> Just killfile him. It's even more pleasant to view this newsgroup
> with his cr*p being flushed.
HOWEDY matty you miserable stinkin lyin dog abusing
punk thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable
mental case,
Rocky wrote:
> "Brian" <brian0918@gmail.com> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You're asking for a lot without giving a lot.
Looks like Brian's ONLY problem was that he didn't
READ The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Forums for a while PRYOR to
postin. OtherWIZE he'd have NEVER POSTED HERE
abHOWETS. AIN"T THAT CORRECT you freakin lyin
dog abusing mental case.
> I don't like pulling teeth,
But you don't mind jerkin chokin an shocking dogs.
> so how about a little background?
Looks like Brian has JUST SEEN all the backgrHOWEND he needed.
> Plus, please quote part of the post you're responding to.
What do you think this is some kinda SOCIAL group, matty?
Folks come here lookin for INFORMATION not SOCIALIZATION.
> It makes it easier on everyone.
That so, matty? When has your "advice" EVER benefitted a poster?
ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE
CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES post here
abHOWETS.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaborat...@HushMail.Com -
Date: 12 Sep 2005 12:39:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Border Collie - biting - HELP???!!! [ninnyboy] [jerry]
[asshowe] [howetard]
HOWEDY jen,
Jen wrote:
> I don't know why you bother with that HOWEDY idiot
Because that IDOT'S 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students REPORT 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS
with ALL temperament and behavior problems in ALL critters
from ALL OVER The Whole Wild World.
> guy at all.
Don't read what I say jen, read my FREE
Student's POSTED CASE HISTORY DATA. There's
not ANY behavior problem that can't be CURED
NEARLY INSTANTLY using effective non physical
non duress methods as taught in your own FREE
COPY of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual.
> I just killfile him.
Then WHO'S the IDIOT, jen?
> He talks rubbish and he's nasty.
You want to learn HOWE to pupperly handle
and train every dog and child nearly instantly
and for free, to boot, jen, or do you want
to learn when to jerk choke shock and murder
innocent dogs to satisfy a Sadistic fragile
defective ego, weak fearful mind and collossal
inferiority complex like these the dog lovers
who keep screamin to KILLFILE the ONLY 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY EFFECTIVE NON
OFFENSIVE METHOD in the Whole Wild World?
> Jen
You're askin liars dog abusers cowards and active
acute chronic long term incurable mental cases for
advcie THEY AIN'T GOT because they don't understand
dogs or behavior and they call my non physical gentle
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
Students LIARS, PAID SHILLS and FORGREIES.
I've even OFFERED TO PAY $10.00 / hour if you
STUDY MY MANUAL and FAIL to get 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESSL.
The COWARDS wouldn't bite at that no doGgamened
faster than they could GET PAID $100.00 to come
up with ANY EFFECTIVE NON FORCE / AVOIDANCE method
for ANY behavior like counter surfin or garbage
bin raiding or hole diggin or poo eatin:
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
Jen wrote:
> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy
Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von
Subject: Re: This guy makes people leave the site
HOWEDY frankensmith,
Frankensmith wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:11:02 GMT, "majcm" <MeMe.nos...@insightbb.com>
> wrote:
> > Who the hell is this guy who under numerous names posts
> > all this crap with CAPITAL letters, mostly MISSPELLED
> > (I guess trying to be clever (FAILED), and making no sense?
Oh? Makes no sense only if you're OFFENDED by seein
yourself in those senseless postings... then you'd be
COMPLAININ that HE should be BANNED from the WWW.
> > I've never posted a question, but looked at this site alot,
WELCOME To The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums <{); ~ ) >
> > not any more.
EMBARRASSED, are you?
> > What is the point of wasting my time trying to
> > figure out posts that end up making NO SENSE!!!!
Well, perhaps you shouldn't be posting here
abHOWETS if you haven't been followin the forum?
> No matter which newsgroup you frequent you will
> come across useless vermin of this nature.
So you feel free to just jump in and make disparraging
statements abHOWET what you don't understand, only
on accHOWENT of you IDENTIFY with what you see and
are EMBARRASSED by.
> They possess no social skills (as is clearly
> demonstrated by their adolescent posts), are
> more than likely over 30 years old and 'still
> living with mom & dad' - and are most generally
> 'quietly' referred to as 'welfare cases'.
We was talkin abHOWET jerking and choking dogs
on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shocking
beating and locking them in boxes for dominance pissin.
> They don't go away.
REMEMBER THAT, good buddy.
> They're outcasts and want to 'drag people down with them'.
We was talkin abHOWET jerking and choking dogs on pronged
spiked pinch choke collars and shocking and locking them
in boxes and spraying aversives in their faces and ignoring
their cries untill they NEED to be MURDERED for fear behaviors.
> If you 'allow yourself' to be disturbed by them -
JUST IGNORE ALL OF IT, dog lover. IT'S ALL LIES.
> they figure that they have won.
NOT SO LONG AS THERE'S WON DOG ABUSER LIKE YOURSELF LEFT HERE.
