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Dog with Disk Problem in Lower Back

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Miss Livvy - 22 Nov 2006 03:11 GMT
My dog recently started having a lot of trouble using her rear legs She is
staggering and appears to be in pain. I took her to the vet today. After the
exam which included x-rays, the vet thought the most likely diagnosis is a
disk problem between L4 - L5. The vertebrae there are very close together
compared to the others which look normally spaced.

The doctor put her on a course of anti-inflammatories, and she said next
week we can talk about sending her to a specialist for a Cat scan.

If the scan confirms what my vet suspects, what are the possible outcomes?
Is surgery the only course of action at that point, or are there other
potential treatment courses?

Also, what is the prognosis for this type of problem? The dog is 13 years
old, but according to my vet, otherwise in very good health.

TIA
buglady - 22 Nov 2006 12:32 GMT
> My dog recently started having a lot of trouble using her rear legs She is
> staggering and appears to be in pain. I took her to the vet today. After the
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> The doctor put her on a course of anti-inflammatories, and she said next
> week we can talk about sending her to a specialist for a Cat scan.

.....Yeah, X-rays can only show you the bone - vertebrae.  They don't show
you if a disc is actually ruptured, but it can be inferred by the spacing of
the vertebrae.

> If the scan confirms what my vet suspects, what are the possible outcomes?
> Is surgery the only course of action at that point, or are there other
> potential treatment courses?

..........I have a dog that came to me gimpy.  This year she went down one
morning and couldn't walk.  She had spondylosis (bridging between vertebrae)
that apparently broke and she also had vertebrae that were too close
together.  I figured that the bridging occured years ago to try and
stabilize her spine when she had some kind of injury.  She still had feeling
in her back legs and he said that if I was going to do surgery I needed to
do it right away before she lost more neurological function.  I'm not too
keen on back surgery for humans and wasn't sure about the outcome in dogs.
I think they really don't know what's going on in there until they open them
up, so asked for an alternative.  She was put on steroid shots every 8 hours
and stayed overnight at the vet.  (THAT was not a fun night.)  The next
morning she was up and walking.  I got a 10 day course of oral steroids for
her.  She was confined to a small area for a while, recovered and is only
slightly more gimpy than she was before.  She's 10, her tail also never
worked, so I think she probably has numerous joint problems.  I just
couldn't see putting her through it.  And I didn't think my back would live
through picking her up during recovery.  I did some reading on back surgery
in dogs and the outcome sort of depends on the problem.  Some dachsies, for
instance, can take a year to regain even minimal function.   It's also very
pricey.

.....I hope your dog can get up and around on steroids.  I also have narrow
spacing between L4 and L5 and occasionally have back problems.  Things that
help are fish body oils (salmon oil, not cod liver), quercitin with
bromelain and occasional asprin.  At your dog's age I don't know why she
couldn't go on oral steroids the rest of her life occasionally if she starts
to show symptoms again.  And for your pup, no rowdiness with other dogs as
she can't afford to be body slammed, shouldn't jump up and down on couches,
beds, etc.  You'll also live with the knowledge that if she should go down
totally again, the steroid shots are much less likely to have the same
outcome.

buglady
take out the dog before replying
Miss Livvy - 23 Nov 2006 01:01 GMT
Thanks. Today which is the day after I started her on the steroid course,
she is up and around although a little gimpy.
At least her spirits are elevated. I'll post about how she is doing after
about a week. Maybe she will be much better and not need the CT scan.
I read that sometimes they just recover on their own w/o surgery.

> .....I hope your dog can get up and around on steroids.  I also have narrow
> spacing between L4 and L5 and occasionally have back problems.  Things that
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> buglady
> take out the dog before replying
savrose - 25 Nov 2006 03:25 GMT
i think depending on steroid is best  coz doct. will suggest major
operation that needs neurologist .age is much.even then success is not
conformed as case of my aunts dog.she spent 20000$ till now.u can also
try homeopathy or ayurvadic medicines.In india we are a group who
dedicated their lives for treatment and care of homeless sick
animals.we try these methods due to money problems.see our site
www.sickanimals.teach-nology.com
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@HotMail.Com - 25 Nov 2006 23:14 GMT
HOWEDY miss livvy,

> My dog recently started having a lot of trouble using her rear legs She is
> staggering and appears to be in pain. I took her to the vet today. After the
> exam which included x-rays, the vet thought the most likely diagnosis is a
> disk problem between L4 - L5. The vertebrae there are very close together
> compared to the others which look normally spaced.

inverterbral disc DIS-EASE is CAUSED BY stress from mishandling.

