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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory@HushMail.Com - 23 Sep 2005 00:31 GMT HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,
T...@dog-play.com wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2005 13:39:10 -0700 buzzsaw <t-tye@comcast.net> whittled these words: > > I have now read two different views on approaching > > your dog and giving affection and having a dog come > > to you asking for affection.
> Either or neither can be right depending > upon (1) you and (2) the dog. You mean you got NO ANSWER.
> Don't get too wrapped up in that stuff. You mean, the SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR?
> When I got my Oso Your last three dogs DIED of STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, Master Of Deception blankman.
> I didn't know why I objected to some of the things he did, That's EZ! You're a IDIOT and a LIAR and DOG ABUSER.
> I just knew they "felt" different from what my > other dog was doing. Your OTHER dog was DYIN of STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >
> Behavior can be a very subtle thing, You mean YOU GOT NO ANSWER.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement," Pavlov.
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior."
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
> which is why good trainers/behaviorists > insist on SEEING what is going on That's a load of crap. Your "GOOD TRAINERS/BEHAVIORISTS" don't know the SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR. They gotta "SEE what's goin on" SO THEY CAN SELL "DOG TRAINING" LESSONS, you freakin NETWORKING blowhard.
> rather than relying on owner reports. I don't have NO PROBLEM "diagnosing" behavior problems based on the owner's written REPORT.
> Absent someone SEEING what is going on the rules are simple. That SEZ the "GOOD TRAINERS/BEHAVIORISTS" DON'T KNOW the SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR, Master Of Deception blankman.
> If you are doing something because you WANT to then fine, You mean based on your "GOOD TRAINERS/BEHAVIORISTS" mistaken blowhard SALES PITCH advice, Master Of Deception blankman?
> if you are doing something to avoid or cater > to what the dog is DEMANDING not fine. OF CURSE we wouldn't wanna "CATER" to our dogs to MAKE THEM HAPPY. WOULD WE, Master Of Deception blankman. Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME your last three dogs DIED of STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >
> Allow behavior you want to continue, don't > allow behavior you want to stop. THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR OWN DOGS DIED FROM STRESS.
> People come up with all kinds of theories to explain things. You mean THERE AIN'T NO SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR, Master Of Deception blankman???
> Dogs differ from one another just as people do. BUT THE SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR NEVER VARIES, Master Of Deception blankman, (CITE WEDTM):
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs, ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual," The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
> Their motives differ. THAT'S INSANE.
ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment Which We Create For Them.
> What rewards them differs. REWARDS DON'T WORK, Master Of Deception blankman:
"The IMBECILITY of some ofthe claims for operant technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment procedure developing imitative speech in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty- six days the boys are reported to have been learning new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning immediately deteriorated."
> Their temperaments differ. Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
> Their concern about social relationships differ. You Get The Critter You Trained
A Dog Is A Dog As A Kat Is A Kat As A Birdie Is A Birdie As A Child Is A Child As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES. As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer
> What is perfectly right for one dog > is perfectly wrong for another. That's a load of self serving CRAP:
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
> Keep it simple. "Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement." Pavlov.
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior. "All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
> Pay attention to your attitude, and your dog's attitude. In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
> There is no better guide to whether something > is working or not. You mean EXXXPERIMENT, Master Of Deception blankman?:
Here's the crux of the PROBLEM for ALL trainers EXCEPT those who use my precise scientifically sound methods, as taught by university trained ethologists:
"Whether we choose ot use positive, negative, or a mix of reinforcements, we must be sure that our buddy on the other end of the leash can identify the specific behavior for which he is being rewarded or corrected." "Smart Trainers -- Brilliant Dogs" by Janet Lewis.
You CANNOT "MIX" PAIN FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION "METHODS" with PRAISE and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST and RESPECT and maintain CONSISTENCY. Inconsistency is the BANE of the Scientific Method and is responsible for ALL temperament and behavior problems in children and dogs.
> All the rest of the information is just > opening up your mind to possibilities. You mean THERE AIN'T NO SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR?
