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Jerome Ranch - 09 Jun 2006 02:14 GMT
My 4 yo std poodle had seizures from metritus (maybe even a stroke)
after a c-section last summer.  She's on phenobarb and KBr now, since
the phenobarb alone didn't stop the seizures completely.  While the
two drugs are efficacious, she is displaying many of the KBr side
effects. So we're going to try Keppra. She's worth the world to me,
but that doesn't mean I won't try to get the drugs less expsnsively.
The Keppra is $260/month at Walgreens.  Any ideas of a cheaper source?
Thanks
Jerry
Rocky - 09 Jun 2006 03:53 GMT
Jerome Ranch <ranchjp@mchsi.com> said in alt.med.veterinary:

> My 4 yo std poodle had seizures from metritus (maybe even a
> stroke) after a c-section last summer.  She's on phenobarb
> and KBr now, since the phenobarb alone didn't stop the
> seizures completely.  While the two drugs are efficacious,
> she is displaying many of the KBr side effects.

How long has she been on this combo?  It took a couple of years
to balance PB, KBr, and diet before Rocky's seizures and ataxia
were under control enough to go back to competitive agility.

> So we're going to try Keppra. She's worth the world to me,
> but that doesn't mean I won't try to get the drugs less
> expsnsively. The Keppra is $260/month at Walgreens.  Any
> ideas of a cheaper source?

There's been a recent discussion of Keppra on a k9epilepsy list,
though I can't recall if price was discussed.  A few people use
it with their dogs, so it may be worth checking out.
 http://www.rocky-dog.com/Links/LinksMenu.html
Under "Dog Health", I referenced a couple of lists.  The first
is the one which has been discussing Keppra.  Check the
archives.

Good luck.

Signature

--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Jerome Ranch - 09 Jun 2006 12:43 GMT
Thanks for the info Matt
Yep, Ripley's ataxia is so severe that she fallss going down stairs,
and when she goes over jumps, of down from the PT she'll "crash and
burn".  I'm afraid she's going to strain a muscle or break a bone.
She's lost her bite inhibition and so I have many scapes on my
hands..she's a sweetheart, but a bit out of control.
She been on the combo about 9 months.
I'll check out the lists
Jerry

>How long has she been on this combo?  It took a couple of years
>to balance PB, KBr, and diet before Rocky's seizures and ataxia
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>is the one which has been discussing Keppra.  Check the
>archives.
The_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_@HotMail.Com - 09 Jun 2006 15:01 GMT
HOWEDY Jerome,

> Thanks for the info Matt

That's curiHOWES. matty's DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky has been
DYIN from psychogenic seizures all his adult life. HOWE COME
would you want to follow his "advice", Jerome?

> Yep, Ripley's ataxia is so severe that she fallss going
> down stairs, and when she goes over jumps, of down from
> the PT she'll "crash and burn".

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> I'm afraid she's going to strain a muscle or break a bone.

Could be. The Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy
Wizard is curiHOWES abHOWET HOWE you've raised,
trained and handled your dog as well as her general
heelth history.

Of curse, it appears from your original post that
your dog GOT her seizures as a result of trauma
in your backyard breeding program. What qualifies
your dog as breed quality, Jerome, know HOWE hard
it is for ETHICKAL breeders to maintain the high
standards of ETHICKAL BREEDING as articulated by
matty and his punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incurable mental case pals here abHOWETS.

> She's lost her bite inhibition

That's curiHOWES, Jerome. There AIN'T NO SUCH THING
as "bite inhibition", Jerome. Dogs ATTACK ONLY when
they're AFRAID <{); ~ ) >

Has your puppy dog EVER had a LOSS OF BIT INHIBITION
with ANYWON OTHER than her PRIMARY HANDLER, Jerome?

That's a VERY telling DIAGNOSTIC SYMPTOM of MISHANDLING.
Dogs ONLY FEAR those who are IN CON-TROLL and a CHALLENGE
to THEIR authority, Jerome <{): ~ ) >

> and so I have many scapes on my hands..

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> she's a sweetheart, but a bit out of control.

>From the National Institute of Neurologica:

"Sometimes people appear to have seizures, even though
their brains show no seizure activity. This type of
phenomenon has various names, including nonepileptic
events and pseudoseizures.

Both of these terms essentially mean something that
looks like a seizure but isn't one. Nonepileptic
events that are psychological in origin may be
referred to as psychogenic seizures.

Psychogenic seizures may indicate dependence, a need
for attention, avoidance of stressful situations, or
specific psychiatric conditions.

Some people with epilepsy have psychogenic seizures
in addition to their epileptic seizures. Other people
who have psychogenic seizures do not have epilepsy at
all.

Psychogenic seizures cannot be treated in the same
way as epileptic seizures. Instead, they are often
treated by mental health specialists."

Of curse, if THAT is the CAUSE of her seizures
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PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you been doin, in
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> She been on the combo about 9 months.

The pharmacuticals are EXXXTREMELY EXXXPENSIVE and
may have DEATHLY side effects, Jerome. The Freakin
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard recommends you
EXXXPLORE nutritional and non toxic therapies, perhaps
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You're PROBABLY feedin your dog commercial garbage
dog food. Carbohydrates MAY CONtribute to your dog's
seizure activity. Perhaps you should research and
put him on a fresh WHOWELSOME diet.

Magnesium and vitamin B-6 are also likely to be a
remedy. Ask your veterinarian if you can try giving
her epsom salts in her water, adding a small amount
and gradually increasing it to a laxative level and
then backing off and then adding B-6 at a dose of
maybe 75mg/15k of body weight to her diet.

The Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard AIN'T
a veterinarian or medical specialist, Jerome, HE only
IDENTIFIES EXXXPOSES and DISCREDITS ill trained
ignorameHOWES veterinary malpracticioners <{); ~ ) >

HOWEver, HE DOES have a holistic veterinary
EXXPERT you can consult:

Dr. Roger L. DeHaan, DVM, MTS
105 Police Club Drive
Kings Mountain, NC 28086
Tel/Fax 704-734-0061

> I'll check out the lists

Of curse you will, Jerome, on accHOWENT of your
dog's heelth is EXXXTREMELY important to you as
it is The Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy
Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

> Jerry

The Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

> >How long has she been on this combo?  It took a couple of years
> >to balance PB, KBr, and diet before Rocky's seizures and ataxia
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >is the one which has been discussing Keppra.  Check the
> >archives.

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Here's some biophysical reasons HOWE COME MOST OF
HOWER DOG LOVER'S DOGS ARE breakin DHOWEN
DYIN an DROPPIN DEAD from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:

                        Death Producing Ulcers:
          "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior"
                      Dr. George Von Hilsheimer

       Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
       adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
       McConville & Kaplan, 1966).

       A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
       CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
       by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
       importance of emotional factors in general health.

       Interview findings of emotional material (recently
       experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
       examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
       cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
       even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
       these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)

       150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
       constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
       childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
       score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
       smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
       CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
       Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
       expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
       residence and is more important than a chronic cough
       or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).

       A ten year observation of all the women who developed
       cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
       they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
       characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
       especially marked with those of an undecided body
       build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
       the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
       may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
       somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
       (Grinker, 1966).

       In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
       with a number of losses or separations and with
       feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
       The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
       hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
       (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
       emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
       frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
       cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
       their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
       Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).

       Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
       behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
       and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
       induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;
       (1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
       SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
       collective panic and epilepsies;

       (2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties
       and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular,
       respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro
       muscular systems.

       It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
       to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
       the standard six hour school day that I have been able
       to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite
       by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
       "EXECUTIVE  BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY
       TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING
       ULCERS.

                  -------------

Veterinarian treat thousands of pets with multiple
illnesses from chronic infections to autoimmune
conditions and finds a common anomaly - adrenal/thyroid
hormonal-imbalances & deficiencies

The adrenals are a pair of ductless glands that sit atop
the kidneys in the lower part of the back. New insights
on metabolism and hormonal balance indicate that the
adrenals and thyroid have a direct role in energy production,
well-being, allergies, immune function and many other areas
of human health.

An article by Alfred J Plechner DVM and M. Zucker
"Unrecognized endocrine-Immune Defects in Multiple
Diseases: An Effective Veterinary model may offer
Therapeutic promise for human conditions. A mutual
friend, Martin Zucker, sparked my interest in Plechners
theories and treatment approach. Zucker stated that
Alfred Plechner has developed a simple protocol for
treating cats, dogs and other pets that have chronic
infections and multiple health problems that do
not resolve on their own.

The protocol involves diagnostic testing for certain
thyroid and adrenal hormones followed by low-dose
adrenal and thyroid replacement hormones that are
used together rather than separately. The result of the
treatment is that Adrenal estrogen production declines
and stops binding to thyroid hormones. The end result
is that thyroxin is freed-up to increase ATP production
in the cells. This normalizes body temperature and cell-
mediated immune functions improve.