> For whatever 'mental stimulation' they get out of bothering others,
You mean IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING dog
abusing mental cases, isn't that what OFFFENDS YOU?
> it would seem they cannot achieve a similar
> 'accomplishment' by any other means
That's on accHOWENT Of THERE AIN'T NO BETTER MEANS
than the WWW, thanks to Al Gore. What's your problem,
are you a Republican?
> hence, the 'welfare case' syndrome.
Seems ONLY DOG ABUSERS post here abHOWETS, dog lover.
> This (useless) guy who uses the word 'puppy' in his nym
You mean The UNMENTIONABLE WON, dog lover/
> is obviously one of the more disturbed.
Well, what would you EXXXPECT when dog lovers
like yourself will do and say ANY THING to
DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE
and MURDER innocent dumb critters, dog abuser.
> As with a 'puppy', he probably has to depend
> on others cleaning up after him -
Yeah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard waits for MENTAL
CASES like yourself to RUB HIS NOSE IN IT for being
IMPOLITE to DOG ABUSERS LIARS COWARDS and
ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES like yourslf, who jerk choke shock crate
surgically mutilate spray aversives and murder dogs
they're afraid to HURT and INTIMIDATE some MOORE.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> could very well be served meals in a 'personal' bowl
> - and perhaps 'mom or dad' puts him outside when
> he's bad.
HOWE would a DOG LOVER like you punish The Amazing
Puppy Wizard for BEING CRUEL to DOG ABUSING MENTAL
CASES, dog lover?
> Simply ignore the less learned - the underdog -
> the outcast - the 'welfare case' ... use your kill
> filter.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> FS
Subject: Re: Hey PW
HOWEDY CardioActive,
> I remember you from almost a year ago.
INDEEDY. The Amazing Puppy Wizard hopes
it was as good for you as it was for HIM <{) ; ~ ) >
> My dog Stefi (a rescued animal) bit another
> dog in a spat at that time and we were banished
> from the leash-free dog park (by frowns).
INDEEDY. That was a minor problem.
> I requested help from a similar newsgroup
> and you made some suggestions.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard told you you was askin
liars dog abusers cowards and active long term i
ncurable mental cases for advice for the same
problems they got and can't train.
> I downloaded your manual and found it very
> helpful (even though I haven't finished it yet:)
Ahhh, you're missin the BEST parts.
> Some of your advice stuck with me and makes a lot of sense -
EVERY thing The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez makes
sense to the dog. THAT'S HOWE COME they NEVER
FAIL us when we FOLLOW THE METHOD.
> - 'you're raising companions not pigs', as
> well as suggestions that I praise them even
> when they do wrong things (seemed counter-
> intuitive at the time).
INDEEDY. Every thing HOWER DOG LOVERS
think they know is CONtraWIZE to effective trainin.
> I've tried practicing those things and my both
> my dogs really adore me now. They respect
> my opinion.
INDEEDY. That's what it's all abHOWET:
Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands How Wits End
Training Really Works, They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That
Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built
On Trust And Understanding."
Disciple Paulie Writes:
I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them
they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once
I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from
me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and
they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and
say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the
request and I bet you'll find your dog thinking
then responding everytime.
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule
applies to every aspect of the relationship with
your dog.
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.
Paul.
========================
> I've been sneaking into the dog park at early
> hours (6:00 am) for doggy exercise and to
> avoid conflicts with others.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard recommends you
study Part 2 of your FREE copy of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual and do the exercises
and apply them to dogs you can approach at
the park and EXXXTINGUISH this problem EZ
PERMENANTELY GENTLY and NEARLY INSANTLY.
> Occasionally we encounter other early morning
> dogs and Stefi has become uncharacteristically
> mild-mannered.
Good. It's time to start doin the real work in
part 2 and work her around lots of dogs till
she's comfortable all the time.
> Today, a small dog came up to her and sniffed
> her face -- a bombshell previously. No problem
> now. I praised her for being good which she
> continued to do.
Good.
> She's happy, I'm happy.
That's just HOWE it IS when we stop OPPOSING
or BRIBING HOWER dogs and give them some
confidence and trust.
> Anyway, just a short note of thanks
No, THANK YOU. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
couldn't do it withHOWET your heelp <{) ; ~ ) >
> and best wishes.
LikeWIZE.
> Regards
Be SHORE to do that heeling pattern exercise
and work the method PRECISELY as instructed
and your dog will be playin in the park with the
other dogs in a couple of days. Maybe faster.
> P.S. I recall you also are from FL. Hope you
> successfully ducked all the hurricanes this year.
INDEEDY. We got through withHOWET a scratch.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard got PROTECTION.
HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,
> > Thanks Puppy Wizard, I'll check it out. I for
> > one don't want to give up on a good friend
> > even if they have "issues".
> > -CardioActive
HOWEDY Angelo Lauetta,
> got the free instructions, been using them this
> past week with total sucess...
INDEEDY. The Amazing Puppy Wizard GUARANTEES
100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL NEARLY
INSTANTLY or HE'LL get the heel HOWETA this business.
