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Cheryl - 04 May 2006 03:31 GMT Just an observation, and a question if anyone has experience. My cat has been on it just over a month, so he's on an every other day dose. His appetite has increased a great deal. I also have a vomitter now (out of 4 cats) and I haven't seen who is doing it, but I suspect him. His vet (dermatologist) said side effects could be diarrhea, but he has no signs of that. Plus, I thought side- effects would show up soon after he started on it, not a month into this new treatment. He doesn't act sick, in fact none of my cats act sick enough to have such an upset tummy. The first few pukes I had to clean up had some food, but mostly foamy. Then a huge puke with a lot of fur and a lot of food in what looked like the fur came out after the food. So I thought "hair ball blockage; must be clear now". But 2 days later, another pile of puke with a lot of food, but no fur.
Due to the nature of the allergic cat's allergies, Depo shots or maybe a bubble (not seriously) are his only other choices for comfort. Atopica was a last resort sans steroid.
I've had cats that sometimes have seasonal rashes, and always subside when whatever irritant has gone away. This cat has been afflicted from the day he got here, came here with large open sores, and they don't go away without a depo shot about every 2 months, though depo *does* help temporarily. Not at all seasonal. Not food, had sensitivity testing done by a dermatologist and his allergies are dust, dust mites, several types of pollen, mold spores and cat dander. He's now nearly 5 years old.
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MarAzul - 04 May 2006 04:19 GMT > Just an observation, and a question if anyone has experience. My > cat has been on it just over a month, so he's on an every other day [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > clear now". But 2 days later, another pile of puke with a lot of > food, but no fur. *snip*
> Cheryl Your poor baby.. I've never personally seen cyclosporin used, but here are some listed side effects and long term reactions.
*The most common adverse effect of cyclosporine treatment is lack of appetite. Other adverse effects include vomiting, soft or mucoid stools and diarrhea.
*Prolonged use of cyclosporine can result in bacterial or fungal infection related to suppression of the immune system. This allows microorganisms that would normally be fought off to become disease-forming. It is recommended to treat all such infections prior to initiating therapy.
*Long-term use can also promote the development of cancers, such as a cancer of the lymph glands (lymphoma).
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Cheryl Sellner - 04 May 2006 04:34 GMT > Your poor baby.. I've never personally seen cyclosporin used, > but here are some listed side effects and long term reactions. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > *Long-term use can also promote the development of cancers, such > as a cancer of the lymph glands (lymphoma). Thanks for the reply. I wonder if the best course of treatment would be to go back on regular depo shots and just risk diabetes if he's predisposed to it. He's been on allergy shots for the last year, and while the dermatologist said this treatment helps about 85% of cats, he isn't in that group. It did cut back the amount of Depo shots he needed, but didn't eliminate the need. I just had a full bloodworkup done, and all values are in normal range, including BG, and as I've posted, he's had Depo shots practically every other month for 5 years. He's of normal steady weight (long cat, thin, tall, 11 lbs every single time he's been weighed.)
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@hotmail.com - 04 May 2006 08:50 GMT HOWEDY cheryl,
> Just an observation, and a question if anyone has experience. My > cat has been on it just over a month, so he's on an every other day [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > effects would show up soon after he started on it, not a month into > this new treatment. Adverse effects and interactions
Treatment may be associated with a number of potentially serious adverse drug reactions (ADRs) and adverse drug interactions. Cyclosporine interacts with a wide variety of other drugs and other substances including grapefruit juice, although there have been studies into the use of grapefruit juice to increase the blood level of cyclosporine.
ADRs can include gum hyperplasia, convulsions, peptic ulcers, pancreatitis, fever, vomiting, diarrhea, confusion, breathing difficulties, numbness and tingling, pruritus, high blood pressure, potassium retention and possibly hyperkalemia, kidney and liver dysfunction (nephrotoxicity & hepatotoxicity), and obviously an increased vulnerability to opportunistic fungal and viral infections.
> He doesn't act sick, in fact none of my cats act sick enough to have such > an upset tummy. The first few pukes I had to clean up had some food, > but mostly foamy. Then a huge puke with a lot of fur and a lot of food in > what looked like the fur came out after the food. So I thought "hair ball > blockage; EXXXCESSIVE self grooming / licking causes hairballs and is caused by STRESS <{) : ~ ) >
> must be clear now". But 2 days later, another pile of puke > with a lot of food, but no fur. Then it AIN'T a hariball, is it. Still could be stress.
> Due to the nature of the allergic cat's allergies, Depo shots or > maybe a bubble (not seriously) are his only other choices for > comfort. Atopica was a last resort sans steroid. Could be. Could maybe not be right for him.
> I've had cats that sometimes have seasonal rashes, and always > subside when whatever irritant has gone away. This cat has been [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > allergies are dust, dust mites, several types of pollen, mold > spores and cat dander. That cat dander allergy might be due to stress from other kats. Perahps you'll ask your veterinarian if you can bathe your kats and rinse them with Downy Fabric Softener to reduce dander.
> He's now nearly 5 years old. alt.med.veterinary, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.health,rec.pets.dogs.behavior,rec.pets.cats.health+behav The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard replied to your original post a month ago. Below you'll find some more in depth information which may heelp your kat. Please read the following dilligently <{) : ~ ) >
> -- > Cheryl
>From The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Subject: Atopica use in cats?
From: ThePuppyProp...@AniMail.Net - view profile Date: Fri, Dec 30 2005 9:44 pm
HOWEDY Cheryl,
> Greetings. Is anyone here experienced with the use of a new treatment > I found out today from our vet dermatologist called Novartis Atopica, > not with dogs (as was studied) but with cats? A DOG Is A Dog; As A KAT Is A KAT; As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY; As A CHILD IS A CHILD; As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES; As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
> Still battling allergic dermatitis with my poor cat (4 years old, has always > been affected by inhalent allergies from the day I got him, and apparently > before that since he was turned in to a shelter at 1 year old with a flare-up). Allergies are a SYMPTOM of a compromised auto immune system.
> The dermatologist said she's used it with cats, and its effects are > pretty quick; within the first month she said we'll know if it works > for my cat or not. She allergy tested him and he's been on allergy > shots since last May but still has flare-ups, though not as severe or > as frequently. IOW, the allergens are only PART of the PROBLEM.
> If the Atopica elliminates flare-ups, the high cost and > reduced stress (not having to inject serum 2x per week) > would be well worth it. Simply removing ALL stress from your kat's life will PROBABLY EXXXTINGUISH his allergy SYMPTOMS.
> Any experience with this here? Here's HOWE to remove STRESS from your kitty kat's life:
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> Thanks! You're welcome.
> -- > Cheryl Lorna kemble wrote:
> How big is the buster collar? Cone collars DO NOT make dogs HAPPY, Lorna:
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***
emovethis...@chello.nl> wrote in message:
My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and was causing an itch).
