Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / December 2005

HOWEDY josh,

Ain't you finished vet school yet?

You mean testicle cancer, josh?

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM? Is that what they taught you in vet school?

That's a load of crap, josh:

"The interval between castration and onset of prostatic
problems was highly variable, suggesting that castration
does not initiate the development of PCA in the dog, but
it does favour tumor progression."

 "COMMENTARY: This article supports previous studies
 showing BPH as the most common prostate disease in
 dogs; that prostate carcinoma is relatively rare; and that
 the prevalence of prostate carcinoma is higher in castrated
 dogs than in intact dogs.

The age of castration had no effect on the age at
which the tumor was diagnosed. Because prostate
carcinoma is so rare in both intact and neutered dogs,
this should not be a deterrent to castration.

 Prostate carcinoma is seen only in dogs older
 than 6 years. When prostate disease is diagnosed
 in castrated dogs, the probability of cancer is very
 high. - David F. Senior, BVSc, Diplomate ACVIM &
 ECVIM"
          ---------------------------

You mean on accHOWENT of surgical sexual mutilation HAS
NO BENEFICIAL EFFECT on behavior and IN FACT CAUSES
PHOBIAS and AGGRESSION, josh.

CITES PLEASE?

Humping is an anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISM
not a result of testosterone or testicles, josh.

THAT'S A TRAINING PROBLEM, josh.

THAT'S ABSURD.

Dogs are INSTINCTIVELY TERRORTORIAL CREATURES, josh.
Neutering dogs got NO EFFECT on "roaming" or ESCAPE behaviors
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, josh.

Perhaps it's YOU who's never been arHOWEND intact males, josh?

That's IRRELEVENT, josh.

ONLY if they're MISHANDLED, josh.

ONLY IF YOU'RE A VETERINARIAN GETTIN PAID TO
SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE INNOCENT
DEFENSELESS DUMB CRITTERS, josh.

To give to YOU, josh?

THAT'S MALARKEY, josh.

Surgically sexually mutilated dogs have a shorter life
span and a greater likelihood for prostate cancer:

"Canine prostate carcinoma: epidemiological
evidence of an increased risk in castrated dogs."

"Neutered bitches lived longest of dogs dying
of all causes, though entire bitches lived longest
of dogs dying of natural causes, with neutered
males having the shortest lifespan in each category."

"Cancer was the most common cause of death in
the groups as a whole, accounting for 44.9% of
deaths of entire males, 34.7% of deaths of neutered
males, 50.2% of deaths of entire females, and 39.6%
of deaths of neutered females."

"The interval between castration and onset of prostatic
problems was highly variable, suggesting that castration
does not initiate the development of PCA in the dog, but
it does favour tumor progression."

 "COMMENTARY: This article supports previous studies
 showing BPH as the most common prostate disease in
 dogs; that prostate carcinoma is relatively rare; and that
 the prevalence of prostate carcinoma is higher in castrated
 dogs than in intact dogs.

The age of castration had no effect on the age at
which the tumor was diagnosed. Because prostate
carcinoma is so rare in both intact and neutered dogs,
this should not be a deterrent to castration.

 Prostate carcinoma is seen only in dogs older
 than 6 years. When prostate disease is diagnosed
 in castrated dogs, the probability of cancer is very
 high. - David F. Senior, BVSc, Diplomate ACVIM &
 ECVIM"
          ---------------------------

You AIN'T gonna be gettin no doGdameneD HEELP from the
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and active acute chronic
long term incurable mental cases and unscrupulHOWES ignorant
veterinary malpracticioners who post here abHOWETS.

J Vet Intern Med 1987 Oct-Dec;1(4):183-7

The influence of castration on the development of prostatic
carcinoma in the dog. 43 cases (1978-1985). Obradovich J,
Walshaw R, Goullaud E

Department of Small Animal Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary
Medicine, Michigan State University, East Lansing 48824.

Prostatic carcinoma (PC) was diagnosed in 43 dogs at the Michigan State
University Veterinary Clinical Center (MSU-VCC) between 1978 and 1985.

Of the 43 dogs with histologically confirmed PC, 19 (44.19%) had been
castrated at least three years prior to the development of any
prostatic
disease. Seven of the castrates had been neutered at less than 12
months of age. Fourteen dogs (32.55%) were presented as intact males
at the time of diagnosis. The remaining ten dogs (23.62%) had been
castrated as treatment for presumptive prostatic disease prior to
referral
to the MSU-VCC. Dates of castration were known in all cases.