> the file i dl'd is 87 pages long....got any more, im hooked...
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual is PRECISE. You won't be needing
any "advanced" methods cause the basics are applicable to
all aspects of all training needs and behavior problems and
the scientific and psychological techniques work equally well
on children, spHOWESES employees and employers.
> 8 month old lab is loving it too....
Of CURSE!
> Power to the People brother......
INDEED.
Too bad HOWER DOG LOVERS would PREFER to
jerk and choke their dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke
collars and shock and beat them with sticks and spray
aversives in their eyes and advise folks like you to do
likeWIZE so they don't look like ESCAPED MENTAL
PATIENTS DOG ABUSERS LIARS and SADISTS.
> and thanks for saving me the $ on obedience training.....
Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME HOWER professional
DOG LOVERS like lying frosty dahl, captain arthur haggerty,
jo wolf, janet boss, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and her
close personal pal Master Of Deception blankman and
professor SCRUFF SHAKE HOWER university trained
behaviorist don't LIKE The Amazing Puppy Wizard
IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING them
and their barbaric descartean methods?
> more people just need to open their minds and at least
> take a look at a different point of view.....
Yeah. But that would mean the professional liars dog
abusers university behaviorISTS and active long term
incurable MENTAL PATIENTS would have to get the
heel HOWETA this business.
> so once again thanx and woof from Penny....
The Puppy Wizard reveres a dedicated student.
HOWEDY CardioActive,
> Here's a tale for you.
Forget abHOWET it. The Amazing Puppy Wizard got a tail for you.
> I have two dogs
The Amazing Puppy Wizard grew up in a Great Dane kennel
and has forty sumpthin years experience specializing in
temperament and behavior problems and protection trainin
in mostly giant breed working dogs.
> I adopted from a rescue agency -
The Amazing Puppy Wizard is holding "RESCUE" organizations
responsible for mishandling and abusing dogs and disavailng
them of their rightful HOWESES by not being able to give their
families the INFORMATION they need.
> Keena and Stefi. Both are females who were both about 4-5
> years old when I met them. Keena is never a problem.
All behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
> I took her to dog training classes
Traditional training based on fear force intimidation
avoidance bribery and withholding bribes to elicit
mindless unthinking behaviors to get a treat cause
anxiHOWESNESS GREED and MISTRUST and
reduce the dog's esteem for his handler's authority.
> and applied the same techniques to Stefi when I got her.
Could be THAT'S HOWE COME you got behaivor problems.
> Stefi is about 45 pounds and when you look closely at her
> ears you'll see lots of scar tissue from old dog fights.
Lots of us got scars from old fights.
> After I adopted her, I found out about her past.
Her past is history.
> She had been kept in a kennel at a no-kill animal shelter
> for almost two years because she was "too aggressive".
Oh? Just like Valerie's dog Spot.
> No one would adopt her.
Oh? Just like most of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs.
> Today, a lot of people who know her laugh because she
> is so ridiculously affectionate with strangers (including kids).
EXXXCELLENT! Good for you. SHOWENDS like your
traning wasn't as ineffective and inapupriate as most.
> However other dogs are another story.
Ooops! NO PROBLEM. All we gotta do is teach you
HOWE to control your dogs withHOWET fear force
intimidation avoidance and to teach them to trust you
and have confidence they won't be afraid of other dogs
noMOORE.
> In my town there are a lot of leash free dog parks and
> my dogs love to visit. We go almost everyday.
Good for you.
> I've been working hard trying to better socialize Stefi
> and we've made lots of progress.
SHOWENDS like you've done well, up till the dog part.
> I've noticed that when Stefi finds herself in a crowd of people
> and dogs all bunched together she gets very nervous.
Well, The Amazing Puppy Wizard will teach you HOWE
to change her state of mind NEARLY INSTANTLY using
the effective non physical scientific and psychological
conditioning techniques taught in your FREE copy of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual.
> Her smiling face will suddenly disappear,
That's when you'll just follow the INSTRUCTIONS and
yoru dog will return to being a happy puppy.
> her eyes turn coal black, she snarls and the aggressively
> lashes out at a nearby dog (especially smaller ones).
We'll EXXXTINGUISH her REFLEXIVE FEAR RESPONSE NEARLY
INSTANTLY if you do all the exercises in your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual.
> If I see it, I intercept and stop it by shouting "be nice" to her.
You mean, you threaten and intmidate her.
> It seems to work.
INDEEDY. But only for the moment, then the fear returns
with a vengence cause NHOWE the dog is afraid of you
and angry at the other dog for gettin her in trHOWEBLE
and she's EMBARRASSED in front of the other dog and
THAT'S what causes sibling rivalry.
> But I can't take my eye off of her for even a second.
Cause you're forcing control, not trainin.
> I've also noticed after she lashes out at a dog,
> she never does it again to that dog.
Oh. Well, all you gotta do is intimidate her in front
of every dog in creation and your problem is SOLVED.
