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the ces is a dog abusin Nazi, Jenkins. He's a coward.

You see him often gettin bit and chokin dogs. Dogs
ONLY bite when they're HURT or AFRAID, Jenkins.

You got a giant breed dog, Jenkins. You won't be able
to ABUSE your dog like HOWE the ces abuses the little
dogs he handles on his videos. Your dog will do the
same to you, and then you'll MURDER IT JUST LIKE HOWE
the ces would if a Mastiff threw him to the grHOWEND
and grHOWELED into his throat and bit him on the ear.

You mean by intimidating them, Jenkins? Of curse
that does take special skills <{}: ~ ( >

HOWEDY Judith,

Judith Althouse wrote:

the ces is a dog abusin punk thug coward, a Nazi / Fascist.

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, Judith.

He's a dog abuser, a punk and a coward.

Well then, you're too stupid to live so long.

Your own dogs' behavior problems are reflected in
your mentor's insidiHOWES methods:

Shove 'm both up your arse an walk on your elbows.

That's curiHOWES, comin from a Nazi.

Here's a little of your own posted case history and
a couple of REVIEWS of the ces in action:

Judith Althouse wrote:

The QUESTION was "alpha dogs".

The PROBLEM is FEAR AGGRESSION in a ALPHA BITCH HOWEsHOWEld <{): ~ ) >

The average lifespan of abused dogs here is 9-10 years old.

NO PROBLEMO.

Surgical sexual mutilation CAUSES insecurity and aggression.

INDEED.

Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK. "Luck is for SUCKERS," The Puppy
Wizard's DADDY <{}; ~ )  >

That's IDIOCY. HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks
of age. It's a dog's most imperative terrortorial imperative
after SURVIVAL. There's ONLY TWO *(2) reasons HOWE COME a
dog would have HOWEsbreakin problems. AnyWON who got a dog
with HOWEsbreakin problems got EITHER a SICK DOG OR a UNHAPPY
DOG <{): ~ (  >

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

That's IRRELEVENT.

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

Dogs ONLY attack when they're AFRAID. ALL AGGRESSION
IS FEAR. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

LIKE THIS:

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

Seems with all your "KNOWLEDGE" learned from the ces,
you shouldn't have this problem. Your dogs are not
"calm and assertive" they're AFRAID, on accHOWENT of
you're a DOG ABSUER, not a calm assertive leader, but
a NAZI, like the ces. OtherWIZE, your dogs would be
FRIENDLY and SAFE and SECURE.

HOWEver, THEY AIN'T.

Well then, what's THAT say to your "CALM ASSERTIVE" energy?

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

Well then, perhaps you should practice the ces's "SECRET S-HOWEND",
eh Judith? You know, the WON the ces makes when he got to assert
his calm assertive energy? You know, when he grabs the victim by
his throat an tells IT to be CALM and ASSERTIVE and IT WON'T GET
CHOKED someMOORE <{}; ~ ) >

What happened to your "CALM ASSERTIVE ENERGY", Judith?

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

You mean you couldn't jerk and choke IT and run IT arHOWEND
the city for an HOWER twice a day as INSTRUCTED by the ces?

You mean, he was ALPHA? The so called "ALPHA" is ALWAYS
the MOST FEARFUL, like the alpha trainer, Judith. THAT'S
HOWE COME the ces is a COWARD, Judith. ONLY A COWARD would
do what he does to dogs and try to get HOWET callin NAZISM,
dog trainin.

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

That's sheer idiocy.

You mean he's HOWETA CON-TROLL, Judith? PERHAPS it's your
THEORY that's caused your dog behavior problems? PERHAPS
if you worked within ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC BEHAVIOR SCIENCE
you wouldn't be GUSSIN HOWE COME your dog is AFRAID enough
to attack his HOWEsmate UNDER YOUR CON-TROLL, Judith?

Oh, THAT'S on accHOWENT of your dog is AFRAID, Judith.

HERE'S HOWE COME YOUR DOG IS AFRAID, Judith:

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

RIGHT. It's SURVIVAL INSTINCT. You've frightened your dog to death.

Naaaah? DO TELL???

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

INDEED? Whatever happened to your "CALM ASSERTIVE ENERGY", Judith?

