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Chloe's Mom - 20 Mar 2005 01:04 GMT I just took Chloe for a walk and when she pee'd I noticed it looked very red. (It was nearing sunset, so at first I thought maybe the light was playing tricks on me). I put my hand on the ground where she'd pee'd to see, and it came up with no signs. When she squatted to pee again I watched again and it again looked very red. This time she pee'd on a leaf so I was able to visually see and it was VERY red. I had her sit and I looked at her underside and there was even a bit of bloody urine on her fur.
Asside from this symptom, I've noticed no other symptoms. Her eating, drinking and physical activity are all normal and her urinary activity is also normal. (although she did wake me up about an hour earlier than normal this morning in order to be let out to go). She has a history of cystitis, and I do have some baytril in the cabinet from her last episode that was over a year ago though.
Its 7pm on a Saturday night so the vet isn't open. I put a call in and left a message as the vet does occasionally check messages on the weekends.
So, my question is, do I take her to the emergency clinic, or do I wait until the vet opens on Monday morning and just start giving her some baytril now.
If it were the cat, I know it would necessitate a trip asap. But with dogs, I'm not sure.
Andrija - 20 Mar 2005 01:19 GMT > So, my question is, do I take her to the emergency clinic, or do I wait > until the vet opens on Monday morning and just start giving her some > baytril > now. Is there a possibility of Chloe eating something outside? Rodenticide anticoagulant ingestion is possible differential diagnosis here (which is emergency). It may also be a bladder infection or even a bladder tumor. I don't like people giving antibiotics by themselves, although in a case of bladder infection Baytril could be a good choice.
shelly - 20 Mar 2005 01:24 GMT >So, my question is, do I take her to the emergency clinic, or do I wait >until the vet opens on Monday morning and just start giving her some baytril >now. > >If it were the cat, I know it would necessitate a trip asap. But with dogs, >I'm not sure. it sure sounds like a UTI, and a bad one at that. cat, dog, or human, they're excruciatingly painful. i'd take her in to the emergency vet tonight if it were me.
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Chloe's Mom - 20 Mar 2005 18:13 GMT > >So, my question is, do I take her to the emergency clinic, or do I wait > >until the vet opens on Monday morning and just start giving her some baytril [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > they're excruciatingly painful. i'd take her in to the emergency vet > tonight if it were me. Thanks,
I did get to talk to the emergency vet and then later my own vet. I'm currently giving chloe some Baytril that we had at the house and tomorrow morning my vet will refill the Keflex prescription we've used in the past.
She doesn't appear in pain, is still eating normal, drinking normal, and energy levels and personality appear normal.
This morning we went for a walk. She'd already been let outside to pee before I got to walk her, but during the walk i brought a cup along to get a sample. The first time she squatted to pee it came out clear (yellow) with no trace of visable blood. Then at the end of the walk she squatted one more time, I tried to get it, but couldn't get under her in time, but visually, it was red. So, it happens once her bladder is empty.
YourConscience - 20 Mar 2005 20:29 GMT > > >So, my question is, do I take her to the emergency clinic, or do I wait > > >until the vet opens on Monday morning and just start giving her some [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > more time, I tried to get it, but couldn't get under her in time, but > visually, it was red. So, it happens once her bladder is empty. Here's some biophysical reasons HOWE COME MOST OF HOWER DOG LOVERS'S DOGS ARE breakin DHOWEN DYIN an DROPPIN DEAD from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:
Veterinarian treats thousands of pets with multiple illnesses from chronic infections to autoimmune conditions and finds a common anomaly - adrenal/thyroid hormonal-imbalances & deficiencies
The adrenals are a pair of ductless glands that sit atop the kidneys in the lower part of the back. New insights on metabolism and hormonal balance indicate that the adrenals and thyroid have a direct role in energy production, well-being, allergies, immune function and many other areas of human health.
An article by Alfred J Plechner DVM and M. Zucker "Unrecognized endocrine-Immune Defects in Multiple Diseases: An Effective Veterinary model may offer Therapeutic promise for human conditions. A mutual friend, Martin Zucker, sparked my interest in Plechners theories and treatment approach. Zucker stated that Alfred Plechner has developed a simple protocol for treating cats, dogs and other pets that have chronic infections and multiple health problems that do not resolve on their own.
The protocol involves diagnostic testing for certain thyroid and adrenal hormones followed by low-dose adrenal and thyroid replacement hormones that are used together rather than separately. The result of the treatment is that Adrenal estrogen production declines and stops binding to thyroid hormones. The end result is that thyroxin is freed-up to increase ATP production in the cells. This normalizes body temperature and cell- mediated immune functions improve.
According to Zucker, Plechner treated dozens of cats with FIV infection. Zucker stated that the treatment restored normal immune function. FIV stands for Feline Immunodeficiency Virus. The equivalent in humans is HIV. I asked Zucker if this treatment approach has ever been used in humans to treat HIV? He said that to his knowledge it has not. One wonders what Plechner's protocol would do for HIV and other immune deficiency diseases including CFIDS, candidiasis, cancer, hepatitis, Lyme disease, lupus, MS, allergies and autoimmune diseases. Will it bring us closer to a cure for AIDS or a control that has little or no side effects?