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com> Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually live with and train dogs to do useful things if you excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand the personal history of the particular animal, and the history of this animal's species and group, the developmental history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking, you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond, say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator, Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g., an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant" because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that follows the response that influences whether the response is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well without the operant language, and only pettifogging university professors ought to worry about what kind of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com) The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you will become the center of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would carry him in response to my recall command-and he comes running every time I call no matter where we are or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you force him then his natural response is to oppose you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems; sometime problems so severe that people put their dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End Training Method as a scientific principle just as you would the law of gravity and you will have astounding success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
> -- > Diane Blackman > There is no moral victory in proclaiming > to abhor violence while preaching with > violent words. You're a FRAUD a LIAR a DOG ABUSER a COWARD and MENTAL CASE:
My friend The Master wrote:
> Dianne, > Praise is not punishment or, as you and other Skinnerites > like to call it, a "punisher". It is non-aversive, unless > the dog has been counter-conditioned. It works in the example > I have cited because the dog is looking to connect to the > piece of food, and the praise makes him feel connected to me. > > If I want him to drop something, I can say out, drop it, > leave it, or no, and he'll respond. If I want to tell him > it's okay to pick something up, I say okay or fine. My > point in making this post is that people don't understand > no, and they don't understand praise. Your reply, though a > technically brilliant explication of the Skinnerian party > line, indicates that most behaviorists have an incomplete > grasp of canine behavior and training. > -- > "NATURE IS NEVER WRONG" > --Rousseau My Student Amanda wrote: "Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them... and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com> Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually live with and train dogs to do useful things if you excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand the personal history of the particular animal, and the history of this animal's species and group, the developmental history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking, you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond, say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator, Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g., an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant" because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that follows the response that influences whether the response is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well without the operant language, and only pettifogging university professors ought to worry about what kind of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca) Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard? Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. > > Mike > > Ok Mike which part worked for you? It helped clear problems from my dogs in the field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't know where people get that Jerry copied others work as I have NEVER come across his methods before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same problems as the other didn't need correcting for some of his habits after I cleared it from the first dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party trainer as they were not performing well. The VAST majority of working dog trainers are agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I was at my "Whits End" then someone I new turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual and all have had great results. Starting puppies out on the distraction technique is especially good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
Dr. George VonHilsheimer writes in "Is there a SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR?":
"Valette 1966 is a complete trivialization of scientific findings. It overstates the case for reinforcement theory. No careful researcher would contend that operant techniques CAN ANY THING MORE than modify SHORT TERM BEHAVIOR in a highly controlled and limited environment with a large number of skillful experimenters. Certainly the most elaborate studies have shown that the withdrawal or temprary inefficiency of the reward system is immediately followed by CESSATION of the programmed behavior.
In fortunate contrast to this depressing paper is the research reported by Whelan (1966) who makes the simple but profHOWEND caveat that "It is only through CORRECT, EFFICIENT APPLICATION (of operant principles) that children's behavor can be changed to the extent that they can subsequently contribute to the REAL WORLD in which they live.
Whelan illustrates the simple nature or the learning process by referring to Ferster's engaging study of two three year old chimpanzees taught mathematics through simple procedures. Whelan carries this EVIDENCE a step futher by pointing HOWET it's applicability to disturbed children.
If chimpanzees CAN LEARN mathematics through step by step learning AT THEIR OWN PACE, reinforced primarily by CORRECT ANSWERS rather than with "fruit loops and rasins", we can assume that even developmentally RETARDED or CONfHOWENDED children CAN LEARN as well.
Moreover, Whelan makes the EXXXTREMELY important point that while most teachers assume that learning takes place verbally, primarily it is a non verbal process..
Unfortunately Whelan limits himself to the problem that "teachers must not only modify or remove specific deviant behaviors, but must also develop socially acceptable behavior patterns in the classroom and classroom conditioned goals, NOT LEARNING.
Other researchers have emphasized the importance ofadult behaviors in conditioning classroom behavior. An EXXXCELLENT review of this researchshowd that tantrum behavior, excessive crawling and dependency, isolated play, passivity, spelling failure, and other problem behaviors can be managed by altering habitual adult responses to children (Harris, Wolf and Baer, 1964) .
Such RESEARCH holds GREATER PROMISE in that alteration of the conditioning social environment seems to provide more STABLE and LASTING CHANGES than "M and M's". Moreover, a great deal of work has been done developing EFFECTIVE techniques of behavior modificaton through the conditioning social environment of peers (Hartup, 1964). These directions would seem more PRODUCTIVE than a simple minded trainslation of the Skinner cage to the classroom.
Skinner (1963) pointed HOWET that operant techniques can "be utilized fully ONLY IF we REDEFINE the GOALS of education and the CONDITIONS in the educational environment under which those goals may be reached... (through) a DIFFERENT KIND of educational research which is much more closely concerned with the immediate dimensions of the student's behavior than with gross changes such as IMPROVED PERFORMANCES."