> The doctor put her on a course of anti-inflammatories,

That crap can KILL your dog.

> and she said next week we can talk about sending her to a specialist for a Cat scan.

Of curse, they're all in cahoots to DEFRAUD you at the EXXXPENSE of
your critter's life.

> If the scan confirms what my vet suspects, what are the possible outcomes?

You've been followin the ADVICE of veterinary malpracticioners for
years
and you've got your just deserts... what the heel do you EXXXPECT???

> Is surgery the only course of action at that point, or are
> there other potential treatment courses?

You AIN'T gonna get nodoGdameneD ADVICE from the veterinary
malpracticioners and their SHILLS who's own dogs GOT THE SAME
PROBLEMS that you're askin for ADVICE.

> Also, what is the prognosis for this type of problem?

Just follow your vets advice and you'll find HOWET they GOT no CURE
for ANY problems their ADVICE has CAUSED otherWIZE they'd GO
HOWETA BUSINESS <{) : ~ (  >

It's curiHOWES that kats DO NOT GET this CONdition... figger it HOWET.

> The dog is 13 years old, but according to my vet, otherwise in very good health.

The risk of anesthesia is probably than the risk of his DIS-EASE:

>From The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_
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Subject: Possible Disc in Rottie - Where to go?

Date:        Sat, Sep 9 2006 2:56 pm

HOWEDY LKB,

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LKB wrote:
> I am completely distraught.

You're in EXXXCELLENT company, LKB. bugF'nNuts gave you some
good advice as a SHILL for the veterinary malpracticioners
she's employed by <{} : ~ ( >

> My 4 year old Rottweiler started off being whiny when moving
> yesterday, and this morning he couldn't get up.  We wrestled
> him into the car and whisked him to the vet.  The vet has just
> called me and says she thinks he may have a herniated disc in
> his neck.

So called Invertebral Disc DIS-EASE is CAUSED by STRESS from
locking dogs in boxes and traditional OBEDIENCE TRAINING and
toxic ignorameHOWES veterinary malpractices and nutritionally
deficient commercial garbage diets they recommend.

Dr. Mark Neff of UC Davis: "The basis of IVDD remains unclear;
it is possiable that all Dachshunds are equally susceptible to
IVDD, and that only some animals progress to the full blown
disease state."

http://www.dpca-breedered.com/invertebraldiskdisease.html

How is intervertebral disk disease inherited? UNKNOWN.

Fibrous degeneration of disks (without calcification) occurs
in older dogs of all breeds, but generally only causes problems
in large-breeds.

              ------------

> She has started him on high doses of steroids

While that may relieve the SYMPTOMS it AIN'T gonna HEEL the dog.

> to see how he will respond.

He'll RESPOND as ANY critter does when given P-HOWERFUL
steroids. They GET SICK from the CURE. They THIRST and
PISS constantly. Some even DIE from reactions to it.

> She says he may need a myelogram, but I will have to
> transport him somewhere else for that.

Perhaps you should consider the CAUSE and remedy THAT, first?

> If there is any bright side to this,

Yeah. You MIGHT learn to do otherWIZE for your next dog <{}; ~ ) >

HOWEver, that AIN'T common here abHOWETS despite the CONSISTENT
REPEATED DEAD and DEATHLY ILL DOGS for the same reasons amongst
the dog lovers you're askin for ADVICE <{}: ~ ( >

> I suppose it would be that he still has pain perception -

Yeah. Perhaps you should take him to a CHIROPRACTOR
or a ACCUPUNCTURIST to FIX the PROBLEM instead of
TREATIN the SYMPTOMS?

> if you can call that encouragement.

