Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / October 2005

HOWEDY kate,

Surgical sexual mutilations causes fearfullness.

Naaah?:

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: "Erik H. Hofmeister" <hofme...@vetmed.wsu.edu>
Date: 1997/12/18
Subject: Re: clomipramine

On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Jonathan Bowen wrote:

  It's already approved in the US, the trade name being Anafranil.

  Clomipramine is a selective seritonin reuptake inhibitor
which has been used successfully in humans (no references)
and animals (JAVMA vol 205:12, Overall, "Use of Clomipramine
to treat ritualistic stereotypic motor behavior in three dogs")
to treat obsessive compulsive disorder.

It can also be used to treat anxiety-related syndromes
such as separation anxiety, although the existing diazepam
(Valium) therapy for such conditions is still most prevalent
(VCNA: SMP, vol 21:2, Marder, "Psychotropic Drugs and
Behavioral Therapy").

  Absolutely not.  Any behaviorist who simply prescribes a
psychotropic pharmaceutical without persuing other treatment
options shouldn't call themselves a behaviorist.

  The use of psychotropic drugs should be done under the
care of a veterinarian trained (even self-trained) in behavior.

Relatively few veterinarians have such training, unfortunately.
Most vet behaviorists will NOT use psychotropic drugs without
first attempting behavior and environmental modification.

  However, there are some situations which require the application
of drugs to be successful.  Most veterinary behaviorists will use
drugs to give them a toehold from which to work from.

Anxiety is a good example-if an animal is so extremely fearful
you CAN'T do any behavior or environment modification, what can
you do?  Sedate them a little so they're responsive to other
therapy.  Once they've calmed down over the course of treatment,
withdrawal of the drug should be done so that behavioral and
environmental modifications can take place.

  The story is slightly different with obsessive compulsive
disorder and clomipramine.  Until clomipramine came along,
most OCD sufferers were using amitryptaine (also an SSRI)
which really wasn't all that effective.

Combined with diazepam, it sometimes helped, but more often
didn't. Behavior and environmental modification are rarely
likely to help an OCD animal.  I refer you to Overall's
excellent article in JAVMA for some interesting case reports
where behavior and enviornmental modification were tried and
did nothing.

However, with the administration of clomipramine, the animals
improved significantly and were THEN receptale to behavioral
and environmental modification.

  Another problem with clomipramine is the term of usage.
Most of the time it will have to be continued for life (or
until the owners stop treatment) because there's a very high
regression rate if an animal is removed from the drug.

There have been a few cases of an apparent 'cure' having been
achieved with chronic clomipraine administration, but these
are very rare and should be considered the exception rather
than the rule.

  In short, psychotropic drugs absolutely have their place
in veterinary behavior.  The critical issue is understanding
WHEN to use them and HOW to use them.  Drugs should NEVER be
used in PLACE of behavior and environmental modification.

Indeed, the best combination for many behavior disorders is
modification plus a drug.  Indiscrimate use of a psychotropic
drug by a vet shows me that they know drek about behavior.

Go to a vet behavior specialist- we finally have a board
certificaton for them!  (Yay!)

Erik "Rouleaux" Hofmeister
WSU Class '00  and behavior enthusiast

ALL of your critters have had chronic urinary (and other)
infections and thyroid dydfunction are caused by STRESS
from MISHANDLING aka ABUSE. INCLUDING your dog's "blown
knees", are CAUSED BY STRESS.

WELCOME TO The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, kate:

You've got a very rich case history of stress induced
auto immune DIS-EASES aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:20:30 -0500

Subject: Re: Rescue Remedy

The first or second time my vet saw my 'can we say hyper?'
dog, she gave him some Rescue Remedy, letting it work while
she checked one of the cats.  I have to admit I teased her
unmercifully about how 'calm' he was. Not.<g>

I have tried Flower Essences in the water bowl - everyone
turned up their noses and wouldn't drink. I've also made
a couple of flower essences and there is the essence of
the flower there. So while it hasn't worked for me thus
far, I'm not willing to say there's nothing to it.

Peace,

Kate

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:14:24 -0600

Subject: Re: This was a great Ng - thanks

Carey Gregory wrote:

I use Netscape 4.76 and love my filters. Maybe this
will work for 7.0. While you're at alt.med.veterinary,
Go to Edit, Message Filters, and then create your message
filters. I only see the trolls when someone responds to them.