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR, Judith. The SAME FEAR which fuels
you and your Nazi punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incurable mental case pals who jerk choke shock
bribe crate intimidate surgically sexually mutilate and
murder innocent defenseless dumb critters <{): ~ ( >

THAT'S HOWE COME DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, Judith.

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

You mean when she was most afraid.

That's curiHOWES. Males in nature ALWAYS defer to the female,
it's SURVIVAL INSTINCT at it's beast, dog lovers <{): ~ ) >

Here ya go, Judith:

Subject: The Dog Whisperer

Thumbs up or Thumbs down???  I love him.  He is my idol,
my hero, my guru.  i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?

I say Thumbs UP!!!!!

Be Free,
Judy

All depends. Do you want to continue to be an abuser?

Yeah. Rescued.

You mean, like HOWE he HAS BEEN, despite your "CALM ASSERTIVE" energy?

Yeah. It'd be NORMAL for a incompetent dog abusin coward.

Naaah?

Yeah? Then HOWE COME you "OVERLOOKED" your ALPHALPHA THEORY PROBLEM?

Let's get sumpthin straight, dog abuser. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT
POST HERE abHOWETS. LIARS DOG ABSUERS COWARDS and PATHETIC
LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES post here when they want PERMISSION
to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER their own innocent defenseless
dumb critters, Judith.

HOWE COME DO YOU WANT TO HURT YOUR DOGS, Judith?

Oh, so you've already got a very long case history
of animal abuse and alphalphal dysfunction thinkin.

But you're lookin for advice to HURT your dog.

No Judith, you need to heelp yourself.

You're a victim of abuse, as are your children and dogs.

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Lisa Radosta -Huntley DVM
Resident, Behavioral Medicine
Matthew J. Ryan Veterinary Hospital of the
University of Pennsylvania

I am sorry to report that Cesar Millan is going to be featured
on an upcoming episode of Oprah
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...-262036c.html).

Pretty much everything that EVER appears on Oprah becomes HUGE,
so I am very disheartened to say the least. Best case scenario
is that this appearance puts him on the radar of the positive
dog training, animal welfare, and/or animal rights communities
resulting in a critical mass of people expressing their opposition
to his methods.

Unfortunately, in the U.S., even bad press winds up being
good press somehow, so it will be interesting to see how
this plays out.

Lisa Radosta -Huntley DVM
Resident, Behavioral Medicine
Matthew J. Ryan Veterinary Hospital of the
University of Pennsylvania Oprah link -

http://www.oprah.com/email/tows/tows...uestid=3240019

Please do whatever you can...

Pat Miller

Hi,

This message was originally sent to me by Kathy Kruger. I am
forwarding it because if we don't act now, Cesar Millan and
his methods will be household names by Monday afternoon at 5 pm.

Anyone who is interested, please pass this on to your own list
serves and act quickly. I have already emailed and the letter
that we sent to National Geographic is being overnight Fed Ex'd.

Lisa

                     __________________

                        Cesar's Way:

         The Natural, Everyday Guide to Understanding
               & Correcting Common Dog Problems

By Cesar Millan, with Melissa Jo Peltier
Harmony Books, 320 pp., 2006; $24.95

Reviewed by Pat Miller for The Bark

Cesar Millan Book

Almost every dog-training book has something to offer the
discerning reader, and Cesar's Way is no exception. The
book's strength is as an autobiography of National Geographic's
TV dog-trainer star, Cesar Millan. If you're curious about
how Millan got where he is today, this book will tell you.

If you're looking for significant help training your dog,
however, look elsewhere.

Many in the behavioral science community view the tenets-
and consequences- of Cesar's "way" with trepidation.

In an interview published in the New York Times in February
of this year, Dr. Nicolas Dodman, director of the Animal
Behavior Clinic at Tufts University 's Cummings School of
Veterinary Medicine, observed, "My College thinks it is a
travesty.

We've written to National Geographic Channel and told them
they have put dog training back 20 years."

Millan provides little in terms of concrete training information,
offering instead broad generalizations about projecting "calm-
assertive energy"-a Millan catch phrase-and instilling "calm,
submissive energy" in your dog.

