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A Completely New Model Of Learning

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ThePuppyFaerie@AniMail.Net - 25 Nov 2005 00:27 GMT
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
>From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.

This is true not just for dogs but all animals.

You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning?  You don't
think it makes sense?

Fine, I guess.

But it makes total sense to me.

And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.

Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole.  This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.

He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?

Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?

And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.

If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it.  Once he learns it, he
learns it.  The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.

With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)

I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.

My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.

I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?

But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!

I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly.  I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!

It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension.  If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.

From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com> -
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400

Subject: Re: Has anyone read . .

Leah:
> I'm curious now.  Are there any of our more
> experienced and educated trainers (Lynn, Diane,
> Janet, Belinda, et al) who have heard of this
> as a viable method?

Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this
case means being indocrinated into a total
misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually
operates.

As I said in my post, everything the experts say
about dogs is wrong.  If the common folklore was
true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all,
ever.  And it not only works, it works better
than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things.

It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look
to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
your dogs.
MrE - 21 Jan 2006 19:35 GMT
NEW NEW are you having a laugh, we been studying this in Animal Psychology
for years!

> LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
>>From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
[quoted text clipped - 117 lines]
> to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
> your dogs.
It's Only Alimentary, Dear Watson - 22 Jan 2006 04:53 GMT
HOWEDY MrE,

> NEW NEW are you having a laugh,

That so? WHO'S LAUGHIN NHOWE?

> we been studying this in Animal Psychology for years!

CITES PLEASE?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
your university trained behaviorists and CITES
THEM BY NAME and CASE HISTORIES <{) ; ~ )  >

If "we been studying this in Animal Psychology for years!"
you shouldn't have NO PROBLEM CITING YOUR SOURCES.

DO SO and The Amazing Puppy Wizard will DISSAPPEAR
JUST LIKE Mr. Mxyzptlk when Superman TRICKS into sayin
his name backwards <{) ; ~ )  >

NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums UNLESS you wanna TALK
BUSINESS with The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ )  >

TRY THIS:

> > LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
> >>From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
> > a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
> > simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
> > result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.

INDEEDY.  ALL temperament and behavior problems
are CAUSED BY MSHANDLING, that's HOWE COME
they can be EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY
by simply PRAISING "BAD BEHAVIORS".

Most behavior problems are only "negative attention"
getting technuques. THAT'S HOWE COME we can
EXXXTINGUISH MOST "BAD BEHAVIORS" by simply
PRAISING IN ADVANCE <{) ; ~ )  >

> > This is true not just for dogs but all animals.

A mammal brain is a mammal brain. SEZ SO in your
own FREE COPY of The Amaxzing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >

> > You don't believe in the validity of this
> > particular model of learning?

Of curse not. But just the FACT that they DON'T UNDERSTAND
iti is SECONDARY to the FACT that HOWER DOG LOVERS DO
NOT WANT to "NOT PUNISH" "BAD BEHAVIORS". It makes them
FEEL impotent and inferior to their subjects. Punishing "BAD
BEHAVIORS" makes them FEEL P-HOWERFUL and IN CON-TROLL
and  asuages their fragil defective, weak fearful minds and compensates

for their inferiority complexes.  It's part of their sociopathology:

"Neurotics complain of their illness, but they make the most of it, and

when it comes to talking it away from them they will defend it like a
lioness her young," Sigmund Freud

> >  You don't think it makes sense?

Naaaah. These simpletons AIN'T GOT the wherewithall to consider
ANY THING other than their own sensitivities and needs. JUST LOOK
HOWE they THRIVE on their dog's neurotic behavior problems. You'll
NOTICE you DON'T SEE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Trainng
Method Manual Students postin for week after week with the myriad of
BAD BEHAVIORS that MOST EVERY WON of HOWER DOG LOVER do.

You'll SEE in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives on Goodle that ALL
of these abusive mental cases GOT THE SAME "BAD BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
and CHRONIC STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE HEELTH DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{) ; ~  )  >

> > Fine, I guess.

What GUESS??? The Amazing Puppy Wizard was C-HOWENTIN on it
to VERIFY ALL HIS INFORMATION to bring to the media and J.Q. Pubic
to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT the training and behavior industry.

> > But it makes total sense to me.

Of curse. It MAKES SENSE to ANY INTELLIGENT DECENT
HUMAN BEING. Bye the bye, Lee Charles Kelly is a professional
trainer and friend of The Amazing Puppy Wizard. You'll LOVE his
book "No Bad Dogs Only BAD TRAINERS". Ooops! The Amazing
Puppy Wizard FORGOT with whom he was addressin. You'll HATE
his book, it WON'T MAKE SENSE to you <{) ; ~ )  >

> > And it made sense to Pavlov, too,

All these simpletons know abHOWET Pavlov is he made dogs DROOL.
What they DON'T know abHOWET Pavlov is he likeWIZE made their
EYES pinpoint witHOWET shinin a light on them. THAT IS CONDITIONAL
REFLEX.

> > > > though not many people know this.

We got TWO typs of dog abusers. We got the FEAR FORCE
and INTIMDIATION trainers, and we got the BRIBE IGNORE
and AVOID and hurt and intimidation trainers. That's the tools
of their trade.

They DO NOT understand CONDITIONING or behavior modification
or even motivation, for that matter. They THINK motivation is lurin a
dog with a piece of cheese. They'd NEVER PRAISE a dog IN ADVANCE
for a COMMAND, they ONLY UNDERSTAND PUNISHMENT when the
dog FAILS to DO a "command" for lack of PRAISE IN ADVANCE <{) : ~ (  >

> > "Postitive emotions arising in connection
> > with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> > of its pragmatic significance at a given
> > moment, serve as the reinforcement."
> > IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
> > what reinforces any behavior.

