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HOWEDY Crystal aka starrkssd and Starr,

The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard was afraid you wasn't
gonna post nomore to The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums after having been
received so poorly and treated so hostilely by HOWER
DOG LOVERS <{); ~ ) >

Thanks for stickin arHOWEND!

INDEEDY. steve was only doin what he'd been TAUGHT:

"We've always tried to educate our kids in positive ways
as much as possible, though I also think that ruling out
the possibility of corporal punishment is a mistake - the
kids rarely get smacked (and being grounded etc is more
effective at their ages anyway), but they definitely *do*
understand punishment, and what they're being punished for."

all in keepin with his OPINION of HOWE children should be
raised, accordin to the very best ANAL-ytic behavioral
advice from university professors of Master's Degree in
behavior courses:

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 1999/12/21
Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer

In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"

<j...@cfl.rr.com> writes:

First, I punish behavior, not dogs.

Second, I rarely issue corrections.

Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.

I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
such dog behavior offensive.  Eating dog poop, for me, is
another story. And the rate of that behavior has also
diminished with time. :-)

--Marshall

INDEEDY. Almost was, as it has been for many of
professor dermer and his punk thug coward mental
case pal followers:

HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:

Yeah. It's a NEUROTIC behavior LEARNED from bein
PUNISHED for shittin in the HOWES, matty.

Your own dog GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, REMEMBER matty?

You mean, INSTEAD of just TRAINING the dog NOT TO EAT
sh.t in just a couple moments of using brief variably
alternating non physical distractions instantly followed
by PROLONGED NON PHYSCIAL praise, matty?

THAT NEVER WORKS, matty.

THAT'S INSANE, matty.

What it's WORTH is NUTHIN. YOU GOT NO ADVICE. Your own
DEATHLY ILL DOG Rocky GOT THE SAME PROBLEM on accHOWENT
of you ABUSE him, matty. What it's WORTH are DEATHLY ILL
and DEAD DOGS, matty.

You got NO METHOD to TRAIN the dog NOT TO DO IT, matty.

You got any TRAININ suggestions, matty?

You think the dog will FORGET to eat poo when IT can't be
forced and jerked and choked not to do that someMOORE?

HOWE is THAT gonna TRAIN the dog NOT TO EAT sh.t, matty?

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

HOWE, matty? HOWE do you AVOID FROZEN / DRIED sh.t, matty?

So you LOCK THE DOG IN A BOX, matty.

That so?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

"I wouldn't do anything because Friday would
correct him more appropriately than I ever
could. I'd separate them or watch them closely.
If I can catch them at it before the behaviour
itself becomes rewarding, I use my marker word.
If I can catch them even earlier (when the intent
to commit misbehaviour is forming in their evil
minds), distraction works.  The latter works
better than the former when it comes to their
protecting me from the mailman.  Management,
redirection, distraction, aversives, Paula's
socks, combinations thereof - it's all good,"
matt. Rocky's my epileptic dog.

Amen Brother Matt!! :-)

--Marshall

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 1999/07/14
Subject: Re: Puppy adolescence

In article <378CB7A8.757C6...@earthlink.net>

jillbr...@earthlink.net
writes:

My dog almost always comes when called. I would assume
that this is because coming is often consequated with
some form of reinforcement like food, petting, the
opportunity to play a game, etc.

But there are some times when he does not come.

These are infrequent. What do I do? I say, "bad dog"
and the moment he starts coming I say "good dog."

Why is "bad dog" effective?

When my dog was a puppy and he did not obey a command,
that was in his repertoire, I would say "bad dog" and
pick him up by the back of his neck and deliver a brief,
"harsh," lecture.

I would assume that in the process, I established "bad
dog" as a powerful conditioned punisher. I also did the
"bad dog" harsh lecture routine, when he would eat his
poop which he seemed to do quite often.

My dog, a Havanese, is quite a "softy" so I quickly
discovered that not much of a "lecture" was needed
to establish "bad dog" as a conditioned punisher.

I should also note that I said "bad dog" in various
ways, including near whispers. The net result is that
"bad dog" functions as a conditioned punisher even
when whispered.

