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imaqt2nvy2@aol.com - 08 Aug 2005 00:20 GMT
what do you recommend as the safest way to leave a dog in a car, is it
even right?.. I don't believe that any pet should be left alone in a
car no matter what especially in the summer.  What do you think its
like for a dog to sit in a car with just a few windows cracked if at
all.  No human would like that..

should it be against the law?

Is there enough punishment for those who do abandon their pets for 5
mins or 5 hours in the car?

what are the punishments with the law?

Any reponse would be appreciated

Thanks
Ebbtide - 08 Aug 2005 00:50 GMT
In FL where we live it is against the law, however I see it and it almost
kills me. - It does kill  the pet, real quick.
On the other hand, we do take our dog in the winter, in about 50-60 deg.
here for a ride and leave her for about 15 minutes in the parking lot of the
market. We never leave her a long time. This is her treat, but in the
warm/hot weather she stays in the a/c of our home instead of cooking/dying
in a car. It is unbelievable what people do with their pets, and their
kids!!!

> what do you recommend as the safest way to leave a dog in a car, is it
> even right?.. I don't believe that any pet should be left alone in a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Thanks
josh - 08 Aug 2005 01:25 GMT
> should it be against the law?

IMO, yes.  But at the very least, you should be prepared to lose a window.
I see an animal locked in an unventilated car on a 95 degree day and I can't
find the owner, I'm looking for bricks.
Spot - 08 Aug 2005 01:26 GMT
I take mine all the time in the winter and she stays in the car 15 to 20
minutes.  Now in the summer if I'm in the store for 5 min or less she goes
along.  The AC is cranked on high AND the windows are all down 4 inches.
Just as a precaution in case the car should shut off.  It never has but it
always worries me.  The other thing is that I'm handicapped so the car it
parked right up front and I check out the windows of the store.

The few places she goes with me in the summer are to Subway and we park
right at the doors so I see her clearly.  To the fruit stand again right at
the front doors.  Over to Fashion Bug to make a payment (right in and back
out).  I never take her with me if I'm SHOPPING then she's at home in the
kennel.

Celeste

> what do you recommend as the safest way to leave a dog in a car, is it
> even right?.. I don't believe that any pet should be left alone in a
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>
> Thanks
YourConscience - 08 Aug 2005 05:15 GMT
HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:
> "Pauline O'Connell" <poconel@pacbell.net> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > What are we doing wrong??

Perahps she ain't got a crate, eh matty? THAT'll
STOP the biting soon as you lock the door, "NEARLY
INSTANTLY", you might say <{); ~ ) >

> Which posts are you reading

You KNOW she AIN'T been readin The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Posts or SHE WOULDN'T BE POSTING HERE
abHOWETS on accHOWENT of ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS
COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES who CHOKE SHOCK CRATE INTIMIDATE
BRIBE LOCK THEIR DOGS IN BOXES and SPRAY AVERSIVES
in their dog's faces or IGNORE THEIR CRIES and
MURDER their fear aggressive deathly ill dogs
when they get TOO SCARED to CHOKE SHOCK CRATE
INTIMIDATE BRIBE LOCK THEIR DOGS IN BOXES and
SPRAY AVERSIVESin their dog's faces or IGNORE
THEIR CRIES someMOORE, like HOWE you done your
own DEATHLY ILL HYPERACTIVE dog Rocky <{): ~ ) >

> if you've been reading these newsgroups for a few weeks?

Are you calling pauline a LIAR, matty? Tsk tsk.
SHE SEZ she been READIN The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSSITENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Forums and SHE DIDN'T GET her 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS, matty <{): ~ ) >

> I've read no advice which even comes close to
> what you're describing.

Perhaps you got some ADVICE, matty?

HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:
> Janet Puistonen said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> >> That's not my preference.  Corrections only work
> >> when the dog understands the behaviour.

"Corrections" ONLY work when the abuser is
standing right there ready to HURT the dog
someMOORE.

> > And shrieking "OW!" isn't my preference.

THAT will over EXXXCITE the dog and REWARD his behavior.

> Nor is it mine, as I've already written.

That's right, matty. It's your third choice:

> In article <Fri9679706E6BD65australianshepher...
> @rocky-dog.com>, Rocky<2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote:

> > John Ferman said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> > > Our adopted 10-month old bichon get a little too playful to
> > > the point where her mouthing turns into a nip. What are
> > > some positive ways to correct this behavior?

> > 1. Redirection to a suitable chew or tug toy with
> > tons'o'praise when he takes it.

THAT will REINFORCE the BAD BEHAVIOR...

> > 2. Time outs (go neutral on him for a few seconds).

THAT will INCREASE anXXXIHOWESNESS, jack.

> > 3. A squealing "Oww" when he nips.

THAT will EXXXCITE the pup and REINFORCE the BAD BEHAVIOR, jack.

> > #1 works well

#1 is "REDIRECTING" and therebye REWARDING the BAD BEHAVIOR...

> > when it quickly follows #2 or #3.

Followed by #2 PUNISHMENT / AVOIDANCE and #3 squealing
and hyper EXXXCITEMENT <{); ~ ) >

IF # 1 worked, THERE'D BE NO NEED for #2, #3,
and The Amazing Puppy Wizard, jackass.