In this study, therefore, castration at any age showed no sparing
effect
on the risk of development of PC in the dog. The etiology of PC in the
dog may not be exclusively related to testicular hormones.

Work in humans suggests that the adrenal and pituitary glands play
a significant role in the disease. Preliminary work in dogs supports
that nontesticular androgens exert a significant influence on the
canine
prostate.

Page 416 - The Thyroid Gland

Clinical Findings: Although onset is variable, hypothyroidism is most
common
in dogs 4-10 years old. It usually affects mid-to large-size breeds and
is rare
in toy and miniature breeds. Breeds reported to be predisposed include
the
Golden Retriever, Doberman Pinscher, Irish Setter, Miniature Schnauzer,
Dachshund, Cocker Spaniel, and Airedale Terrier.

There does not appear to be a sex predilection, but the risk of
developing
hypothyroidism appears to be higher in spayed females than in intact
females.

Cardiac tumors in dogs: 1982-1995.
Ware WA, Hopper DL.

J Vet Intern Med 1999 Mar-Apr;13(2):95-103
A Veterinary Medical Database search from 1982 to 1995 identified 1,383
dogs
with tumors of the heart from a total population of 729,265 dogs (0.19%
incidence). Hemangiosarcoma (HSA) was the most common cardiac
tumoridentified.

In the subset of dogs with specific histologic diagnoses, the number
with HSA
was almost 10-fold that of the 2nd most common tumor, aortic body
tumor.
Primary heart tumors were more common than cardiac metastases.

When biologic behavior was noted, most heart tumors were classified as
malignant. Cardiac tumors (excluding lymphoma) occurred most often in
dogs between the ages of 7 and 15 years. In very old dogs (>15 years),
the frequency of cardiac tumors was the same or lower than that of the
youngest age group. Tumors occurred with similar frequency in males
and females, but the relative risk for spayed females was >4 times that

for intact females. For HSA, spayed females had >5 times greater
relative
risk than did intact females.

The risk for castrated males was slightly greater than that for intact
males,
which had 2.4 times the relative risk of intact females. Thus,
neutering
appeared to increase the risk of cardiac tumor in both sexes.

Intact females were least likely to develop a cardiac tumor, whereas
spayed
females were most likely to develop a tumor. Twelve breeds had greater
than
average risk of developing a cardiac tumor, whereas 17 had lower risk.

Influence of Gender and timing of Gonadectomy on risk for appendicular
bone sarcoma in Rottweilers

Cooley DM, Beranek B, Glickman LT, Waters DJ.
Departments of Veterinary Clinical Sciences and Veterinary Pathobiology
Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN 47907

Background: The role of sex hormones in bone sarcomagenesis has not
been
extensively studied. In a previous study using the Veterinary Medical
Database
(VMDB), Ru et al. (Vet J 1998:156??-39) found a significantly increased
risk for
osteosarcoma in castrated males and spayed females compared with
sexually
intact dogs.

However, this VMDB- based study could not evaluate whether age at
neutering significantly influenced osteosarcoma risk. Purpose: To
determine if gender or
lifetime duration of gonadal exposure influences the risk for
appendicular bone
sarcoma in Rottweilers.

Methods: Data were obtained from owners of 746 purebred Rottweilers as
part
of a nationwide, population based study. Each dog owner completed a
questionnaire
regarding gender neuter status, age at spay or castration, bone tumor
occurence,
age at diagnosis, current vital status and age of death.

The incidence of appendicular bone sarcoma per 1000 dog years at risk
was determined for intact males, castrated males, intact females, and
spayed females.
The relative risk (RR) and 95% confidence limit of appendicular bone
sarcoma
was calculated by dividing the incidence rate for each gender-neuter
category
by the incidence rate for intact males (reference category; rr=1.0).
For males and
females, the influence of lifetime exposure to gonadal hormones on bone
sarcoma
was determined by comparison of the incidence of four subgroups
stratified by age
at neutering.

Results: Appendicular bone sarcoma affected 111 of 746 (14.9%)
Rottweilers.
The RR for bone sarcoma was 1.64 for castrated males, 1.36 for spayed
females
and 1.04 for intact females. Females spayed at <1 year of age had a
significantly
increased risk for appendicular bone sarcoma compared with intact
females
(RR=2.21). Similarly, males castrated at <1 year of age had a
significantly increased
risk for bone sarcoma compared with intact males (RR=3.12%)
Conclusions: In this
population-based study, Rottweilers that underwent gonadectomy at <1
year of age
had a significantly increased risk for bone sarcoma.