After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.
I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.
I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for somebody like me.
The minute he started to bite i trew my key's next to him on the floor, and praised him (he stopped biting and looked up when he heard the sound) I did this 7 times,
after that the tailbiting completely stopped. Just give the wits end method a try.
One of the possible downloadlocations is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
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> It may be best to get the next size up You mean INSTEAD of simply TRAINING the dog not to self mutilate?:
Disciple Paulie and Hennie REPORTED THEY CURED THE SAME SAME PROBLEM NEARLY INSTANTLY using EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC NON PHYSICAL Pavlovian / Ericksonian CONDITIONING.
LIKE THIS:
From: Paul B (a...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: dog chewing he paw raw. Date: 2004-01-01 22:19:01 PST
Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot somewhere on their bodies and I have always managed to train them to stop. In all cases there was nothing wrong that licking would have helped (Roz has had cut pads, stitches in her belly and skin irritations, all tempting her to lick), none of their licking has been due to any allergies. When I see the dog licking more than normal I look at the spot to see whats there and decide if a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see, keeping a close eye.
To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it some friendly banter, when it starts licking again I repeat, usually after about 4 times the dog stops, for the moment at least, if it starts again then repeat, before long the dog has no more desire to lick that spot at all.
Paul
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From: Hennie van Dalen Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing problem too. He had an itch due to blocked anal glands and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.
After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he chewed raw was itching) After some training (roughly the same methode as yours) he stopped. -- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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> and make sure it covers right over her nose, > so she would be unable to lick at all. That'll make the dog VERY unhappy.
> You can also get a bitter apple spray and spray it around the wound, The use of aversives is an ABOMINATION, Lorna, and DOES NOT train the dog to refrain from self mutilation.
> it is a nasty taste and usually prevents them licking as often. Oh. And THAT will endear the dog to his owner and calm and teach IT not to self-mutilate, Lorna?
> They do still try as they not learn it will taste bad=). Oh. You mean IT DOESN'T WORK. Furthermore, as aversives go, there's MUCH more EFFECTIVE aversives for occasions when the use of an aversive for temporary puporses is necessary to facillitate TRAININ the dog not to indulge in dangerHOWES behaviors like chewing electric cords etc.
> You can also apply normal aloe vera gel to wond if > she has made it sore. It helps ease/ smooth. Does THAT train the dog not to self-mutilate, Lorna?
The original poster's PROBLEM is the result of an EZily PREVENTABLE, opportunistic VIRUS, a stress induced auto-immune DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome, a FACT not commonly known to veterinary malpracticioners.
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@chello.nl> wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...
RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn something new: he wants me to bring along the can filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a "good dog", and never a "bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog, he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them), maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures
> http.//www.lornakemble.net/Work: > Trainee Veterinary Nurse THE VETERINARY CLINIC > Hobbies: Writing, photography, collecting postcards > (old and new), literature, cinema, travel, languages > (suomea), internet, listening to music, going gigs, > theatre, walking, cycling etc. It's PATHETIC that the veterinary malpractice industry is unaware / ignorant of EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC CONDITIONING and IGNORES / DENIES the corrolation between STRESS and CHRONIC DIS-EASE.
HOWEver, it's NOT unexpected, as to do otherWIZE would EXXXTINGUISH 90% of their veterinary malpractice industry i.e., the iatrogenic DIS-EASE BUSINESS <{): ~ ( >
Here's a EXXXCERPT from WON of the articles below:
Canine Acral Lick Dermatitis/Granuloma
While acral lick dermatitis (ALD/ALG) may be organic or psychogenic in origin, this discussion will limit consideration to psychogenic considerations.
A strong association appears to exist between licking and anxiety in dogs. Other psychogenic associations include inadequate social interaction, environmental stimulation, and opportunity for aerobic activity. As with over-grooming in cats, ALD may also be associated with displacement grooming in response to social or environmental stressors.
Compulsive behavior or states of anxiety may contribute to ALD in some patients. As with feline psychogenic alopecia, the occurrence and incidence of correlative behaviors to ALD in feral and wild canines is not known. *(On accHOWENT OF IT DON'T EXXXIST in REAL LIFE).
Other Presentations
Other behaviors focusing on specific body parts which may be of psychogenic origin include tail biting, flank sucking, preputial licking, self-nursing, licking in the anal region, and foot licking. Based on the evidence to date, these conditions represent the result of a heterogeneous array of underlying conditions, rather than specific dermatologic or behavioral diagnoses.
Attention seeking, displacement, self-injurious, compulsive, and other anxiety-related behaviors may lead to the establishment of these behaviors.
Seizure activity involving the amygdala and ventro-medial hypothalamus can result in stereotypic, self-directed, aggressive behaviors. The physiological sensation of pruritus may share common biochemical origins with some anxiety states, which support consideration of neuropsychodermatological etiologies.
Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer
Illness is directly related to depression and lack of adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens, McConville & Kaplan, 1966).
A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or CORTICOVISCERAL DIS- EASES was surveyed by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous importance of emotional factors in general health.
Interview findings of emotional material (recently experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free even though psychological tests failed to discriminate these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)
150 lung cancer patients showed significantly constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores. Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional expression is as highly related to cancer as urban residence and is more important than a chronic cough or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).
A ten year observation of all the women who developed cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities characterized by melancholy and extraversion, especially marked with those of an undecided body build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer may result from what appears to be a failure to grow-- somatically, behaviorally and psychologically (Grinker, 1966).
In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated with a number of losses or separations and with feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness. The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and hopelessness of running out of psychological resources (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin, Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).
Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups; (1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as collective panic and epilepsies; (2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro muscular systems.
It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING, to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of the standard six hour school day that I have been able to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of "EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING ULCERS.
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Behavioral Dermatology: Acral Lick Dermatitis, Psychogenic Alopecia, Hyperesthesia, & Related Conditions Vint Virga, DVM, Dipl. ACVB Behavioral Medicine for Animals SM Veterinary Healing Arts, Inc. New York / Newport
HOWEDY People,
Here's The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome. CAVEAT: The Amazing Puppy Wizard DOES NOT CONDONE or ENDORSE the good Doctor's METHODS for treating STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome. He's ONLY a veterinarian and there's ONLY THREE CURES for it and HE AIN'T GOT 'em.
Here's WON of 'em:
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Behavioral Dermatology: Acral Lick Dermatitis, Psychogenic Alopecia, Hyperesthesia, & Related Conditions Vint Virga, DVM, Dipl. ACVB Behavioral Medicine for Animals SM Veterinary Healing Arts, Inc. New York / Newport
Introduction
The practice of behavioral dermatology encompasses the diagnosis and management of a etiologically diverse set of disorders which phenotypically manifest with dermatologic presentations. Not only are primary behavioral etiologies included, but also primary dermatologic conditions with secondary or contributory behavioral components.