> > Why do you assume that they don't understand?

On accHOWENT of THEY DON'T THINK LIKE HUMANS.

> If he understood the behavior,

Dogs and innocent children are DUMB CRITTERS
who CANNOT UNDERSTAND <{) ; ~ ) >

> he wouldn't do it on a regular basis.

A behavior got NUTHIN to do with UNDERSTANDING
or folks wouldn't smoke and take anti psychotic
medications and shock choke bribe crate and
murder dogs, would they, matty.

>   Corrections, when used, are best used when
>   the dog backslides.

You mean you HURT the dog when your TRAINING FAILS.

> > When they are with their mother, they understand that
> > if they nip her too hard they will be nipped back,

We have abusive dog moms JUST LIKE HOWE we got
abusive human dogs. Dogs LEARN to abuse their
puppys by being abused by their human abusers.

LIKE THIS:

sinofabitch writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that
> > he took posts from two different people,

THAT'S A LIE.

> > took pieces of them out of context, cobbled
> > them together, then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

> >and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

> > Which is exactly what he did.

INDEEDY.

> > The actual quote is misleading when taken
> > out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote"
> > is downright meaningless.

>   Here's Jerry's version

>    "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
>     Right Arm  Over The Lab's Shoulder,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>     Her Throat  And Said "GRRRR!" And
>     Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

> Here's yours;

>    "I dropped the leash, threw my
>    right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>    nipped her ear.
>    --Sara Sionnach

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

> > and therefore they learn limits.

You mean they learn FEAR and MISTRUST and
to do likeWIZE to their own get <{); ~ ) >

JUST LIKE HOWE HUMAN MOMMYS and DADDYS DO IT.

> > With humans, they learn that if they nip they will
> > experience the unpleasant--but not painful--sensation
> > of

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE? TRUST? RESPECT? GUIDANCE? GENTLENESS?

> > having their mouth held closed for a moment,
> > and therefore they learn limits.

EITHER THAT, or they learn fear mistrust and rebellion.

> > They also learn to associate the phrase
> > "no bite" with this limit.

On accHOWENT of the METHOD DON'T TRAIN THE DOG NOT TO DO THAT.

> > After a while, you can simply say "no bite"
> > and they will stop the behavior.

INDEED. Works EVERY TIME... till it don't work noMOORE.

> Humans are not dogs,

That so, matty? Does that mean the dog behavior
studies which have been conducted since Descarte
are MEANINGLESS for human behavior?

>  so I don't think it's a good idea to equate a dam
>  nipping to a human hand closing a puppy's mouth.

Well then, you'd be CONtraWIZE to traditional thinkin.

>  Anyway,

You mean anyHOWE, scumbag.

> I'm glad it works with you.

That so? HOWE COME do you suppose she's ASKIN?

> I certainly wouldn't follow that  method,
> especially with a hand-shy dog.

You mean, an abused dog. A dog that might bite
you for messin with it...
> --
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

HOWEDY Lucy,

Got WON last question for you... WHO is
that 0.0001%? Been lookin high an low an
there AIN'T WON, Lucy. NOT WON.

Gen 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt
thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

Gen 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous
within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not
spare the place for the fifty righteous that [are]
therein?

Gen 18:28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the
fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for
[lack of] five? And he said, If I find there forty
and five, I will not destroy [it].

Perhaps you can heelp find WON INNOCENT victim of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's words, Lucy?

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not so send peace, but a sword.

    "For I am come to set a man at variance against
his father, and the daughter against her mother, and
the daughter in law against her mother in law.

    "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.

HOWEDY pauline,

Pauline O'Connell wrote:

> I've been reading many of the posts
>in this ng for a few weeks now -

WELCOME TO The Amazing Puppy Wizard's HUMAN
BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES, pauline. I'm
Jerry HOWE, your trip guide. Please be seated
and feel free to kick off your SHOWES, smoke
'm if you got 'm... make yourself feel like
you was settin right there in your own HOWES.

Care for a chocolate/

> since we got a new puppy.

Oh? You're lookin for The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Forums. They're CLOSED PERMENANTELY, pauline
on accHOWENT Of ALL temperament and behavior
problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING and your
own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
GOT ALL THE INFORMATION you need to pupperly
raise handle and train your dogs kats kids
birdies horses and SP-HOWESES, as you well
know, had you been reading The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Forums, pauline <{): ~ ) >

> He's about 14 weeks old,

Any three week old puppy got all the brains he
needs to HOWEtwit the cunning of the professional
domestic puppy dog trainer or university trained
behaviorist.

> we got him at 8 weeks

Scott & Fuller SEZ the eighth week is a critical
developmental stage and pups SHOULD NOT BE PLACED
or have ANY stressors during that period. The Amazing
Puppy Wizard concurs with Scott & Fuller that SIX weeks
is optimal age to take a puppy from the litter to teach
him HOWE to become a human family pack member.

HOWEver, most ETHICKAL breeders won't let their preciHOWES
puppys go to their new HOWEses till 8 weeks or later,
therebye givin the pups a lot longer to roll in poo poo and
fight for meals and toys with littermates...

> & we're having a really hard time teaching him not to bite US.

MHOWETING is a BONDING behavior, pauline.

