My 5 year old 35 lb dog has been having seizures lately, about one a month.
She is having "Petit Mal" types from what I have read on the Internet. My
Vet says without seeing her have one, he can't really tell what's going on.
They last for 3 or 4 minutes, she locks up and has trouble standing. Her
jaws are clenched tight and she drools. She also looks terrified. He
suggested it could be epilepsy or an episode of low blood sugar. I am a
Diabetic and have a blood glucose meter. My question, where is a good site
to draw blood? The last time she seized I tried getting blood on the back of
her ears with a lancet, but wasn't able to get any blood. I also tried the
inside of the ear flap. (all I need is one drop) Has anyone had any
experience with this?
Thanks
"Patch" <bob_acord@hotmail.com> said in alt.med.veterinary:
> My 5 year old 35 lb dog has been having seizures lately,
> about one a month. She is having "Petit Mal" types from
> what I have read on the Internet.
What do they look like?
> My Vet says without
> seeing her have one, he can't really tell what's going on.
Yes.
> They last for 3 or 4 minutes, she locks up and has trouble
> standing.
Three or four minutes is a *very* long seizure, one which could
potentially cause brain damage. Are you sure of this time? I
clock Rocky's seizures because originally they seemed longer
than they really were.
"Locking up" is a common occurrence during a seizure, as is
defecation; balance issues post-ictal are pretty well universal.
Rocky also is blind for a while.
> Her jaws are clenched tight and she drools. She
> also looks terrified. He suggested it could be epilepsy or
> an episode of low blood sugar.
Seizures can be triggered by low blood sugar.
> I am a Diabetic and have a
> blood glucose meter. My question, where is a good site to
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> (all I need is one drop) Has anyone had any experience with
> this?
I'd be interested in hearing your results.

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sighthounds & siberians - 22 Mar 2006 21:26 GMT
>Three or four minutes is a *very* long seizure, one which could
>potentially cause brain damage. Are you sure of this time? I
>clock Rocky's seizures because originally they seemed longer
>than they really were.
Three or four minutes is dangerously long for grand mals, but not for
petit mals (absence, partial). Cruiser the IG's seizures last much
longer than that, but they're petit mals and occur less frequently
than once a month.
Mustang Sally
Rocky - 23 Mar 2006 04:41 GMT
sighthounds & siberians <x@ncweb.com> said in
alt.med.veterinary:
> Three or four minutes is dangerously long for grand mals,
> but not for petit mals (absence, partial).
OK, but even a secondary seizure lasting that long is worrisome.

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sighthounds & siberians - 23 Mar 2006 04:51 GMT
>sighthounds & siberians <x@ncweb.com> said in
>alt.med.veterinary:
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>
>OK, but even a secondary seizure lasting that long is worrisome.
Actually, I misspoke. Petit mals and partials are not the same thing,
and I was referring to partials. Cruiser's last a good 20 minutes.
Mustang Sally
>The last time she seized I tried getting blood on the back of her ears with
>a lancet, but wasn't able to get any blood. I also tried the inside of the
>ear flap. (all I need is one drop) Has anyone had any experience with this?
A lancet and home glucose monitor use capillary blood. Cats have more
capillary supplies in the ear than dogs do and I've seen some cat owners
have success in the ear. Never heard of getting a good sample from a dog
ear without resorting to getting a venous puncture. The only thing I can
think of is to rush the dog to the animal hospital if it happens during
office hours and get a quick blood draw.
Any other suggestion out there?
-Sharon
"Patch" <bob_acord@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4421761d$2$20137
>My question, where is a good site to draw blood? The last time she seized I
>tried getting blood on the back of her ears with a lancet, but wasn't able
>to get any blood. I also tried the inside of the ear flap. (all I need is
>one drop) Has anyone had any experience with this?
Don't know if this will help or not, but when footpads are cut they bleed
like no tomorrow.... tongues doubly so.
Me- I'd trim a nail.

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Deborah, DVM - 23 Mar 2006 14:18 GMT
> "Patch" <bob_acord@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4421761d$2$20137
>>My question, where is a good site to draw blood? The last time she seized
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> like no tomorrow.... tongues doubly so.
> Me- I'd trim a nail.
You can use the lancet on a footpad, and usually get a good sample. It's
painful, but if the dog is out of it during a seizure that might not matter!
It's a lot less painful than quicking a nail. The ear flap, at the very
margin, where you can see vessels, usually works, but is much easier on a
cat than a dog. To get a good sample from a dog, you probably need to shave
the inner ear flap, and then apply a warm compress for 5 minutes to increase
blood supply. You can also use the lancet on the inside of the gum, but
dogs rarely hold still for this procedure long enough for you to get the
blood to the monitor.
Then there are the issues with how accurate human glucometers are on
animals....but that's a whole other posting!
Has your vet run bloodwork at all on your dog? I'm assuming you have an
adult dog, and honestly low blood sugar is usually only a cause of seizures
in puppies or very small toy breeds. Liver problems can also cause
seizures, and abnormalities there would show up all the time. I usually
tell clients that the best time to run bloodwork is immediately after a
seizure, sometime within the first 30-60 minutes. While you might miss the
lowest point if the blood sugar is low, in a normal animal it often goes up
after a seizure (stress), so a low normal glucose might be significant. But
even bloodwork done in between episodes can rule out some major causes of
seizures. And give you a baseline in case you need to start medication.
Deborah, DVM