It is not uncommon, for example, for veterinary or human patients to experience anxiety, tension, or stress secondary to chronic or acute dermatologic conditions. Ultimately, it is the interplay between neurosensory, dermatologic, and behavioral components which contribute to the manifestation of clinical signs associated with psychocutaneous syndromes, including:
Self injurious behaviors
Compulsive disorders
Stereotypic behaviors
Displacement activities
Other anxiety related behaviors
Attention seeking behavior
Sensory Neuropathies
Psychotic Illnesses
A diagnosis of self-injurious behavior in small animals must meet the criteria of barbering or removal of hair and/or abrasion, petechiation, or ulceration of any body part using the teeth, tongue, claws, or an external substrate (e.g. rubbing against a wall). A condition for a diagnosis of SIB is that these behaviors must be demonstrated repeatedly and consistently in the absence of any primary dermatologic or physiologic condition.
In veterinary behavioral medicine, compulsive behaviors may be defined as sequences of movements which serve no obvious purpose or function and which occur repetitively, out-of-context or at an excessive frequency or duration, and in a relatively unvaried fashion. In most cases they are derived from behaviors which are part of the animal's normal behavioral repertoire.
While such behaviors in animals have been traditionally referred to as stereotypies, to establish a diagnosis of a compulsive disorder, the behavior must occur outside of its normal context or at a frequency or duration which exceeds that necessary to achieve a real or potential goal and must interfere with the patient's ability to function normally in its social environment.
Considering these criteria, it is evident that some patients presenting to the small animal practitioner may meet the conditions for both self-injurious behavior and compulsive disorder.
Compulsive behaviors associated with dermatologic signs are most commonly classified as grooming compulsive disorders, although some may be neurotic in origin. In canine patients these may include acral lick dermatitis/granuloma (ALD/ALG), flank sucking, tail chewing (which may or may not be associated with tail chasing), excessive chewing of the feet and/or nails, and excessive scratching.
Other compulsive behaviors observed in canine patients may be classified as hallucinatory (e.g. fly/light chasing, prey searching, staring); locomotor (e.g. circling, tail chasing, fence running); eating/drinking (e.g. fabric sucking, psychogenic polydypsia, some picas); vocal (e.g. rhythmic barking, barking at food or inanimate objects); or neurotic (e.g. vicious self-biting, spontaneous aggression to humans).
In feline patients compulsive behaviors associated with grooming include psychogenic dermatitis, feline hyperesthesia syndrome, and excessive chewing of the feet and/or nails. Other compulsive behaviors noted in feline patients may be categorized as in canine patients as hallucinatory (e.g. prey chasing or searching, air batting), locomotor (e.g. paw shaking, head shaking, pacing), vocalization (e.g. repetitive howling / crying), or neurotic (e.g. vicious self-biting, spontaneous aggression to humans).
A diagnosis of self-injurious behavior may be established independent of compulsive behavior. In the author's experience, a significant percentage of cases referred for consultation on potential compulsive grooming behavior do not meet the criteria for compulsive disorders.
Behavioral conditions presenting with dermatologic signs exclusive of compulsive disorders include some attention- seeking behaviors, feline hyperesthesia, and certain anxiety- related behaviors.
Anxiety may be defined as an apprehensive anticipation of future danger or misfortune accompanied by a feeling of dysphoria and/or somatic symptoms of tension.
Anxieties may be internally or externally focused and may be in response to real or perceived stimuli. Anxiety may result from motivational states of conflict (the tendency to simultaneously perform more than one type of activity) or frustration (engagement in a sequence of behaviors which cannot be completed because of physical or psychological obstacles).
Because of contributory factors of stress, pain, and pruritus associated with many lesions, a primary diagnosis of a behavioral disorder should only be made after thorough dermatologic and medical evaluation. Even with a presumptive behavioral diagnosis, after medical causes are ruled out, secondary dermatologic sequelae may develop as a result of chronic trauma to the skin.
Neurochemistry
Although anxiety, panic, and phobia disorders are related, different neuroanatomic models have been proposed for each. Complex neurochemical mechanisms involving dopaminergic, serotonergic, GABA-ergic, noradrenergic, and opioid systems may be involved in the manifestation of these disorders.
Numerous clinical studies and case reports have explored pharmacological manipulation of the above neurotransmitter systems in patients with anxiety-related conditions with varying results.
Differences in responses to pharmacotherapy may be reflective of individual variations in neuroanatomic and neurochemical function. Therefore, it is important that the clinician consider the underlying motivational state and possible neurochemical correlates when assigning behavioral diagnoses and recommending pharmacologic and behavioral management.
Clinical Presentations
Evaluation of patients presenting for dermatological conditions with suspected psychogenic components or origins should incorporate not only a broad-based medical work-up but also a careful review of the behavioral history and direct observation of the patient.
Table 1 provides a list of important considerations to address in the behavioral history. A videotape of the patient exhibiting any relevant problem behaviors recorded by the owner can provide valuable clues to the practitioner.
Stressful Environmental Conditions
It is not uncommon for both veterinary clients and practitioners to be concerned about "boredom" as a cause for compulsive, self- injurious, or anxiety related behaviors. While an assessment of boredom is anthropomorphic and most likely an oversimplification of the stresses a patient may be experiencing in relation to its physical and social environment, it is important and frequently contributory to the patient's presentation.
Stressors, which may contribute to the manifestation of anxiety- related, compulsive, and self-injurious behaviors, are noted in Table 2.
Behaviors that may be elicited in response to stress include changes in appetite, grooming behaviors, elimination patterns, social interaction, and activity.
Attention-Seeking Behavior
A significant percentage of cases referred for evaluation of compulsive or self-injurious behaviors are ultimately diagnosed as attention-seeking behaviors. Animals can readily learn that not only disruptive behaviors (e.g. barking, jumping, pawing, nuzzling), but also less directly demanding behaviors (e.g. limb/foot/preputial licking, chewing, scratching, sucking, pawing) often effectively get the client's attention.
The clients may have historically tried a variety of approaches to discourage such behaviors;
often such attempts include: varying degrees of physical and verbal corrections, comforting the patient with physical touch and verbal reassurances, banishment with physical and social isolation, and ignoring the behavior to varying degrees.
As the animal persists in the behavior, clients typically report that they eventually provide some form of attention; in so doing, the behavior can quite effectively be reinforced.
It is important for the client to recognize that any form of attention, even physical punishment, may serve to reinforce the problem behavior.
In establishing a diagnosis of attention-seeking behavior, a careful review of the history should reveal that the patient will only demonstrate the problem behavior in the immediate presence or close proximity of the client.