> He seems pretty quick to learn everything else,

You mean for a cookie.

>  but the biting remains a problem.

INDEEDY. Have you tried givin him a cookie
every time he bites? Go for it, you got nuthin
else to lose. Then you can begin the diminishing
cookie method, wherebye as your dog works better
you remove his rewards. He'll appreciate that.

> We have tried shreiking at him when he bites us (OWW!),
> we have tried growling at him, we have tried barking at
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> mother, we've tried holding him under his arms, away & down
> from us.

Oh? Have your tried THIS?:

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
Resounding Sound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

*********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

> He'll come right back & bite us.

You gotta lock IT in the box for ten minutes.
It's imperative that you FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS
PRECISELY when applying scientific techniques.

> Does anyone have anymore suggestions.

You mean, like this?:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

          "CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
          Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
          using the stick and no ear pinch," dahl.

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What  does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

 --Mike Dufort
   author of the zero selling book
   "Courteous Canines"

> He doesn't just bite our fingers, he'll jump up &
> bite our calves as we're walking, he bit my neck
> this morning, he's bitten my b o o b, even!

S-HOWENDS like he's havin FUN bonding with you.

You must love him VERY much, just judgin by HOWE
he's SHOWEIN YOU HOWE MUCH HE LOVES YOU!

> We call it his devil state of mind & other times,

Ain't no such thing as the devil, pauline... Talk
like that'll make folks think DIS-EASE is caused
by BAD SPRITS within...

Have you tried this?:

    "BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.c­om> wrote in message
     news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com...
    "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatri...@adelphia.net>
     wrote in message

     Kyle,  FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
     and i often call my little dog the turd, because
     he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
     would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
     matter of personality.

     Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
     step on him once. Seriously.

> he couldn't be more loving.

Ain't they all???

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

>  What are we doing wrong??

S-HOWENDS like you're doin EVERY THING RIGHT,
according to ALL the EXXXPERTS here abHOWETS.

professor SCRUFF SHAKE recommends if you need
further heelp you can ask his partner at UofWI:

P.S.  Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

> Thanks for any help!

You're quite welcome, pauline <{): ~ ) >

> Pauline

"Ned" <komod...@rogers.com
wrote in message news:
fQIg9.25850$561.25...@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

Hi ! Our black lab girl is 3 months old
(she will be 4 months on the 30th).

When we first brought her home she had a
bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including
my 3 year old twins) during playtime.

It drove everyone in the house nuts and it
brought my little girls to tears as you can
imagine.

We tried saying no, and that would just get
her even more excited, so we would yell no
and that would just get her "scared" but still
excited.

In short it just wasn't working.

So we finally did what Jerry has suggested to you.

We used a sound do distract her and we would
immediately praise her.

I have to say that it worked great.

BUT she then moved on to nipping at the feet
LOL silly little thing.

So again, we tried no, and then louder no,
but again it didn't work so we went for the
distraction and praise.

I must say that she is doing great!

I hope that helps. Edyta aka Ned

===================

From: Becky (Becky...@new.rr.com)
Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety
Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST

Try Jerry Howe's training manual and
check out his Doggy Do Right (And
Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A
Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) machine....
it is for this.

Please do not listen to the others in here
that don't like him or his methods, they
have never tried them.... I have and it
works!!!!

I broke my dog from nipping almost 100%
in 1 day and she usually does this SEVERAL
times a day and actually makes my kids bleed!

Try it or contact him! The manual is at the above
website also, and it is free!

Becky

===========

WELCOME TO The Amazing Puppy Wizard's HUMAN BEHAVIOR
RESEARCH LABORATORY, pauline <{): ~ * (  >

HOWEDY h (remove),

H (remove) wrote:

> I would like to thank Diane, Buzzsaw and Lisa for there help

WHAT HEELP, h (remove)? They GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS!

> as for the other idiot

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

> i'll be surprised if they had the inteligence
> to open a tin of dog food.

That's the LAST thing The Amazing Puppy Wizard
would EVER do, h (remove). Would YOU eat that
crap? The Amazing Puppy Wizard feeds HIS dogs
fresh prepared breakfasts at HIS HOWES <{); ~ ) >

> Again thank you gang very helpfull.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!

You mean The Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards And Active Acute Long
Term Chronic MENTAL CASES, h (remove).

> H

HOWEDY Mike,

Mike Cawood, HND BIT wrote:

> Who is about 25% whippet and 75% "other dog"

A dog is a dog, Mike.

>  but very loving

That's the nature of the beast, ain't it, Mike.

> has developed a taste for cowpats,

NO PROBLEMO, Mike. Many of HOWER dog lover's
and EXXXPERTS GOT THE SAME PROBLEM and CAN'T
DO NUTHIN abHOWET it, EXXXCEPT to pick up all
the sh.t in creation or keep their dogs away
from it. These simpletons can't even stop their
dogs from eatin sh.t or rolling in it even when
they got them on leash, on accHOWENT of DOGS ARE
FAST and YOU CAN'T SEE what they can SMELL from
great distances.

> whenever I take her and my other dog Alfie (Staffs
> Bull Terrier and no taste for cowpats) into the
> field for a walk she has to sample the cows' latest
> offerings!