> Today, after a year and a half of trying to socialize her,
> she bit another dog in the face so badly, the owner had
> to take his dog to an emergency vet clinic. It was a bloody
> mess.
Well, you're in EXXXCELLENT COMPANY here abHOWETS
CardioActive. We got liars and dog abusers and active long
term incurable mental cases who've got the same problem
who will advise you to do the same same as they have to
get the same same same same problems and MOORE.
> Fortunately, the dog wasn't seriously injured
> but I got to pay a $60 vet bill for the owner.
You got LUCKY.
> The victim dog was a small breed (Italian greyhound?)
There shouldn't be no VICTIMS.
> Stefi has previously caught and killed a rat and baby
> opossum in my backyard
Yeah. That's a little MOORE difficult to break but it can be done.
> and some small breeds are not much larger.
But they're not a wild critter trespassin in your HOWES.
> I'm now very hesitant about taking her back to the park.
Of curse.
> And what about my other dog who was not involved.
We'll still train him the same same so everyWON will
be pupperly handled and trained.
> Do I leave Stefi at home and take Keena?
You won't be havin this problem for MOORE than a
couple days if you study your FREE copy of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual.
> Any ideas for training regimens?
Yeah. But you're probably not gonna want to study
your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
on accHOWENT of it's difficult for The Amazing
Puppy Wizard to believe that you never read HOWER
forum pryor to posting your question.
DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS
casue HOWER regular posters are LIARS DOG ABUSERS
COWARDS and active long term incurable mental patients
who HURT and KILL dogs like you got.
> Remember this is a leash free area that's quite large.
REMEMBER, YOU'RE ASKIN DOG ABUSERS COWARDS
and MENTAL PATIENTS for advice for the SAME SAME
SAME SAME PROBLEMS THEY CAUSED THEIR OWN
goddamend sickly, fear aggressive DOGS.
> Any help with my problem is greatly appreciated.
You won't be gettin no HEELP from HOWER DOG ABUSERS
LIARS COWARDS and ACTIVE INCURABLE LONG TERM
MENTAL PATIENTS:
Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:
Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without
physical contact and she does seem to listen
better than when I would praise with it. I agree
that it is a distraction.
Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from
her since I started the Witts End.
"MaryBeth" <marbe...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:3cfcdcfb$2_8@news.teranews.com...
> "MaryBeth" <marbe...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
> > Didja also see that he has 'morphed' into Valerie M.
> > Holmes ?????
> Note: I am not saying there isn't a VALID Valerie M.
> Holmes, but this one lives in howdy's home.
> MB <G>
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holme...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian who is a real
sweet dog with a few issues that I am working to resolve after
adopting her from a shelter she spent 2 years in. All I want
is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual. My dog has
ACTUALLY been responding to her training. The deal is you
have to seperate your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the manual what you
want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of the whole Jerry
thing. I have to say the guy is pretty clever, you're letting
him get under your skin. It makes for a very amusing game I
think. I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far, using the
Witts End, I have gotten my dalmatian to listen to me, to look
to me for direction, to wait for me to say when. I have
changed her from an aggressive dog to one who is willing to
please her owner, willing to listen, willing to assume her
role in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing into me, ok?
--------------------------
MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY
ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's
only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who
isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.
MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid, has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze," chain
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
You become another person, if it's not the
correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for menopause."
--MaryBeth
"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
into the dead zone and I had no real
emotions, like not laughing at funny stuff,
couldn't cry either.....except about my
suicidal thoughts (but at the time I thought
there was no other way out)."
--MaryBeth
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid
today. I talked with RE and pharmacist
re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself> <G>
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
many many treasured ppl and things. Please
don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"
--MaryBeth
Friday, 5/31/02:
HOWEDY Valerie,
> I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr
> old dalmatian from a no-kill shelter.
Nice goin.
> She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally she has some
> socialization issues to overcome.
Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time
shouldn't have problems associated with it if the facility
was reasonable, and if they're not killin dogs they couldn't
be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson
and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE.
> My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these issues...
Don't worry about it! I got all the answers and none of the
calories. All ya got to do is agree to do anything Jerry sez
and you get the aluminum funnel hat, membership card,
secret password, secret decoder ring, secret fan club
privilidges, secret FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual, secret FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
member's benefits, and secret Contract Signed In
Werewoolf And Elf Blood with a lifetime GUARANTEE
NEVER to have a dog behavior problem again and your
dog will ALWAYS WANT to do as you ask.
IMPOSSIBLE? It gets EVEN BETTER! Stick arHOWEND...
> 1. She is aggresive toward **ALL** other dogs,
Ooops! WE got a TOUGH problem here. I hope you're fit,
dog training is a physical skill not easily learned through
books, the written word just can't SHOW you the precise
moves necessary for commanding a dog.
Every dog is an individual, and we got to SEE the behaviors
to even GUESS what's going on with your dog. THEN we got
to formulate a training program based on the individual dog's
requirements for physical and emotional PRESSURE and learn
the fine art of attrition and have the expertise to hurt your
dog PRECICELY, and ONLY WHEN NECESSARY.