These observations may be explained by either a direct effect of sex
hormones
on skeletal homeostasis or by indirect effects on body conformation or
physical
 activity.

Alternately, confounding factors unique to dogs that undergo
early spay or castration may account for this association

From: michael <c...@dogtv.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:04:57 GMT

Subject: Re: Neutering & Health (everything our "experts"
                      have preached for YEARS is wrong)

Canine prostate carcinoma: epidemiological evidence of an increased
risk
in castrated dogs.

Teske E, Naan EC, van Dijk EM, Van Garderen E, Schalken JA.

Department of Clinical Sciences of Companion Animals, Utrecht
University, P.O. Box 80.154, 3508 TD, Utrecht, The Netherlands

The present retrospective study investigated the frequency of prostate
carcinoma (PCA) among prostate abnormalities in dogs and determined
whether castration influences the incidence of PCA in dogs. During the
years 1993-1998, 15363 male dogs were admitted to the Utrecht
University
Clinic of Companion Animals, and of these dogs 225 were diagnosed with
prostatic disease. In addition, another 206 male dogs were diagnosed as
having prostatic disease based on cytologic examination of aspiration
biopsies submitted by referring veterinarians. Benign prostatic
hyperplasia was diagnosed in 246 dogs (57.1%), prostatitis in 83 dogs
(19.3%), and PCA in 56 dogs (13%). Dogs with PCA were significantly
older (mean age=9.9 years) than dogs with other prostatic diseases
(mean
age=8.4 years). The Bouvier des Flandres breed had an increased risk
(odds ratio (OR)=8.44; 95% CI 4.38-16.1) of having PCA. Castration
(26/56) increased the risk (OR=4.34; 95% CI 2.48-7.62) of PCA. The mean
age at diagnosis of PCA in castrated dogs and in intact male dogs was
not significantly different. The interval between castration and onset
of prostatic problems was highly variable, suggesting that castration
does not initiate the development of PCA in the dog, but it does favour
tumor progression.

From: michael <c...@dogtv.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:44:49 GMT

Subject: Re: Neutering & Health (everything our "experts"
                       have preached for YEARS is wrong)

WalterNY wrote:

Hello WalterNY,

I'm not talking about our "scientist experts." As they are a lot MOORE
free from bias than our so-called "expert" spay and neuter nazi
nannies.
A brain dead contingent of primarily white, suburban, overfed,
undersexed
radical control freak TOXIC MOMMIES who pave the road to heel with
their
good intentions.

For DECADES they have disinformed the public about the so-called
DANGERS
of a dog living with all the natural organs the dog was born with. VETS
are complicit in this as well, because SPAY and NEUTERING is a PROFIT
CENTER for many of them, much like VACCINES are.

But this is the CHANGING of the MUZZLE and SMARTENING UP of the
PUPULACE.

For DECADES our Spay and Neuter Nazis have nagged and scolded and lied
and skewed and pupularized the idea that sex organs on a dog are an
EVIL, a veritable cancer waiting to happen. They have used FEAR and
IGNORANCE and LOATHING for dogs so that they could further their goal
of
the ELIMINATION of dogs. Dogs (yes, actual dogs themselves) make our
so-called "dog lovers" radically uncomfortable and they are driven to
round them up and systematically ELIMINTATE them in our so-called
"Shelters."

They have PROMULGATED the LIE of a "PUPULATION CRISIS" in order to
justify their means of radically removing sex organs from dogs and dogs
themselves from society. They don't believe a dog has a right to live
if
it is uncaged, unfenced and unowned. Meanwhile, they care nothing about
loose, unowned deer, squirrels, rats, possums, etc... and to a lesser
extent CATS. It is only DOGS that DRIVE THEM CRAZY with the desire to
ELIMINATE them from the streets of America.

They think there is TOO MANY DOGS and they are desperate to GET RID OF
THEM. They claim to be "dog lovers" but really their main and ONLY
concern is CONTROLLING PEOPLE that they deem "irresponsible."