You can EXXXTINGUISH THAT in just a couple of minutes
if you STUDY and FOLLOW PRECISELY the INSTRUCTIONS in
your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual (see link below)

> Regards   Mike.

MEANWHILE, The Amazing Puppy Wizard respectfully
requests you read the following posts so you will
UNDERSTAND HOWE COME the DOG LOVERS whom you've
ASKED FOR HEELP intentionally LIED to you, in order
to DEFEND THEIR ALLEGED RIGHT to HURT INTIMDIDATE
and MURDER innocent dumb critters to satisfy their
fragile defective egos, weak fearful minds, and
compensate for their colossal inferiority complexes.

Your newfHOWEND pals alison and diana aka lush have
been WARNING new posters to NOT BELIEVE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD who REPORT their
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Forums on accHOWENT of HE
EMBARRASSES THEM on accHOWENT of THEY PREFER to HURT
and INTIMDIATE their dogs.

MOST of the posters here are psychopathic dog abusing
lying mental cases and they want you to be right there
in the sh.t with them and pat and the university behaviorists and
professional trainers whom The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED as DOG ABUSERS COWARDS
FRAUDS and LIARS:

HOWEDY pat,

unsurreality_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
> <snip insane crossposting>
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Since this isn't your forum

Would you BET YOUR LIFE on that, pat?

>  and nor are you doing some human behavior research,

Your own posted case histories will be studied by
university students for the next hundred years, pat.

> why do you say that?

On accHOWENT of in SOME circles dog behavior
studies are STILL USED as models for human
psychoclogical therapies, and The Amazing Puppy
Wizard has CURED ALL dog behavior problems...

EXXXTRAPOLATE ON IT FROM THERE, pat.

>  A very simple question...

The Amazing Puppy Wizard can answer ANY question
simply by DOIN THE RESEARCH in the CASE HISTORY
DATA here in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
on Google and other UNMODERATED PUBIC news group
search engines, pat <{): ~ ) >

> can you answer why you say this?

On accHOWENT of if we can CURE DOG BEHAVIOR
PROBLEMS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by doin PRECISELY EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE
of HOWE HOWER university master's degree
programs TEACH, then we got "A Completely
New Model Of Learning" that J.Q. Pubic will
be VERY EAGER to hear abHOWET, pat <{); ~ ) >

IMAGINE HOWE mommys and daddy's ALL OVER The
WHOWEL WILD WORLD will FEEL when they CURE
their preciHOWES little children's HYPERACTIVITY
and LYIN and other behavior PROBLEMS as well as
common childhood DIS-EASES which will NOT OCCUR
under THIS "COMPLETELY NEW MODEL of LEARNING", pat.

>  It's simply another lie.

Fully 90% of veterinary care are idiopathic /
iatrogenic DIS-EASES. Thanks to professor SCRUFF
SHAKE DERMER'S CURE for his little dog Maxie The
Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
Masturbator's chronic irritible BHOWEL / urinary
tract inflmation and bladder stone DIS-EASES as
you've seen in his POSTED CASE HISTORY, we NHOWE
have CLINICAL EVIDENCE which can PROVE on a very
large scale through the veterinary community in
just a matter of WEEKS, that MOST veterinary heelth
DIS-EASES of their chronically ill clientel are
CAUSED BY failure to LEARN this "COMPLETELY NEW
MODEL of LEARNING" in their university training.

Same same for childen, pat, or so it SEEMS, at
least accordin to the pryor behavior studies where
animal research has been used as the basis for
human psychological therapies.

> When you constantly lie,

Naaah. Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily
And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care
Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
<{) ; ~ ) >

> your credibility falls even more.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard AIN'T GOT TO WORRY abHOWET
HIS credibility when HE advises the AVMA that SIMULATING
MASTURBATION for five minutes at nite pryor to beddy bye
AS professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer
LEARNED "the HARD way" will CURE the ocurrence of CHRONIC
DIS-EASES like yeast ear infections and bladder stones cataracts and
periodontal DIS-EASE amongst other DEATHLY
DIS-EASES like cruciate ligament failures and STUFF which comprise 90%
of THEIR BUSINESS, pat.

Of curse, The Amazing Puppy Wizard TEACHES HIS 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Students HOWE to RELAXXX
their dogs using The Amazing Puppy Wizard's NON PHYSCIAL
C-HOWENTER CONditioning aka The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
Surrogate Toy Separation AnXXXIHOWESNESS / Bed Time
Calming / Fear Of Thunder / Car Sickness / Submissive
Urination / Obsessive Compulsiive Masturbation / Chronic
Urinary Tract / Bladder / Irritable BHOWEL / Obsessive
Compulsive Marking / Spraying / Defecating Syndrome
Technique <{); ~ ) >

> AssHowe,

THAT'S abHOWET what The Amazing Puppy Wizard EXXXPECTS
to hear from folks who's NEARLY ENTIRE INCOME is derived
from the FAILURE of university trained behaviorists and
veterinarians to KNOW HOWE to do likeWIZE, and will SAY
and DO ANY THING TO REPRESS SUCH "NEW MODELS OF LEARNING"
soley PROTECT THEIR INCOME and UNIVERSITY CAREERS, pat.

We're talkin BIG BUCKS here abHOWETS, pat.