But FIRST, a trip to the vet is in order. Any sudden changes in
behavior needs to be examined by the veterinarian and he'll be
able to give you a referral to such an expert who knows HOWE
and when to HURT your dog properly to make it friendly or
advise you when to KILL IT TO BE FAIR.
So, tomorrow morning call your vet and make an appointment
in 15 days to put your dog to sleep. Ask him HOWE MUCH.
Hang up the phone and SPEAK TO NO ONE!!!
SAY NOTHING TILL you put that money into an envelope
with your dog's name PRINTED on it in UPPER CASE thingys.
MAKE SURE you GO DIRECTLY TO THE BANK, SPEAK
NOTHING!, and withdraw ONLY NEW BILLS!
If you cannot obtain NEW currency KEEP GOIN! We need
CLEAN MONEY for this SACRIFICE. When you accept
this money DO NOT TOUCH! HAVE THE TELLER PUT
THE BILLS INTO THE ENVELOPE AND SEAL IT.
ASK HER TO PRINT YOUR DOG'S NAME ON THE BACK,
Ooops! DON'T! That's just an expression. Hand
the teller a note. DON'T SPEAK!
NOT THE FRONT. THE BACK OF THE SACRIFICIAL
ENVELOPE IN UPPER CASE THINGY'S.
Now you can speak, but don't, nobody will believe you.
Trust me. Take the envelope to your HOWES and put it
inside your pillow case and FORGET ABOUT IT. Don't
need that for two weeks yet.
> even dogs that have shown that they are willing to be
submissive.
Oooops? What's that mean? I don't understand doggietalkie.
You mean she attacks other dogs, boys, girls, puppys, all
dogs? Good. That tells me we consistency going for us to
fix it.
When does she get an opportunity to have a dog cower?
> Upon sight of a dog, she lunges and snarls.
O.K., that's GOOD! That tells me we can probably break the
lunging in a few minutes of work. Maybe five, but we'll need
to repeat it a few times to generalize the idea. And we'll need
to do a little work to learn to handle her properly, maybe an
hour over several 15 minute sessions and a half dozen 5
minute sessions. I hope your ciphering is keepin up with us.
> 2. She is usually kind and affectionate toward her owner (me),
Well, usually? I don't like usually.
I like always, consistent,100%,
that's what's good. Always consistent. Consistent
behaviors change to other, often seemingly un related,
consistent behaviors.
Dogs like consistency too, but not repression. You'll see.
> but recently began turning sour
Ooops! That's good. That tells me the rest of the problem
is as I thought, JUST a little mishandling. I'll teach you
every thing you need to know. We're about half way
done training aready. WATCH!
> and for no apparent reason
All problem dog behaviors are a PREDICTABLE direct result
of our ineffective and inappropriate responses to our dog's
innate normal natural instinctive reflexive responses to
circumstances of their environment WE create for them.
I'll teach you HOWE to train yourself to respond differently
to your dog's instinctive reflexes to you, which will cause
your dog to reflex differently to your CONDITIONED reflexive
responses and interactions towards him, compelling him
to NATURALLY WANT to do EVERY THING you ask,
cause THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
Once YOU have learned proper handling techniques
and appropriate non physical control through conditioned
distraction and praise *(ABOUT 2 HRS WORK, maybe
less,) you'll be able to negotiate any obstacle LIKE
MAGICK, relying on scientific conditioning and desensitization
techniques and demonstrated self control as explained in
our Contract.. err, your FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com . Ahem.
Unless you got that one in a BAZILLION dog that's gonna
throw Jerry the dew claw. Don't let that happen. I'll work
you through the whole process and you'll see results
tommorow. You'll have the behavior in pretty good shape
in a week, and in about ten days we should be ready to start
introducing her to a couple select dogs in about fifteen minutes
of work and then we'll repeat that again a couple times and
again with a couple moore dogs and then we'll be ready to start
with the first dog again for the off lead introduction and you're
DONE.
Oooops! PROBLEMO. My arithmetic sez we're gonna
need a couple moore days to work this introduction
business till the aggression is thouroghly and permenantely
extinguished. If we break our Contract, I'm err, shall we say
OUTTA HERE FOREVER?
Of course I could handle this a lot faster in person myself
cause I can control you and your dog to insure the result,
so nobody's got to do nothin noHOWE, but speak when I ask,
and hush as I speak and relish each word like candy you'd eat,
and jump when I say, ask HOWE HIGH and salute, and
tout tributes to Jerry's manual whenever you open your mouth...
That's all. Oh, and one other thing... I hope you don't faint
at the sight of blood. WE got to sign a contract. HOWE
MUCH do you want this dog to turn out PERFECT in
about two weeks? I'm willing to...shall we say STAKE
my ahahahahahaaaa, life on it???
BWWWWAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> and...
And NUTHIN. I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF SATAN, DOG LOVER!!!