For example, in Chapter 8, he offers "Simple Tips for Living
Happily with Your Dog." His "Rules of the House" include:

   "Wake up on your terms, not his... condition him to get
quietly off the bed if he wakes before you do."

   "Don't allow possessiveness over toys and food!"

   "Don't allow out-of-control barking."

Good advice, perhaps, but, nowhere in the book does he
explain how to accomplish these things, other than by
using calm-assertive energy.

Millan is nothing if not confident. He admits to his "
politically incorrect" reliance on old-fashioned dominance
theory, stating, "To dogs, there are only two positions in
a relationship: leader and follower.

Dominant and submissive.

It's either black or white."

He even has the hubris to bemoan the unwillingness of
authorities to allow him to rehabilitate Hera, one of
the two notorious Presa Canario dogs who killed Diane
Whipple in the hallway of her San Francisco apartment
building.

In Millan's world, every behavior problem is addressed in
terms of dominance and submission. He even uses the alpha
roll as part of his "dominance ritual"; this technique-
forcibly rolling a dog on his side or back and holding him
there-is considered by many to be a dangerous practice based
on faulty interpretation of wolf behavior.

It long ago fell into disfavor with trainers whose methods
are based on the science of behavior and learning.

Where Millan talks about "energy," science-based trainers
talk about behavior, and generally agree that status in
social groups is fluid and contextual, not black or white.

Truly effective and long-term success in behavior modification
requires a far more studied and complex approach than simply
asserting dominance.

Interpretation of dog body language diverges just as widely.

Millan refers in his book to Kane, a Great Dane who appeared on
his TV show who was afraid of slick linoleum floors. Millan claims
that with less than 30 minutes of his calm, assertive influence,
Kane was striding confidently down the slick hallway.

Every trainer I know who has watched that segment notes the
dog's post-Millan, obvious and ongoing stress signals: head
and tail lowered, hugging the wall, panting.

Millan touts the benefits of exercise in modifying dog behavior,
a concept I heartily endorse. However, his book starts with a
description of the four-hour exercise session he engages in with
his pack of dogs every morning in the Santa Monica Mountains of
Southern California, followed by afternoons spent rollerblading
with those same dogs, 10 at a time, on the streets around his
training center.

One of the tenets of a successful training program is that it
gives the dog owner tools he or she can apply. How many dog
owners can spend six hours a day exercising their dogs?

How many can project "calm-assertive energy"? The danger of
Cesar's Way is that it assures owners that quick fixes and
easy answers lie in the hands of a smiling man with the elusive
calm-assertive energy.

In fact, answers are better found in the beautiful complexity
of life, where solutions are often not quick and easy, but are
solidly built on a sturdy foundation and an understanding of
how behavior really works.

Recommended Reading from 4Paws University

A Tough-Love Dog Whisperer Spurs Some Yelps

Producer Sues TV's Dog Whisperer

                        Cesar's Way:

       The Natural, Everyday Guide to Understanding
            and Correcting Common Dog Problems

Amazon.com

"Whisper" softly and carry a big stick?!,

May 8, 2006

Reviewer:    Sympawtico Dog Training, LLC -

I recently compiled a list of suggested reading materials
for my dog training clients. Cesar's Way is not on it.

His methods are based on out-dated and scientifically unfounded
theories that too often place the trainer at odds with their dog,
compromising the safety of both - not to mention eroding the dog-
human bond.

With all of the other good books on positive reinforcement dog
training on the market, the serious student will do far better
to spend their money elsewhere. Don't settle for "whispering";
look to behaviorists and trainers who loudly and clearly offer
sound advice based on good understanding of learning theory
and behavior science: Karen Pryor, Patricia McConnell, Jean
Donaldson, Pat Miller.

Their methods work, they foster communication and cooperation
between the species - and they won't harm you or your dog.

                  ===============

Nothing new or useful,
May 7, 2006
Reviewer:    joyousdog

Milan's methods may seem new and revolutionary to anyone
who has no experience in the world of dogs, but they are
not. In fact, most have long-since been deserted by dog
trainers who understand how learning really happens.

It is as if someone had achieved great popularity pushing
a fabulous new invention called the typewriter, embracing
the long-dead theory that "cold" mothers cause autism in
their children, or advocating smacking kindergarten kids
over the knuckles with a ruler as a magical way to teach
them the alphabet.