> Try saying the truth sometime,

INDEEDY? Care to hear HOWE The Amazing Puppy
Wizard does likeWIZE, AUTOMAGICKALLY, on ALL
critters from up to five hundred feet away, pat?

> and people may believe you.

AIN'T GOTTA BELIEVE The Amazing Puppy Wizard, pat,
HE'S ONLY HUMAN. All WON got to do is TRY THE METHOD
or TRY The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Doggy Do Right
machine, pat... RIGHT THERE, YOU GOT YOUR PROOF.

NEARLY INSTANTLY and INDEPENDENT of HUMAN INTERVENTION.

Or you can do it BY HAND, like HOWE professor SCRUFF
SHAKE prefers. Dogs ARE SO FORGIVING, ain't they, pat.

>  Maybe.

NOT The Amazing Puppy Wizard, pat. You and professor
SCRUFF SHAKE can go masturbate your dogs, The Amazing
Puppy Wizard SUGGESTS you do it THREE times a day for
best results. Meanwhile The Amazing Puppy Wizard will
continue to PREFER to do the same same by PRAISING
and NOT BRIBING CHOKING and CRATING dogs, pat <{); ~ ) >

> I'll ask again -

There AIN'T NO MOORE QUESTIONS LEFT, pat.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Forums are
CLOSED, having COMPLETED HIS WORK, pat.

Here's your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual:

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Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you
need any additional FREE heelp. There's NO
arbritrary INFORMATION in your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so
study it well and do and follow ALL the
EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a
PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET 100%
CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS for all
handlers and all dogs in all fields or
utilities and behaviors all over the Whole
Wild World <{) ; ~ )  >

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
              PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                 INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

               You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                      As A KAT Is A KAT;
                    As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                    As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                  As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

         Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
              We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                 And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

        ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

          Jer 21 And unto this people thou shalt say,
          Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I set before
          you The Way Of Life, And The Way Of Death.

          2Ki 19:6 And Isaiah said unto them, Thus
          shall ye say to your master, Thus saith
          the LORD, Be not afraid of the words which
          thou hast heard, with which the servants of
          the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

                 The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >

> you said if you ever lied in here you'd leave.

INDEED.

>   Why haven't you left?

On accHOWENT of The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
gone further than the dog studies and is NHOWE
engaged in human behavior research according
to the MEHOD which HE used to CURE ALL DOG
temperament and behavior problems and 90% of
their DIS-EASES... hence, WELCOME TO The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES <{): ~ ) >

Set DHOWE, RELAXXX. Kick of your SHOWES.

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
tself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

Care for a chocolate?

       The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

Subject: "A Completely New Model Of Learning"?

Naaah. Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student  Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily
And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is
At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies. <{) ; ~ ) >

HOWEDY People!

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH Oxford That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of TheScientific
Management Of Doggies.

LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
>From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.

This is true not just for dogs but all animals.

You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning?  You don't
think it makes sense?

Fine, I guess.

But it makes total sense to me.

And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.

Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole.  This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.

He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?

Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?

And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.

If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it.  Once he learns it, he
learns it.  The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.

With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)

I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.

My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.

I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?

But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!

I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly.  I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!

It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension.  If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.

From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com> -
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400

Subject: Re: Has anyone read . .

Leah:
> I'm curious now.  Are there any of our more
> experienced and educated trainers (Lynn, Diane,
> Janet, Belinda, et al) who have heard of this
> as a viable method?

Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this
case means being indocrinated into a total
misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually
operates.

As I said in my post, everything the experts say
about dogs is wrong.  If the common folklore was
true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all,
ever.  And it not only works, it works better
than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things.

It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look
to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
your dogs.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv...@mindspring.com>

To: <pdd-aspy...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

How does diagnosis shape treatment?

Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.

His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).

Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.

Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.

Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.

You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".

Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.

Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

<snip>

       Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual
       history, and the nature of he disorder.

       Dr. Von

       PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at
       Jerry's work, ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net

           INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL
           George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H.

Several years ago one of my old students telephoned
to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do
Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop
barking.

I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry
Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told
my graduate that I thought the device was worth a
trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood
by turning on Jerry's supersonic device.

After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles
humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy"
sounds which humans cannot hear.

My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so
he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive
and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet
back of his bedroom.

Hot rats! The device worked,

Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the
matter again.

A few months ago I had new neighbors on each
side of my house, four of them, all with noisy
unshuttupable dogs. Argh!

So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence
that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned
Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came
to visit me.

Merlin walked into my office.

Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey
beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately,
and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again
which again became silent.

It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with
dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what
happens to humans in range of the device???

I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began
inquiring among them. One thing became immediately
evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your
neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior.

Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential.

In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End
Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced
me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom
even have Ph.D.s in psychology.

This was not such a delight as it appeared that none
of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus
or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it
seemed as though they knew very little about the laws
of behavior at all!

Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their
major stock in trade.

Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com
you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's
last student.

Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive
dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender
loving care is at the root of the scientific management
of doggies.

Pavlov told us so 100 years ago.

So what are these degreed morons doing punishing
dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If
you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE
RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland
and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS.

Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter
to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior
of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the
animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?);
2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?)
and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is
the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who
is the animal?).