So, if my dog just "sits there" when I say "Max come"
and then I whisper "bad dog," the vocalization in
principle punishes the ongoing behavior and so the dog
is disposed to do something else and that something else
is almost always following the previously issued command.

(You really don't want to issue the same command multiple
times without some consequences for failing to comply, for
then your dog will initially ignore your commands!)

I am NOT a dog trainer. I am a behavioral psychologist
(Associate Professor) who has loved dogs all my life.

I write this because it is likely that Jerry Howe, who
apparently opposes all forms of punishment, will post
a follow-up to this post.

His follow-up will likely not directly answer your
question but instead refer you to his poorly written
training manual or his magic black box that putatively
cures nearly every canine problem.

His follow up, unfortunately is also likely to personally
attack me. You are free, of course, to form your own
opinions and follow Jerry's advice.

I want you to know that although I have used punishment,
infrequentely and in limited ways, my dog is strongly
bonded to me. He follows me everywhere, he sleeps with
me, he cuddles at night with me, and he loves to perch
himself on my legs, much like a cat, when I'm reading a
book or talking to folks with my feet outstretched.

I don't see where the limited use of punishment has
harmed him in any general way. Perhaps, the limited
punishment I have used together with all the postive
reinforcement I have provided for "coming" and "going
down" in the context of drills, in all sorts of settings,
and under all sorts of circumstances, will someday save
his precious life.

I hope this post is helpful (also see below). Diane
Blackman, Avrama Gingold, Paulette Nolan, Ludwig Smith,
Lynne K. and others regularly post great advice here.

Individually we sometimes make mistakes, but collectively
I think we offer a variety of viable approaches limited
mainly by our inability to be with you and your pooch at
your home.

Best wishes,

Marshall

From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -

Re: Am I expecting to much

Hi Jerry,

When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie.  I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.

It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.

It really does work.

He was very confused at first, wondering what he
had done to get the praise.

But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.

Dogs are funny, but people are too.  Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.

Thanks,

N

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From: "Ray" <mikeflemi...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:41:46 GMT
Subject: re: Jerry Howe

Jerry, I will say this.  You catch alot of flak in
this newsgroup and I've been peeping in here for 4
months since I got my Mastiff.  I don't know you or
pretend to know you but the things that I've tried
that you've suggested HAS worked.

I've had dogs in the past that I bribed with food
and even spanked with a newspaper and honestly,
that didn't work.

The pack exercise worked, and getting my dog to
come to me is no problem after I used your exercise.

All of this WITHOUT food treats.

Even the "non-physical" praise was foreign to me, but
I see why it's a good idea.  I can honestly tell that
this dog is more in tune with me and what I want him
to do and how our relationship should work.

Just wanted to say Thanks, and I may need your help
on a few more issues as they arise, like the border
training.

             -------------

ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.

             ------------

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

        -------------

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog eats poo!
Date: 2000-12-05 00:40:48 PST

I used sound distraction to stop my 2 dogs eating cow poo
during walkies. I posted here a while ago explaining how I
managed to control them from eating it but there were a lot
of sceptics.  If your interested I'll be glad to tell you
what worked for me, just let me know and I'll post a thread
on this NG.

Paul
             --------

From:           Paul B
Date:           Sat, Oct 21 2000 2:18 am
Email:          "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>

The sound distraction and praise method he uses is VERY effective,
I use those techniques on my dogs and the results are great.  From
teaching a dog to recall to preventing unwanted behaviours (sh.t
eating, eating the cats food, growling when taking a bone from a
dog, jumping up, even escaping from the property, any behaviour).

To say sound distraction and praise methods don't work is pure
ignorance.

I can understand you not liking Jerry and being pissed off with
the posts he submits but please keep things in context and don't
slam a technique just because you can't stand the person suggesting
using it.

Paul.

               ------------

Subject:        to Jerry Howe
From:           MArtog
Date:           Wed, Jan 17 2001 12:51 pm
Email:          MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>

Just wanted to say thanks. The method you told me to stop
my dog from eating my other Labs sh-t in the backyard has
worked well.

She has also improved greatly when off leash out in the woods.
She still sniffs (of course), but I rarely need to stop her
from anything else.