You'll do as I say and dance when I speak...and sing
for your breakfast and beg for your treat ...I'll stop at
at nuthin to save your dog's life, include sell the souls
of my dog and my wife, to prove there's no way to make
a dog lover right. I'll go with The Devil to save our dog's
lives, I'll fight tooth and nail with guns and with knives,
I'm droppin the hammer on dog trainer's careers,
and takin their eye teeth along with their rears. They
been jerkin and chokin the life outta dogs and now I
got them all by their balls in my jaws...
Now go ahead and pinch my ears..., or just make me laugh.
I just told you we figured out your dog's problem.
> snarls toward me!
Big deal. She won't do that noMOORE once you
learn to handle her like any of my students.
> This has completely destroyed the trust
What trust? The trust established with your choke collar
and corrections?
Don't worry about a thing. WE got a CONTRACT. Remember?
> we were building over the past month.
BWWWWAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!! Got me laughin
in Spanish and I don't even speak Spanish.
> 3. She deals with visitors,
Deals? Sounds tentative. She's just a little shy.
Don't worry about it.
I'm the only game in town. I got the deal and Jerry
don't make no deals... Well not no moore, since I'm
temporarily outta... mmm, currency.
Jerry don't compromise with dog lovers who prefer to
hurt and kill dogs than spend a couple hours trying
to show the dog HOWE to live instead of forcing IT to
choose the degree of pain it prefers to tolerate in
between spurts of life, anxiety, and repression.
> but is very anxious around people she doesn't know.
Shy. The anxiety is a result of punishment for being aggressive
cause she's shy, or maybe just from back when a puppy jumpin
up onto a guest and gettin kneed in the chest or toes stepped
on or alphaphalpha rolled and growled into their throat pr just
SCRUFF SHAKE and screamed NO for 5 seconds or chin CHUKED
and bit on the ears till they piss themselves or jerked and
choked on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or burned with
a medical grade static like stimulation device or containment
system like our dog lovers at k9 web and cindy "don't let the
dog SCREAM" mooron recommend TO ENHANCE THE BOND between 'trainer'
and dog.
Our traditional training methods are what's making your dog
turn on you for hurting and scaring her during her meetings
with other dogs. Our pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and
janet boss recommend pronged spiked pinch choke and shock
and citronella collars for training this kind of dog... and
they'd rather not put IT through all that when there's SO
MANY dogs that are deserving of their HELP. And then they'll
deny it, despite that it's archived FOREVER.
You see where WE're goin with all this? WATCH.
> At first she would scream if a stranger
> petted her with 2 hands.
I'd probably come real close to dropping the hammer on them
myself. My dogs will bite you if a stranger meeting us put their
hands on us in a restraining manner. We don't like that. Trust me.
Strangers touching us means we got to run and find an adult or
a policeman. RIGHT? Either that or...
> I just don't trust her around anyone yet.
Me too. I never trust a dog. I only trust my training methods
and then we don't got to worry about what the heel the dog
cares... who the heel's the goddamned trainer, you or the
dog?
THE DOG!
You got to TRAIN YOURSELF to reflex to his needs properly
and then he'll reflex to his natural instinct and be able to use
his dog skills as part of your family pack, equally with you
and the other family members.
Every thing you've been taught about handling your dog
is DEAD WRONG and your dog is prima facia evidence
in Jerry's Giiihhhaaad against the dog behavior industry
for bringing us every dog behavior problem we've got.
> 4. She lunged at my sisters 2 year old
$#!T! You're gonna try and make this hard for me aren't ya,
pullin the fear/guilt double high card trump tryin to make Old
Jerry roll over and piss himself with the 2 yo kid card???
NOTHIN DOIN! Get the heel outta here!
IN THE NAME OF SATAN I REBUKE YOU, DOG LOVERS!!!
> the same way she lunged toward other dogs, aggressively.
Duh-Oh! Spooooookey!!! BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> I really really like this dog,
THAT'S GREAT! I do too. I like all dogs on general principle
and individual dogs on merit and don't like nobody no moore
than me...and mine. You got your copy of The Contract?
Don't worry about nuthin. Me an mine are comin through
this alive... sort of, in a sense.
> when she is calm and able to relax.
Vs what? I would like to know when she's not calm and able
to relax... tell us what she's doin. THOSE are the anxitey
relief mechanisms WE need to deal with so I can fulfill
OUR Contract and... finish you off, and that little dog too!
> I want to keep her,
LIKEWISE. WE got a long term Contract. Haven't we?
> but I don't really know what the best way to establish
> the necessary trust.
Yeah, as a matter of fact we got EXPERTS here. Let me
INTRODUCE you around?
> Any ideas out there?
Yeah. Our dog lovers were just on their way to another forum.
Weren't you, dog lovers? We'll introduce our new found friends
later. Right now our OP's got some studying to do before she
has an accident cause she won't know HOWE to handle her
lead to stop triggering her dog to pull if she's wastin time with
dog abusers who jerk and choke dogs. That's moore then half
of what gets IT angry.
Now if this sounds too unbelievable I'll just up the ante.