The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight
species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been
conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely
subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises,
and whales."

Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but
he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals,
they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly
and immediately to love and tender loving care.

Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
Who's Who Honoree since 1983

            From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)

        The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

      I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
      years. I have a huge library that covers every system
      of training.

      The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
      Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
      the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
      method yet discovered.

      It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
      a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
      and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
      consistent manner.

      Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
      understand the basis of his system and please follow
      his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
      It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
      descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
      how their solution should be approached.

      One should not pick and choose from among his methods
      based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
      not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
      for not only training a dog but for raising a loving
      companion.

      When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
      you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
      produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

      You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
      with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
      praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
      will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
      Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
      just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
      dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
      seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
      lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

      Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
      praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
      train you dog to respond to your commands.

      What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
      puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
      carry him in response to my recall command-and he
      comes running every time I call no matter where we are
      or what he is doing.

      At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
      his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
      his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

     Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
     scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
     if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
     you.

     Is Jerry a nut?

    It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
    It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon
    their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
    wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
    when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
    or hurting dogs.

    More than that, he knows  that force is not effective
    and that it will certainly  lead to behavior problems;
    sometime problems so severe  that people put their
    dogs down because of those problems.

   I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
   their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
   at our wits' end, haven't we?

   Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
   literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
   respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
   to praise.

  Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
  wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
  You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
  dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
  along with their anxiety.

  Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
  Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
  would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
  success.

  Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

  If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little
  Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin
  (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

"TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com wrote in message
news: a2_Mc.882$Bc1....@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...

       "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines

Classical and operant conditioning is founded in
what is termed "learning theory".

The four rudimentary rules of "learning theory" are:
Something Good can start or be presented, so
behavior increases = Positive Reinforcement (R)

Something Good can end or be taken away, so behavior
decreases = Negative Punishment (P-)

Something Bad can start or be presented, so behavior
decreases = Positive Punishment (P)

Something Bad can end or be taken away, so behavior
increases = Negative Reinforcement (R-)

Proponents of "learning theory" believe that no
learning can take place without reinforcement or
punishment either positive or negative. That is why
they employ treats and force.

"Learning theory" is a flawed concept for
evolutionarily advanced species. Advanced species
learn without any external motivation. They are not
automatons that merely respond to stimuli. Their
evolutionary survival has endowed them with self
motivated learning behavior. Canines, in particular,
are curious, they love to learn and they exhibit
pride in what they have learned. They think-they
figure things out. They can invent games to play.
They can invent behaviors to drive you crazy. They
have emotions-they can be humorous and they can
be vindictive-their feelings can be hurt. They can
suffer terribly if you don't treat them with respect.

They actively seek their environment for new things to
learn. They also learn from watching other animals and
humans and they mimic their behavior (in the scientific
literature this is termed allelomimetic behavior). It is an
insult to the intelligence of dogs and to their owners to
employ operant conditioning (clicker training).

Dogs are not B. F. Skinner robots whose only capacity
to learn stems from the four rules of "learning
theory". Canines deserve treatment and training that
is tailored to their nature. You can literally ruin
your dog if your treatment and training does not
respect their nature.

Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training
Method. It is the only available method, of which I
am aware, that is based upon the true nature of
canines. In his system, praise is not used as a
reinforcement or motivator, i. e., dogs are not asked
to work for praise.

--Larry

      "TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com> wrote in
      message news:

      Planarians are primitive, free-living, flat bodied,
      freshwater creatures. They can be conditioned to
      respond to stimuli, display the ability to master a
      two-choice maze, and can transfer the memory of
      training from one individual to another by feeding a
      ground up planarian to another one.

      It is this primitive level of learning that "Learning Theory"
      and operant conditioning addresses. Operant conditioning
      does not rely upon an animal's ability to think. It operates
      upon a primitive (nervous system) level for animals in
      general, regardless of the level of their brain development.

      When you train a dog using clicker training, you are
      training a mindless reaction to your clicker / reinforcement.
      Your dog is not learning an idea-he is learning a conditioned
      reflex. He will perform just like a robot when you give the
      signal-he can't help it.

     It has also been shown that when you later withdraw
     your reinforcement that it will induce stress which will
     lead to behavior problems-often quite severe.

      Learning in humans is conceptual. "Learning theory"
      plays absolutely no part in human learning. Humans
      do not learn through a process of gaining some
      reinforcement or avoiding some pain. They study their
      environment, they form concepts, they learn logic (in
      order to separate truth from falsity) and using
      reasoning they attempt to integrate all of their
      knowledge without contradiction. If humans seem to
      respond to some reinforcement or to avoid some pain,
      it is because they have consciously evaluated the
      various alternatives and have made a reasoned
      choice--that is not a conditioned behavior and
      it is not an application of "Learning Theory".

      Canines are not conceptual animals, but they do
      possess the ability to think. Their thinking powers
      are different both in kind and in degree from humans.
      That is why it is so important to learn their nature
      in order to train them successfully.

      Operant conditioning operates at a primitive, nervous
      system level. It does not take advantage of a dog's
      ability to think-only his ability to be conditioned. The
      act of subverting his nature as a thinking creature causes
      stress and anxiety which can in turn produce behavior
      problems. Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End
      Training Method. It is consonant with the nature of a
      thinking dog. It will not induce stress and anxiety
      and no behavior problems will result. --Larry

Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences
On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer

       Emotional Influences On Behavior

       Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
       adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
       McConville & Kaplan, 1966).