Nothing about it seems so horrible, to someone who is innocent
of the history of the subject at hand, and it is neatly packaged
to seem like a method. But a little knowledge easily shows the
flaws in it.

His calm, controlled demeanor is simply common sense to anyone
who works with animals, or, for that matter, anyone who teaches
anything. You could probably get that advice from a local trainer
in your town, or even an excellent parent or elementary school
teacher.

And, many trainers agree that exercise is good for dogs -
- that's hardly revolutionary. However, it is not a magical
cure-all for difficult dogs.

The rest of what he advocates, although it may seem to have
a philosophy and some organization, is just a mish-mash of
techniques with little logic behind them.

He has his set routines, and often does not notice that things
like "flooding" -- forcing a dog into a situation that it fears -
- is shutting it down with stress, not calming it down and easing
its fear.

The dog-human relationship need not include dominance rituals -
- dogs know we are not dogs. The "be alpha" stuff came from a
small bit of research on wolves, decades ago, that has long
since been supplanted, and has little bearing on pet dogs.

Life has made us the leaders -- we have control of the doors,
the food, the car, the toys, and everything else a dog wants -
- it is quite easy to change dogs' behavior, as long as we use
those things.

Our larger brains and some patience are the best tools to
train a dog. Actions like controlling the environment to
keep a dog out of trouble, figuring out what it finds
rewarding, and reinforcing behaviors you do want, are far
more effective, pleasant, and likely to build a good
relationship than Milan's techniques.

Check out the works of Karen Pryor, Pat Miller or Melissa
Alexander for better ideas about teaching, and Suzanne
Clothier, Ray and Lorna Coppinger, Jean Donaldson, or
Patricia McConnell for better insight into dogs. For
free advice, try the Clickersolutions.com site.

Dogs can learn self-control, voluntary compliance with our
wishes -- they need not be dominated, just taught. I want
my dogs actions to say "I'll do that!" not "I give up."

             ===================

A sad day in dog land...,
May 6, 2006

Reviewer:    Barbara Davis "BADDogsInc" (Corona, CA)

If you want to take a ride to the 70s in a time machine, this
is the vehicle for you. Do your dog a favor, though, and leave
him right where he is, since Millan's 'philosophy' of dog/human
relationship management really won't be doing him much good.

If you're a big fan of the old school's outmoded alpha rolls,
or truly believe your dog is trying to dominate you while he's
cruising the counter looking for cookies, then you'll probably
enjoy this book a great deal.

If you do choose to buy this, you'll get a lot of the author's
biography and his own personal 'science' (that bears little or
no resemblance to any accepted science in the realms of learning
theory, dog training or behavior).

What you WON'T get is much information on dog training, or much
useful advice on how to fix any kind of dog behavior or dog/human
relationship problems.

Complex issues like separation anxiety rate a couple of paragraphs,
heavily vested in making sure the dog is exercised to exhaustion at
all times.

While I'm sure a dog that's physically depleted all the time is
much easier to handle, I'm not sure how many of us actually have
the ability to incorporate 6 hours of daily strenuous dog exercise
into our already crowded lives.

And besides, what role does an exhausted, 4-legged
zombie fill in your family circle?

The human/dog bond has evolved for thousands of years as a
richly textured relationship deserving of a great deal more
consideration than Millan's 'fast-food' analysis would suggest.

Your money would be better spent elsewhere...

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Customer Reviews

Depends on what you want
July 7, 2006

Reviewer:    Dog Owner (Lake Mary, FL USA)

If you want to see Mr. Milan demonstrate his personal rapport
with animals, this DVD will fill the bill. However, if you are
seeking advice and instruction on how to overcome aggression
in your pet, this DVD will not be of much help.

The DVD is really nothing but an infommercial praising Mr.
Milan's talents. I seriously doubt that the dogs he works
with in the DVD maintain their non-aggressive behavior after
he leaves.

The strategies he uses, such as having the aggressive dog
walk beside his non-aggressive pack dog, are not practical
for the average dog owner.

If someone were going to hire Mr. Milan as a personal dog
trainer, this item would certainly serve as a recommendation,
but it is woefully lacking as step-by-step instruction on how
to overcome aggression in a dog.

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