HOWER dog lovers CANNOT EVEN UNDERTAND THAT!
They SEE IT but they STILL THINK it meand the dog DOES
the behavior for the EMOTIONALY REWARD of gettin the
cheese. The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ they SEE their
own qualities in their dogs and cater to their own EMOTIONAL
NEEDS for food affection attention and CON-TROLL just like
HOWE their own parents TRAINED THEM by offering and
withholding praise attention UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST
and RESPECT <{) ; ~ )  >

> > Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
> > atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > through that section of the park (an hour before
> > he went) he checked the base of that tree.

We could have EXXXTINGUISHED THAT behavor in
just a couple of instances of PRAISE IN ADVANCE
and FAILING THAT, a BRIEF, ALTERNATELY VARIABLE
NON PHYSICAL DISTRACTION INSTANTLY followed by
PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL PRAISE <{) ; ~  )  >

> > He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
> > saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
> > that?

Of curse. There's sories of dogs bein frightened by the
garbage man JUST WON TIME and being aggressive
to ALL men in uniforms forever. HOWE COME then, do
HOWER EXXXPERT DOG TRAINERS FAIL to be able
to TRAIN THEIR OWN DOGS to do or NOT do a behavor
despite their shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collars?

Well PERHAPS the ANSWER is in Pavloves comments:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior.

> > Especially those of us with dogs whose
> > prey drives are pretty intense?

Lee Charles Kelley relies on DRIVE training. The Amazing
Puppy Wizard relies on PRAISE trainng. The DIFFERENCE
is, Lee's dogs WORK for their INSTINCTIVE DRIVES (greed)
Vs The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs WORKIN for PURE
PLEASURE of mutual unconditional  love trust and respect.

Of curse the EXXXPERTS cannot suss THAT at all, as
they've NEVER LEARNED unconditional love trust and
respect, they ONLY KNOW GREED  FEAR and EGO
satisfaction as TAUGHT by their parents.

> > And there are lots of examples that may not
> > even require the prey drive to be active,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
> > or re-learn the behavior.

So HOWE COME do HOWER EXXXPERTS rely on
constant repetition aka ROTE training when we KNOW
the dog CAN LEARN NEARLY INSTANTLY???

Perhaps again, Pavlov's comments serve us:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior.

> > If something is important to a dog, he'll
> > learn how to do it.  Once he learns it, he
> > learns it.  The trick to getting him to
> > "unlearn" it, is to give him a more
> > emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.

INDEED. Alternatively, we can EXXXTINGUSH
ANY BEHAVIOR NEARLY INSTANTLY using
effective scientific conditioning. THAT'S HOWE
COME HOWER EXXXPERTS always COMPLAIN
that "The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ I DIDN'T
DO IT RIGHT" when THE PROOF SEZ they DIDN'T
FOLLOW the INSTRUTIONS otherWIZE the dog
would be CONDITIONED NEARLY INSTANTLY:

From: "lindalee" <llindaleedan...@msn.com>
Date: 21 Jan 2006 18:34:10 -0800

Subject: Chasing squirrels

I have not posted to the group for awhile but want to share my success
of teaching my dog Sunshine, who has a very high prey drive, to not go
after squirrels when on a walk.  It took a few trials but he can now
walk
right past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.

Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to get his attention when
he saw a squirrel and then praised him and kept on walking past the
squirrel. Where we live in Michigan we lots of squirrels and he was
always
wanting to chase them up a tree.  Jerry's approach of sound and praise
really works.  I think the people who discount his methods have never
tried the method because it works everytine.  Sometimes it takes a
little
practice to get the sound from different directions but I was able to
change
Sunshine's behavior in just a week after we moved back to Michigan.

Sunshine is a very sensitive dog so any physical corrections just won't
work but using sound and praise he is a really great dog who opens
doors, picks up things I drop, and and helps me a lot.  If you have a
behavior problem with your dog get a copy of Jerrry's manual and
solve your problem!

> > With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
> > behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> > indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
> > the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
SEZ "100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL For ALL Dogs And ALL Handlers And
ALL Behaviors. A DOG IS A DOG"  And "For FREE To
Boot" is just to twist the  knife, if ya REALLY wanna
know the truth <{) ; ~  )  >

> > I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
> > separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
> > together and fight constantly.  I was pretty
> > amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
> > her aggression and start to yawn!

IN MOMENTS.

> > It's too early for me to be convinced that it
> > will work every single time with every single
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> > emotional tension, the first behavior will no
> > longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.

INDEEDY. Behaviors that are REPRESED only CHANGE
to OTHER, OFTEN WORSE, SEEMINGLY NON RELATED
behaviors as anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISMS.

> > From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com> -
> > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >> experienced and educated trainers (Lynn,
> >> Diane, Janet, Belinda, et al)

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

They're FRAUDS LIARS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES!!!

> >> who have heard of this as a viable method?

The ONLY place you'll see this is in your own FREE
COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wiz'ard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual:

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> > Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this
> > case means being indocrinated into a total
> > misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually
> > operates.

PRECISELY.

> > As I said in my post, everything the experts say
> > about dogs is wrong.  If the common folklore was
> > true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all,
> > ever.  And it not only works, it works better
> > than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things.

AS PROVEN RIGHT HERE through CASE HISTORY DATA.

> > It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look
> > to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
> > your dogs.

But they HURT INTIMIDATE and BRIBE their dogs, instead.
 
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