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HOWEDY People,

HOWEDY DogIT,

                                      Research_Laboratory

Here's a other EXXXAMPLE of HOWEyou may prefer
*(in fact, it's highly recommended) to apologize to The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?

Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.

I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

                     --------------------

                Punishment ALWAYS Deranges Behavior.
        "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
                                 EXCEPT
                    To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into ITS face for
five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer

of the Department of ANAL-ytic Behavior at UofWI, pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

    --Marshall

      Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
       Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
                    http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
       "Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

                   ----------------------------------------

Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)
26 From:  Marshall Dermer -
Date:  Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email:   der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)

In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@posting.google.com>
mattburns...@yahoo.com (Matthew Burnside) writes:

Dear Matt:

Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but Jerry has failed
to profit from it.

My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.

--Marshall

PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
   posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
   is about Jerry.

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.

        *(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED  CASE}
         HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
         INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
         DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)

    Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
    Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
Wisconsin--Milwaukee/
                       Milwaukee, WI 53201

             der...@uwm.edu   http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

  "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
              myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_

              YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                             BUSINESS.

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps

In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu>

"Oops!  I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.

At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

rom: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 1999/12/21
Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer

In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"

<j...@cfl.rr.com> writes:

First, I punish behavior, not dogs.

Second, I rarely issue corrections.

Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.

I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
such dog behavior offensive.  Eating dog poop, for me, is
another story. And the rate of that behavior has also
diminished with time. :-)

--Marshall

       ------------------------------------------

Coprophagia is CAUSED by your HOWEsbreakin methods.

You can EXXXTINGUISH coprophagia NEARLY INSTANTLY.

LIKE THIS:

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog eats poo!
Date: 2000-12-05 00:40:48 PST

I used sound distraction to stop my 2 dogs eating cow poo
during walkies. I posted here a while ago explaining how I
managed to control them from eating it but there were a lot
of sceptics.  If your interested I'll be glad to tell you
what worked for me, just let me know and I'll post a thread
on this NG.

Paul
             --------

From:           Paul B
Date:           Sat, Oct 21 2000 2:18 am
Email:          "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>

The sound distraction and praise method he uses is VERY effective,
I use those techniques on my dogs and the results are great.  From
teaching a dog to recall to preventing unwanted behaviours (sh.t
eating, eating the cats food, growling when taking a bone from a
dog, jumping up, even escaping from the property, any behaviour).

To say sound distraction and praise methods don't work is pure
ignorance.

I can understand you not liking Jerry and being pissed off with
the posts he submits but please keep things in context and don't
slam a technique just because you can't stand the person suggesting
using it.

Paul.

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AND LIKE THIS:

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.

You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

            ===================

From:           Paul
Date:           Wed, Dec 6 2000 12:00 am
Email:          "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>

I'm not exactly sure why Jerry is saying to ignore me, it's his
advice that I found was the most successful.  During walks in a
particular park the dogs would come across fresh cow pats and
munch away happily.

To stop this I'd set them up, I'd find a nice fresh cow turd and
stand next to it, when the dogs came over and saw it they would
start to munch, at the onset of this I'd chuck a throw chain near
the dog to distract it and praise straight away, the reason for
the praise is the dog stops eating as soon as it hears the distraction
so I'm praising that behaviour, the not eating.

I'd set them up again and repeat, but make the sound come from
a  different direction, maybe the first time chuck the chain to
the right of the dog, the next time to the left, then behind etc,
it's the randomness that is effective and always sincerely praise
immediately.

Now when I walk through the park they leave the turds alone,
they aren't interested in them anymore due to the distraction
training.  Don't let the dog know that you made the sound, the
sound just "occurs" this is important as it removes "you" out
of the problem.

Paul

             -=--=-=-=-=--

AND LIKE THIS:

Subject:        to Jerry Howe
From:           MArtog
Date:           Wed, Jan 17 2001 12:51 pm
Email:          MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>

Just wanted to say thanks. The method you told me
to stop my dog from eating my other Labs sh-t in
the backyard has worked well. She has also improved
greatly when off leash out in the woods.

She still sniffs (ofcourse), but I rarely need to stop
her from anything else. I've always been diligent about
watching her, and cleaning up the yard, but ya just
can't be there every second. And she is quick!

So, thanks again for the advice.

I feel more confident now when I turn my back.

And to all you folks going yea, sure, right.

THIS IS NOT A TROLL POST.

HE gave me advice. It worked. Plain and simple.

Nothing more, nothing less.

So Jerry, allthough I don't lurk here, I'm sure
you're still putting up with DogButt and his ilk.

So good keep up the good work!

