to
be upon you. When heeling, he will notice your
movements, your subtle hand signals, your facial
expressions and he will immediately sense your
next command. But the clicker trainers have forgotten
the reasons why a dog's attention should be upon you.

So they condition a dog to unnaturally cock his head
to stare upward at you. The dog doesn't appreciate
the meaning of this and neither does the trainer. Since
this unnatural behavior is prized in the obedience ring,
the clicker trainers are motivated to condition it.

Don't you think that the "high five" hand shake that
clicker trainers use to motivate novices looks like a
Nazi salute (an unthinking reflex). It is not at all like
a warm hand shake from a loving companion, is it?

Some of your testimonials bring tears to my eyes. I
love to see how some "thinking" people appreciate
your methods.

--Larry
 
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