How and why do deficits and imbalances in endocrine hormones affect the immune system? We know that hypothyroidism (low thyroid function) leaves a person vulnerable to one chronic infection after another.
In Wisconsin, Dennis, a local PWA, HIV+ since 1983 has had above normal body temperature all his life and after all these years, still no HIV progression. Never on drugs his viral load is still under 1000.
In a separate phone call to Alfred Plechner, I asked him what exactly is his treatment protocol? Here was his reply.
Alfred: The treatment consists of giving low dose thyroid hormones along with low-dose cortisone.
Mark: You mean low-dose thyroid hormones like Armour Thyroid that provide the thyroid hormone "thyroxin" and Cortone that provide one of the adrenal hormones cortisone or its most active form - hydrocortisone?
Alfred: Yes, the equivalent of these drugs for use in humans is available by prescription for household pets and other animals. The amount given varies according to the weight of the animal and the results of diagnostic tests. If I were treating an adult human, I would start off with 1/2 grain of thyroid (about 60 mg) and 5 mg of cortisone twice a day. You need to monitor blood pressure when giving thyroid as too much could cause it to rise as well as increase the pulse rate. The process of increasing thyroid use has to be gradual. Usually the amount of cortisone used is maintained at a low level.
Mark: I can understand the role of the thyroid hormone as it controls cellular metabolism throughout the body, the production of ATP and will help in normalizing body temperature that is critical for restoring cell-mediated immune responses, but cortisone, is it not immunosuppressive?
Alfred: Absolutely, if you take too much of it. The same is true for zinc. Research has shown that too little zinc or too much is immunosuppressive and this has been shown for other nutrients as well. You absolutely need zinc for your thymus gland to function properly and mature T cells but you don't want too much or too little. Experience has shown that 15 to 30 mg daily is a safe and effective dosage range. Now for cortisone, it is a natural anti-inflammatory hormone and the normal healthy human body produces about 40 mg daily. It is well established that too much cortisone is immunosuppressive, in fact, for this reason alone, cortisone has a bad reputation. What is not known is that too little free cortisol is immunosuppressive. There are many people treated with thyroid hormones that get their body temperature back to normal and many who do not. One reason is that part of the Adrenal glands are exhausted and are not producing enough cortisol and another part of the Adrenal glands are producing too much estrogen that binds to thyroxin. The production of cortisol is controlled through a feedback loop. Note: When cortisone is administered, it is converted to the active form called cortisol that is also known as hydrocortisone.
Mark: What is a feedback loop?
Alfred: Cortisol levels are controlled by a classical feedback loop that involves the hypothalamus-pituitary and adrenal glands. Cortisol, the primary glucocorticoid, is produced in the middle Adrenal cortex layer. We have found a problem in cortisol production that comes from two of three layers of the adrenal cortex. The defect can be genetic or due to other causes (nutritional deficiencies or toxins). Cortisol stimulates several processes that serve to increase and maintain normal glucose levels in the blood, exert a potent anti-inflammatory effect and act as a regulating factor for normal immune function.
Mark: Tell me more about this "loop" and how does normalizing cortisol and estrogen levels affect the functioning of the Thyroid gland and help restore normal body temperature and cell-mediated immune function?
Alfred: "The loop is called the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis. Cortisol is secreted in response to a single stimulator: AdrenoCorticoTropic Hormone (ACTH) that is produced by the Pituitary gland. ACTH is itself secreted under control of the Hypothalamus and a hormone it secretes called Corticotropic-Releasing Factor (CRF). Cortisol secretion is suppressed or stimulated by classical feedback loops. When blood concentrations rise above a certain threshold, cortisol inhibits CRF secretion. This, in turn, inhibits ACTH and less ACTH reduces adrenal secretion of cortisol.
"However, when the adrenal gland is unable to produce enough cortisol, or for some reason the cortisol is bound, or otherwise inactive, and thus not recognized by the system, the pituitary continues to produce ACTH in order to extract more cortisol from the adrenals.
"The inner cortical layer, where adrenal estrogen is produced, also responds to ACTH. The result of constant ACTH stimulation in a situation where cortisol is bound or deficient produces a release of adrenal estrogen into the system. As cortisol levels fail to reach the threshold to stop the Hypothalamus from secreting CRF, the CRF stimulates the Pituitary to continue to secrete ACTH. The ACTH tries to get the Adrenal gland to produce cortisol but the same ACTH also stimulates the adrenals to secrete estrogen. As a result of an inability of the adrenals to keep up with demand for cortisol, adrenal estrogen levels build up and cause the following:
1. A histamine-like effect on capillaries, leading to inflammation from blood components spilling into adjacent tissues
2. Binding thyroid hormone
3. Further deregulation of lymphocytes and antibodies. "
Mark: Elevated histamine levels have been linked to elevated interluken 6 levels in many studies. If the histamine like effects are due to actual elevated histamine levels then should not we also expect IL-6 levels to increase also; and if that were the case, would we not also expect a shift in cytokine profiles from TH1 to the less effective TH2?