Off course DogButt will read this, even thoe it doesn't
have his name on it. Cause he thinks he owns the group.

So to you DogButt.........Well,,,,never mind.

You're already a loser. I don't need to tell you that.

Please feel free to correct my spelling/grammer, etc.
Yes, goodbye, good riddance, blah blah blah.

Later.....
MArtog

From:           MArtog
Date:           Thurs, Jan 18 2001 7:51 am
Email:          MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>

In article <3A65FE5F.70D8D...@Rosenblatt.com>,

Jos...@Rosenblatt.com wrote:

Last reply/post from me just to explain to Joshua.
Then I'm outta here(yippee).

No I was not trying to TROLL. I wanted to post a
thank you to Jerry. That's it. Never said I didn't
want anyone else to read it. I did say that I knew
DogButt would read it even thoe it wasn't for him.
He thinks everything in here is his business.

So he had to post some childish response because he
can't help it. He is sooo predictable. He will read
this too and again post a childish response. If he
doesn't, it will show a strength of will that I don't
believe he has.

Not trying to be a rat or anything else. I clearly said
what I wanted to say about Jerry's help with my dog problem.

It is sad that this group is still so antagonistic all the time.

There is a lot of knowledge here, but it is rarely
disseminated in a kindly manner. Most newbies get
ran off in fairly short order, and go over to r.p.d.breeds
where people are much freindlier. Seems like most
posters in here have been around each other too long.

Some sort of internet cabin fever or something (IMHO).

Anyway, I won't be reading your's or DogButt's reply. So feel
free to go at each other's throats as usual,flame me and my
post, whatever.

Again, thanks Jerry and all of you have a nice day......

well except you DogButt!

Maybe Jerry can help you stop eating sh-t!

BYE!

        ------------

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 1999/07/14
Subject: Re: Puppy adolescence

In article <378CB7A8.757C6...@earthlink.net>
jillbr...@earthlink.net
writes:

My dog almost always comes when called. I would assume
that this is because coming is often consequated with
some form of reinforcement like food, petting, the
opportunity to play a game, etc.

But there are some times when he does not come.

These are infrequent. What do I do? I say, "bad dog"
and the moment he starts coming I say "good dog."

Why is "bad dog" effective?

When my dog was a puppy and he did not obey a command,
that was in his repertoire, I would say "bad dog" and
pick him up by the back of his neck and deliver a brief,
"harsh," lecture.

I would assume that in the process, I established "bad
dog" as a powerful conditioned punisher. I also did the
"bad dog" harsh lecture routine, when he would eat his
poop which he seemed to do quite often.

My dog, a Havanese, is quite a "softy" so I quickly
discovered that not much of a "lecture" was needed
to establish "bad dog" as a conditioned punisher.

I should also note that I said "bad dog" in various
ways, including near whispers. The net result is that
"bad dog" functions as a conditioned punisher even
when whispered.

So, if my dog just "sits there" when I say "Max come"
and then I whisper "bad dog," the vocalization in
principle punishes the ongoing behavior and so the dog
is disposed to do something else and that something else
is almost always following the previously issued command.

(You really don't want to issue the same command multiple
times without some consequences for failing to comply, for
then your dog will initially ignore your commands!)

I am NOT a dog trainer. I am a behavioral psychologist
(Associate Professor) who has loved dogs all my life.

I write this because it is likely that Jerry Howe, who
apparently opposes all forms of punishment, will post
a follow-up to this post.

His follow-up will likely not directly answer your
question but instead refer you to his poorly written
training manual or his magic black box that putatively
cures nearly every canine problem.

His follow up, unfortunately is also likely to personally
attack me. You are free, of course, to form your own
opinions and follow Jerry's advice.

I want you to know that although I have used punishment,
infrequentely and in limited ways, my dog is strongly
bonded to me. He follows me everywhere, he sleeps with
me, he cuddles at night with me, and he loves to perch
himself on my legs, much like a cat, when I'm reading a
book or talking to folks with my feet outstretched.

I don't see where the limited use of punishment has
harmed him in any general way. Perhaps, the limited
punishment I have used together with all the postive
reinforcement I have provided for "coming" and "going
down" in the context of drills, in all sorts of settings,
and under all sorts of circumstances, will someday save
his precious life.

I hope this post is helpful (also see below). Diane
Blackman, Avrama Gingold, Paulette Nolan, Ludwig Smith,
Lynne K. and others regularly post great advice here.

Individually we sometimes make mistakes, but collectively
I think we offer a variety of viable approaches limited
mainly by our inability to be with you and your pooch at
your home.

Best wishes,

Marshall

                            BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

                             That's INSANE. Ain't it.

