> better. The next 4 days our cat took a
> serious dive in her well-being - more than coincidence this was the period
> the prednisone had been applied.
HOWEDY bugF'nNUTS,
> > We had owned/cherished our cat since it was a couple of weeks old and she
> > would have been 14yrs old in late August.... 18mths ago she was found to
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> buglady
> take out the dog before replying
Seems there's a lot of critters havin bad reactions to steroids...
GETOVER IT is what a vet would say to avoid gettin sued for
MALPRACTICE. Of curse, he wouldn't KNOW in advance the
critter is gonna react like that, but sometimes they DO.
Just GET OVER bein so DEFENSIVE of vets.
And then ask him HOWE COME he didn't UNDERSTAND that.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
HOWEDY bugF'nNUTS,
> > We had owned/cherished our cat since it was a couple of weeks old and she
> > would have been 14yrs old in late August.... 18mths ago she was found to
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> buglady
> take out the dog before replying
But you knew that anyHOWE:
From: "buglady" <buglad...@bigfootdog.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:27:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Causes of Pancreatitis in Dogs
Diane D. wrote in message <3ca5f84...@news.mdc.net>...
>I am assuming that the Prednisone is the
>Corticosteroids. Is that correct?
....Yep.
>Seems strange at so low a dose (5mg) don't you think in such a large dog?
...More from Sm An Clin Nut:
*Anecdotal reports suggest that corticosteroids are
the more common drug associated with pancreatitis in
dogs.
Pancreatitis is common in dogs with hyperadrenocorticism
Cushings) and in dogs receiving corticosteroids for
management of intervetertebral disk disease.
Experimentally, corticosteroids increase the sensitivity
of dispersed acinar cells to cholecystokinin and simulate
proliferation of the pancreatic ductular epithelium.*
........So the listing of intevetebral disk disease
being a risk factor is not really true - its a dog
with this disease on corticosteroids that is a risk
factor.
.......Additionally they say about the table I posted:
*Most animals with these risk factors, however, do not
develop pancreatitis.
An association has been made between hyperlipidemia and
acute pancreatitis in dogs and people, which has led to
speculation that disturbances in lipid metabolism may
be involved.
The exact relationsihp is not known in dogs or
cats and information is often extracted from
human cases.*
> She is now on a tranquillizer, has had plasma, only
> vomitted once last night and once this AM and seems
> much quieter.
......Glad to hear she's feeling a bit better. As
long as she continues to improve, even a little, day
by day, you'll make it out of the woods. I knew a
vet once that suggested subQs with pancreatitis, but
not enough to fully hydrate the dog until the vomiting
had stopped. He said even with subQs if you pushed a
lot of fluid it somehow engaged the vomiting reflex.
Don't know if this is standard practice or not.
buglady
take out the dog before replying
From: "Diane D." <d...@pntcom.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:12:14 -0500
Subject: Causes of Pancreatitis in Dogs
I have a 10 year old female Pointer who is now in
Intensive Care with sudden onset Pancreatitis.
She has not eaten anything poisonous or received any
'special treats' which are the normal causes of this
disease. She has been on 500 mg. of Clavamox twice a
day for 3 days before the illness struck as well as
5mg Prednisone (weaning dose).
Could either of these meds have caused this to ocurr?
From: "buglady" <buglad...@bigfootdog.com> -
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:53:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Causes of Pancreatitis in Dogs
Yes, corticosteroids are a risk factor for pancreatitis.
Small Animal Clinical Nutrition, 4th Ed. p. 788
Risk factors for pancreatitis in dogs and cats:
Breed: Briard, Himalayan cat, Miniature schnauzer, Sheltie
Diet: dietary indiscretion, high-fat, low-protein foods
Drug administration: Azathioprine, Corticosteroids, L-asparaginase,
Organophosphate insecticides (cats)
Fasting hyperlipidemia
Gender: castrated males, spayed females
Hepatobiliary disease: Feline suppurative cholangiohepatitis
Hypercalcemia: hyperparathyroidism, Intravenous calcium infusion
Increasing age
Intervetebral disk disease
Ischemia or reperfusion: Postgastric dilation-volvulus
Obesity
buglady
take out the dog before replying
Diane D. wrote in message <3ca5ca5...@news.mdc.net>...
> She has been on 500 mg. of Clavamox twice a day for
> 3 days before the illness struck as well as 5mg
> Prednisone (weaning dose). Could either of these
> meds have caused this to ocurr?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:28:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Causes of Pancreatitis in Dogs
Thank you for the article buglady!
I am assuming that the Prednisone is the Corticosteroids.
Is that correct? Seems strange at so low a dose (5mg)
don't you think in such a large dog?
Anything is possible I guess.
She is currently much more comfortable after removal of
the morphine patch - bad reaction that that - she
became "disuphoric" (not sure if that is the correct
medical term).
They have discontinued use of ampicillin in her IV
as they were concerned about the continued vomitting.
She is now on a tranquillizer, has had plasma, only
vomitted once last night and once this AM and seems
much quieter.
She is still running a low-grade fever. No signs of
infection - could still be the lingering affects of
the morphine or ampicillin.
This is rather heart wrenching to watch in a dog that
has been very active and healthy for 10 years!
Thanks again for your help.
From: "Diane D." <d...@pntcom.com> -
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:41:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Causes of Pancreatitis in Dogs
It is not looking better today for the girl.
She hasn't vomitted now for 24 hours, and seems much
brighter and alert, however her clotting time is
longer and there is concern about a lump in her
abdomine. They have given her a dose of what they call 'special K' to
help with the clotting, she also
received more plasma and she is supposed to have an
ultrasound tomorrow. There is concern over a possible
tumor being the cause of all her symptoms. Will know
more tomorrow.