According to Zucker, Plechner treated dozens of cats with
FIV infection. Zucker stated that the treatment restored
normal immune function. FIV stands for Feline
Immunodeficiency Virus. The equivalent in humans is HIV. I
asked Zucker if this treatment approach has ever been used
in humans to treat HIV? He said that to his knowledge it has
not. One wonders what Plechner's protocol would do for HIV
and other immune deficiency diseases including CFIDS,
candidiasis, cancer, hepatitis, Lyme disease, lupus, MS,
allergies and autoimmune diseases. Will it bring us closer
to a cure for AIDS or a control that has little or no side
effects?

How and why do deficits and imbalances in endocrine
hormones affect the immune system? We know that
hypothyroidism (low thyroid function) leaves a person
vulnerable to one chronic infection after another.

In Wisconsin, Dennis, a local PWA, HIV+ since 1983
has had above normal body temperature all his life
and after all these years, still no HIV progression.
Never on drugs his viral load is still under 1000.

In a separate phone call to Alfred Plechner, I asked him
what exactly is his treatment protocol? Here was his reply.

Alfred: The treatment consists of giving low dose thyroid
hormones along with low-dose cortisone.

Mark: You mean low-dose thyroid hormones like Armour
Thyroid that provide the thyroid hormone "thyroxin" and
Cortone that provide one of the adrenal hormones cortisone
or its most active form - hydrocortisone?

Alfred: Yes, the equivalent of these drugs for use in humans
is available by prescription for household pets and other
animals. The amount given varies according to the weight of
the animal and the results of diagnostic tests. If I were
treating an adult human, I would start off with 1/2 grain of
thyroid (about 60 mg) and 5 mg of cortisone twice a day. You
need to monitor blood pressure when giving thyroid as too
much could cause it to rise as well as increase the pulse
rate. The process of increasing thyroid use has to be
gradual. Usually the amount of cortisone used is maintained
at a low level.

Mark: I can understand the role of the thyroid hormone as
it controls cellular metabolism throughout the body, the
production of ATP and will help in normalizing body temperature
that is critical for restoring cell-mediated immune responses,
but cortisone, is it not immunosuppressive?

Alfred: Absolutely, if you take too much of it. The same is
true for zinc. Research has shown that too little zinc or
too much is immunosuppressive and this has been shown for
other nutrients as well. You absolutely need zinc for your
thymus gland to function properly and mature T cells but you
don't want too much or too little. Experience has shown that
15 to 30 mg daily is a safe and effective dosage range. Now
for cortisone, it is a natural anti-inflammatory hormone and
the normal healthy human body produces about 40 mg daily. It
is well established that too much cortisone is immunosuppressive,
in fact, for this reason alone, cortisone has a bad reputation.

What is not known is that too little free cortisol is
immunosuppressive. There are many people treated with
thyroid hormones that get their body temperature back
to normal and many who do not. One reason is that part
of the Adrenal glands are exhausted and are not producing
enough cortisol and another part of the Adrenal glands are
producing too much estrogen that binds to thyroxin.

The production of cortisol is controlled through a feedback
loop. Note: When cortisone is administered, it is converted
to the active form called cortisol that is also known as
hydrocortisone.

Mark: What is a feedback loop?

Alfred: Cortisol levels are controlled by a classical
feedback loop that involves the hypothalamus-pituitary and
adrenal glands. Cortisol, the primary glucocorticoid, is
produced in the middle Adrenal cortex layer. We have found a
problem in cortisol production that comes from two of three
layers of the adrenal cortex. The defect can be genetic or
due to other causes (nutritional deficiencies or toxins).
Cortisol stimulates several processes that serve to increase
and maintain normal glucose levels in the blood, exert a
potent anti-inflammatory effect and act as a regulating
factor for normal immune function.

Mark: Tell me more about this "loop" and how does
normalizing cortisol and estrogen levels affect the
functioning of the Thyroid gland and help restore normal
body temperature and cell-mediated immune function?

Alfred: "The loop is called the
hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis. Cortisol is secreted in
response to a single stimulator: AdrenoCorticoTropic Hormone
(ACTH) that is produced by the Pituitary gland. ACTH is
itself secreted under control of the Hypothalamus and a
hormone it secretes called Corticotropic-Releasing Factor
(CRF). Cortisol secretion is suppressed or stimulated by
classical feedback loops. When blood concentrations rise
above a certain threshold, cortisol inhibits CRF secretion.
This, in turn, inhibits ACTH and less ACTH reduces adrenal
secretion of cortisol.

"However, when the adrenal gland is unable to produce enough
cortisol, or for some reason the cortisol is bound, or
otherwise inactive, and thus not recognized by the system,
the pituitary continues to produce ACTH in order to extract
more cortisol from the adrenals.

"The inner cortical layer, where adrenal estrogen is
produced, also responds to ACTH. The result of constant ACTH
stimulation in a situation where cortisol is bound or
deficient produces a release of adrenal estrogen into the
system. As cortisol levels fail to reach the threshold to
stop the Hypothalamus from secreting CRF, the CRF stimulates
the Pituitary to continue to secrete ACTH. The ACTH tries to
get the Adrenal gland to produce cortisol but the same ACTH
also stimulates the adrenals to secrete estrogen. As a
result of an inability of the adrenals to keep up with
demand for cortisol, adrenal estrogen levels build up and
cause the following:

1. A histamine-like effect on capillaries, leading to
inflammation from blood components spilling into adjacent
tissues

2. Binding thyroid hormone

3. Further deregulation of lymphocytes and antibodies. "

Mark: Elevated histamine levels have been linked to elevated
interluken 6 levels in many studies. If the histamine like
effects are due to actual elevated histamine levels then
should not we also expect IL-6 levels to increase also; and
if that were the case, would we not also expect a shift in
cytokine profiles from TH1 to the less effective TH2?

Alfred: That is a good question. I have not investigated
whether or not IL-6 levels are elevated in these conditions
but I have found out that IgA levels are low and these low
levels in the digestive tract lead to food allergies and
sensitivities as well as malabsorption.

Mark: IgA is a TH1 cytokine needed for mucosal immunity.
Bifidobacteria Longum has been found to increase the levels
of IgA as does vitamin A. What are some of the benefits of
supplementing with low-dose thyroid and cortisone you have
observed in your clinical practice?

Alfred: After a trial and error period, I have developed a
testing and treatment strategy that has proved to safe and
highly effective. The central modality is replacement with
physiological doses of cortisone preparations to address the
root issue of cortisol deficiency. The low-dose cortisone
preparations normalize ACTH levels, stop the overproduction
of adrenal estrogen and the accompanying estrogen blockade
of the thyroid hormones and reregulates the immune system.
The use of low dose cortisone long term has also been
reported by Jefferies for treating allergies, autoimmune
disorders and chronic fatigue syndrome (1).

The second important modality is the simultaneous use of
thyroid hormone. The thyroid hormone is needed because the
excess adrenal estrogen has bound some of the thyroid
hormone. The low dose thyroid hormone helps increase the
metabolic rate and the liver to detoxify as well as process
the cortisol. By giving cortisol and thyroid replacement
simultaneously, the body is able to effectively utilize and
process the former (cortisol) without developing side
effects.

Once the testing and low-dose hormone therapy is underway,
it is very important to follow a hypoallergenic diet and
remove foods to which the animal or person is sensitive.
After a few weeks, the sensitive foods may be reintroduced
one at a time.

Mark: Have you written and published other articles on this
subject?

Alfred: In the late 1970's, I wrote 4 articles (2, 3, 4 and
5) on my experiences and theories but found no germane
research in veterinary journals to provide guidance.

Mark: As a general guide for someone who has low body
temperature, low cortisol and high estrogen, what would be a
safe dose with which to start?

Alfred: For cortisol, 5 mg twice a day. Take at 8am and 2pm.
Do not take cortisone supplements in the evening or before
bedtime, as it will interfere with the REM state of sleep.
We want cortisol levels higher when we are awake and low
when we are asleep. In normal subjects, cortisol levels are
highest at 8am in the morning. Also, melatonin levels that
help promote restful sleep should be lowest during the day
and increase after dark and before bedtime. A melatonin
spillover in the AM can depress the basal metabolic rate all
day. This can be turned off by exposing the eyes to bright
natural lights for a few minutes or taking a walk outside
without wearing sunglasses.

For thyroid, 1/4 grain (about 15 mg) daily to start and
after a few weeks if blood pressure and pulse are not
elevated to gradually increase the thyroid amount. The
cortisol levels are left the same. The hormonal and immune
benefits will accrue and be maintained as long as the person
stays on the protocol. A physician's prescription is
required for both the cortisol and thyroid hormones. The key
here is low-dose for successful long-term use as adverse
effects may develop from higher doses. Note: Thyroxine is a
strong inducer of IgA, a TH1 cytokine needed for intestinal
and mucosal health.