I've always been diligent about watching her, and cleaning
up the yard, but ya just can't be there every second. And
she is quick! So, thanks again for the advice.

I feel more confident now when I turn my back.

And to all you folks going yea, sure, right.

THIS IS NOT A TROLL POST. HE gave me advice.

It worked. Plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less.

So Jerry, allthough I don't lurk here, I'm sure
you're still putting up with DogButt and his ilk.

So good keep up the good work!

Off course DogButt will read this, even thoe it doesn't
have his name on it. Cause he thinks he owns the group.

So to you DogButt.........Well,,,,never mind.

You're already a loser. I don't need to tell you that.

Please feel free to correct my spelling/grammer, etc.
Yes, goodbye, good riddance, blah blah blah.

Later.....
MArtog Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM

             --------
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.

You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

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INDEEDY. Seems steevie followed the WRONG ADVICE:

From:  Steve Walker
Date:  Fri, Nov 12 1999 12:00 am
Email:   Steve Walker <s...@skwalker.demon.co.uk>

In article <3364-382B5663...@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Chris

Williams <k9ap...@webtv.net> writes

Not sure what you're asking, Chris.  We've always tried
to educate our kids in positive ways as much as possible,
though I also think that ruling out the possibility of
corporal punishment is a mistake - the kids rarely get
smacked (and being grounded etc is more effective at their
ages anyway), but they definitely *do* understand punishment,
and what they're being punished for.

But maybe I'm answering the wrong question - could you elaborate a bit?

Cheers,
--
Steve Walker

                -----------

Seems disciple cris WENT INSANE and got HOWETA the
RESCUE / SHELTER dog BUSINESS after he MURDERED a
dog he couldn't bribe / click / force train <{): ~ ( >

Here's HOWE COME:

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
immediately deteriorated."

steevie and HOWER DOG LOVERS realize the NECESSITY
of PROTECTING innocent defenseless children from
the dangerHOWES dogs they're raising... so they
RELY on PUNISHMENT and INTIMIDATION when offering
and witHOWELDING bribes FAILS to inspire TRUST and
AFFECTION and RESPECT <{); ~ )  >

Offerin and witHOWELDING bribes as in the clicker method
produces EXXXTREME anXXXIHOWESNESS causing the dog to
"THROW" random, unthinking, meaningless, mindless anxiety
behaviors to release the treat from the human Skinner Box:

"Samson will often paw at my right pocket, where I keep the
clicker, until I get it out and give a few commands/treats.

He never paws at the pocket where I keep the treats,
interestingly - it's like he associates the clicker
with fun/pleasure more than he does the thing he
actually finds pleasurable.

While we're actually training, you can *see* when he
knows what brings the click.  Last night, doing 'stand
up', I was holding the treat above his nose, too high
for him to reach while sitting or standing on all fours.

As soon as he stood on his back legs to get it, click &
treat. But after a couple of times, as soon as he'd done
the action - before even his front paws started going back
toward the floor again - he'd look away from the treat and
at the clicker.  Was really interesting to see his thought
processes so clearly.

And if he occasionally struggles to realise what's
required, he paws at the clicker - as if to say
'come *on* then!' - and not at my treat- pocket.

I'm loving this - can't wait for the book to arrive
so I can get a better idea of how to do this right."

When not satisfied, the dog may engage in inapupriate
behaviors so his human Skinner Box can OFFER a TREAT
when the BAD BEHAVIOR STOPS, i.e., a REWARD for DOIN
BAD BEHAVIORS <{): ~ ( >

steevie's DEAD DOG Sampson learned to BE NICE
to his own children, and feared and attacked
OTHER DADDY'S CHILDREN instead because he wasn't
PUNISHED ENOUGH to not fear all children, just
his own.

HOWEDY matty you miserable lyin dog abusing punk thug coward
active acute chronic long term incurable mental case and illegal
professional doggy day care and agility FRAUD and SCAM ARTIST,

Rocky wrote:

If matty knew HOWE to train dogs not to do "BAD BEHAVIORS"
he'd PUT HISSELF HOWETA his illegal doggy day care and
"agility" training business.