Observation of the patient at the time of consultation should reveal the behavior is dramatically reduced or non-existent when the clients (or, in some cases, all parties including the clinician) are absent.
Feline Psychogenic Alopecia (Over grooming)
Psychogenic alopecia is characterized by excessive self-grooming that is initiated or intensified by non-organic causes, or which persists beyond resolution of an organic cause. The predominant clinical sign is alopecia - particularly in the area of the medial forelegs, caudal abdomen, inguinal region, tail, and/or dorsal lumbar areas - in which medical causes have been ruled out.
Because cats may groom reclusively, excessive licking, biting, scratching, or rubbing may or may not be observed by the client. Barbering and/or frank alopecia may be the only dermatologic signs.
In other cases, self-mutilation with possible secondary bacterial infection may be evident. Symmetrical alopecia of the caudomedial thighs and ventrum may be observed. Lichenification and hyperpigmentation may develop in chronic cases.
A dermatitic form (atypical neurodermatitis) characterized by bright red, elongated, oval streaks or plaques may result from extensive grooming behavior.
Physical examination reveals: (1) short, broken hairs which are readily palpated by stroking the affected area against the normal angle of hair growth; (3) remaining hairs do not epilate easily; (4) microscopic evaluation of hairs reveal broken shafts; (5) hair re-growth occurs normally and lesions heal with placement of an Elizabethan collar, (6) significant amounts of hair upon fecal examination.
Licking of the hair and skin, nibbling, biting, facial rubbing of the forepaws, and scratching may all be observed in cats exhibiting normal grooming behavior.
Although they regularly self-groom, specific times and percentages relative to other behaviors are unknown for household cats. Beyond such basic purposes as cleansing, removal of parasites, and thermoregulation, grooming in cats may occur as a displacement behavior (an activity that is performed out of context as a result of frustration) in response to social or environmental stressors.
Displacement grooming may be rooted in anxiety and may serve to lower arousal, deflect aggression from other individuals, or provide some distraction for the cat.
While the occurrence of such behavior in feral or wildcat species is not known, incidences of psychogenic alopecia have been noted in captive wild cats. Psychogenic alopecia is reported to be more prevalent in strictly indoor cats. A possible common variable in both captive wild cats and indoor cats predisposing them to psychogenic alopecia may be limited environmental stimulation.
A seasonal incidence, even in indoor cats, can result as a result in changes in environmental and social stressors (e.g. accessibility / visibility of other cats).
Feline Hyperesthesia Syndrome
Feline hyperesthesia syndrome refers to a complex of behaviors which may include: (1) behaviors similar to those observed in estrous females (e.g. increased motor activity, rolling, crouching with elevation of the perineal region, vocalizations); (2) excessive licking, plucking, biting, and/or chewing, particularly at the tail, flank, anal, or lumbar areas; (3) rippling of the skin, muscle spasms, or twitches (especially dorsally), which may be accompanied by vocalization, running, jumping, possible hallucinations, or self- directed aggression.
Affected cats tend to be difficult to distract from the behavior, or, if successfully distracted, remain so for only a short period of time.
As with feline psychogenic alopecia, environmental and social stressors have been associated with this disorder. The cues or changes precipitating the behavior may be endogenous. Cats may present with clinical signs consistent with hyperesthesia without evidence of alopecic or other dermatologic lesions.
Review of the behavioral history may further support a lack of excessive grooming. Such cases support the hypothesis that this complex of behaviors may represent a number of discretely different phenomena. While not currently discussed in the veterinary literature, based on clinical syndromes observed in human patients, it may be worthwhile to consider hallucinatory, rheumatologic, or neurogenic origins in future research.
Canine Acral Lick Dermatitis/Granuloma
While acral lick dermatitis (ALD/ALG) may be organic or psychogenic in origin, this discussion will limit consideration to psychogenic considerations.
A strong association appears to exist between licking and anxiety in dogs. Other psychogenic associations include inadequate social interaction, environmental stimulation, and opportunity for aerobic activity. As with over-grooming in cats, ALD may also be associated with displacement grooming in response to social or environmental stressors.
Compulsive behavior or states of anxiety may contribute to ALD in some patients. As with feline psychogenic alopecia, the occurrence and incidence of correlative behaviors to ALD in feral and wild canines is not known. *(On accHOWENT OF IT DON'T EXXXIST in REAL LIFE).
Among domestic dogs, certain breeds appear to be over-represented - Labrador retrievers, Great Danes, Doberman pinchers, German shepherds, and some northern breeds - with some evidence of familial inheritance. This may be reflective not only of a genetic component, but also selection pressures placed on these breeds reflecting their affiliative work and social relationships with humans.
Other Presentations
Other behaviors focusing on specific body parts which may be of psychogenic origin include tail biting, flank sucking, preputial licking, self-nursing, licking in the anal region, and foot licking. Based on the evidence to date, these conditions represent the result of a heterogeneous array of underlying conditions, rather than specific dermatologic or behavioral diagnoses.
Attention seeking, displacement, self-injurious, compulsive, and other anxiety-related behaviors may lead to the establishment of these behaviors.
Seizure activity involving the amygdala and ventro-medial hypothalamus can result in stereotypic, self-directed, aggressive behaviors. The physiological sensation of pruritus may share common biochemical origins with some anxiety states, which support consideration of neuropsychodermatological etiologies.
Clinical Management
Considering the heterogeneous and potentially multifactorial origins of compulsive, self-injurious, and anxiety-related behaviors, clinical management should incorporate consideration of environmental stimuli, social stimuli, the motivational state of the animal, and underlying neurophysiological mechanisms in developing a treatment plan.
A hypothesis incorporating the above, which can account for the patient's dermatological and behavioral manifestations, provides a rational starting point from which a program of environmental, behavioral, and pharmacological management can be based.
Environmental Management
Since the patient's environment may frequently contribute to the establishment of OCD, SIB, and anxiety-related behaviors, it is important to manipulate the environment so as to eliminate stressors and conflict-producing stimuli.
If this is not possible, systematic desensitization should be employed to minimize the effect of the environment. Client resistance is often encountered and creativity is often needed when proposing environmental changes.
The client must be committed to proposed changes in the environment before employing behavioral and pharmacological management.
Behavior Modification
Counter-conditioning and desensitization provide the framework of behavior modification. Counter-conditioning consists of teaching the patient new behaviors which are incompatible with the problem behavior. Since SIB, compulsive disorders, and related behaviors are often based in anxiety, it is often most effective to select for behaviors which encourage relaxation.
Desensitization consists of reinforcing the selected new behaviors while very gradually introducing provocative circumstances and environments. Clients commonly wish to progress more rapidly than the patient can effectively accept. Patience, consistency, and commitment on the part of the client are critical for success to effectively support performance of the new behaviors in the face of increasingly provocative stimuli. For desensitization to be effective the patient must accept the direction and leadership of the client.