Kate
k...@henrydeeks.com

WELCOME TO The Amazing Puppy Wizard's SYNDROM:

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:18:20 -0600

Subject: Re: Advice on husky with blown knees

The only advice I can offer is to get his thyroid checked.
My dog blew one knee and the surgeon thought it pretty
possible that he'd blow the other.

I asked to have his thyroid  checked and it was borderline
low. He takes thyroid meds now, has lost 15 pounds and the
other knee has held (2 years later.) Glucosamine.chondroitin
has helped as well.

Best wishes!

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:54:40 -0600

Subject: Re: Advice on husky with blown knees

buglady wrote:

Thanks! I never would have thought it then, but
he's back to full tilt boogie. (Throw the ball,
just throw the ball.......)

Kate

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:32:31
Subject: Re: 15 yrs old - now blind

Hi Joan,

The only experience I've had with a yowling cat was a 16
year old who would go into the bathroom and yowl, something
he had never done before.

It turned out he had gone deaf - we
guessed he was trying to hear himself.

Peace,

Kate

That's curiHOWES that you'd think your
kat was SREAMING, talking to hisself...

Newsgroups: alt.cats, alt.pets.cats, alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:05:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Feline Hyperthyroid Questions & Update on h0p and George
(MastCell)

Dee wrote:

Thanks, Dee. I just got the results back and his T4 is normal.
In fact everything is in the normal ranges except for the GGTP
which is low. I'm wondering why just the T4 was tested - I
thought TSH was the better test. His vet is out of town until
Thursday so we saw her associate and her stand is now to wait
until the regular vet gets back.

Frustrating, because I still don't know what's causing
the personality changes (restless) the voracious eating
and the weight loss.

Kate

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:48:17 -0600

Subject: Links for interferon/FeLV

Buglady, can you help me out? My vet called twice
over the holidays, missing me each time. Then I
just had questions, but now my cat has started
vomiting clear liquid (last night a typical cat
amount, this afternoon much more) and I can't find
a good site on interferon side effects and protocols.

I called the vet today and she had already left for
the day so I left a message, but of course I want
info now.

A question I'll ask her is herbs that would be good.
I'm thinking astragalus, red clover and garlic, to
boost the immune system, but I'm unclear if that's
what you want to do with FeLV.

Frustratedly,

kate
k...@henrydeeks.com

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:25:57 -0600

Subject: Do I need a second opinion?

Turns out Ann isn't hyperthyroid and the vet wants
to start her on Interferon for the FeLV today, which
is fine by me. All her blood tests have come back
normal and her symptoms are now diarrhea, not doing
any of the things she likes to do and increased appetite.

The increased appetite is what I don't understand (and
I'm waiting not very patiently from a call from the vet.)

Is that consistant with FeLV? Are there other things
to rule out (besides kidney disease, diabetes, worms)?
Do I need a second opinion?

Chewing my thumbnail,

kate

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:05:03 -0600

Subject: Getting a cat to drink

Any suggestions for getting a cat who probably has
a fast growing lymphoma in the intestinal area to
drink? She's on prednisone which has finally stimulated
her appetite, and she'll lap up gravy but she won't
drink water on her own. I've got a bag of sub-q fluids
here at home, but the fluids seemed to cause terrible
diarrhea before so I've been using a dropper and syringe
to give her water. I want to get her to drink on her
own again.

Peace,

Kate
k...@henrydeeks.com

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 05:39:09 -0500

Subject: Re: feline nasopharyngeal polyp & bulla osteotomy

Heather Fair wrote:

I did see your original post, but as I'm fuzzy about L Boy's (my cat)
details I didn't reply. When no one repled to your next post - well,
here I am. :) I don't remember the actual cost of the surgery, but I
imagine between the 2 surgeries it came to around $1000. (Thanks God
for
credit cards.) I think the first surgery was under $400 but the
specialist was over $600. Sorry to be foggy on the details.

Kate

Newsgroups: alt.cats, alt.pets.cats, alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com> -
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:56:32 -0600

Subject: Re: Feline Hyperthyroid Questions & Update on h0p and George
(MastCell)

Dee wrote:

Yes, I certainly balked at that as well. Best wishes to you both.

Kate

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: kate <kate...@henrydeeks.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:37:54 -0500

Subject: Re: Help! Cat with urinary tract infection (again!!)

My cat has stayed clear of emergency vets for the past
couple of years on a diet of Friskies Special Diet canned
food and Max dry. I used to occassionally give him canned
salmon or sardines, which I now believe was making the
condition worse.