They go hand in glove on accHOWENT of hyperactive dogs NEED
activities like AGILITY to keep their minds occupied...

BWEEEAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

That's MALARKEY. There AIN'T NO SUCH THING.

That's MALARKEY. There AIN'T no REWARD in ALARM
barkin unless the dog chases away the barkee <{); ~ ) >

matty's just having FUN strokin hisself <{): ~ ( >

Like THAT for EXXXAMPLE.

That so? Like thrownin a sock or a can at the dog, matty?

You mean the latter DON'T WORK nodoGdameneD better
than the former that DON'T WORK otherWIZE he'd be
able to EXXXTINGUISH inapupriate barking digging
garbage can raiding destructive chewing sofa sleeping
counter surfing HOWES FHOWELING and PUT HISSELF HOWETA
the illegal doggy day care business <{): ~ ) >

Oh, you can EXXXTINGUISH THAT simply by PRAISING him <{):~ ) >

But matty WON'T DO THAT on accHOWENT of he won't be able to
FEEL like he's IN CONp-TROLL like a Nazi death camp colonel.

THAT'S MALARKEY.

Offering alternate incompatible behaviors REINFORCES
the behaviors matty and these ignorameHOWESES CAN'T
MANAGE <{): ~ ) >

Distraction DOES NOT WORK unless you follow the PRECISE
INSTRUCTIONS in your own FREE COPY of The Freakin Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

Aversives only make your dogs fear and hate you and
causes them to have SEIZURES and SELF MUTILATION <{): ~ ) >

THAT'S HOWE COME all these dog lovers dogs got "ALLERGIES".

Used as an AVERSIVE throwin an otherWIZE harmless
sock or squirtin the critter with a water spray is
JUST AS HARMFUL as jerking choking and shocking them.

Ooops! According to these lyin dog abusing punk thug
coward active acute chronic long term incurable mental
cases there AIN'T NUTHIN WRONG with jerking choking and
shocking so long as it's a apupriate CORRECTION.

Kinda like a orgy of INSANITY, matty?

No it AIN'T "all good" matty, otherWIZE you'd be able
to EXXXINGUISH ANY "self rewarding" BEHAVIOR NEARLY
INSTANTLY just like HOWE ALL The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
REPORT RIGHT HERE <{): ~ ) >

You mean anyHOWE you impudent maggot <{):~ ( >

AnyHOWE, THAT'S HOWE COME your own DEATHLY ILL
dog Rocky is DYIN from SEIZURES <{); ~ ) >

BWEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!

BWEEEEAAAAAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

You'd have to MANAGE them or let Friday 'kick his a.s
and he stops for a little while but then starts again,'
just like HOWE it goes when The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard kicks your arse, matty. HOWEver, The Freakin
Simply Wizard WANTS you to start again JUST SO HE CAN DO
IT AGAIN on accHOWENT of makin you LOOK LIKE A CHUMP is
SELF REWARDIN BEHAVIOR.

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

Like the original poster SEZ: "she has kicked his a.s
and he stops for a little while but then starts again,"
IT DON'T WORK nodoGdameneDMOORE than your "it's all good"
assault of REPRESSION and DISTRACTION techniques which
DON'T WORK on accHOWENT of you're a miserable lyin dog
abusing MAGGOT who'd LOSE HIS DOGGY DAY CARE BUSINESS
if you could train people's dogs to stay in their HOWES
alone. WOULDN'T YOU, matty <{): ~ ) >

You wouldn't be able to train him not to.

On accHOWENT of Rocky is FEAR AGGRESSIVE of dogs.

Like till heel freezes over, matty?

THAT'S INSANE, matty. There AIN'T NO SUCH THING as "INGRAINED
UNWANTED BEHAVIORS" that can't be EXXXTINGUISHED TRAINED OR
MODIFIED NEARLY INSTANTLY if you understand effective non
physical Pavlovian and Ericksonian CONDITIONING.

Your punk thug coward active acute mental case pal
booby maida (captain arthur haggerty's protege) is
a miserable lyin dog abusing punk thug coward like
yourself, matty. Only DIFFERENCE is he don't post
to The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums on
accHOWENT of he got hisself EMBARRASED TO DEATH.