UNFORTUNATELY, neither Skinner nor ANY OTHER learning theorist has provided us with a working model of a school or research enterprise based on systemic and thorough-going APPLICATION of LEARNING PRINCIPLES.
Skinner (1948, 1953) approaches a definition of the philosophical issues involved, and provides an utopian model of a school, but generally psychologists seem STUCK at a level of MANAGEMENT of an aggressively disturbing child in the classroom, through peer approval, or the aplication of accelerating CONsequences in the classroom, or scientifically S-HOWENDING tactics like "TIME HOWET" (which we used to know more simply as "sendin the kid to the cloakroom").
Hobbs (op. cit.) claims that the classroom is a natural environement for the child. Thelen (1965) contends that "classroom practices are UNnatural, UNreasonable, and 'against NATURE.' ". This would seem the central issue for the philosophy of education. Mere trivial application of research findings to an institution essentially unchanged from Sumerian academies (Kramer, 1962) will NOT create useful teaching for human beings.
It seems relevant to ask EXXXACTLY WHAT do we know abHOWT the learning situation in which HOWER children find themselves, and why, in the light of HOWER knowledge, do we do any of the things that schools do?"
We know that there is little agreement among adults as to what it is they are SUPPOSED to be DOING, what something to do could be that MIGHT be EFFECTVE, and what it IS that other people who have authority over children ought to be doing (Mc- Eachern and Taylor, 1967). Wherefor the child's CONfusiHOWEN?
It is NO WONDER hat the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965). A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966).
Probably the most absurd figure in Amaerican mass media is the TEACHER (Gerbner, 1966). HOWE can we EXXXPECT children to LEARN responsible P-HOWER from models of IMPOTENCE? We KNOW that LEARNING a complex ritualized social role, is facilitated by observation of an INTELLIGIBLE MODEL much more effectively than by trial and error with REINFORCEMENT.
Roles which are relatively arbitrary and senseless are the most difficult to learn (Luchins, 1966). Do we make ANY EFFORT as teachers to CORRECT the massive impact of media?
HOWE can the ARBITRARINESS and SENSELESSNESS of IMPOTENT ADULT MODELS be redeemed by anything short of RELEVANCE and COMMITMENT?
As an engaging final comment on the PROFESSION let me mention the little study by Dittman et al (1965) tha when 15 psychotherapists and 9 professional dancers evaluated facial and bodily expressons for effect the dancers ere much MOORE accurate. Need we say MOORE abHOWET the training of therapists?
THE OPERANT FALLACY
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement model" proposed by Skinner (1963) ar no more well established in research than the various dynamic therapists. Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed systems for elarning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers.
The 190 studies annotated by Schramm (1964) when inspected display NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES in SUCCESS among approaches and modifications. Programmed instruction is no worse than conventional instruction, and takes less time, but time reductions in conventional instruction has frequently been shown possible without detrimental effects. If you draw your controls cagily you can always show the superiority of your PET technique.
Moore and Smit (1964) compared variations on programmed materials, machines, texts, written responses, merely reading, free response, multiple choice, and iving or not giving the students results. There were NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES despite Skinner's insistence on the importance of the CONTINGENCY of REINFORCEMENT. Carpenter and Greenhill (1963) could find NO DIFFERENCE in RESULTS even after eliminating the self-pacing feature by presenting the materials by TV or Video.
Krumboltz and Kiesler (1965) reported that a two month follow up test showed NO DIFFERENCE between students given a variety of reinforcement schedules. Mayo and Longo (1966) report that naval and marine trainees saved 30% of time in learning electronics fundamentals through a programed course witrh superior scores on one measure but not on another, and with no follow-up reported.
The same authors reported a reductionj from 26 HOWERS to 19 HOWERS in instruction time through the use of program with NO DIFFERENCE in test scores, except that as longer blocks of materiallearned through programmed means were tesed the scores DECREASED.
When the control instruction is manipulated an entirely DIFFERENT picture emerges Jacobs and Kulkarni (1966) assignedstudents in three different schools to classes with standard programmed material giving immediate knowledge of results to classes without results and to classes with the order of sections of the program inverted.
In two schools the groups without knowledge of results and the groups with inverted material SCORED HIGHER. In one school there was NO DIFFERENCE. So much for THEORY. Reid and Taylor (1965) presented a linear program on paper-making to 60 paid undergrads with a 12 week follow up test. The group which merely read learned the same material in 154 minutes to 243 minutes for the group given responses- a REVERSAL of the usual BIASED RESULTS based on POOR CON-TROLLS. There were no differences on post tests.