       A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
       CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
       by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
       importance of emotional factors in general health.

       Interview findings of emotional material (recently
       experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
       examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
       cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
       even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
       these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)

       150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
       constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
       childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
       score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
       smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
       CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
       Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
       expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
       residence and is more important than a chronic cough
       or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).

       A ten year observation of all the women who developed
       cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
       they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
       characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
       especially marked with those of an undecided body
       build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
       the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
       may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
       somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
       (Grinker, 1966).

       In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
       with a number of losses or separations and with
       feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
       The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
       hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
       (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
       emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
       frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
       cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
       their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
       Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).

       Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
       behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
       and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
       induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;

       (1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
       SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as collective
       panic and epilepsies;

       (2) organic modifications, including functional
       difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal,
       cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin,
       urinary, and neuro  muscular systems.

       It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
       to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
       the standard six hour school day that I have been able
       to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite
       by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
       "EXECUTIVE  BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY
       TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING
       ULCERS.
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       Instrumental / Classical / Operant / Conditioning
           CC / OC / IC / -P +P / +R -R / S R / R S
              It's ALL The SAME SAME SAME SAME
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George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400

   You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.

I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.

This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals.  Yum!

The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD.  They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.

Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.

A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired.  If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.

Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.

The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.

The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.

They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)

Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.

It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.

One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning.  Pfui!

Even Skinner understood this!

And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.

Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis.  Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source.  "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

            All truth passes through three stages.
                  First, it  is ridiculed.
               Second, it is violently opposed.
         Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                   -Arthur Schopenhauer

            "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
                even tho it's a hopeless task,
                     in this system of things.
                As long as man is ruling man,
             there will be animals (and humans!)
                  abused and neglected. :-(
                   Your student," Juanita.

        "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
                   and minds will follow,"
                       John Wayne.

             The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >
YourConscience - 08 Aug 2005 05:21 GMT
HOWEDY imaqt2nvy2,

> what do you recommend as the safest way to leave a dog in a car,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students train their dogs to stay in their
cars with the windows open and not stick their heads HOWET.

> is it even right?..

HOWE ELSE can your dog protect you when you're
goin abHOWET your business if you can't take
him in, like HOWE alpha sweeny learned when he
got his roof caved in and was HOWEspitalized
with a broken skull on accHOWENT of his k-0
was LOCKED IN THE CAR on accHOWENT of he couldn't
bring IT into the site he was "protecting".

> I don't believe that any pet should be left alone in a car

HOWE is the dog gonna protect your car if
you want to make SHORE it's there when you
retun?

> no matter

Do you approve of dogs BEING in cars?

> what especially in the summer.

If it's too hot in the car you can
ask your dog to lay under it or in
the shade of a tree if you can find
WON. HOWEver, most of HOWER EXXXPERTS
DON'T KNOW HOWE to train their dogs
not to ESCAPE an open window or door
and they CERTAINLY can't train their
dogs to stay in the shade and PROTECT
the car from there.

>  What do you think its like for a dog to
> sit in a car with just a few windows cracked
> if at all.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard got in a taxie
WON day and the rear windows only opened
like three inches and the driver couldn't
take a passenger up front so HE got the
heel HOWETA there and took another ride.

You can't leave a dog in a hot car with
the windows closed up enough to restrain
the dog. HOWEver, you CAN be comfortable
enough with the window open so long as
you're not in direct sun. Don't forget,
parkin the a shady spot can suddenly not
be shady in just a few minutes dependin...

>  No human would like that..

NOT AT ALL. You can train your dog to stick
his head HOWET if he's hot but to bring it
back inside and return to duty if a person
or other critter approaches as per the
INSTRUCTIONS in your own FREE COPY of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{): ~ ) >

> should it be against the law?

Unfortunately there's TOO MANY laws and
not enough INTELLIGENCE. We've got a few
folks right here who've COOKED THEIR DOGS,
like marybeth's daddy (is she still lookin
for a RESCUE dog as a REPLACEMENT for da
da's DEAD PUPPY?).  janet boss's elderly
dog COOKED in her own backyard on accHOWENT
of she DIDN'T WANT TO GO into her box inside
with the AC on in 104F heat. matty's dog
nearly cooked in his crate at a agility
trial up in Canada on their first warm days
of the season. matty didn't say if the dog
was in his crate inside the car or not, but
a guess is, he was HOWEtside the car in his
box.

> Is there enough punishment for those who do
> abandon their pets for 5 mins or 5 hours in
> the car?

HOWE COME would you want to PUNISH people
to teach them human decency, imaq2nvy2?

> what are the punishments with the law?

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!! The Amazing Puppy
Wizard doesn't approve of locking dogs in
boxes or restraining them with seat belts
on accHOWENT of they CAN'T PROTECT you if
they're RESTRAINED. Perhaps The Amazing
Puppy Wizard is a ANARCHIST.

Laws are for FOOLS.

So are crates:

From: manad...@aol.comnospam (Manadero)
Date: 05 Oct 2003 20:27:08

Subject: Back from moving and there goes my van too!