Alfred: That is a good question. I have not investigated whether or not IL-6 levels are elevated in these conditions but I have found out that IgA levels are low and these low levels in the digestive tract lead to food allergies and sensitivities as well as malabsorption.
Mark: IgA is a TH1 cytokine needed for mucosal immunity. Bifidobacteria Longum has been found to increase the levels of IgA as does vitamin A. What are some of the benefits of supplementing with low-dose thyroid and cortisone you have observed in your clinical practice?
Alfred: After a trial and error period, I have developed a testing and treatment strategy that has proved to safe and highly effective. The central modality is replacement with physiological doses of cortisone preparations to address the root issue of cortisol deficiency. The low-dose cortisone preparations normalize ACTH levels, stop the overproduction of adrenal estrogen and the accompanying estrogen blockade of the thyroid hormones and reregulates the immune system. The use of low dose cortisone long term has also been reported by Jefferies for treating allergies, autoimmune disorders and chronic fatigue syndrome (1).
The second important modality is the simultaneous use of thyroid hormone. The thyroid hormone is needed because the excess adrenal estrogen has bound some of the thyroid hormone. The low dose thyroid hormone helps increase the metabolic rate and the liver to detoxify as well as process the cortisol. By giving cortisol and thyroid replacement simultaneously, the body is able to effectively utilize and process the former (cortisol) without developing side effects.
Once the testing and low-dose hormone therapy is underway, it is very important to follow a hypoallergenic diet and remove foods to which the animal or person is sensitive. After a few weeks, the sensitive foods may be reintroduced one at a time.
Mark: Have you written and published other articles on this subject?
Alfred: In the late 1970's, I wrote 4 articles (2, 3, 4 and 5) on my experiences and theories but found no germane research in veterinary journals to provide guidance.
Mark: As a general guide for someone who has low body temperature, low cortisol and high estrogen, what would be a safe dose with which to start?
Alfred: For cortisol, 5 mg twice a day. Take at 8am and 2pm. Do not take cortisone supplements in the evening or before bedtime, as it will interfere with the REM state of sleep. We want cortisol levels higher when we are awake and low when we are asleep. In normal subjects, cortisol levels are highest at 8am in the morning. Also, melatonin levels that help promote restful sleep should be lowest during the day and increase after dark and before bedtime. A melatonin spillover in the AM can depress the basal metabolic rate all day. This can be turned off by exposing the eyes to bright natural lights for a few minutes or taking a walk outside without wearing sunglasses.
For thyroid, 1/4 grain (about 15 mg) daily to start and after a few weeks if blood pressure and pulse are not elevated to gradually increase the thyroid amount. The cortisol levels are left the same. The hormonal and immune benefits will accrue and be maintained as long as the person stays on the protocol. A physician's prescription is required for both the cortisol and thyroid hormones. The key here is low-dose for successful long-term use as adverse effects may develop from higher doses. Note: Thyroxine is a strong inducer of IgA, a TH1 cytokine needed for intestinal and mucosal health.
Ref: 1. Jefferies, w. McK. Mild adrencortical deficiency, chronic allergies, autoimmune disorders and the chronic fatigue syndrome: a continuation of the cortisone story. Medical Hypothesis, 1994; 42;183-189
2. Plechner A. J., Shannon M., Canine Immune Complex diseases. Modern Veterinary Practice, November 1976; 917
3. Plechner A. J., Shannon M., Epstein A, Goldstein E., Howard E. B., Endocrine-immune surveillance. Pulse. June-July, 1978
4. Plechner A. J., Theory of endocrine-immune surveillance. California Veterinarian, Jan 1979; 12.
5. Plechner A. J. Preliminary observations on endocrine-associated immunodeficiencies in dogs? A clinician explores the relationship of immunodeficiencies to endocrinopathy. Modern Veterinary Practice, 1979; 811
Important Highlights from Alfred Plechner's article
35,000 pets treated with this protocol Alfred Plechner states he has treated over 35000 pets in the past 20 years with this protocol. Plechner reports that low cortisol and thyroid hormone lowers T cell panels in the tests. Estrogen can exert a dramatic blocking effect on cortisol and thyroid hormones, and just a slight variation out of normal is enough to cause hormonal and immune complications. In this case, the relationship is usually low cortisol, high estrogen and deregulated immune cells.
In female animals that are not neutered, testing is done when the animals are not in estrus and are not producing high levels of ovarian estrogen.
Diagnostic Tests used by Plechner
Nicole H - 20 Mar 2005 07:55 GMT My redbone would get bladder crystals which would cause bloody urination. He also showed a lot of discomfort when urinating.
> I just took Chloe for a walk and when she pee'd I noticed it looked very > red. (It was nearing sunset, so at first I thought maybe the light was [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > If it were the cat, I know it would necessitate a trip asap. But with dogs, > I'm not sure. Emma Copley - 20 Mar 2005 21:51 GMT would take her to the vets on monday but I would give her the baytril without see the vet. Common sense any difficulties in passing urine then you must see the vet asap.
>I just took Chloe for a walk and when she pee'd I noticed it looked very > red. (It was nearing sunset, so at first I thought maybe the light was [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > dogs, > I'm not sure.
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