He don't post here nodoGdameneDMOORE on accHOWENT
of The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard made
him LOOK LIKE A CHUMP every time he posted <{): ~ ) >

BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

And does that WORK any better than lettin your
dogs fight it HOWET: "she has kicked his a.s
and he stops for a little while but then starts
again," matty?

"I wouldn't do anything because Friday would
correct him more appropriately than I ever
could. I'd separate them or watch them closely.
If I can catch them at it before the behaviour
itself becomes rewarding, I use my marker word.
If I can catch them even earlier (when the intent
to commit misbehaviour is forming in their evil
minds), distraction works.  The latter works
better than the former when it comes to their
protecting me from the mailman.  Management,
redirection, distraction, aversives, Paula's
socks, combinations thereof - it's all good,"
matt. Rocky's my epileptic dog.

And THAT'S HOWE COME you can't post here abHOWETS
nodoGdameneDMOORE, you miserable freakin lyin dog
abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long
term incurable mental case maggot <{): ~ ) >

HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:

Yeah. It's a NEUROTIC behavior LEARNED from bein
PUNISHED for shittin in the HOWES, matty.

Your own dog GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, REMEMBER matty?

You mean, INSTEAD of just TRAINING the dog NOT TO EAT
sh.t, in a couple moments of non physical praise, matty?

THAT NEVER WORKS, matty.

THAT'S INSANE, matty.

What it's WORTH is YOU GOT NO ADVICE. Your own DEATHLY
ILL DOG Rocky GOT THE SAME PROBLEM on accHOWENT of you
ABUSE him, matty. What it's WORTH are DEATHLY ILL and
DEAD DOGS, matty.

You got NO METHOD to TRAIN the dog NOT TO DO IT, matty.

You got any TRAININ suggestions, matty?

You think the dog will FORGET to eat poo when IT can't be
forced and jerked and choked not to do that someMOORE?

HOWE is THAT gonna TRAIN the dog NOT TO EAT sh.t, matty?

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

HOWE, matty? HOWE do you AVOID FROZEN / DRIED sh.t, matty?

So you LOCK THE DOG IN A BOX, matty.

That so?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

HOWEDY bizby40,

bizby40 wrote:

You mean you got the same problem for the same reason,
don't you, bizby40. CuriHOWES AIN'T IT, HOWE you and
a few of them other DOG LOVERS with PUPPY BITING and
HOWEsbreaking problems done your DUE DILLIGENCE pryor
to gettin your puppys and DONE EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY as the MENTAL CASES whose posts you'd been
READIN and posting to here for a long time even pryor
to gettin your new PROBLEM puppys, told you to, AIN'T IT.

CuriHOWES AIN'T IT, HOWE ALL of you DOG LOVERS
GOT THE SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEMS which The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students NEVER HAVE, bizby40.

Well, you can just CHANGE THE WORDS bizby40.

AND IT HURTS. THAT'S BITING, ain't it, bizby40.

Your dog is HYPERACTIVE and you've had him only a month or so.

But you AIN'T SHORE if THAT'S biting or not, bizby40?

YOU TAUGHT YOUR DOG TO DO THAT by followin the
ADVICE of these PROFITEERS who BILK dummies like
you HOWETA your HARD EARNED DOUGH to SELL you
their miserable books and TRAINING LESSONS and
DAY CARE for your HOWETA CON-TROLL puppys, bizby40.

Ahhh, so you KNOW WHEN he's gonna do it yet STILL
DON'T KNOW HOWE to EXXXTINGUISH ANY repeatable
predictable consistent behavior, like SHITTIN ALL
OVER YOUR HOWESES on accHOWENT of you lock them in
boxes and ignore their cries and spray aversives in
their faces and intimidate and choke them as your
own POSTED CASE HISTORY will reflect, bizby40.

ALL BEHAVIORS ARE THE SAME SAME, bizby40.

You mean as a REWARD for biting.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Like your hands or clothing...

You mean you REINFORCE the BAD behavior, bizby40.

You mean you LOCK IT IN A BOX and IGNORE his cries someMOORE.

Then he bites you.