On a less positive note, I went by the "old house"
yesterday to pick up a last load of linens and clothes
I'd left and on the way home I was rear ended by a huge
dump/trash type truck (it was a business that cleans up
construction, etc.debris) and I fear that my van was totaled :(

Matt - Here's two thumbs up to my Windstar, because
I and Lacy were largely uninjured despite the severe
damage to the rear end.  Lacy was thrown into the
windshield (not good) but I'm actually glad she wasn't
back where I usually crate the dogs (cleared for the
move) as the cargo area was compromised (the only hard
thing I had back there were some sizable steel Tonka
trucks belonging to the boys - they were considerably
bent) and the area was peppered with window shrapnel
(I even have glass in the front floorboards) :(

Not even sure how I would have gotten her out without
the jaws of life, since there would have been no way
to access the crates except from the rear....and that
was completely crushed.  On the up side, we went straight
to the ER clinic who pronounced her unscathed and they
gave her rimadyl (I know) for a few days to help with
any subsequent bruising that might occur.

> Any reponse would be appreciated

WE GOT A LOTTA FOOLS HERE abHOWETS, imaq.

> Thanks

You're welcome.
Kim - 08 Aug 2005 08:37 GMT
> what do you recommend as the safest way to leave a dog in a car, is it
> even right?.. I don't believe that any pet should be left alone in a
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>
> Thanks

It should be against the law in hot weather but in cooler weather if windows
are slightly down i dont see a problem if the dog is happy to be in  the
car.  Each dog varies some look stressed out and then its wrong to leave
them alone in the car for any amount of time.

However, plenty of dogs really enjoy being in the car and I dont see a
problem in cooler times with leaving your dog in the car for 15 minutes if
you leave the windows down slightly.
My retriever loves the car and is more then happy to curl up on the back
seat if I have to stop in at the shop on the way home, its never longer then
10 - 15 minutes and I never would leave her in the car if it was hot.

Kim
Hillary Israeli - 08 Aug 2005 21:11 GMT
*even right?.. I don't believe that any pet should be left alone in a
*car no matter what especially in the summer.  What do you think its
*like for a dog to sit in a car with just a few windows cracked if at
*all.  No human would like that..
*
*should it be against the law?

It is against the law in some circumstances, I know that much. I once
treated a GSD for heat stroke secondary to being left in a parked vehicle;
the person who left him there was tried for criminal animal abuse. I know
he was found guilty (he pled guilty).

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Suja - 09 Aug 2005 16:47 GMT
> should it be against the law?

I guess that depends.  I believe that it is unsafe for a dog to be in a
car if the outside temperature is higher than 70 degrees, as a car
parked in sun gets considerably hotter on the inside.  In the cooler
months, there is no such threat.

My dogs LOVE car rides, and go with me everywhere in fall/winter/spring.
 Personally, I believe that they'd rather sit in a car waiting for me
to run errands than sit at home.  This also allows me the opportunity to
take them places, and keep up their socialization.  This is one of the
ways we have discovered good places to go for walks.

Suja
Ebbtide - 09 Aug 2005 16:52 GMT
My dog loves the car as well. I always take her when it is cool
enough,however we live in FL so in the heat I'd rather her be lonely than
cooking. It's just common sense, if only more folks had it, huh? I see it
far too much in the heat, it really upsets me. A few years back  in our town
the K-9 force was called to a home, left the Lab in the car with the a/c
running, the call was quite long, the a/c quit and the Lab died in the
police car from heat stroke.That poor officer, what a terrible thing for him
losing his best friend and partner, a very sad story. Sometimes life is a
bitch.

>> should it be against the law?
>
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>
> Suja
MarAzul - 09 Aug 2005 18:19 GMT
> My dog loves the car as well. I always take her when it is cool
> enough,however we live in FL so in the heat I'd rather her be lonely than
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> him losing his best friend and partner, a very sad story. Sometimes life
> is a bitch.

Here in Las Vegas the K-9 units have just upgraded all of their vehicles
with that exact situation in mind. If for any reason the car turns off
and/or the A/C dies, an alarm sounds, and all of the windows roll down so
there is air circulation til the officer can get back. Apparently the mod is
around $900 per car, which is well worth it, IMO.

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Ebbtide - 09 Aug 2005 18:32 GMT
>> My dog loves the car as well. I always take her when it is cool
>> enough,however we live in FL so in the heat I'd rather her be lonely than
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> there is air circulation til the officer can get back. Apparently the mod
> is around $900 per car, which is well worth it, IMO.

That is good to hear, I have no idea if that is the case here in FL. I think
it should be mandatory if it is available.
Brigitte - 11 Aug 2005 14:35 GMT
> what do you recommend as the safest way to leave a dog in a car, is it
> even right?.. I don't believe that any pet should be left alone in a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Thanks

Generally I'm against leaving animals in cars.  But I recently had to leave
my animals, 4 dogs and 2 cats, in my car, alone, several times, but only for
a few minutes, 10 minutes maximum, each time.  I only did it because I had
no other choice.

All animals were crated and all windows were opened and they all had plenty
of water.

If it had been illegal, and maybe it already is, I don't know what I would
have done.

Brigitte
 
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