Unfounded FEAR of rabies drives the OVERvaccination of the Pupulace and
UNFOUNDED fears of CANCER and UNFOUNDED FEAR of UNCONTROLLABLE intact
dogs drive the POUND OF FLESH that our so-called "dog lovers" radically
DEMAND be cut out of our dogs to "FIX" them.

But I got news for ya WalterNY.

DOGS AIN'T BROKE! And they don't need radical, invasive surgery in
order
to "FIX" them.

Welcome to the NEW MUZZLE.

I'll be your host:

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Look for MOORE of me on TV discussing this and sundry other dog issues.
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!

this is michael
reporting live...
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From: Michael Patton <zzen...@earthlink.net>
Date: 1999/11/20
Subject: Sex and the Modern Day Spay and Neuter Nazi...

Eric Hayreh wrote:

In Britain, there is also always a drive to exterminate
whole breeds of dog, and/or force whole breeds of dog to
live miserably, by forcing them to wear muzzles at all times
in public.  All this, is spurred on by people who think they
are doing it in the interest of dogs.

Congratulations!  You've done so well, that you've exported
your hate toward dogs to America and many other points West
and East...

You see, the vast majority of spay and neuter nazis, whether
in the US or Britain, aren't really interested in dogs at
all.  They are interested in control.  They have a
bloodthirsty desire to cut out the sex organs of dogs, yes
any dogs they can get their hooks into, all this, of course,
in order to "save" dogs.  Dig beneath the surface, and you
see that all they are really interested in, is in obtaining
some type of "control" and "ownership" of the dog "problem"
by presenting themselves as the "good guys" and obtaining
some cheap moral authority which allows them to feel good
about themselves and their pernicious quest to stigmatize
and eliminate a fundamental part of dogs, their reproductive
organs.

Are you still with me, sweetie?

The vast majority of spay and neuter nazis are pitiful
control freaks who fear and detest dogs as they really are,
and who are too cowardly to go afer the people who cause all
the supposed problems in the Dog Game....so they take their
pound of flesh where they can get it, out of the dog, and it
gives them some satisfaction and helps them think they are
bettering life for dogs.  They hystericalize to mythological
proportions the supposed "overpopulation" and "health"
problems related to dog sex organs, and make it seem like a
dog with sex organs is a disaster waiting to happen...

All of which is to further their own pathetic, self serving
agenda, and all of which has little or nothing to do with
the overall long term benefit of dog in society.

Are you still with me, Sweetie?

What the Spay and Neuter Nazis don't realize, sweetie, is
that by encouraging and demanding the elimination of dog sex
organs so rabidly, they are unwittingly participating in the
overall stigmatization and elimination of dogs altogether.

Sex organs are a fundamental part of dogs and dogs are (or
at least, "were") a fundamental part of society.  Let's see
how long it lasts with friends like the Spay and Neuter
nazis helping out so diligently.

If there is a problem with dogs in society, it has little to
do with their sex organs, and everything to do with the two
legged part of the symbiosis who isn't keeping up their end
of the bargain.  Any extreme focus on the dog end, or the
dog reproductive end of the equation, is simply a quick,
easy, cowardly, scapegoating play for self-gratification by
a do gooder desperate for a cause.

Are you still with me, sweetie?

If your rabid focus is on parts of the dog, then you are not
a part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Are you still with me sweetie?

Have a nice day!

This is Michael
Reporting Live...

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From: michael <c...@dogtv.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:06:57 GMT
Subject: Re: *ooomph*

The Puppy Wizard wrote:

HOWEdy Wiz,

our spay and neuter nazis' fear and loathing of testicles is emblematic
of their fear and loathing of dogs in general. They are deeply and
shamelessly repulsed by the natural parts which  make up the dog. They
seek to eliminate parts of dogs, to eliminate dogs themselves and
eliminate access to dogs in HOWER society.

They are HOWER dogs worst enemy. Yes, it's the Suja's and the BethF's
and the Tara O's and TaraGreen2's and the "rescue" BWAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
societies and the shelly and MALinda's who talk a good game, but all
they really want is blood and their pound of flesh.

This sick freaks need to be exposed for the dog haters and enemies of
dog that they are. They need to find another species to busybody into
the ground and love to DEATH.

That's not gonna happen anyMOORE, Wiz. Not on our watch. We're flippin
the script on these Bizatches. It's DOG GAME TIME.

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Some men will get a vasectomy for themselves -walk awkwardly for a few days
and sit with a bag of frozen peas in his crotch - before he gets his dog
neutered. Go figure...