Ref: 1. Jefferies, w. McK. Mild adrencortical deficiency,
chronic allergies, autoimmune disorders and the chronic
fatigue syndrome: a continuation of the cortisone story.
Medical Hypothesis, 1994; 42;183-189

2. Plechner A. J., Shannon M., Canine Immune Complex
diseases. Modern Veterinary Practice, November 1976; 917

3. Plechner A. J., Shannon M., Epstein A, Goldstein E.,
Howard E. B., Endocrine-immune surveillance. Pulse.
June-July, 1978

4. Plechner A. J., Theory of endocrine-immune surveillance.
California Veterinarian, Jan 1979; 12.

5. Plechner A. J. Preliminary observations on
endocrine-associated immunodeficiencies in dogs? A clinician
explores the relationship of immunodeficiencies to
endocrinopathy. Modern Veterinary Practice, 1979; 811

Important Highlights from Alfred Plechner's article

35,000 pets treated with this protocol
Alfred Plechner states he has treated over 35000 pets in the
past 20 years with this protocol. Plechner reports that low
cortisol and thyroid hormone lowers T cell panels in the
tests. Estrogen can exert a dramatic blocking effect on
cortisol and thyroid hormones, and just a slight variation
out of normal is enough to cause hormonal and immune
complications. In this case, the relationship is usually low
cortisol, high estrogen and deregulated immune cells.

In female animals that are not neutered, testing is done
when the animals are not in estrus and are not producing
high levels of ovarian estrogen.

   The Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
Jerome Ranch - 09 Jun 2006 23:35 GMT
>What qualifies
>your dog as breed quality, Jerome

AKC and Canadian Breed Champions, and obedience and performance titles
in AKC, UKC, NADAC, and USDAA longer that your post

Jerry
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_@HotMail.Com - 10 Jun 2006 19:34 GMT
HOWEDY Jerome,

> > What qualifies your dog as breed quality, Jerome
>
> AKC and Canadian Breed Champions, and obedience and performance
> titles in AKC, UKC, NADAC, and USDAA longer that your post

EXXXCELLENT!

That's JUST what The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy Wizard WANTED to find HOWET <{) ; ~ )  >

THAT'S HOWE COME your og dog is havin SEIZURES, Jerry.

Your dog is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE
aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{) ; ~ )  >

THAT MEANS you can CURE it by simply followin The Insanely Freakin
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard's INSTRUCTIONS in your own FREE
COPY of The *666* Edition of your own FREE COPY of The Insanely Freakin

Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual <{) ; ~
) >

Of curse, you'll have to put her on a apupriate diet as instructed,
includin
the B6 and Magneseum and STOP using toxic FLEA and other veterinary
malpractice approve poisonHOWES treatments.

> Jerry

Ain't you THRILLED to hear the GOOD NEWS, Jerry?

Keep us posted as to HOWE quickly and EZily she RECOVERS~!

The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~  )  >

P.S. You'll find some EXXXTREMELY REVEALING MEDICAL INFORMATION
in the following post. Please read it carefully:

>From The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_
                              Research_Laboratory

Subject:       QUESTIONS ABOUT BREEDER/PUPPY

HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman you miserable lyin dog
abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable
MENTAL CASE and ETHICKAL BREEDER / TRAINING / RESCUE /
SHELTER NETWORKING FRAUD SCAM ARTIST and SPAMMER,

T...@dog-play.com wrote:
> > I am planning to get an 8th month old puppy dachshund this summer. I
> > have been looking for a breeder in my area that has what i am looking
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Are the breeder's interests in the dogs similar to your own?

No, Master Of Deception blankman. They SHOULD BE EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE. The ETHICKAL BREEDER retains their puppys
till AT LEAST 8 weeks of age and begins their puppy series
innoculations
at 8 weeks IN DEFIANCE of Scott & Fuller's wildly accepted although
little
known (amongst ETHICKAL BREEDERS) research regarding crucial
psychological developmental stages and IGNORE their STERN WARNINGS
that puppys SHOULD NOT be placed, trainsported or vetted during their
8th
week developmental stage.

The ETHICKAL BREEDER is lookin for "RESPONSIBLE BUYERS" who'll
show, compete and breed lease from them, their ETHICKALLY BRED
puppys and failing THAT, unnecessarily, inapupriately, maliciHOWESLY
SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE their puppy to avoid themselves
competeting against their own lines.

The ETHICKAL BREEDER will advise their puppy buyer to take their
puppy to their veterinarian at his SICK ANIMAL HOWEspital for a
CHECK UP to comply with their thirty day heelth GUARANTEE and of
curse will SELL them a bag of the commercial garbage dog food the
puppy has been raised on, a nice CRATE to LOCK IT IN and recomend
a professional obedience trainer and puppy socialization class,
despite that SOCIALIZATION is DONE pryor to leavin the litterbox,
Master Of Deception blankman <{): ~ ( >

And of curse, the ETHICKAL BREEDER ONLY BREEDS to IMPROVE the
quality of the BREED and CONsequently MAKES NO PROFIT off of
SELLIN PUPPYS.

The RESPONSIBLE puppy BUYER on the other hand will look for a
ETHICAL breeder who'll place their puppys in their new HOWESES
at SIX WEEKS according to the wildly accepted although little
known research of Scott & Fuller and WILL NOT innoculate their
puppys within AT LEAST two weeks of NURSING and WILL NOT place
their pups during the critical 8th week developmental stage and
WILL provide them with healthful, natural diet recommendations
like they've been feedin since weaning and a lifetime heelth
warrantee against GENETIC DEFECTS.

> For example, I assume is you are looking for a nice pet that you
> are more concerned about excellent health than perfect color?

That's SHEER IDIOCY Master Of Deception blankman. Whether buying
garments, cars, building materials etc., "SECONDS" can be bought
through wholesalers but are not generally acceptable or FHOWEND
at first class retail establishments <{): ~ ) >

> So when you talk to the breeder does the
> breeder explain to you what IVDD is,

Invertebral Disc DIS-EASE is CAUSED by STRESS from locking dogs
in boxes and traditional OBEDIENCE TRAINING and toxic ignorameHOWES
veterinary malpractices and nutritionally deficient commercial
garbage diets they recommend.

> and what the breeder has done to reduce the risks of it in her lines?

THAT'S ABSURD:

Dr. Mark Neff of UC Davis: "The basis of IVDD remains unclear;
it is possiable that all Dachshunds are equally susceptible to
IVDD, and that only some animals progress to the full blown
disease state."

http://www.dpca-breedered.com/invertebraldiskdisease.html

How is intervertebral disk disease inherited? UNKNOWN.

Fibrous degeneration of disks (without calcification) occurs
in older dogs of all breeds, but generally only causes problems
in large-breeds.

              ------------

> Did the breeder discuss detecting and avoiding PRA,

If they AIN'T GOT IT in their line, then, THEY AIN'T GOT IT.
FurtherMOORE, PRA, like CHD (Canine Hip Dysplasia a vitamin
C deficiency like scurvy) is a metabolic / nutritional defect
and SHOULD NOT PRESENT as a clinical problem anyMOORE NHOWE
that we KNOW ALL abHOWET IT:

http://www.guidedogs.org.uk/fileadmin/gdba/images/downloads/CPRAisnta...

Central Progressive Retinal Atrophy - isn't anymore June 1999

The most exciting outcome of this work is that the supplementation of
vitamin E to the dog's diet can maintain the blood levels at
sufficiently
high values to stop the disease in its tracks.

What has been established is that in dogs which developed this
disease, there is a defect present in the metabolism pathway of
vitamin E.  In the clinically affected breeds we studied, the
serum levels of vitamin E are usually lower than normal and this
means that there is less vitamin E available to the retina.

The constituent chemical in vitamin E is an important antioxidant
substance and it helps protect retinal tissue from damage caused
by light.  Thus, where there is insufficient vitamin E the retina
can be easily damaged. The greater the deficiency the quicker the
disease appears and the quicker it progresses.

The work we have done has shown that affected dogs are simply
not able  to retain ingested vitamin E in their system and
after a meal there is a rapid decay in the blood levels.

In fact this disease is very similar to the disease which
affects the human retina and is called FIVE (Familial
Isolated Vitamin E deficiency). We believe the source of
the defect may be a deficiency of the transport factor
produced by the liver that is required to move vitamin
E around in the circulation.

Some twenty years ago I looked at what could only be
described as an epidemic outbreak of RPED in the Briard
breed and it was those findings which suggested that a
nutritional factor was probably involved in the aetiology
of the condition.  At that time, some thirty percent of the
breed was affected with RPED to varying extent by six years
of age.

At the time I completed a limited assessment of possible
nutritional factors and was impressed with the similarity
of RPED and the retinal changes which occur in acute Vitamin
E deficiency.  In a number of both normal and clinically
affected Briards there was an indication from the blood
work that vitamin E might be significant.

One of the disease scourges of the pedigree dog world is
blindness caused by a number of progressive degenerations
of the retina, grouped together under the term "Progressive
Retinal Atrophy'1 (PRA).

It is a term that strikes fear into the hearts of dog breeders
simply because of its severe effects and the fact that there is
no treatment available.

So what is PRA and why have I entitled this article in such a way?

Sadly, intensive breeding programmes designed to improve the
standard of pedigree dogs have, on occasion, managed to select
deleterious genetic material and that material is seen as disease.

Intensive breeding does not produce the genetic mutations themselves
but the selection involved increases the incidence of mutations in
the general population. Random breeding on the other hand dilutes
this incidence.

With this disease the age of onset is variable and, unlike PRA,
this is not related to the breed of dog involved. RPED has been
recorded as early as fifteen months of age, but it may not make
its appearance until the eighth year of life in the same breed.