You can install the come command as a conditional
reflex in as little as ten mintues <{}: ~ )  >

LIKE THIS:

ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.

             ------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website

Hi Buzzsaw

Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!

I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues  ..ugh

I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.

Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.

Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!

the first time I ask.

Best of Luck to you,

Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.

Cheers
Barb

               --------------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!  Saw a dog
today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
of him.  Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting.  I would
love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
the site--please send the address--

The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
-Sunshine come goodboy.

             ---------------------

OR LIKE THIS:

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

                  ===================

AND LIKE THIS:

From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -

Re: Am I expecting to much

Hi Jerry,

When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.

It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.

It really does work.

He was very confused at first, wondering what he
had done to get the praise.

But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.

Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.

Thanks,
N

           ----------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM

Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence
          ------------------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park

dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:

I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.

It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.

It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.

It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.

Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.

I wish all the best to you and your dog.

Lucy

                   -------------------------

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 25 May 2005 12:34:27 -0700

Subject: Re: Should I take the 'Puppy Wizard' seriously?

sighthounds & siberians wrote:

Since I've been the only one who advised to read The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's manual lately, I'll try to reply
to this.

That's a matter of opinion, of course - an opinion that
I do not share and one that you cannot support with proof.

The fact that he doesn't post a link to the pictures of
his dogs doesn't prove that those dogs don't exist, much
less that they never have existed.

I don't think that he said that ALL the illnesses are
caused by mishandling or abuse, but that mishandling/
abuse did cause a great number of apparently unrelated
illnesses.

There's a vast literature supporting that - just look
at the variety of stress-induced disorders.

And yet, I can tell you from first hand experience that
this claim is justified (except the part about "sitting
naked", for which we have to take The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
word) in the case of two dogs who are living half the world
away from him - MY two dogs.

For instance, he told me exactly what to do when Bonnie was
barking with excitement as someone she loved was arriving,
and his advice worked... like magic!

Also, his advice about how to deal with her fear of thunder
was the ONLY thing that could calm her down.

Sometimes the truth does seem unbelievable, but it is still the truth.

And this fact has nothing to do with his ability to train
dogs via the Internet, either.

Perhaps he can afford it. One thing is certain: his training
method is incredibly easy to apply. In certain respects, the
result is practically instant. Like with aggression, for example.

Or with separation anxiety.

Again, this has nothing to do with the fact that his method WORKS.

So he isn't "nice" (but, you know, neither the rest of you
are exactly very friendly to those who disagree with you).
Anyway, does it matter so much how he behaves here, if his
method is successful with our dogs?

After all, we don't need to train HIM, we need to train our
DOGS; and Jerry understands exactly what seems to be going
on in the dogs' minds and he has both the experience and the
willingness to teach others how to use this understanding in
order to modify their own dogs' behavior as they desire.

I fail to see how - for someone who comes here for help with
some very urgent and specific problem - Jerry's online behavior
would be more important than the fact that his method could
really aid their dog.

Lucy (and I never said that one should do as Jerry says, I
only advised that they hould read_the_manual_ nd_decide_for_
themselves_, while the rest of you seem to think that just
READING the manual can somehow cause damage)

                ----------------------

Date Oct 3 2005

Hi Jerry,

It is now 1:130 A.M. and I just finished reading your manual.
Of course I will need to read it many more times in order to
apply the techniques when I get a dog.

I found it even better than I thought it would be
and I had high expectations for it.

It is absolutely new , original, TOTALLY overdue for
the world to learn about to stop all the violence,
fear and abuse.

It is interesting how they have us in a SPELL (source
peoples emotional language legacy) and even with the
best of intentions while doing these awful techniques
that feel violent and inside the heart recoils from
doing them, there is the little voice that say's 'But
it is for the dog's good' and so I have to get tough
and not be a sissy and give in to the horror I am
seeing in the dog and feeling that in my moral compass
this feels wrong, and yet continue to betray myself
and the dog because all the "experts" who say they
love dogs ALL agree that I must do this and what do
I know, they say they love dogs they are "love covered
in fur" as Uncle Matty say's.

He loves dogs to say this so I must be too soft hearted
to recoil from what obviously is my duty toward the dog.

You really broke the spell for me.

It is ground breaking work and I am exited to absorb
it as in the first reading there are so many oh wow
moments that the exercises need to be studied at
another time as the impact of the first reading makes
it so mind altering that the emotional response of
FINALLY SOME SANITY is so strong that the details
of 'the how' to needs for me to be studied later many
times to internalize it so it is done correctly.

Thank you for the amazing manual.

Go jolly,

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