Deference to the client can be established through routine and regular reinforcement of leadership on a daily basis. This can be effectively and gently achieved through asking the animal to sit for all routine interactions with the client (i.e. receiving attention, love, meals and treats; grooming and petting; interactive play; going outdoors / coming inside).
Withdrawal of attention is an effective, gentle correction for failure of deference. In all phases of counter-conditioning and desensitization, appropriate responses are effectively supported with encouragement and small food rewards as positive reinforcement. Rewarding the patient at any time when he/she is not exhibiting the problem behavior and is relaxed can further support counter- conditioning.
Massage therapy, when the patient is relaxed, can further facilitate relaxation and encourage appropriate interaction between the animal and client. The above techniques are not limited to application in dogs, but can be effectively employed with cats and other species with appropriate modification.
Client responses to the patient, particularly when they are performing the problem behavior, can be problematic. Despite their history and experience of the problem behavior, the client should never express their frustration in any way in the presence of the patient.
Doing so may reinforce any anxiety which the animal may be experiencing. Neither should the client provide any measure of comfort - verbal, physical, or emotional - to the patient while performing the problem behaviors. Attention-seeking behaviors are based on the response of the client or, in some cases, other people. Attempts to distract the behavior or even aversive responses may be preferred by some animals and may reinforce the observed behavior.
Interactive activity and opportunities for aerobic exercise can be critical components of behavioral modification. Exercise and mental stimulation in cats can be encouraged with a bit of creativity. Opportunities for environmental and social enrichment may include: augmenting accessible three dimensional space; adding window perches, sisal wrapped scratching posts, and "kitty condominiums"; varying the location and availability of limited resources (e.g. resting places); providing an ample variety of both purchased and homemade toys; scattering food into small portions throughout the house or employing intermittent feeding devices; playing with clients utilizing "fishing lure" type toys, laser pens, and other stimulating games; and training "trick" behaviors through shaping with a secondary reinforcer (e.g. clicker).
Agility, fly ball, and freestyle provide dogs the opportunity for interactive, aerobic activity with the clients beyond traditional activities such as field work, sheep herding, Frisbee tossing, ball retrieving, and running / jogging.
Interactive exercise can facilitate desensitization to anxiety producing situations by expose the dog to a variety of potentially provocative stimuli while providing something else on which to focus.
Interaction with the dog in such activities also provides something to which he/she can look forward, encourages mental and physical agility, and serves to enhance the relationship between the dog and the client.
Pharmacologic Support
Rational use of pharmacologic support can substantially enhance the effects of behavioral and environmental modification in patients with anxiety-related behaviors, compulsive disorders, and SIB. Management of patients diagnosed with attention-seeking behavior should be limited to behavioral and environmental modification unless the underlying motivation is based in anxiety.
Pharmacotherapeutic agents should be selected to specifically address the motivational state of the patient and a proposed underlying neurophysiological mechanism of action. With few exceptions, the application of psychotropic medications to veterinary behavioral medicine constitutes extra-label use.
It is important to note that extra-label use requires compliance with pre- medication data bases routinely used in human medicine. Hepatic metabolism and renal clearance of these compounds further supports pre-medication assessment of serum biochemistry, CBC, and thyroid function.
Psychotropic medications, as a category, may affect thyroid hormone concentrations, potentiate cardiac arrhythmias, potentiate epileptiform seizures, and increase hepatic enzyme activities (particularly SAP). Practitioners are well advised to become familiar with the specific indications, contraindications, side effects and pharmacodynamics of psychotropics which they wish to employ.
Amitriptyline (Elavil®) and doxepin (Adapin®, Sinequan®) are tricyclic antidepressants (TCA's) which are utilized in human and veterinary medicine as an anxiolytics. Both exert their primary clinical effects by inhibiting the pre-synaptic reuptake of serotonin and norepinephrine to varying degrees. Both have antihistaminic properties brought about by their ability to block H1 and H2 receptors. Amitriptyline equally affects H1 and H2 receptors while doxepin is much more selective for H1 receptors. These medications, particularly amitriptyline, also effectively block muscarinic cholinergic receptors resulting in anticholinergic side effects. Additional reported side effects include weight gain, transient sedation (particularly in cats), gastrointestinal disturbances, potential cardiac conduction disturbances and a suggested role in sick euthyroid syndrome at higher doses.
Contraindications may include hepatic, renal, or cardiac disease. This class of drugs should not be administered concurrently with MAOI's, selegiline (Anipryl®), or L-tryptophan. Amitriptyline is a first choice medication for anxiolytic therapy because of the relative cost and rate of clinical response relative to most psychotropic medications. It has distinct disadvantages of having a particularly bitter taste and a narrow therapeutic index associated with a high rate of toxicity with overdose. For patients in which dermatitis, neuralgia, or pain is associated with an anxiety related condition, the antihistaminic properties of these compounds combined with their noradrenergic effects (and the potential role of norepinephrine in managing neurogenic inflammation) can prove to be quite effective in managing clinical signs.
Clomipramine (Clomicalm®) is a TCA which is relatively more serotonergic and less anticholinergic than previously mentioned medications. Clomicalm® has been approved by the FDA for use in dogs in the management of separation anxiety and may be an effective aid in the management of other anxiety-related behaviors. Clomipramine is also the only TCA which has documented efficacy in the management of compulsive behaviors in both humans and animals. As a tricyclic antidepressant, potential side effects and contraindications of clomipramine are similar to those of other medications in that class.
Fluoxetine (Prozac®) and paroxetine (Paxyl®), as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI's), share a common mechanism of action of being serotonergic without substantially affecting the reuptake of norepinephrine or dopamine. The relatively specific action of SSRI's is associated with fewer side effects. Adverse effects reported with SSRI's include increased anxiety, restlessness, insomnia, weight loss, gastrointestinal disturbances, and alterations in cardiac conduction. Despite the relative serotonin specificity of SSRI's compared to clomipramine, they appear to be equally effective in the management of OCD. As with TCA's, SSRI's should not be administered concurrently with MAOI's, selegiline, or L-tryptophan.
Contraindications may include hepatic, renal, or cardiac disease. Paroxetine is the most potent SSRI available, but it does have some anticholinergic effects. Metabolism of paroxetine is unique in that almost no active metabolites are produced. This feature may favor the administration of paroxetine in elderly patients or animals with liver or kidney disease.
Table 1: Important Considerations in the Behavioral History Detailed description of the patient's behavior immediately prior to, during, and after eliciting problem behavior Chronology, incidence, and progression of problem behavior.