Spagnoli (1965) reports on a study exposing the control and programed group to the same material in a concentrated effort over a limited period of time. There were NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES.
Sassenrath and Garverick (1965) gave 4 matched groups of 120 students four procedures: 1) looking up the wrong answers, 2) having questions discussed by the instructors, 3) checking answers from correct ones on the board, and 4) no feedback. The discussion method proved best.
Finally, in studying means of training men to perform a 72 action prcedure on Nike-Hercules equipment, Cox and Boren (1965) demonstrated that the time required to learn the procedure to critterion was NO DIFFERENT when the actions were organized into seven operant spans and taught in reverse order, in natural order, or without grouping into operant spans at all.
IT IS CLEAR that as comparisons became more sophisticated programed instruction and other operant teaching techniquesreveal tehemselves as simply another prestigiHOWES FAD--somewhat better than conventional instruction in saving time, but certainly not providing a better or better organized or more independently useful GRASP of KNOWLEDGE.
The IMBECILITY of some ofthe claims for operant technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment procedure developing imitative speech in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty- six days the boys are reported to have been learning new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning immediately deteriorated.
Despite this, and despite the fact that there was no evidence of cognitive association with the words, the authors leap to the conclusion that the fact that the boys improved in the acquisition of Norwegian words WITHOUT REWARDS while still being given English words WITH REWARDS suggest hat the children may be able to acquire new behaviors on their own.
The need for this study escapes one, particularly in view of the very well established fact that schizophrenics condition quite readily (Mednick, 1958)
One can see the "SCIENTIFIC" PRECISION by which the authors drop contingent reinforcements thus PROVING that the parrot behavior was indeed caused by the schedule and NOT by some other mystical force.
The use of Norwegian to demonstrate learning that could not even remotely be related to previous history is a grotesquery too bizarre to be credited. Who could possibly doubt that this useless and probably damaging trained seal routine depended on the psychologist's antics?
What on earth led them to believe that a schizophrenic needs even more other-focused responsiveness?
Lovaas et al (1965) reportedthree programs carried out on five year old autistic twins conditioining them to "social behavior" and to eliminate pathologial behaviors such as self-stimulation and tantrums.
Affectionate and other social behaviors toward adults increaseed after adults had been associated with shock reduction. The routine for this treatment brings immediate relief to mind Sawrey and Wesz (1956) routine for producing ulcers in monkeys.
I suppose it is USELESS to speculate on the source of SO CALLED THERAPISTS willingness to experiment on human beings with procedures for which there is sound experimentally established WARNINGS. If the "double blind" theory of the origin of schizophrenia (Bateson, 1956) is at all valid, HOWE DEVASTATING the experience must ULTIMATELY BE.
Do Lovaas et al REALLY BELIEVE the schizophrenic has no cognitive processes and DOES NOT KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHOCK? Greger (1965) criticized this study on the basis that trainsfer CANNOT be generalized.
That issue can be answered by experience, and, of curse, the "social" behavior of these children deteriorates as soon as the psychologists LOOSE INTEREST.
The IMPORTANT ISSUE for a SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR is why not attempt those things which are KNOWN to WORK at least in some cases if only for control puporses.
Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic children improved enough to go to school without "anything that is regarded as good psychotherapy or as psychotherapy at all..."
Autistic children have been known to become permenantely social by deinstitutionalization, BY REMOVAL from the parents, BY RADICAL CHANGES in other environments, and by MASSIVE DOSAGE of TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE DESPITE THE REJECTION OF THE CHILD.
My case, Larry, (vonHilsheimer, 1965b), demonstrates a recovery by using the mother as an autistic boy's teacher in an open millieu. It is curiHOWES that the operant technicians provide as few, and as UNIMAGINITAVE controls for thier "research" as the Freudians.
REWARD / PUNISHMENT
Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not received is experienced as a punishment and can produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966).
MIMICRY, PLAY, EXPLORATION AND THE NEED FOR DATA
Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY through OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than by trial and error with reinforcemet (Luchins,). Observers of subjects making a first trial of a multiple choice bolt head maze made fewer errors than the practiced subjects in the second run, while subjects who have been shocked for error on a first trial made more errors than either (Rosenbaum & Hewitt, 1966). Students will modify their beliefs more when rewarded for the way in which they carried out arguing for a disagreeable position (role reward), than when rewarded for the content of the argument (Wallace, 1966). ======================
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer
Emotional Influences On Behavior
Illness is directly related to depression and lack of adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens, McConville & Kaplan, 1966).