The ONLY problem with surgical treatment of DIS-EASE
is the CURE sometimes CRIPPLES or KILLS the patient.

> So, how would they term that?

They call it an EDUCATED DECISION, or LUCK <{}: ~ (  >

> Sensory perception with loss of motor function?

Forget the DHOWEbletalk. Have you given her some
COLD PACKS to REDUCE INFLAMATION for the first 24
HOWERS of her DIS-EASE followed by HOT PACKS and
MASSAGE and perhaps a SAFE analgesic *NOT the nsaid's
and steroids which CAN KILL YOUR DOG and maybe some
T.E.N.S. treatments on the traditional Chinese Accupuncture
points?

Have you looked into nutrition and dietary supplements
like high dosages of vitamin C (an anti inflmatory).

There's LOTS of STUFF you can do to HEEL your dog other
than givin IT risky, deathly pharmacuticals and surgery.

> And, in the big picture, just how encouraging is this anyway?

Oh, it's the BREAD AN BUTTER of the veterinary malpractice industry.

> This is an incredible boy,

Yeah. He's PROBABLY had a lotta TRAININ, hunh?

> and probably the smartest dog I have ever known.

Yeah. Like that.

> I am terrified to think what this might mean.

Means you've CRIPPLED your dog like so many of
your newfHOWEND pals have done RIGHT HERE. Look
at robin nuttall with TWO Doberman dogs CRIPPLED
with "wobblers" and white monkey's Dane Saskia
and racetrack silly's dog with the collapsed
trachea and of curse, bugF'nNut's dogs herself.

Even professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer GOT THE SAME PROBLEM
with his little DEATHLY ILL hyperactive dog Maxie The Magnificent
FuriHOWEsly Obsessive Compulsive Disassociative Masturbator.

> He is huge, and it would be terribly difficult for me to
> handle him if he can't ambulate.  And, what about his quality
> of life, anyway?

You mean anyHOWE <{}; ~ )  >

Let's talk abHOWET HOWE he got SICK?

Let's talk abHOWET HOWE he was raised trained vetted and fed.
Let's talk abHOWET his entire heelth case history and FIGGER
IT HOWET HOWE COME HE'S SICK like so many of the dog lover's
dogs you're askin for ADVICE, LBK <{): ~ ) >

> I don't know anything about his prognosis,

Neither does your vet.

> and the vet was not forthcoming.

On accHOWNT of he CAN'T TELL YOU NUTHIN.

> I live near Savannah, GA, and will need to
> find him a good specialist.

If your vet had CONfidence he'd of RECOMMENDED a SPECIALIST.

> Can anyone recommend where I should go?

Look into some heelth products that'll promote wellness <{}; ~ ) >

Like THIS:
Dr. Michael Halliday - ArthrotolT -
http://www.vetcures.com/

Vital-Earth Minerals, LLC
Toll Free:
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And feed a fresh WHOWELSOME diet <{}; ~ ) >

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Oral administration of bovine lactoferrin for treatment of
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Sato R ; Inanami O ; Tanaka Y ; Takase M ; Naito Y
OBJECTIVE: To study the effects of oral administration
of bovine lactoferrin (LF) on intractable stomatitis
in feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV)-positive and
FIV-negative cats, and phagocytosis of neutrophils
in healthy and ill cats, simultaneously. ANIMALS: 7
ill cats with diagnosis of intractable stomatitis (4
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LF (40 mg/kg ot body weight) was applied topically to the oral
mucosa of cats with intractable stomatitis daily for 14 days
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This effect was observed in healthy and ill (FIV positive
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Oral administration of LF improved intractable stomatitis
and concurrently enhanced the host defense system. Topical
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Here's an IDENTICALLY SIMILAR stress induced ortho auto-immune
DIS-EASE:

HOWEDY carolinag,

<CarolinaG@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1164230505.586998.119870@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> I just got back from the doggy surgeon.

Well GOOD FOR YOU, carolinag, you deserve it <{): ~ )  >

ACL DIS-EASE is the #1 surgical mutilation in the USA after
unnecessary inapupriate surgical sexual mutilations (a major
contributary component to ALL DIS-EASE). The ACL tear / rupture
is an EMOTIONAL STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE CAUSED BY
your veterinary malpractice and "traditional" training and
handling as recommended by your veterinary malpracticioner.