Ease with which problem behavior may be interrupted and tendency for return to behavior Locations, circumstances, and potential eliciting stimuli associated with the problem behavior Review of other problem behaviors Review of home environment including all persons and animals in household Presence of the client(s), other people, and other animals in relation to animal when behavior occurs Responses of the client(s), other people, and other animals in relation to the problem behavior Patient's background including adoption source, familial history, early temperament/behavior of patient, and history of obedience work.
Interactions with familiar and unfamiliar household guests Dietary history including consideration of who feeds patient and review of feeding schedule Daily routine of patient in relation to other human and animal members of household Specific types, amount, and frequency of exercise Specific form, duration, and frequency of interaction with client(s) and other people Notation of sleeping location and favorite resting places Review of medical history with notation of any current medications being administered
Table 2: Potential Environmental & Social Stressors Inadequate mental stimulation Inadequate aerobic exercise Inadequate interaction with family or other pets Limited access to essential resources Social Isolation Overcrowding Status-related conflicts Territorial-related conflicts Addition or loss of family members or pets Changes in health status of family members or pets Changes in daily routine of family members or pets New home / environment Changes in physical environment Boarding Hospitalization
Cheryl - 05 May 2006 02:58 GMT On Thu 04 May 2006 03:50:19a, wrote in alt.med.veterinary (news:1146729019.686371.265850@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com):
> HOWEDY cheryl, Hello Jerry. *sigh*
> Adverse effects and interactions > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > into the use of grapefruit juice to increase the blood level of > cyclosporine. Are there any links you can provide for references (the ADRs)? I don't think I have to worry about grapefruit, but I'm curious about other interactions. I did some google searches and they didn't produce anything helpful, but the information may not be publically available. Blood levels of cyclosporine when used for atopic dermatitis mean nothing because it is the level in the skin that matters, according to what I've read. Skin levels can't be measured, unless the articles I read are out-dated. I'd love to know if they can, and what is the optimum level?
> ADRs can include gum hyperplasia, convulsions, peptic ulcers, > pancreatitis, fever, vomiting, diarrhea, confusion, breathing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > obviously an increased vulnerability to opportunistic > fungal and viral infections. Dermatologist said it won't leave him an immune system cripple, but what you wrote made me find a couple of articles about the possible risks of him having modified-live vaccines during treatment. He's an indoor cat, and I'm afraid of "over-vaccination", but I'm also afraid of not vaccinating at all. So, thanks for mentioning that.
> EXXXCESSIVE self grooming / licking causes hairballs > and is caused by STRESS <{) : ~ ) > So does exxxcessive itching.
> That cat dander allergy might be due to stress from other kats. What are your sources of this?
> Perahps you'll ask your veterinarian if you can bathe your kats > and rinse them with Downy Fabric Softener to reduce dander.
>> He's now nearly 5 years old. > > alt.med.veterinary, alt.animals.dog, > rec.pets.dogs.health,rec.pets.dogs.behavior,rec.pets.cats.health+ > behav The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard replied to your > original post a month ago. Well, you're in my killfile more often than you're not, and I only caught this post because you escaped again, and I noticed the subject line. You provided some helpful information but I need further reading to validate it. Plus, I was hoping to find someone who has actually tried treating their itchy kitty with this drug, which is why I repeated it. I see new posters all the time, and they may not have been here when I originally posted. Plus, the vomiting is new.
Below you'll find some more in depth
> information which may heelp your kat. Please read the following > dilligently <{) : ~ ) > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}> > <{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}> I tried to read it, but it was just too difficult. I gave up after a couple of paragraphs. Nothing related to my question, and the misspelled words and cutesy trying-to-be-clever capitalized words (and only parts of the words) were just too distracting.
>> Thanks! > > You're welcome.
 Signature Cheryl
Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp@HotMail.Com - 05 May 2006 20:40 GMT Hello cheryl, lovely child of Allah,
This post should be part of an FAQ if anyone ever puts one together. :)
> On Thu 04 May 2006 03:50:19a, wrote in alt.med.veterinary > (news:1146729019.686371.265850@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com): > > > HOWEDY cheryl, > > > Hello Jerry. I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp have chosen to speak on behalf of Allah and Jerry Howe, The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard as HE has been very busy researching past CASE HISTORY FORENSIC EVIDENCE of animal abuse and veterinary malpractices.
> *sigh* Ahhh, looks like you're havin the same obsessive compulsive disorder Handsome Jack Morrison aka tommy sorenson aka joey finnochiarrio aka DOGMAN has been havin. Perhaps you should tend to it to prevent it from progressing, as ALL temperament and behavior problems which are avoided, ignored or repressed tend to do. Jack's OCD now includes erratic uncontrollable shivers and spitting and FHOWEL language. Better tend to it so's it don't negatively impact your life an career.
> > Adverse effects and interactions Treatment may be associated > > with a number of potentially serious adverse drug reactions <SNIP>
> Are there any links you can provide for references (the ADRs)? I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_ CorpJUST SEZ "NO!" to potentially lethal unnecessary pharmacuticals sold to unsuspecting infidels by veterinary malpracticioners.
You can CURE 90% of ALL DIS-EASE by wearing your Buster Brown Heeling Shoes and walking toe to heel, "STEP BY STEP" as Jack Morrison sez, with Allah. The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard asked me to advise you that HE was working goin on 24 hours straight at 4 a.m. and couldn't SEE clearly enough to read any more "medical" data on the web to do your research for you to save your deathly ill kittys life from your veterinary malpracticioners.
> I don't think I have to worry about grapefruit, but I'm curious > about other interactions. I did some google searches and they > didn't produce anything helpful, but the information may not be > publically available. As with ALL INFIDELS, they will NEVER tell you the TRUTH. That's HOW COME I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_ Corp have made millions of Buster Brown Heeling Shoes available to all our kat and dog loving friends and a FREE COPY of Muhammeds Koran for your edification so you too, can walk toe to heel "STEP BY STEP" as Jack Morrison asks, with Allah.
> Blood levels of cyclosporine when used for atopic dermatitis > mean nothing because it is the level in the skin that matters, > according to what I've read. Skin levels can't be measured, > unless the articles I read are out-dated. I'd love to know if > they can, and what is the optimum level? Perhaps insetad, you should read:
"Unrecognized Endocrine-Immune Defects In Multiple DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) >"
LikeWIZE:
"Stress, Cortisol / Interluken-6, = The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME "
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/fpkc2
> > ADRs can include gum hyperplasia, convulsions, peptic ulcers, > > pancreatitis, fever, vomiting, diarrhea, confusion, breathing [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > an indoor cat, and I'm afraid of "over-vaccination", but I'm also > afraid of not vaccinating at all. So, thanks for mentioning that. Your veterinary and veterinary dermatologist haven't been able to CURE your deathly ill critters. IN FACT, their DRUGS and advice are the CAUSE of your deathly ill kitt's conditions.