I'll PAY YOU $10.00 / hr to study with me, IF YOU FAIL.
Call or write for details and agreement.
The Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; - ) >
ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <{}YPW ; ~ } >
oo-oo
> Assuming you're not a Jerry (Puppy Wizard) sock puppet,
You're a MENTAL CASE, tara o. aka tee.
> why would you listen to anything he has to say
Oh, perhaps that's on accHOWENT of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard doesn't CHOKE SHOCK and MURDER HIS DOGS
like you do, tara o. aka tee.
> after his posts to this thread?
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's posts IDENTIFYING
EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING you and your pals as
liars dog abusers and active long term incurable mental cases?
> Notice a trend of everybody but him being a dog
> abuser/murderer/liar/thug/etc etc etc?
INDEED. That's a trend CardioActive wants to avoid.
> If his writing style alone doesn't give him away
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has written the most compelling
INFORMATION on behaviorISM since descartes.
> as strange (to be kind)
INDEEDY! It IS, "STRANGE to be KIND," here abHOWETS.
> then his 600+ line drivel & insults,
You mean CASE HISTORIES, TESTIMONIALS and
ENDORSEMENTS of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students all over the Whole Wild World NOT BEING
"STRANGE TO BE KIND"?
> cross-posted to 5 different newsgroups,
That IS particularly EMBARRASSING. Ain't it, tara o. aka tee.
> ought to...
Let's talk abHOWET your own DEAD DOG Summer?
> or did he somehow guess that your dog is a Pitbull/Lab cross
A dog is a dog.
> (notice how those ngs are now in the distribution)?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard crossposts to dog lovers news
groups cause they need to learn HOWE to handle and train
their dogs withHOWET HURTIN THEM.
> As for giving up,
It's time, tara o. aka tee. You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.
> I didn't see a single poster who responded to you with
> advice & their own stories tell you to give up on your dog.
You mean, like HOWE you done your own DEAD DOG Summer?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> DOGSNUTS wrote:
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===============
Hello People,
Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.
----------------------------------------------
The Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; - ) >
ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <{}YPW ; ~ } >
oo-oo
> <unsurreality_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1126062213.142634.68940@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaborat...@HushMail.Com wrote:
> >> HOWEDY STEPHO,
> >> STEPHO wrote:
> >> > i have an 11month old border colie called buster.
> >> A dog is a dog, STEPHO.
> > Then why do you continually say "I work with large breed working dogs"?
> > It doesn't matter if a dog is a dog yet you NEVER answer the
> > question, HoweTard!!!
> >> > at times he can be lovely and cute and a nice little doggy.
> >> Any three week old puppy got all the brains he
> >> needs to outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy
> >> dog trainer or university trained ethologist.
> >> > but when he's not being nice,
> >> Dogs are ALWAYS nice.
> > No, they are NOT. When you sit there and try to make a dog into an
> > inanimate object like a damn washing machine, you are simply WRONG.
> > They ALL have REAL personalities, you just don't UNDERSTAND that FACT.
> > And just because you don't UNDERSTAND THAT, does NOT give you the right
> > to say such crap. You need some EDUCATION.
> >> > he can be an absolute terror.
> >> All temperament and behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
> > NO, THEY ARE NOT. I mean, if all people were the same, we'd all be
> > a.sholes like you. How do you explain that most people are not
> > a.sholes yet YOU are? We're all the same, right???
> > Sometimes you amaze me, HoweTard, with how stupid you really are...
IHateToSayItButITOLDYOUSO@Inbox.Com - 15 Jan 2006 18:15 GMT
HOWEDY wienerdog,
WienerDog wrote:
> >Our young dog is continually playing roughly with the older dog,
> >causing it to bark loudly. This happens several times a day. Is there
> >any way to stop this? She also fights with the cat daily.
>
> Hello Brian,
Brian is a SCIENTIST, wienerdog. He AIN'T a freakin IGNORAMUS
like you and the rest of these miserable anonymHOWES lyin dog
abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable
MENTAL CASES.
> Just wanted to warn you about pervert,
We was talkin abHOWET Brian's dog's behavior problems, wienerdog.
What's The Amazing Puppy Wizard's "perversions" got to do with DOG
TRAININ you miserable punk thug coward anonymHOWES dog abusin
mental case?
> newsgroup abuser
The Amazing Puppy Wizard ONLY abuses dog and child abusers,
like yourself, weinerdog. AnyWON else can DEFEND THEMSELVES.
> and convicted felon
CITES PLEASE, wienerdog? When The Amazing Puppy Wizard
calls a person a liar dog abuser coward and mental case HE CITES
their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES, unlike yourself who makes
false accusations and cannot BACK IT UP IN WRITING.
> who is trolling the room.
THESE ARE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forums, wienerdog <{) : ~ ) >
<{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>
WELCOME! The Amazing Puppy Wizard COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT
withHOWET YOUR FREE HEELP and the DOG ABUSING MENTAL
CASES like yourself, wienerdoggy <{) ; ~ ) >
> His alias is The Amazing Puppy Wizard and real name is Jerry Howe.