It was this considerable variability in the age of onset and the
speed of progression within the same breed which I considered to
indicate that factors other than a genetic predisposition may be
at work.

There is no doubt that breed predisposition clearly demonstrates
a genetic input, but it would seem obvious that other non-genetic
factors could influence the age of onset and the speed at which
the disease changes occur.

                     -----------

> does she DNA screen for the problem?

If the ETHICKAL BREEDER who's LINE BRED their dogs for generations
after generations AIN'T GOT IT then they DON'T NEED to TEST for it.

FurtherMOORE, if they GET IT they can TREAT IT NEARLY INSTANTLY so
they AIN'T GOT NUTHIN to worry abHOWET, do they, Master Of Deception
blankman you miserable lyin dog abusing mental case <{): ~ ) >

>  If not, why not?

On accHOWENT of like hip dysplasia and most other "GENETIC
DIS-EASES" ETHICAL BREEDERS know their lines and know HOWE
to CURE it, if they ACCIDENTALLY get it when the ETHICKAL
BREEDER breeds HOWET of their line to IMPROVE the breed.

AIN'T THAT CORRECT, Master Of Deception blankman.

> Or does the breeder fail to discuss any kind of genetic health
> screening and instead tell you all about the colors or sizes of
> the dogs she is breeding?

ETHICAL breeders who've LINE BRED their dogs for generations
after generation DO NOT NEED "GENETIC SCREENING" if their dogs
AIN'T GOT GENETIC DEFECTS.

When talkin to a ETHICKAL BREEDER abHOWET the GENETICALLY DEFECTIVE
dog's TESTING, that's enough to tell you to BUY FROM A PET SHOP or
backyard breeder who AIN'T GOT SICK DOGS, ain't it, Master Of Decepton
blankman you miserable obsfucationists NETWORKER.

> If you think that having a long and healthy life is more
> important to you than the color/coat/size of the dogs -
> then look for a breeder who also cares about the things
> YOU care about.

If you think givin dogs veterinary approved toxins and
commercial garbage diet and surgical sexual mutilating
them for non medical reasons and jerking choking shocking
bribing crating and murdering their dogs is ETHICKAL then
just go ahead and WARN PEOPLE to KILLFILE The Simply Amazing
Puppy  Wizard as you've been doin for six years <{): ~ ) >

OtherWIZE GET THE HEEL HOWETA The Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums.

> Unfortunately dachshunds are not a breed that has
> strong leadership in  health issues.

That's MEANINGLESS DHOWEBLETALK you SCAM ARTIST ignorameHOWES.

> Fortunately the breed is better than for many small dogs.

Oh? So then all the original poster gotta worry abHOWET
is coat color, Master Of Deception blankman?

> So if you decide that supporting breeders who care is more
> important than finding the right dog easily and quickly it
> can be done.  If finding a dog quickly and easily is more
> important than good health - you can do that too.

You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses you malignant obsfucationist.

> http://www.dachsie.org/health.html
> In a breed with such a big imbalance between dogs produced
> and breeder who test for good genetic health the place I
> recommend starting is the OFA database.

Ahhh, yes, the OFA. That's the HIP DYSPLASIA OBSFUCATION NETWORK.

> Find the breeders who are testing their dogs.

You mean ETHICKAL breeders who GOT SICK DOGS <{): ~  (  >

>  There is still homework to do - but it is a reasonable
>  starting place. http://www.offa.org

Well, this MEDICAL RESEARCH will PROVE your OFA is another
EHTICKAL BREEDER / big pharmacutical company SCAM, like
you and your NETWORKING BUSINESS:

torsion) by 320%.

http://www.belfield.com/article5.html

Canine Hip Dysplasia (CHD),  a crippling disease of the coxofemoral
joint (hip), was first observed and reported in 1945 by the late Dr.
Gary Schnelle. Dr. Schnelle was the staff radiologist at Angels
Memorial Hospital at Boston, Massachusetts and reported his
observations
in The North American Veterinarian Journal and termed the condition
"Congenital Coxofemoral Subluxation".

Though "congenital", by definition, means "existing at
birth but not hereditary", Schnelle theorized the cause
to be a recessive gene. Today, this condition is associated
with the large breeds of canines, however Schnelle's initial
observations were in the smaller breeds i.e., cocker spaniels,
terriers, etc..

During the 1960's, Dr. Wayne Riser, a veterinary pathologist,
collaborated with a geneticist and postulated the concept that
CHD was "polygenetic with environmental overtones" and during
this time frame, the term "Canine Hip Dysplasia" was born.

There has been a string of professionals who have perpetuated the
heredity theory even until the present. We have been encouraged to
breed selectively, alter, and in some cases, euthanize the afflicted
canines.

This is what the veterinary experts have been insisting the dog
breeders and fanciers do to prevent CHD for the past fifty-two
years. Is it possible we have been on the wrong track for more
than a half century? One authority, of a veterinary teaching
institution in a personal correspondence to the author, admitted
the "experts" have failed to solve the CHD problem.

In 1976, The author published his observations ("Chronic Subclinical
Scurvy and Canine Hip Dysplasia") in his small animal practice through
the administration of vitamin C to prevent CHD. Whether this concept
has been accepted or not it has sparked controversy, and has some
veterinarians reassessing the archaic heredity theory. There are two
unanswered relevant questions the "experts" have failed to answer to
prove the heredity theory.

Why are we so loathe to believe the idea today that so many
of our killers today such as cancer and heart disease can
be prevented by getting enough of the substances found in
fresh fruits and vegetables and other healthy foods?

Perhaps in the past we had the excuse of a lack of evidence,
but today that dodge is no longer an acceptable excuse for
neglecting healthy practices. And Dr. Packer points out that
a healthy diet is not nearly enough, we need to supplement
our modern diets to get the optimum amounts of these antioxidants.

Dr. Packer explains that of the hundreds of known antioxidants
there are five which seem to be the most important, and which
operate as a network, meaning that they help balance and recycle
each other. Cells are essentially filled with water surrounded
by a fatty wall, so both fat and water soluble varieties are
important.

Two of the network antioxidants are water soluble (vitamin C
and glutathione), two are fat soluble (vitamin E and CoQ10),
and one (lipoic acid) is both fat and water soluble. The
importance of this latter team member has only been known in
the last decade. It may be the most important of all and most
daily supplement manufacturers don't even include it.

Here's another EXXXCELLENT study on dysplasia
and vitamin C: http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm

> --
> Diane Blackman
>          There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
>          while preaching with violent words.
> http://dog-play.com/    http://dogplayshops.com/

You're nuthin but a FRAUD a LIAR a CON ARTIST a SCAMMER
a SPAMMER and a MENTAL CASE who HURTS INTIMDIATES MUTILATES
and MURDERS innocent defenseless dumb critters for PROFIT
and to compensate for your own fragile defective ego, weak
fearful mind and colossal inferiority complexes.

And while The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard got you by
the short hairs Master Of Deception blankman, HE might
as well take advantage of the opportunity of stickin it
to the dog food companies to boot:

Here's the RESEARCH article from Purdue:
http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/dietrisk.htm

HIP DYSPLASIA simply is a lack of VITAMIN C in your dogs diet.
Almost all dogs in the U. S . are raised on commercial dog food-
with no NATURAL VITAMIN C.

True, the manufacturers add ascorbic acid, but this chemical
form of Vitamin C just isn't good enough. Your dog MUST get
Vitamin C in his diet on a daily basis from a natural source,
like fresh vegetables or RAW MILK or Vitamin C made from a
VEGETABLE SOURCE"

Recent research from Purdue SEZ that ascorbic acid added
to dog food INCREASES the chances of GVD (bloat, gastric
torsion) by 320%.

steve crane aka gaubster (his secret alias) is the NUTRITIONIST /
SALESMAN for Science Diet Dog Foods International <{) : ~ )  >

Lolajoker ASKED steve to comment on the recent report from Purdue.
HE WON'T ADDRESS the ISSUE on accHOWENT of: Science Diet PRESERVES
THEIR DOG FOOD with (DRUMROLL, PLEASE, Mr. Maestro) ***CITRIC ACID***
Ta Dah! RIMSHOT: BANG~! (Thank you, Mr. Maestro!).

Perhaps it's time for you to find HOWET where steve is these
days and join him on accHOWENT of HE AIN'T POSTIN HERE abHOWETS
noDogdameneDMOORE on accHOWENT of HE'S A FRAUD, like yourself.