THAT'S HOWE we TRAIN ATTACK DOGS, bizby40.

That VARIABLY REINFORCES his BAD BEHAVIOR.

You mean, doin what the EXXXPERTS TAUGHT YOU, bizby40?

To HYPEREXXXCITE the pup, JUST LIKE HOWE we do
when ATTACK TRAINING a dog, eh bizby40? You got
the RIGHT INSTRUCTIONS but for the WRONG PROBLEM,
bizby40. You're TRAINING your dogs to ATTACK YOU.

You're DOIN FINE, bizby40. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
NEEDS YOUR POSTED CASE HISTORY to PROVE The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, bizby40 <{): ~ ) >

No bizby40, he was PERFECT when you got him just
a few weeks ago, and YOU RUINED HIM ALREADY JUST
LIKE HOWE you done your children, bizby40.

INDEED?

TILL YOU TURN YOUR BACK.

Got some BAD NEWS for you, bizby... you got MunchHOWESN
SYNDROME by Proxy, bizby40, JUST LIKE the rest of these
DOG and CHILD ABUSING MENTAL CASES GOT:

HOWEDY pauline,

Pauline O'Connell wrote:

You mean the ADVICE which The Amazing Puppy Wizard gives
when TRAINING DOGS TO ATTACK, pauline? THINK abHOWET the
"ADVICE" matty gave you. He told you to NOT REACT to your
puppy's BONDING BEHAVIOR by TURNING arHOWEND and IGNORING
IT for 3 seconds, to INCREASE ANXXXIHOWESNESS and TRIGGER
the VISUAL ORAL REFLEX, then QUICKLY GIVE the dog SUMPTHIN
to BITE ON as a REWARD for his BONDING BITING, pauline.

THAT'S PRECISELY HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard TURNS ON
new attack training students, pauline...

INDEEDY! You'll NOTICE please, the CONSISTENCY with
which EVERY POSTER HERE GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, pauline.

Know WHAT THAt PROBLEM IS, pauline? You've all got
MunchHOWESEN SYNDROME by PROXY <{) :* ~ (  >

                    A DOG Is A Dog;
                   As A KAT Is A KAT;
                 As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
              As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

     ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

             ALL Critters Only Respond In
          PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
             INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
    To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
              Which We Create For Them.

     Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
          We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
            And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

You mean, locking your dog in a box and jerking
and choking and ignoring her cries and denying
and withholding attention affection rewards and
unconditional love trust and respect and shreiking
and hurting and intimidating your dogs JUST LIKE
HOWE you do to your kids JUST LIKE HOWE your parents
and child psychologists taught you, pauline.

      You Get The Critter You Trained

              A Dog Is A Dog
            As A Kat Is A Kat
          As A Birdie Is A Birdie
           As A Child Is A Child
        As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

       ALL Critters Only Respond In
  PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE
              REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
         Which We Create For Them.

        Damn The Descartean War of
          "Nature Vs Nurture."
    We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
       And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

  In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
          FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
              SAME SAME,
 For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

Yeah, TOO MUCH TLC, eh dog lovers?

INDEED?

LIKE THIS:

CNYstitcher wrote:
 5-Trying to baste a quilt while your 4yo is watching
 is next to impossible because said child wants to "help"

From: "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:02:46 GMT

Subject: Re: what next?

I'm sure you were sent very special children for a reason -
cause you're a very special mom, who will love & care for
your two like no other.

BWEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

Right. Wouldn't wanna BABY IT too much...

BWEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

      "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                        Never Change,
        Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
            Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
                      For All Handler's
                        And All Dogs,
                      NEARLY INSTANTLY,
      As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
           WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
                The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )  >

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
From: "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net>
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:40:42 GMT

Subject: Re: A proposal re: HUGs

My feelings (as sensitive as they are) weren't hurt; I'm
just one of those people who wants to do the "right" thing
& not offend anyone either!  But thank you for the totally
unnecessary apology.  You did explain things perfectly &
this is all part of a learning experience - yes?

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
From: "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:39:23 GMT

Subject: Re: did you all get what you wanted??