AND DON'T YOU EVER FORGET IT, wienerdoggy <{) ; ~ ) >
> Since you are new here,
ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE
CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES post
here abHOWETS, wienerdoggy <{) ; ~ ) >
> you just got hooked by replying to this well known netloon and troll.
Evidently Brian DIDN'T READ The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums PRYOR to postin here abHOWETS.
OtherWIZE he'd be a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE like yourself, wienerdog.
> Once he baits you as he does with others,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and
DISCREDITED EVERY PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER and
UNIVERSITY TRAINED BEHAVIORIST who's ever written abHOWET
dog training and behavior, wienerdoggy <{) ; ~ ) >
> you became troll bait
You lyin dog abusing mental cases baited your own selves.
> and he will flame you and harass you
Naaaah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard RELIES on YOUR OWN WORDS
to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you punk thug cowards <{) ; ~ ) >
> through this newsgroup
THESE ARE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Forums, wienerdoggy. GET OVER IT <{) ; ~ ) >
> and in email.
THIS IS The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Email address, wienerdoggy.
> PLEASE killfile this well known Jerry Howe aka The Puppy Wizard
Sez you, wienerdoggy? Brian came here lookin for INFORMATION.
YOU GOT ANY INFORMATION, wienerdoggy?
> who is using alot of alias in here.
THESE ARE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Forums, wienerdoggy. HE COULDN'T
HAVE DONE IT withHOWET YOUR FREE HEELP you miserable
lyin dog abusin punk thug coward active acute chronic long term
incurable MENTAL CASE.
REMEMBER NHOWE???
> He is a pathological liar,
CITES PLEASE?
> pervert
That's IRRELEVENT.
> and bastard
That's IMMATERIAL.
> net kook.
That's INCONSEQUENTIAL.
> All he does is slander and defame people
BY QUOTING THEIR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORIES, wienerdoggy.
> in here
AFTER ALL, THESE ARE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums, wienerdoggy.
HE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT withHOWET YOUR FREE HEELP you
miserable lyin dog abusin punk thug coward active acute chronic long
term incurable MENTAL CASE.
> and never listens when told to stop.
INDEEDY. LikeWIZE The Amazing Puppy Wizard NEVER HURT
INTIMIDATED or MURDERED a innocent defenseless dumb critter
no matter HOWE many EXXXPERTS LIKE YOURSELF sez the
dog CAN'T BE TRAINED.
> He knows nothing about dog training or canine behavior.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard DON'T NEED to know NUTHIN
abHOWET DOGS, wienerdoggy. HE KNOWS HOWE PEOPLE
THINK an LEARN, wienerdoggy. IT'S ALL THE SAME SAME.
> He just makes this up,
CITES PLEASE?
> his nose gets longer and longer like Pinocchio due to lying
> for years and he has been abusively trolling this newsgroup
> and others for years.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard CAME HERE to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE
and DISCREDIT the LYIN DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD
ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES and use THESE FORUMS to accrue the CASE HISTORY
DATA necessary to PROVE EVERY THING HE SEZ, wienerdoggy.
> He keeps putting " XXX " in each word, which means
> that he is so perverted and he is mentally ill and off
> his medication and it is better that all of you keep him
> in your killfiles for the time being.
Brian was askin HOWE to make his pup PLAY NICE with
his old dog and kitty kat, wienerdoggy. YOU GOT ANY
ADVICE other than to KILLFILE THE ONLY INFORMATION
that WORKS NEARLY INSTANTLY withHOWET HURTIN
NO WON EXXXCEPT YOU and your punk thug coward
mental case pals, wienerdoggy?
> Please avoid replying to messages from all his aliases.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard DON'T EXXXPECT NO doGdameneD
REPLIES to HIS INFORMATION otherWIZE HE'D NOT BE GIVIN
ALL THE INFORMATION NECESSARY and HE'D NEED dog abusin
punk thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable MENTAL
CASES like yourself and you punk thug coward pals to GIVE THE
REST of the INFORMATION folks NEED to TRAIN ALL CRITTERS
NEARLY INSTANTLY.
IOW, THESE ARE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums, wienerdoggy. HE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT
withHOWET YOUR FREE HEELP you miserable lyin dog abusin punk
thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable MENTAL CASE.
> The aliases to killfile are:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Add them to the killfilters in your newsreader program to
> block him permanently.
And THEN WHAT? ASK YOU FOR INFORMATION abHOWET
his doggy, wienerdoggy? BWEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
Oh, bye the bye, you and the rest of these miserable lyin dog
abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable
mental cases CAN'T POST HERE abHOWETS nodoGdameneDMOORE.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) writes:
>In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu> tami sutherland
><suthe...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>> However, there have been incidences where she has
>> growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
>> were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELY
> pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
> sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold
> her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
> If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
> will have to find another way to administer a prompt
> correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
> pennies, or a tug on the collar.
--Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of sh.t you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
=====================
> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===========
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT
Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."
HOWEDY People,
Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.
> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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