    The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_@HotMail.Com - 11 Jun 2006 12:33 GMT
HOWEDY Jerome,

> > What qualifies your dog as breed quality, Jerome
>
> AKC and Canadian Breed Champions, and obedience and performance
> titles in AKC, UKC, NADAC, and USDAA longer that your post

So called traditional obedience training can CAUSE seizures and ALL
the other STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES aka The
Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{) : ~ (  >

It's also responsible for SNIPPIN CROSS POSTS, Jerome, yet
another SYMPTOM of The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome  <{) : ~ (  >

> Jerry

Here's a very similar POSTED CASE HISTORY to your own dog's:

>From The Annals OfHuman_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_
                                 Research_Laboratory

Subject:                          dog/seizures

HOWEDY david,

David Sherman wrote:

> Wiz,

You mean 'HOWEDY The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard'
don't you, david. Didn't you momma ever teach you
to say 'HOWEDY' when greetin folks, david? You
didn't seem to have no problem for sayin 'HOWEDY'
when you was sayin HOWEDY to your punk thug coward
active acute chronic long term incurable mental case
pals: "Hello everyone, it's been a very stressful
few months", did you, david <{) ; ~ ) >

> a few meds like phenobarb wouldn't hurt you either -

The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard "JUST SEZ NO!"
to psychotropic pharmacuticals <{): ~ ) >

> you crazy sumbitch.

Your dog is havin PSYCHOGENIC SEIZURES, david:

"Back in October my 2 year old Poodle/ Golden mix - Dixie -
was having all kinds of neurological problems - we thought
due to some tick borne disease."

> But for all your lunacy you make a few good points.

You mean like THIS?:

"After many vet visits and a few visits to two brilliant vet
neurologists
in Yonkers, NY she's been diagnosed with Granulomatous
Meningoencephalitis (GME) a nasty auto-immune disease."

Local: Tues, Oct 4 2005 6:44 am
Subject: Re: Speeding Dog - need help!!! (to Wiz)

HOWEDY David,

David Sherman wrote:
> No, a.shole, it's not that I don't like you.

This ain't about LIKING, it's about training and STRESS
INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE
dermer's and most of the other dog abuser's dogs got,
for the same reason.

>  It's that you want to preach instead of help.

I've been offering you and everyone else my manual
and all the additional FREE HEELP you could ever
ask for, since DAY WON.

> And right now, help is what I need.

You got it:

WELCOME to The Incredibly Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy
WIzard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums.

I'm Jerry Howe, The Incredibly Freakin Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

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> If you have anything specific, lay it on me.

STUDY IT and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS PRECISELY. Do
ALL the EXXXORCISES and ASK ME if you need any
additional FREE HEELP. You should see results NEARLY
INSTANTLY, maybe faster or we'll KNOW your dog got
some EXXXOTIC DIS-EASE.

> I don't want a lecture, I want details.

It's ALL in my manual, and it's ALL EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
OPPOSITE of EVERY THING you've been taught by these miserable
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards who've misled you
since DAY WON.

> I'll try anything.  Point me to your f.cking Amazing
> web site and I'll download whatever I think can HELP
> my dog.

THANK YOU, David <{); ~ ) >

              ---------------

> Just in case you don't remember since the Dark Lord has
> been dictating what to write on your newsgroup posts, I'll
> remind you:

IT'S ALL indellibly archived in The Annals Of Human And Animal
Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory, david <{): ~ ) >

> Puppy Wizard - that crazy sumbitch wrote:

> > HOWEDY david sherman you lyin dog abusing mental case,

> Howdy Wiz, you crazy sumbitch!

> I'm a little hurt by this.  I've never lied to you.

You lie abHOWET your dog, david <{); ~ ( >

> But anyway...

You mean anyHOWE, david <{): ~ (  >

> >> When a vet can¹t pinpoint a cause of seizures
> >> he diagnoses the condition as epilepsy.

You mean he blows smoke up HOWER arses, david <{): ~ ( >

> >> He also might suspect auto-immune disease

You mean STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The
Puppy Wizard's Syndrome, like HOWE The Freakin Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard been tellin you all along, david.

> >> for which he¹ll put your dog on a steroid to combat the
> >> inflammation in your dog¹s brain which might be causing
> >> the seizures.

You mean instead of EXXXTINGUISHING the STRESS
and CURING the SEIZURE DIS-EASE, david?:

"Dixie seems to have the "focal" variety where the inflammation
is localized in one section of the brain giving her twitches
and possibly a big old headache, but it's not fatal, and not
affecting her sight (I've read that the "optic" variety of GME
causes blindness.)"

cate's dog Orson got that, david. The Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard has written abHOWET "GME" pryor:  Granulomatous
Meningoencephalitis (GME). This is a NON contagious, multi-
site brain and spinal cord tumor. There has been a noticeable
incidence of GME in Fanconi dogs. The link is not known, and
NOT all Fanconi dogs develop GME. It is best diagnosed with
a CT Scan with Hypaque type contrast.  MRI can also be used.
No known treatment has been successful for GME.

Dexamethasone or Prednisone can offer some symptom relief
and slight increase in life-span, but GME is an aggressive,
Fast growing cancer."

> > THAT'S SHEER IDIOCY AIN'T IT, david. That AIN'T heelped YOUR dog.

> > HAS IT, david.

> Actually Wiz,

You mean 'actually The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard', david.

> it has!

INDEED?:

"Over the past six months she has responded well to steroids,
but every time we tried to taper the dosage, we'd get below
.5 mg daily and her inflammation would come back.

Last month her condition deteriorated to the point
that she started to have grand mal seizures."

> We increased her dosage of steroids and she's had a
> great couple of days.  Almost normal, I'd say.  Aren't
> you happy about that Wiz?

That crap KILLS dogs, david:

"Our new vet is determined to get her healthy using a
combination of steroids, immunosuppressant drugs (right
now he's given her Imuran,) and Phenobarbital.

She responds almost immediately to the increased dosage
of steroids, so she's feeling much better at the moment.
I think the plan is to keep her at a higher level of
steroids until the Imuran starts to work, which can be
from two to four weeks.  Then we have to check her white
blood cell count every two weeks for a while to make sure
that we're killing lots of white blood cells, but not all
of them. Once she becomes stable,"

> > That so, david? Like all the NEUROLOGISTS you've taken
> > your dog to, for the SAME PROBLEM, david? All you gotta
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > so IT CAN GET OVER her FEAR of you jerkin and chokin IT
> > every time IT sees a chicken bone on the GRHOWEND <{); ~ ) >

> Woa, that static interference your hearing isn't coming
> from your radio, Wiz, it's coming from inside your head!

Yeah, probably so, david. It was just playin THIS tune:

"we're going to try to go and see the great holistic vet
Martin Goldstein who is not far from where we live.  The
hope is that we can use a combination of traditional and
non-traditional medicine to keep her healthy while not
poisoning her to death."

> Now here's where I think you make a point worth considering:

INDEED?

"I'd really love to hear from anyone who has a dog that
suffers from GME who wouldn't mind sharing their experiences
and what kind of treatment they received."

Most of your pals here got dogs with seizures, david.
They ain't have much LUCK with them, david <{): ~ ( >

> I do use a standard leash and collar.

INDEED?

> I'm going to consider changing that.

The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard TOLD YOU HOWE
COME your dog is havin seizures months ago, david <{); ~ ) >

> She's not a puller, but in order to control her

Like when she's diving for a chicken wing or used hypo syringe?

> I do have to pull on the leach sometimes.

You mean LIKE THIS, david?:

"She has been impossible to walk with all the pulling and
sniffing, and I'm starting to get angry at her, which I'm
sure isn't helping the situation."

The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you can't DO that,
david.  It'll cause your dog to fear and hate walkin on leash.
THAT'S HOWE COME dogs do their "HAPPY DANCE" when they see their
leashes and choke and pronged spiked pinch choke collars comin
HOWET and have SEIZURES when they look at chicken bones on the
GRHOWEND, david <{): ~ ) >

> That could be causing neck problems,

robin nuttal crippled two of her Dobes with Woblers
as did white monkey aka katrina cripple her Dane
with it as racetrack silly and a few other dog abusing
punk thug coward mental cases here abHOWETS cripple
their own dogs with "spondylosis" as did professor
scruff shake cripple his doggy Maxie The Magnificent
FuriHOWESLY Obsesive Masturbtor with degenerative disc
DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{): ~ ( >

LikeWIZE all the cases of TPLO aka ruptured cranial
cruciate ligament DIS-EASE, the #1 surgery followin
unnecessary inapupriate surgical sexual mutilations.

> although I don't think it's giving her stress.

Dixie's STRESS comes EVERY TIME she's walked an
sees a chicken BHOWEN on the GRHOWEND that you
gotta jerk and choke her to stop <{); ~ ( >

> As for garbage on the streets of NYC here, yes, there
> is plenty.  No Deer Ticks, but plenty of chicken bones.
> In this respect Dixie is well trained not to eat anything
> that ain't in her bowl or in my hand.

That's a pretty high degree of TRAININ ain't it, david,
considerin that MOST of the DOG LOVERS here abHOWETS
CAN'T TRAIN their own dogs not to steal food right off
of their own C-HOWENTERS tables and HOWETA their garbage
bins or destroy their HOWESES an sh.t an eat it and wait
patiently in their crate for a cookie.

> She walks up and sniffs chicken bones all the time,
> but she never picks them up.

From:   A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet
Date:           Fri, Jan 13 2006 11:23 am

HOWEDY david,

David Sherman wrote:
> I'm aware that the North Shore Animal League has a large
> number of dogs rescued from New Orleans.  I just recently
> met a beautiful 10 month old Chocolate Lab who was stranded
> in his house for two weeks.  As sad as it is, he is a healthy
> and happy boy, is making new friends at the dog run, and has
> an owner who dotes over him.