At his last trip to the vet for straining, she recommended
a homeopathic remedy - Cantharis 30C - to give him at the
first sign of straining. I've only needed it once and it
worked.

Good luck!

Kate

HOWEDY Kim,

Kim wrote:

That's SO SAD to hear. My prayers are with you and your dog.

That's curiHOWES:

"Enrofloxacin (Baytril) may lower the seizure threshhold (meaning
that it can facilitate seizures). This is not a problem for normal
animals but fluoroquinolones are best not used in animals with known
seizure disorders.

Retinal damage has been seen in cats when higher doses
(such as might be used to treat a Pseudomonas ear infection)
are used. This reaction is not common even with very high
doses, but there is no way to pedict which cats will react.
Blindness, temporary or permanent, can result.

This reaction has only been reported with enrofloxacin
and not with other fluoroquinolones, as it is theorized
that the biochemical structure of enrofloxacin leads to
especially high concentrations in the feline eye (in other
words, this reaction is theoretically possible with any
fluoroquinolones but enrofloxacin is especially predisposed
to causing this reaction).

SS, 4/7/91)  In mid November, "Stanley" had a minor bout
of gastric upset, which the vet treated with the antibiotic
"Baytril," a Bayer product.

Within 5 days of starting the course of Baytril, Stanley
was found to be suddenly and completely BLIND.  Bayer was
contacted by the attending Vet, who was told that Bayer
was aware of a problem with the Baytril in "certain small
breeds" causing irreparable blindness.

They instructed the owners to have the dog examined by two
different Veterinary Opthamalogists, who have both confirmed
that Stanley is completely 100% blind, his retinas both
complete destroyed and no evidence of other trauma or underlying
illness or hereditary reason for this sudden onset of blindness
except the use of Baytril (no other meds of any kind, including
holistics are being given to this dog)

Bayer is paying for over $1500 worth of Veterinary care and
examination on this dog.  They have issued a warning to
veterinarians on the link between Baytril and sudden onset
blindness, and apparently, they knew of this problem for
nearly a year.

Dr. Nick Busanich, who is  treating Stanley, has found all
kinds of reference to Baytril and blindness on the internet,
and at the recent Veterinary Opthamology conference held in
Chicago last month, which he attended, the topic of Baytril
and blindness was a major discussion.

Bayer is supposed to be issuing veterinary notice regarding
the possibility of blindness in dogs treated with Baytril.
They recommend halving the usual dosage will reduce the risk.
Since Baytril is a common antibiotic used by many breeders
(and often in our medicine cabinets for our dogs) I feel it
is very important to warn breeders of this risk, real or not.

It's not worth taking the risk of using Baytril if there is
any chance of causing your dog to be blind.   There are other
choices in antibiotics besides Baytril.  I had about 12 Baytril
in my first aid kit, and they have been flushed down the toilet
today!"

              ====================

You can quell those SYMPTOMS using the distraction
and praise techniques and PRAISE IN ADVANCE as taught
in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual (find link below).

THAT WILL REINFORCE HER INSECURITY. You MUST rely
on NON PHYSCIAL PRAISE otherWIZE you'll be "coddling"
her anxiety and therbye reinforce it.

What's curiHOWES to The Amazing Puppy WIzard is
that your VET would PRESCRIBE anti biotics and
steroids in the absence of ANY finding of infection
or inflamation.

The SYMPTOMS of circling and "uneasiness" are TYPICAL
of OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER, which CAN CAUSE
"Hysterical Blindness".

The remaining question The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
is do her eyes respond to light, IOW, do her pupils
dilate and contract?

COULD BE your dog got a meningioma pressing
on her optic nerve. OR it COULD BE just another
case of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

In a seemingly non related thread, The
Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: Suzie-Q <s...@htcomp.net>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:10:50 -0600

Subject: Re: Senior Cat Cries

Shanna wrote:

This is getting weird! You're about the third or fourth
person who has posted this exact same thing in the last
year or so. The reason I know this is because I also have
two 17-year old cats that do the same thing. In each case -
I am not making this up - the cats were 17 years old! So I
have paid particular attention to these posts.

I am convinced that my cats are healthy, and can find no
logical reason for their crying. It drives me crazy -
especially when they do it three or four times a night,
whether they're locked out of the bedroom or not.