A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous importance of emotional factors in general health.
Interview findings of emotional material (recently experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free even though psychological tests failed to discriminate these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)
150 lung cancer patients showed significantly constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores. Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional expression is as highly related to cancer as urban residence and is more important than a chronic cough or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).
A ten year observation of all the women who developed cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities characterized by melancholy and extraversion, especially marked with those of an undecided body build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer may result from what appears to be a failure to grow-- somatically, behaviorally and psychologically (Grinker, 1966).
In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated with a number of losses or separations and with feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness. The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and hopelessness of running out of psychological resources (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin, Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).
Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups; (1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as collective panic and epilepsies;
(2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro muscular systems.
It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING, to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of the standard six hour school day that I have been able to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of "EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING ULCERS.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita.
Jerry Howe, Director of Research, Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory, BIOSOUND Scientific, Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Pawman - 24 Sep 2005 00:19 GMT I'm still waiting Jerry...... and just in case you missed my previous post that you have not been brave enough to acknowledge.....
Posted 21 Sep 05 Jerry Your last post was full of the usual accusations directed at me, so far
you have accused me (a SGT Police Dog Handler with 26 yrs experience in
the Royal Australian Air Force) of;
Lying, Deception, Criminal Misconduct, Dog Abuse/ animal cruelty, Murder, Fraud, Missappropriation of government funds, and the list goes on.
Some of these offences are criminal offences and if found guilty the perpetrator could receive serious prison time.
So what are you going to do about it Jerry. Any normal person who could prove those things about a person is legally and morally bound to
act upon that information. And if you are aware of these things happening and you fail to act upon that information then you too are guilty of a criminal offence, both in Australia and in the US.
So are you just going to threaten to inform the authorities or are you actually going to do what any normal, sane balanced human being would do and act upon these so called facts.
What I'm saying to you Jerry (in case you don't understand) is that if you want to prove that everything you have said is right and that the accusations you have made about me are valid then all you have to do is
be a man of your word and follow through on your threats to 'tell the authorities'.
Hell Jerry I am pleading with you to do it. If you think you can prove
even just one of the criminal accusations you have made against me then
you have my permission to do what all the normal people on this list would consider the right thing.......
However if you do not follow through with your threats to 'bring me to justice'.,,, then at least the readers of this list will know that;
1. You are indeed the piss wizard who is all talk and no action,
2. When you accuse people of being so called dog abusers that you are too gutless to do anything about them, which would make you complicit with them, or worse then them because you are allowing it to continue.
3. That you are unable to back up a single claim you make.... although
you attempt to convince people that you have conclusive proof.
4. That if you are unable to follow through with your threats and proove your accusations, then people will see that you are a fraud.
If however you do follow through with your threats and manage to make your complaints then that will be a win/win situation for me because that will achieve exactly the same result. I have nothing to lose because I have nothing to hide, because nothing you say has any credibility or factual basis.... maybe in your head it does, maybe on this list you can convince non-professionals that that your fantasy world is real.....
So now it's all up to you Jerry....
1. Are you going to dodge the issue and start coming up with pathetic excuses why you can't do what you said you could do?
2. Are you going to try and back off gracefully by saying that that you have already discredited me? (a cop out for sure) (My moneys on this one folks :) But even doing that would show that you did not do what you said you could do.
3. Are you a man or are you (as we all suspect) full of sh.t?
So don't avoid this Jerry... size this opportunity that I am handing you on a silver platter.... to walk away now would completely destroy your credibility with all the list readers.
If you do make a complaint, which I sincerely hope you do, I will know about it within 5 working days of that complaint hitting Australia.
So come on Jerry, take this opportunity to prove yourself and to discredit me. I dare you, I double dare you. Please Jerry do it.
Show all the people on this list what sort of amn you really are. Show
them you are a man of principle and that when you make an accusation that it is factually based and legally provable. Show them that when you accuse someone of being a dog abuser, a murderer, a fraud that you can actually prove what you are saying. Show them you are a decent human being who takes morally correct actions to correct injustices,...
and not just a lying piece of sh.t.
The balls in your court Jerry......
Grant waits to see what pathetic excuses Jerry makes up to fail to act.
Watch this space folks.... you are about to see Jerry dodge and weave and make all the excuses he can think of to avoid showing himself up for what he truly is.