EXXXCELLENT! Just as you dote over your DEATHLY ILL dog Dixie.

Hey david? Was you there lookin for a REPLACEMENT for your own
dog who when we last chit chatted WAS DYIN of CONSTANT STRESS
INDUCED PSYCHOGENIC SEIZURES and you'd been spendin THOWESANDS
of bucks tryin unsuccessfully to CON-TROLL her seizures with
veterinary unversity neurologists?

> That being said, the only advice I'd give is to keep an open mind.

Yeah. Your dog's seizures was caused by jerking and choking IT
EVERY TIME you walked IT on the streets of NYC trying to stop
her from EATIN GARBAGE <{) ; ~  )  >

From: David Sherman <possibl...@possible20.org>
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 03:18:45 GMT

Subject: Acidophilus

My dog - a 2 year old Golden Retriever Poodle mix - seems to have
a delicate stomach (a trait I understand she inherits from the
Golden Retriever side of the family.)  I was wondering if regular
Acidophilus could help her, or would it do more harm than good?

Any serious comments would be appreciated.

Thanks.

             -----------

Dogs DO NOT have "delicate stomach" TRAITS
they INHERIT from their mommy david, they
PUKE on accHOWENT of they're anXXXIHOWES.

From: David Sherman <possibl...@possible20.org>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:58:17 GMT

Subject: Another poop question

Okay gang...

Dixie, year and a half Goldendoodle, has had
very soft stool for nearly a month.

We've tinkered with her diet and her treats, but
there was no real change.

I don't think her food is the problem.  She's been
on it for a little over a year and she hasn't had
problem with her stool for months.

The vet doesn't think previous bouts of soft
stool had to do with allergies.

Here's what concerns me:

1.  She was bitten by another dog about a month ago -
a very small bite that scabbed over and fell off.  I
don't know the other dog, so I don't know if he's had
all his shots.

2.  She chews sticks at the park.  It occurs me that the
   city sometimes spreads rat poison outside the dog run...

Do either of these things cause diarrhea?

I'm talking to the vet tomorrow, but I'd
like to get some feedback from the group.

                    -----------
From: David Sherman <possibl...@possible20.org>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:54:03 GMT

Subject: Arrrghhhh... another poop question!

While we're waiting for the labs to come back
form our latest stool sample...

Dixie may have - *may have* - gotten her face into
a bucket filled with rock salt that our bonehead
doorman left unattended in the middle of the lobby.

she also may have gotten a lick in even though I
pulled her head out immediately.

Today her stool wasn't stool, but liquid.

Could this have been caused by the rock salt?

Once again, the knowledge of the group would be greatly appreciated.

               ------------

> Still, it never hurts to be a little more vigilant.

HOWE did you TRAIN her not to eat crap, david? The
Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard has been talkin
abHOWET tara.green2's "LEAVE IT" command. She's a
NYC trainer, have you takin classes with her, david?

Your dogs "Irritable BHOWEL DIS-EASE" is likeWIZE a STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{); ~ ) >

From: David Sherman <possibl...@possible20.org>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:25:33 GMT

Subject: Re: Acidophilus

buglady wrote on 5/15/05 9:54 PM:

> ........WRT skin issues and probiotics you might want to
> look at this reference  - click on clinical studies and
> look for: http://www.usprobiotics.org/

> Effect of probiotic Lactobacillus strains in children
> with atopic dermatitis.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> would hurt in your situation.  What kind of stomach troubles
> does your dog have?

Okay.  Two weeks ago Dixie vomited up a piece of whit I
guess was a chicken bone and a few blades of grass.  The
next day she developed terrible diarrhea - and I mean terrible.

rice had no effect.  The following morning she ate a mouthful
of food refused to eat the rest and in a few minutes vomited
up what she had eaten.

At this point we went to the vet.  X-rays to see if there
was a bone stuck somewhere.  There wasn't any.  Blood work
to see if there were raised liver and kidney functions (at
least that's what I think it was for.)

She spent the day at the vet with an IV tube to flush her
system out with fluids.  the also started her on Antibiotics
and Tagament.  We brought her home that night and were
instructed to fast her and bring her back in the morning.

the following morning we went back to the vet.  They put the
IV back in, and started giving her small amounts of I.D. dog
food.  We took her home again and were asked to feed her small
amounts if I.D. and make sure she kept her food down which she
did.  We also continued the antibiotics and Tagament for three
more days.  She didn't poop for another two days.  finally she
started moving her bowels again.

So here we are today with the following problems:  1.  Her
stool is border line formed but very soft.  2.  She still
doesn't seem regular.  She used to poop at pretty regular
intervals, now I never know when she's going to go.

3.  She is passing much more gas than usual.  4.  She just
doesn't seem herself.  She acts a little funny when her
stomach is upset and she's been acting like that for a week.

I'm going to speak to the vet today to check in and tell
them my concerns.

What I'm really concerned about is I think they laid down
some kind of chemical near where we walk every day and maybe
my dog got a snootful of it.

Maybe it was on the grass that she swallowed.  But she seems
healthy now. She playful and is keeping her food down.  I
just think her stomach doesn't feel good - hence the loose
stool and the off-kilter behavior.

I was wondering if something like Acidophilus might
help her with the problems she's been having

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

David Sherman

                     -------------

> > "Thanks"

HOWE COME you don't say "THANK YOU The Freakin
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard" like everyWON else?

Subject: Re: Speeding dog

HOWEDY david,

"David Sherman" <possibl...@possible20.org> wrote in message

news:BF60C0E2.11F0%possible20@possible20.org...

> Hello all.  I've been reading but staying away from posting.

Because every time you post The Amazing Puppy Wizard makes
you LOOK like a dog abusing mental case like the rest of the posters
here. Isn't that correct, david.

> I have a problem with my 2 year old Poodle/ Golden mix.

Naaah?

> If I didn't know any better,

You don't, david, otherWIZE you wouldn't be postin here.

> I'd say she's been taking speed ... Or at least diet pills.

You mean she can't sleep or do you mean she's
HYPERACTIVE and HOWETA CON-TROLL, david?

> Seriously, for the past three days she has had a kind of nervous energy
> that's starting to trouble me a little.  She seems nervous, puzzled, and
> can't relax.  She paces a lot home  and when she's resting she seems to
>  move from one place to another with greater frequency than usual.

Ooops! Sounds like she's got sumpthin seriously wrong.

OR SHE'S GOT AN OCD like many of the dogs here...

There are  biophysical reasons HOWE COME  MOST
OF HOWER DOG LOVER'S DOGS ARE breakin DHOWEN
DYIN an DROPPIN DEAD from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

> At first I thought she had an upset stomach.  When that happens

Dogs don't "USUALLY GET upset stomachs" UNLESS
they're HYPERACTIVE and HOWETA CON-TROLL.

>  she usually starts smelling and sniffing almost compulsively.

You think that's a SYMPTOM of an upset stomach???

> But it has gone beyond this now and for the past three
>  days,  she's been out of her mind a little.

I'd BET she's been "SICK" a lot longer than three days.

> Her pooping and peeing and eating is all normal.  She runs
> with her friends at the park for an hour to hour and a half
> every day.

OtherWIZE she's HOWETA CON-TROLL, david? Sounds
like your dog is HYPERACTIVE and HOWETA CON-TROLL
because she's ABUSED, david.

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE.

> She is in pretty good  shape physically.

Because you need to give her EXXXCESSIVE EXXXORCISE
to FORCE CON-TROLL of her HYPERACTIVE behaviors, david.

> It is a school yard, so there is the possibility that she got
> into some food without me seeing.  Or some soda or a candy bar.

You're gonna have a very close relationship with your
vet JUST LIKE professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer
had with his HYPERACTIVE HOWETA CON-TROLL
dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive
Compulsive Masturbator, david.

> My question is:  can a candy bar or soda or anything
> else she ingested have this great an impact?

Chocolate can KILL a dog but she's large enough she
shouldn't have a problem from a kid size candy bar.

> Is there a medical condition that speeds dogs
> up instead of slow them down?

Yeah. It's CALLED The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, david.

> I'm getting to my wits end.

You had your opportunity long ago, david.

> She has been impossible to walk with all the pulling and
> sniffing, and I'm starting to get angry at her, which I'm
> sure isn't helping the situation.

INDEED?

> Sorry for the length of this, but I sure could use
> some  of the good  knowledge of this group.

THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR DOG IS HOWETA CON-TROLL.

> Thanks.

You're welcome, david <{); ~ ) >

                  -----------

From: David Sherman <possibl...@possible20.org>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:51:04 GMT

Subject: Re: Speeding Dog - need help!!! Update

Dixie is not at a Neurologist.  He examined her today and
determined that it was something going on in her "mid-cranium".

He want to take an MRI of her brain tomorrow.

They haven't yet determined what's up inside her head - they
haven't ruled out inflammation.  Due to her age, they don't
suspect cancer or some kind of mass.  But they think there
is a possibility of a lesion in the brain.