I got almost everything that was on my wish list - except for
a puppy:)  I knew that wouldn't happen, cause I want to pick
it out together with DH, but a promise of a puppy would have
been nice!  Not to worry - I'm signing up to raise a Guide
Dog for a year - I know it will kill me to give it up, but
I'm trying to focus on the greater good!

Pauline

                  -----------

THAT'S HOWE COME 65% of those dogs FAIL TRAINING.

From: "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:02:46 GMT

Subject: Re: what next?

I'm sure you were sent very special children for a reason -
cause you're a very special mom, who will love & care for
your two like no other.

             ---------------

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
From: CNYstitcher <s...@therctqdirectory.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:35:17 GMT
Subject: OT: what next?

So, by now, most of you know about the past year os chaos -
CPS being called on us by one of Thomas' teachers (case
closed as no evidence could be found), Thomas being diagnosed
with a disability, Rebekah being born almost a month early.

Well, yesterday, I got another roundhouse
punch out of the blue.

Rebeklah went in for her 1 year checkup, got 1 vaccine, and
I thought everything was okey dokey.  However, the docotr is
concerned about her growth.  Apparently, she has only gained
8oz in 3 months, which isn't good at all.  At 1 year, she only
says mama, and only recently started crawling.  DOctor asked
about her eating habits, so I told him (she stopped eating
baby food and would only tkae bottles, and sometimes she
would refuse them, however, she *would* eat small bits of the
food the rest of the family ate).  Turns out, she isn't getting
enough calories to support brain development and growth.

WWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH­HHHHHHHHHHH!!

Doctor is referring us to Early Intervention so that they can
do an evaluation on Rebekah to see where she needs help, and I
am going to try to feed her as much as possible, trying to reach
700 calories a day, which means detailed diaries of what she
actually eats.  We almost reached 700 by bedtime last night, but
she ended up staying up until the wee hours, and was awake at 5am
(which meant I was up that early, and then Thomas woke up at 6am
with a nightmare...yes, I'm exhausted).

I had my bout of feeling like a total failur with both of my
children - one has a disability and on is failing to thrive....
it *must* be my fault.  But I'm pretty much over that now.

Still, I feel as if I have let them down in some way,
so I am trying to "fix" what I can.

I just feel really low and kind of locked up creatively and
everything else.  Since I was up so early, I managed to start
working on DHs renaissance costume shirt, but I don't know if
I can progress any further today...so much to do, and only so
much energy to do it with.

If I don't post as much, you now know the reason why....I'm
completely overwhelmed and frustrated and confused and at the
end of my rope.

Larisa

         ---------------

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
From: CNYstitcher <s...@therctqdirectory.com>
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:30:51 GMT
Subject: OT: musings of my mind

I have been having a hard week.  It started when I looked at the
calendar and saw that October was coming faster than I thought.

Do you realize that today, at 2:11pm, my darling girl will be 1
year old?  It doesn't seem like it is possible.  The doctor said
she would be behind most of her "peers" until she was about 5 years
old due to her bing slightly premature.  As of today, she is crawling
on all 4s (as opposed to doing a military low-crawl), she can pull
herself up to standing with just about anything, and she has decided
to try furniture surfing.  SHe isn't talking much, other than MaMa
(and it is hysterical when she gets upset -

MAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMA!!­).

so he is constantly tripping over his feet, or sometimes nothing
at all.  Every time he falls, rebekah stops what she is doing until
Thomas says that he is okay and gets back up, then she will smile at
him, say "AY!" and go back to playing.  If Rebekah is upset or tired,
Thomas is her savior, he can make her laugh and forget that she threw
her pacifier across the room <grin>.

What was life like this time last year?  Crazy, chaotic,
worrisome...who'd a thunk that things would be even more
topsyturvy?

But you know, things have also settled down.  Having a premature child
and a child with a disability have made me take a look at my life and
what is important to me.  I have become even more convicted that
staying
at home with my children was the best decision I could have made.  If I

was working outside the house, who would be the advocate for my
children?  Who would take them to all the doctors' appointments,

         THAT'S MunchHOWESEN by Proxy, dog lovers.

        THAT'S The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{): ~ ) >

      This IS,  The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{): ~ ) >