> > EXXXCESSIVE self grooming / licking causes hairballs > > and is caused by STRESS <{) : ~ ) >
> So does exxxcessive itching. The EXXXCESSIVE ITCHING is likeWIZE CAUSED BY STRESS.
The Freaking Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you can EXXXTINGUISH STRESS by studying and PRECISELY following the INSTRUCTIONS in HIS FREE MANUAL. But I, Richard_Reid- Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp do NOT believe THAT claim. IN FACT, I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._ Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp believe The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard MAY BE an INFIDEL.
You can CURE ALL temperament and behavior and 90% of DIS-EASE by wearing a pair of my Buster Brown Heeling Shoes and following the teachings of Muhammed in your own FREE COPY of the Holy Koran.
> > That cat dander allergy might be due to stress from other kats. > > What are your sources of this? Allergies are CAUSED BY a compromised auto-immune system. The auto-immune system is COMPROMISED by STRESS from MISHANDLING and TOXINS like your veterinary malpracticioner sells you.
> > Perahps you'll ask your veterinarian if you can bathe your kats > > and rinse them with Downy Fabric Softener to reduce dander. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Well, you're in my killfile more often than you're not, INDEED? If ALL temperament and behavior problems are caused by MISHANDLING and IATROGENICS, then there's EXXXCELLENT cause to KILLFILE the INFORMAION that INFIDEL "Puppy Wizard" has been chokin everyone with.
THAT'S HOW COME I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_ Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp have made millions of Buster Brown Heeling Shoes available to all our kat and dog loving friends along with a FREE COPY of Muhammeds Koran for your edification.
> and I only caught this post because you escaped again, I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp will provide The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard with his own FREE pair of Buster Brown Heeling Shoes and a FREE COPY of Muhammeds Koran for his edification so he can walk toe to heel "STEP BY STEP" with Allah.
> and I noticed the subject line. You provided some helpful > information but I need further reading to validate it. I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp have spent SEVERAL HOURS reserching YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY which WILL VERIFY EVERYTHING, cheryl. ALL your critters have VERY LONG POSTED CASE HISTORIES of chronic stress induced auto-immune DIS-EASES aka Allah's Syndrome.
> Plus, I was hoping to find someone who has actually > tried treating their itchy kitty with this drug, It SEZ in Muhammeds Holy Koran that you can EXXXTINGUISH itching through PRAISE IN ADVANCE and apupriate Pavlovian and Ericksonian conditioning.
PRAISE Allah!
DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!
> which is why I repeated it. INDEED.
> I see new posters all the time, They got THE SAME PROBLEMS. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE.
> and they may not have been here when I originally posted. I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp will provide them with their own Buster Brown Heeling Shoes and FREE COPY of Muhammeds Holy Koran so they too, can walk toe to heel "STEP BY STEP" with Allah and CURE their critters heelth and temperament and behavior problems.
> Plus, the vomiting is new. INDEED?
> > Below you'll find some more in depth information which may > > heelp your kat. Please read the following dilligently <{) : ~ ) > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I tried to read it, but it was just too difficult. > I gave up after a couple of paragraphs. You mean the couple paragraphs STATING that ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING which Allah CALLS ABUSE, cheryl. I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing- Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp will provide you three pairs of Buster Brown Heeling Shoes, 1 pair of SPORT Shoe, 1 pair of formal high heeled Shoe and 1 pair of work boot shoe.
PLEASE DO NOT EXXXPOSE them to EXXXCESSIVE heat or open flames.
> Nothing related to my question, You mean THIS?:
"If you can't train ALL behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY withHOWET PAIN FEAR FORCE BRIBERY AVOIDANCE CRATING or INTIMIDATION you're using an ineffective method or you're doin it wrong."
> and the misspelled words and cutesy trying-to-be-clever > capitalized words (and only parts of the words) were just > too distracting. You mean THIS?:
"The fameHOWES horse trainer Monty Roberts AGREES, and teaches similar techniques, begining with his version of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Family Ledership Exercise, "The Join-Up".
Monty's 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL techniques likeWIZE teaches us to "JOIN UP" with the horse as The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches you to do with your dog, using EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL PSYCHOLOGICAL TECHNIQUES and PRINCIPLES of behavior as taught in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'End Dog Training Method Manual.
Monty sez abHOWET bribery and food luring: he's "NEVER seen a horse run to the next blade of grass." Monty teaches UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST GENTLENESS and CONSISTENTCY and applies his techniques to problem children he fosters at his ranch, as well as doin business consultation for managemet personell of corporations.
Monty has FHOWEND as The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ:
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys." Chief Dan George
The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Safe Effective Results For All Handler's And All Critters, ALL OVER THE WHOWEL WILD WORLD, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{): ~ ) >
You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT or CHILD in a few minutes to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON'T follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat and child abusing MENTAL CASES you're askin for HEELP.
A DOG Is A Dog; As A KAT Is A KAT; As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY; As A CHILD IS A CHILD; As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES; As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways; To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment Which We Create For Them.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
"It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value."
Like a confessor Priest?
"With him, words play no torturing tricks..., " --John Galsworthy.
Don't bet your dog won't tell on you... Their behaviors reflect HOWER words, actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
And that's when you QUIT on accHOWENT of your guilty conscience just couldn't take any more ENLIGHTENMENT.
LIKE THIS:
"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action as separate, not the wise.
If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
The level which is reached by wisdom is attained through right action as well.
He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature, indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then?
The love and hate which are aroused by the objects of sense arise from Nature, do not yield to them. They only obstruct the path," - - Bhagavad Gita, adapted by Krishna with permission from His FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~ )
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear, Hate, Reflex, Self Will, Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice, Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment, Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness, Aversion, Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion, Change, Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition, And Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.
YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.
It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
I, Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp APOLOGIZE for the INFIDEL "puppy wizard's" use of UNHOLY LANGUAGE and ROUGH SPELLIN.
> -- > Cheryl Here's a little of your own POSTED CASE HISTORY.
EVERY BEHAVIOR PROBLEM YOUR CRITTERS GOT CAN BE CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY using your own Buster Brown Shoes and studying Muhammed;s Holy Koran.
Richard_Reid-Exec.V.P._Marketing-Director_Buster_Brown_Shoe_Corp
Hi Allison. I think behavior diversions and modifications have sadly been played out. I just don't see how I can keep trying to change a behavior that is replaced quickly with another one. For example, how he used to attack me and then switched to attacking Bonnie. This has been going on, and progressively getting worse since Shadow was sick. I had to separate him from Shadow, too, because Shadow was too ill to have to run from Shamrock. He just doesn't seem to be wired right.
A month or so ago the thread about "Tattle Tale" came up and I thought it was a neat way to either alert me that one of the new kittens was on a counter, or deter. It didn't deter (they weren't fazed) but it at least let me know one or both was up on a counter and it seemed useful for when I was cooking something where I'm not standing in the kitchen the whole time.