They just have to find out what is putting pressure or causing
seizures. Maybe she took a mighty bump on the head, ingested
some kind of toxin.

And the Neurologist does think she is having seizures.
He put her on Phenobarbital and Valium for tonight.

Meanwhile, if you all have just a moment, please send Dixie
a few positive thoughts.  My wife and I would certainly
appreciate it.

If you'd like to have a look at Dixie:

http://www.doodlebreeders.com/rockytopfiles/previous.html

(Dixie is the top picture.)

             ----------

Speeding dog - new update

From: Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory

Date:           Sun, Oct 9 2005 4:02 am

HOWEDY david,

David Sherman wrote:
> Hi all.
> The saga with Dixie continues...

Your dog would be CURED by now if you'd been
using the EFFECTIVE METHODS I teach for FREE.

> After the MRI of her brain came back normal,

There AIN'T NUTHIN WRONG with your dog but FEAR, david.
Your dog is "SICK" because she's AFRAID because you jerk
and choke him.

> the neurologist suspected Epilepsy.

Yeah, just like jencoffman's and matty's dogs.

>  However he took some spinal fluid and the pathology
> came back showing a type of white blood cells that
> would indicate inflammation.  But they're not saying
> encephalitis.

There's NUTHIN physically wrong other than she's ABUSED.

> I guess this is good news.

Yeah, the NEWS is 2 years old, david. I been
TELLIN YOU this was gonna happen just like
matty's dog is SICK.

> At least it's news.

Perhaps you'd have followed my FREE method if
I'd of charged you three THOWESAND BUCKS like
you've just pissed away on your "vets".

> We didn't know anything since last Friday when
> we took her to the vet with what seemed like
> small seizures coming in vary rapid succession.

You knew from your first SEIZURE post that your
dog is sufferin from STRESS from you jerkin and
chokin her to keep her from eatin chicken bones
and pizza crust and used syringes and surgical
gloves on the streets of NYC, david.

If you'd FEEL better I'll offer you my FREE
manual for three THOWESAND bucks and you can
END this "saga" of abuse and misdiagnosis.

> Now he suspects an auto-immune disease.

JUST LIKE I BEEN TELLIN YOU, david. Your
dog is having SEIZURES from STRESS, The
Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

> Has tapered off the Phenobarbital just a little,
> and has started giving her big doses of steroids.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

> Today she seemed a little better,

That so?

> but still far from right.

Naaah?

>  Her eyes still dart around often,

You mean like she thinks the sky is fallin.

> her face and her lower jaw twitches from time to time,

Naaah?

> she has small head jerks,

Like liea's dog Cubbe:

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe
at the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.

She*trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --Lia
> and her back legs seem very weak and they tremble.

Yeah, that sez you're due for cruciate ligament failure.

> He also just ordered up a bunch of blood tests
> to check for any tick borne illnesses.

Perhaps you should take her to a Shaman and
have him clear her auras and blow some holy
smoke up your arses, eh david?

> So, a few have been really kind with your time.

You mean, the other mental cases who's dogs GOT
THE SAME PROBLEM for the SAME REASON, david.

> If you wouldn't mind giving me your impressions

Permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to consult HIS
crystal ball, david...

> or thoughts I surely appreciate it.

You ain't gonna like what The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's crystal ball sez, david.

>  Why steroids?

Because that tends to reduce the effects of STRESS.

>  Why not antibiotics?

BECAUSE SHE AIN'T SICK, david.

>  If it isn't seizures, why don't they
> discontinue the pheno?

Because she may DROP DEAD on you, david.

DOGS DIE FROM STRESS, david.

> Thanks guys.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

> This has been a really tough week.

Naaah, it's been NORMAL, david.

HOWEDY warta.matt,

Warta.M...@gmail.com wrote:
> >           ALL Critters Only Respond In

>               PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
>                   INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
>        To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
>                    Which We Create For Them.

> Jerry, my man, I think I understand now.

Good. You'd have to be psychotic not to understand.

> There is hope.

There's ALWAYS hope. Let's all PREY for HOPE.

> There is help.

No, there ain't no heelp, warta.matt.

>  Check this out.  I could change your life forever.

> http://www.jimhopper.com/male-ab/

> "Approximately one in six boys is sexually abused before age 16." so
> sayeth the site.  Once you get to 16, I assume you won't look as good
> to your family, but do you really want to put up with this for the next
> four years?  Once you feel you have been educated,     go here to find
> other children ho have been through what you have been through.

> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/help/isa.htm

> Get the help you need.

The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard was never molested.
His DADDY taught him if someWON tries to do SISSY
with you to call the cops.

> I sympathise with your situation, but trying to make people
> who are looking for REAL help with their pets lives miserable
> by making those who would like to help unable to read the posts
> of those who are seeking it by writing novel-long posts of pure
> innanity WILL NOT SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM!!!!

You've been postin the same problems for months. You
lock your dog in a box too small for him to lay DHOWEN
if he has a mistake. He's sufferin physical symptoms of
painick attacks due to your training.

> I do not care that they are family, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO
> DO THESE THINGS TO A CHILD!!!!!  Stop the circle of abuse.

That's what The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard has been doin
warta.matt. Abuse comes in many forms. Some of us like to
psychologically abuses others. Others take their anger
HOWET on their children or dogs.

> If you don't, You will not stop at animals.

That's right. It's all related.

> It says that somewhere.

Sez alot somewhere.

> I am sure that one of the orginizations listed on that
> website may even be able to help you in whatever country
> you hail from.

We was talkin abHOWET your dog havin painick attacks
and shittin hisself and eatin it when you lock IT in
a box on accHOWENT of you can't leave IT loose on acc-
HOWENT of IT will DESTROY your HOWES <{); ~ ) >

That's the result of your CRATE TRAINING.

> It may even be a fast track to immigration into a civilized country!!

You any good with ropes?

> Just do me a favor, young Mr. Howe.

The answer is NO. NO FAVORS.

> look at the sites, and beginh building yourself a better life.

The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard has PROVEN EVERYTHING HE SEZ.

> Let us adults handle our animal problems in peace,

You're a pathetic animal and child abuser.

>  without your acting out.

         The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
             Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
                      Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
              Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
           Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment,
                Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness,
         Aversion, Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion,
           Change, Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
                             And
             Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.

                YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.

       It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.

              The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ )  >

Thurs,Jun 16 2005 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two

HOWEDY malinda,

Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <robin4joy-49BEBF.23045015062.­....@news.west.cox.net>,
> Robin  <robin4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [nothing of value]

"Success!" is what Robin wrote, malinda.

Robin wrote that she CURED her 12 year old dogs
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
using her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{);~ ) >

> jeebus but you're a selfish, inconsiderate dimwit.

That so? Didn't you want to know HOWE she done it, malinda?

> Plonk.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHH­AHAAAA!!!

> --
> Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - s...@panix.com
> Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Welcome to REALITY you miserable lying dog abusing mental case:

Here's someMORE "DEEPLY UNCOOL" from malinda's CASE HISTORY:

Subject: semi OT- water dish
From:  Melinda Shore

malinda wrote:
> They're heavy when full and they're one of the few
> things that Eclipse hasn't seen fit to relocate within
> the house

Well HOWE COME would she WANT to what with all the
other GOOD STUFF you provide for her to play with?

> (last week I found a lightbulb in her crate,

Like THAT for EXXXAMPLE. NHOWE THAT'S CREATIVITY.
You should encourage your dogs to do more play /
learnin / trainin activities. Dogs are like wet
sponges, don't you know!

HOWEver, The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard
can't think of ANYTHING MOORE DANGERHOWES for a
doggy to PLAY with, malinda. Perhaps you should
offer her an alternate?

Try TRADING UP for sumpthin of higher value. Perhaps
you can offer to let her make her own choice of say,
ANY TWO items from your bedroom in EXXXCHANGE?

> for pete's sake -

Ahhh, yes, Pete. That's Laura's dog you was tellin
abHOWET HOWE to post through The Freakin Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums <{): ~ ) >

> I have no idea where she got it from).

Perhaps she got it from your bedroom, malinda?:

http://www.employees.org/~shore/trashedbedroom2.jpg

You might wanna ask janet or matty HOWE to manage
and supervise your doggys so they won't steal STUFF
from your garbage?

> I think it would be kind of an effort
> to tip one of those over.

You mean instead of just trainin them not to do it?

> --
>  Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - s...@panix.com
>  Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

                ----------

You wanna see MOORE "DEEPLY UNCOOL", malinda?

Welcome to REALITY you miserable lying dog abusing mental case:

Crystals dog don't attack innocent defenseless furry
woodslands critters like malinda's psychotic HOWETA
CON-TROLL dogs:

From:  Melinda Shore
Date:  Tues, May 9 2006 2:21 pm
Email:   s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)

In article <e3qldc$g4...@naig.caltech.edu>,
Ilja Friedel  <i...@clyde.caltech.edu> wrote:

> You can never stress enough what dangers threaten
> the average dog (cougars, bears, snakes to name a few).

Many, many years ago I used to take my (I thought)
well-behaved, well-trained dog out on the trail off-leash.
One evening as it was getting dark she saw a deer she wanted
to chase and took off.