One of my two teens (Dufus) will stop when I say "shut up!" But
the other one (Bubba) just gets louder! I tried some reverse
psychology recently -- when Bubba started I yelled "Louder!" I
was surprised when he actually stopped yelling! Whatever works!

I have never read any replies to any of these people that
explained their cats' "yowling," and no one has ever posted
a follow up to let us know if there was any problem found
with the cats or if the cats ever stopped their yowling.

Please do let us (me) know if you get any good answers that
aren't posted here.

You can see my two teenagers, and my five other pets (cats &
dogs), on my website. URL is below.

8^)~~~~        Sue

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: hill...@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli)
Date: 8 Feb 2001 21:22:01 GMT

Subject: Re: Senior Cat Cries

In <3A830D17.B14D6...@home.com>,

J Wootton <jwoot...@home.com> wrote:
*Shanna wrote:

*
*> Hi.  My almost 17 yr. old cat, Misty, has just started
*> this thing where she cries for a bit....and it sounds
*> different than she's meowed in the past...it's pretty
*> loud.  She's fine....she plays, eats, and seems in good
*> health.

I'd definitely want to rule out hyperthyroidism, if tha
hasn't already been done. If the cat has a normal physical
exam and normal bloodwork (including T4 and toxoplasma
serology!), it might be "getting senile," or it might have
some other brain disease (meningioma being most common, I
think). If it is just "getting senile," sometimes when the
cat is yowling, wrapping it in a towel and holding it tightly
against you can help. Even then it may take 20 min or so to
calm the cat down, though.

Good luck getting to the root of the matter.

--
       hillary israeli vmd  http://www.hillary.net  i...@hillary.net
               "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."
                   newly minted veterinarian-at-large :)

Some CAUSES of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:

                Punishment Deranges Behavior.
        "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
                        EXCEPT
                  To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

    --Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

Subject: < BEFORE ->  "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
                     No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER ->  "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
           A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
           Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
           Dog Lovers.

          'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
          A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante  dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey  (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."

HOWEDY People,

Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

This is not negative reinforcement.  Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? --  too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD.  Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog?  So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

     From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
  The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull.  She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing.  I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty.  So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people.  she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue..  and doesn't look for a treat.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400

   You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.

I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.

This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals.  Yum!

The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD.  They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.

Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.

A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired.  If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.

Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.

The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.

The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.

They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)

Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.

It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.

One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning.  Pfui!

Even Skinner understood this!

And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.

Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis.  Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source.  "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

       "Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
       news:

       I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
       dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
       I do not know what started the problem but he came
       aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
       snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
       and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
       ad I took him with me everywhere.

       At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
       Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
       clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
       it was not working on his aggression problem.

       I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
       trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
       They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
       and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
       suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
       working as he was becoming more aggressive.

       I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
       away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
       on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
       use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

       I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
       ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
       LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
       University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
       had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
       gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
       have the people stop until he could get in control using
       treats, and work on clicker training.

       At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
       the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
       would not come when I called him and would run away when
       I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
       neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
       hasn't trained her dog"

       I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
       were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
       were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
       said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
       say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
       responsible for him."

       *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
       DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

       As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
       going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
       Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
       Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
       He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
       not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

       The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
       I had been working for 18 months!

       Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
       from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
       I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
       blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
       can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

       I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
       -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
       looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
       on by.

       When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
       me like "you must be out of your mind"

       The results can make a believer!!!

       Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
       Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
       in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

       He just seemed to not notice any one.

       When people talked to him or ask his name he would
       look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

       I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
       enjoy life out in public.

       If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
       was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
       Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
       toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

       My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
       dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
       out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

       I know most people would have given up on him a long time
       ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
       but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

       I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

       ================================

       From: Linda Daniel
       To: Jerry Howe
       Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
       Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

       Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
       to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
       save so many lives.  I know at times I was so frustrated I
       thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
       have but many people would have.  The world just does not
       know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
       solve problems.

       We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
       -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
       you could meet us would be great.  I drive so I would be
       happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

       We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
       right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
       scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
       would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
       to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

       He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
       those on rollerblades!  I have always used a gentle leader
       in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
       grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

       Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
       stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose.  He never
       pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
       a hard time getting him going--at times  I think he could
       smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

       I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

       I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
       walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
       a problem with other people and dogs.

       I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
       to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
       around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
       treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
       coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
       and not move until we backed away-

       - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
       until I get his attention with treats.

       They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
       but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
       him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
       sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
       to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
       heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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