Problem - the shrill sound sets Shamrock off and he will tackle and bite the neck, and hold down any cat he sees, whether it is one on the counter, or not. Now, any sound like that he hears sets him off. It could be my pager (it goes off a lot these days, work related) or a shrill sound from the TV.
This boy is on the edge! He's making life miserable with his chasing Bonnie for no good reason and trapping her under my bed where she doesn't want to come out because he's standing guard, and now he's even going after the kittens who he has adored!
But from the start, he's always seemed to be very cat friendly. He helped socialize Bonnie. She adored him, and was one of the sole reasons that she accepted me, I believe. He took the kittens "under his wing" and mothered them. He still adores Scarlett but he was attacking Rhett tonight and howling at him. He also attacks Scarlett out of the blue, and he did so tonight.
I keep him separate during the day so that he doesn't terrorize everyone, and give him lots of attention when I'm home, and most nights I keep him in my room when I sleep, to both keep him from terrorizing Bonnie, and to give him more attention. I wrote a couple of years ago about whether he was a candidate for Prozac,
I don't know what else to do! He seemed to be good with the kittens, and I figured it would work out with Bonnie, given some separation. But with him going after the kittens now, I just don't know what to do. He just doesn't seem to be able to be happy[1] with anything.
He has always had aggression problems. He used to take it out on Shadow (RB) and I used to think it was because he could sense that Shadow was sick and weak. He used to also take out his aggression on me. He had me trapped to a spot because he'd attack my legs. I got a laser pointer and used to have to carry it around with me to divirt him when I wanted to walk across the room when he was "in a mood". He's gotten better about attacking me. I guess he's just found new victims.
Shadow passed away today after 2 years since his IBD diagnosis. Shamrock is the cat who at age 3-1/2 years now has always had skin problems that are only eased with steroid shots (Depo). It's still not clear what his trigger is, but it's starting to seem even more idiopathic and emotional.
She adores Rhett. Scarlett has a tendency to be a bit mean to her. Scarlett sometimes chases her when the boys chase her; Bonnie doesn't like being chased. But she doesn't retreat under my bed when the kittens chase her like she does when Shamrock chases her. I guess she remembers when they were tiny kittens and they aren't as much of a threat.
I don't think she understands when Shamrock gets so mean to her because he adored her so when she was still in the cage, and all that time when Shadow was still alive.
I wonder how I'd get all three of mine downstairs, though Bonnie is getting better about following me around the house so as long as she isn't totally freaked, she'd probably follow me. Shadow and Shamrock can be grabbed.
Shamrock is on the bottom perch of the cat tree, sharpening his claws on the post between bottom perch and perch above. Bonnie is on the floor pawing the back of his legs. Paw... paw... (Shamrock ignores her, keeps on scratching). Paw ... paw ... All of a sudden, Shamrock is done and lightning fast he pounces on her. Bonnie does a sommorsault flip across the floor to get away, retreats to the kitchen (the safe place). All she has to do to Shadow to get a rise is lift a paw at him and he runs to me for protection. lol
-- I am seeing fear-induced aggression here in my house recently. I'm not sure how it started but given recent encounters, I think it was a very fast-
moving former-feral (Bonnie) scaring Shadow (very laid back, usually but quick to become afraid) to where he probably hissed at her and now every time she sees him she aggressively attacks. I don't know what goes on when I'm at work or otherwise not home, but what I see when I'm home is now a scaredy cat (Shadow) whenever Bonnie approaches him even if it isn't in an aggressive manner.
> Redirect inappropriate scratching to appropriate things and make > inappropriate things less attractive (scent them with citrus or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > penny-can, etc), then call, coax, or bring them to the right > place, and PRAISE THEM. It isn't rocket science, I promise.
> Remember -- inappropriate or "wrong" are simply human > definitions. The cat doesn't attach a monetary value to your > couch.
> You don't expect a dog not to chew the "wrong" things or a child > not to draw on the "wrong" things simply by osmosis. Don't > expect a cat to just not claw the "wrong" things, either. Teach > it. Nicely put. This post should be part of an FAQ if anyone ever puts one together. :)
-- Cheryl
> Steroids do make people and cats aggressive. I have to > occasionally give them to Elmer, and I always hold my breath > because he is a very aggressive cat.
> When I need to take steroids for poison ivy, I experience road > rage. I scare myself. That wasn't something I was expecting... so the Depo shots for his skin problems could be the cause of his aggression?
-- Cheryl
I've read some about Ketamine and that was what caused Shadow to almost die when he had a biopsy
Hi Allison. I think behavior diversions and modifications have sadly been played out. I just don't see how I can keep trying to change a behavior that is replaced quickly with another one. For example, how he used to attack me and then switched to attacking Bonnie. This has been going on, and progressively getting worse since Shadow was sick. I had to separate him from Shadow, too, because Shadow was too ill to have to run from Shamrock. He just doesn't seem to be wired right.
I wrote about how I asked these questions a year or so ago, but when all of the suggestions came up about drugs, I wasn't ready to go that route. Things aren't better even though he gets a lot of attention, and we regularly have the vet treat his skin problems to keep him from being miserably itchy. It's not fleas. Flea treatments were tried like clockwork for a year. It could be an environmental trigger, or even food. But we just can't narrow it down. I'm honestly not even sure there is a relationship between his itchy skin and aggression. He is worse now than he's ever been and his skin is clear. I don't discount trying to find the behavioral trigger. Not at all. But after all of this time, poor Bonnie is suffering because she's "not allowed" out of my bedroom because he has a serious problem with her.
Thanks for the reply. I'm still not sure whether steroids could be causing aggression - many mixed answers to it. Though, there aren't any other solutions to his skin problems. :(
-- Cheryl
Ok, its been about 3 timeouts for Shamrock tonight. I just don't get it
with him. He has these moods where he relentlessly attacks Shadow (and me!) and tonight is one of those nights. It is like he is possessed and will not ignore; leave him alone; go find something else to do. We played earlier with toys, and I had him on my lap for a while and he snoozed, and since then he's been horrible to Shadow, and also keeps attacking my ankles when I try to walk across the room. I am starting to wonder if that is the connection? When he gets lots of attention? It is just about time for me to call it a night and based on his mood tonight I wonder if I should put him downstairs for the night? (fully finished lower level; just like being
upstairs only I'm not down there). His allergy spots are doing well since he had a steroid shot a couple weeks ago (and his regular checkup) so it isn't like his skin itching is tormenting him..........sigh
-- Cheryl
Shamrock is now on Clomicalm (clomipramine).
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BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!!
Picasso - 21 Jun 2006 09:55 GMT All I can do is shake my head at this story, and ask why would someone put up with that
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