As in gone.

So there we were, wandering around in the dark for several
hours trying to find a dog that could have run 20 or more
miles in the time it took to finally find her.

That was the end of off-leash hiking for us.

It doesn't even have to be an attack for
bad things to happen to your dog.

--
    Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - s...@panix.com
     Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

            ===========

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 Jul 2005 13:13:04 -0700
Subject: Re: For Handsome Jack Morrison:
Collars - belated reply

Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <fii2e19ad371r3kq9t1nvkbfrmog2v3...@4ax.com>,
> shelly  <scouvre...@bluemarble.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >  but i simply don't care enough to be bothered.  so,
> >  what, exactly, is your point?
?
> I do have a desire to have my dogs not raid the trash or
> counter surf, and guess what?  They don't.  Being dogs,
> however, they had to learn.

But you have no desire to train your dogs not to
ruin your bedroom in your absence, obviously.

http://www.employees.org/~shore/trashedbedroom2.jpg

It's what the trained dogs of our friend Melinda
have done, when left alone at home.

Lucy.

HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:
> Robin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> > Jerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
> > mental cases too much credit for the ability to influence

Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >

> You really are a piece of work.

INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual and REPORTED her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS
RIGHT HERE on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >

You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >

> Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?

Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin punk
thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >

> --
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

IN FACT, Robin followed up on her original 100% NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL REPORT with a other WON, matty.
PERHAPS you'd like to READ IT,

From: michael <c...@dogtv.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:01:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Training with Wits End

Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <3e60d...@clear.net.nz>,
> Paul B <NOS...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> dislike Jerry rather than simply ignoring him.
> Aside from people taking personal affront, it's a lie.

You tell lies about Jerry every time you open your
fat mouth you stupid ugly despicable defamating c#@t
from heel.

You just said he has no dogs and that he's not a dog
trainer. Both massive defamatory lies, designed to
defame and discredit, you dumbfucking fugly fatass
ugly dumb f.cking c&#t from heel. What the f.ck planet
do you live on that you think you can get away with
this crap and then turn around and call somebody a
liar ???

You and your pals lie and slander every time you say
Jerry stole his methods and you lie every time you
talk about the "original sources" that you never
provide.

You tell lie upon lie upon lie until you suffocate in
your own bullshit. There's not a dog trainer alive with
a mOORe original and a mOORe unique and un"stolen"
methodogy than Jerry Howe.

It's not our fault that you can't get a date! Take your
lies and bitterness and poison somewhere else. YOu have
nothing to offer here but LIES, SLANDER, INNUENDO,
BITTERNESS, and SELF-HATE.

Jerry is a SAINT compared to you. At least he does
SOMETHING good for people.

You do nothing. You are wretched and despicable and
beneath the most lowly of contempt. You disgust me
utterly. As liars come, you're about the best that
Usenet has to offer. You have no shame and you have
no conscience.

Here's a newsgroup for you:
rec.old.bitter.lonely.jewish.B­­USH(as in
George)loving.lesbian.SUVdrivi­­ng.terrorist.supporters
go there Malinda, Queen of Snakes. Begone and trouble us
noMOORE

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From: Robin Barr <robinba...@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:50:58 -0800

Subject: Re: HELP needed ASAP
In article <O31ud.13611$r72.108...@weber.videotron.net>,

regimbalm <regimb...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> MauiJNP wrote:
> > my dog tries to jump up on the table.  he did it today when
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> I would also suggest you go a do basic obedience training you
> need to learn how to control your do,, good luck

I'm only jumping in on this thread now, so don't know if the Puppy
Wizard responded to the original poster with a link to his Wit's End
Dog Training Manual, which he offers at no cost.   Although you are
correct to say the dog needs to learn to not jump on the table, and
your suggestion would certainly contain the dog,  I don't think it
would TEACH the dog very effectively or quickly.

The Puppy Wizard (Jerry) offers a very quick, kind and gentle way
to teach a dog anything, even eliminating separation anxiety and
allergies.

I hope the original poster sees this, and if you own a dog, perhaps
you might be interested in taking a look also.  You'll find it's so
much quicker (and kinder, and gentler) than any other method.

The proof is in the pudding, right?  Just give it a try.  You've
heard the old saying, you get more with honey than vinegar.  If
you do try this method and find it effective, please pass it on
to other pet owners.  You'll be doing a good deed. I'm planning
to email it to my friends, relatives, and business associates who
are pet owners as a Christmas or Chanukah gift.

And more, if you have any questions about the training method, or run
into difficulties, unlike the tone of many of the Puppy Wizard's posts
(aka the Grim Reaper), you'll find him extremely helpful, always
available, patient (yes, I said patient:) and kind (yes, I said kind:).

                   ================

From: Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:49:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Paging Puppy Wizard

In article <pan.2005.06.16.03.47.42.331...@skepticism.us>,
"Kurtis D. Rader" <kra...@skepticism.us> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:50:08 -0700, Robin wrote:
> > In article <1118672970.419103.259...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> rational people no longer listen to the "puppy wizard"
> has nothing to do with grammar

Kurtis,

I believe myself to be rational (I'm not saying this
defensively), and the reactions from the people in my
world (friends, family, tradespeople, neighbors,
acquaintences, business people, my healthcare givers,
and it goes on and on) seem to reflect that I probably
am rational.

Kurtis, the reason I look beyond the exterior, is
because sometimes, not always, there is something
of value.  I've found this to be true many times in
my life.

If you've been following my posts, I have a difficult
situation with my little dog, and I've followed all the
mainstream thinking and techniques for separation anxiety,
to no avail.

One of the reasons I decided to take Jerry's manual more
seriously was the feedback from those who had who had
achieved positive results.  And I'm glad I did (please
see my post to Jerry about tonight's session using Jerry's
SA technique).

> or spelling. It is about his surety that he has the
> only valid viewpoint and all others are wrong.

Kurtis, I say this gentle respect (tone can be misinterpreted
with this form of communication) - read again what you said
above.  You are doing what you accuse Jerry of, the surety
that you have the only valid viewpoint and all others (who
support Jerry) are wrong. (i.e. they're not rational).

> It is about his atrocious manners. It is about his
> presumption to know enough about an individual to
> judge them an abuser of animals from a single usenet
> message.

I can't argue with you.  But this doesn't have the
same emotional charge for me as it does for you.

> > Please know he has supporters, some of whom doctorate
> > level professionals, and this is for a reason.
> I know plenty of "smart" people who believe in astrology
> and homeopathy. Just because someone is knowledgeable about
> one topic does not preclude them being idiots in other areas.

Kurtis, please listen to yourself; your judgement about
people who believe in astrology and homeopathy (idiots?),
you are so unwielding and harsh ("the surety that you have
the only valid viewpoint and all others are wrong.")

> > Personally, I like Jerry.  He's a colorful character,
> > to say the least,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> style of dress, or speaking style doesn't mean I should
> treat them as an authority on an arbitrary subject.

No need to treat or think of him as an authority!

(Ooops! <{); ~ ) > )

> I've read way too many posts by PW and visited his web site.
> While there are nuggets of useful information in what he says
> I can get the same advice from other sources

(CITES PLEASE??? <{); ~ ) > )

>  without the abuse.

(Seems kurtis means EMBARRASSMENT <{); ~ ) > )

Now Kurtis, you know the same advice is not available
elsewhere.  You're speaking an untruth to give weight
to your arguement.

I'm going to receive all kind of flack for this statement -
there's something about Jerry that has completely pushed your
buttons, and it has nothing to do with Jerry.

(Hint: look to one or both of your parents for the
source of this anger, that's who you're angry at)
I KNOW I'm going to regret having said that, but
this is kind of mood I'm in right now.

Anyway, you seem like a nice guy.  Best regards,
Robin

From: Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:50:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Paging Puppy Wizard

In article <1118672970.419103.259...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

bringmewa...@gmail.com wrote:
> you must have missed his posts where he shows he's
> psycho and not worth 10 seconds worth of time

I disagree.  If you can look past the way he communicates,
his information is worth exploring, and his message is about
absolute love, trust, respect and 'do no harm'.

If he could only communicate that way to the humans
who provoke him, which are many :),   he would be able
to get thru to many more people without being written
off as a nut.

Please know he has supporters, some of whom doctorate
level professionals, and this is for a reason.  Personally,
I like Jerry.  He's a colorful character, to say the least,
and I enjoy learning from him.  And, if you meet him halfway,
he'll give back to you tenfold.

Regards,
Robin

                      =============

Lucy wrote:
> > It's the same puppy that is now my perfect dog [...]

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

> In other words, your puppy grew up.

Within a few minutes?

Outstanding growing up process this must have been, to occur
after repeating just a few times the dreaded praise for bad
behavior!

Lucy

              -----------------

"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is
no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine.

                You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

       ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

               ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

        Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
            We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
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tani - 17 Jan 2008 05:20 GMT
Try Costco - when I priced it it was about $180/mo - of course this depends
on the dose prescribed.  Good luck!

>My 4 yo std poodle had seizures from metritus (maybe even a stroke)
>after a c-section last summer.  She's on phenobarb and KBr now, since
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Thanks
>Jerry
 
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