Regards, Grant 'The Paw Man' Teeboon Police Dog Handler - RAAF 26 yrs service ICQ# 12854070
Sionnach - 24 Sep 2005 02:56 GMT > Watch this space folks.... you are about to see Jerry dodge and weave > and make all the excuses he can think of to avoid showing himself up > for what he truly is. Yawn. Sorry, but we've all had him killfiled for so long all we see is you talking to yourself... which is what you're doing anyway. Trying to actually converse with him is like trying to carry on a converstation with your local raving nutter who stands on the street corner shouting at the air - and equally as useless.
PrettierInPink@MuchoMail.Com - 24 Sep 2005 04:04 GMT HOWEDY sinofabitch,
> > Watch this space folks.... you are about to see Jerry dodge and weave > > and make all the excuses he can think of to avoid showing himself up > > for what he truly is. > > Yawn. Sorry, but we've all had him killfiled for so long Seems I'm the ONLY topic other than defending shocknig choking and murdering dogs, and DENYING your own written words, sinofabitch.
> all we see is you talking to yourself... grant is havin a PSYCHOTIC reaction. That's NORMAL.
> which is what you're doing anyway. You're doin the same thing.
> Trying to actually converse with him is like trying to It's like you trying to Train a dog WITHOUT HURTIN him.
> carry on a converstation with your local raving nutter "The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context".
> who stands on the street corner shouting at the air > - and equally as useless. "The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
sinofabitch writes:
> >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took > >> posts from two different people, Of curse THAT'S a lie.
> >> took pieces of them out of context, Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> >> cobbled them together, No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> >> then added his own words: "Neatly," and "Smartly."
> >> and a fake signature. "sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
> >> Which is exactly what he did. INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> >> The actual quote is misleading That so?
> >> when taken out of context, We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> >> and Jerry's faked "quote" The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.
> >> is downright meaningless. Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
> > Here's Jerry's version: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > nipped her ear. > > --Sara Sionnach "The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
> He was next to me and I could see his neck > muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher > > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive > > > dog like a Lab. "The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but > > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9. From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com) Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> >Who said that? I would never do or recommend > >that, and neither would most of the regulars on here. > >Sally Hennessey "The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so. > Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies > across the room! "The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a > 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > very persistant. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is abusive."
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible. His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
Here's professor dermer after gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work. God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer, Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu> To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius and now must applaud your attempts to save animals from painful training procedures. You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should come to their senses and support your valuable work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit charity to fund your important work? Have you thought about holding a press conference so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you try to keep your messages short for most readers may refuse to read a long message even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard. I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com> To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com> Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business" and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson (Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose "The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com) The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you will become the center of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would carry him in response to my recall command-and he comes running every time I call no matter where we are or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you force him then his natural response is to oppose you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems; sometime problems so severe that people put their dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End Training Method as a scientific principle just as you would the law of gravity and you will have astounding success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca) Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard? Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. > > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you? It helped clear problems from my dogs in the field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't know where people get that Jerry copied others work as I have NEVER come across his methods before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same problems as the other didn't need correcting for some of his habits after I cleared it from the first dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party trainer as they were not performing well. The VAST majority of working dog trainers are agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I was at my "Whits End" then someone I new turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual and all have had great results. Starting puppies out on the distraction technique is especially good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them... and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com> Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually live with and train dogs to do useful things if you excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand the personal history of the particular animal, and the history of this animal's species and group, the developmental history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking, you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond, say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator, Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g., an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant" because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that follows the response that influences whether the response is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well without the operant language, and only pettifogging university professors ought to worry about what kind of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com To: <d...@arcane-computing.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below. I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining, humping, hunching, pacing, self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking, spinning, prolonged barking, barking at shadows, overstimulated barking, fighting, bullying other dogs, compulsive digging, compulsive scratching, compulsive chewing, frantic behavior, chasing light, chasing shadow, stealing food, digging in garbage can, loosing house (toilet) training. inappropriate fearfulness aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of the intervening time working with animals (including the human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age. I do not know what started the problem but he came aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone and could play with any dog. He was well socialized ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens Test except he could let me leave him. I had used clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet, trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse. They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get in control using treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would not come when I called him and would run away when I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said I should give up on him and kill him but they would say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog. He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End. I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog- -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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From: Linda Daniel To: Jerry Howe Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would have but many people would have. The world just does not know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans- -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with treats--one really good suggestions was to have people coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac- but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make him less fearful and then he might attack or become more sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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