> Zoe, my 8 year old, 35 pound beagle mix needs to have
> surgery to both knees. She appeareds to have torn her
> ACL in her right knee and has arthritis in both knees.

Dogs are natural born athletes. THEY DO NOT "get torn acl's"
from EXXXORCISE, it's a STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE.

> I thought the problem was just in the right leg because
> that is the one she favors. Since the arthritis is worse
> in her left knee he suspects an ACL tear in that knee as
> well.

Yeah. Ever WONder HOWE COME dogs that "get torn acl's" GET
THEM IN BOTH KNEES? It AIN'T on accHOWENTA she got WEAK KNEES
nor is it on accHOWENTA EXXXORCISE, it's CAUSED BY STRESS.

You've got a seven year POSTED CASE HISTORY of
mishandling and abusing your dogs, carolinag.

Seems animal abuse is just as difficult
as any other ADDICTION, to stop doin.

> Choices he gave me are a TPLO or putting a
> sutcher in both knees to stabilize them.

Could be just REST and EXXTINGUISHING STRESS and
some nutritional supplements will CURE her. Here's
two companies that MAY CURE your dog an SAVE you
THOWESANDS of dollars, may even save your dog's
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Dr. Michael Halliday - ArthrotolT -
http://www.vetcures.com/

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> The vet really made the TPLO sound like the way to go.

It probably is. It's effective. But PROBABLY NOT NECESSARY.
Here's an EXXXPOSITORY article on nutritional supplements:

http://tinyurl.com/y657to

>  But actually cutting the bone and repositioning it seems
> to be extreme as is the price tag of $4,000 per knee.
> The other method is about $2,000 each knee or $3,000 if I
>  have them both done at the same time.

You can BLAME THAT on your OBEDIENCE TRAINING and TOXIC
VETERINARY CARE and GARBAGE COMMERCIAL DOG FOOD.

THEN you can WONder HOWE COME your veterinary malpracticioner
NEVER WARNED YOU abHOWET the ramifications of DOIN WHAT HE
TOLD YOU TO DO TO YOUR ODG, carolinag <{): ~ ( >

>  My girl is usually a couch potato, but she does love to
>  wrestle with her sister, chase the ball and we take her
>  on one or two walks a day so I'd say she's on the low end
>  of moderately active.  She loves going to the dog park, but
>  we haven't been taking her because she's in so much pain
>  afterwards.

She needs total rest, NO swimming, and when she's
able, appriate structured EXXXORCISE <{}: ~ ) >

It's CRIMINAL what you dog lovers do to your dogs.

> What are people recommendations and experience
> with either of these surgeries?

You'll NOTICE the other dog lovers who's dogs "GET
TORN ACL's" are likeWIZE, dog abusing mental cases,
like yourself.

> TIA,
> Caroline

You AIN'T gonna find what you NEED to know on the web
or from your veterinary malpracticioner.Here's all the CASE
HISTORY DATA you need to make up your own mind:

From: lolajo...@webtv.net (lolajo...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: My greyhound becoming bully of dogpark,help?
Date: 2004-01-07 01:15:04 PST

LolaJoker Wrote:
>> From: requestaddyfi...@nospam.com (Sharon too)
>
>> "If that don't work, check out some training books or
>> look up the "Puppy Wizard" for suggestions on controlling
>> this."

> Uh... since this was a response to my response I feel
> the need to clarify my position. In no way would I
> recommend anyone pay attention to Puppy Wizard.
> -Sharon

What is wrong with "The Puppy Wizard"?

I know his posts are a little wacky but his sound
distraction technique has worked very well for me.
After using traditional training with mixed results,
I was able to stop my dog from jumping up, eating
poop, begging from the table and excessive barking
using his methods.

Lolajoker.

            --------------

So, take away your FRAUDULENT HD X-Rays, PRA screening,
OFA and CERF testing, your surgical sexual mutilations and
3/4's of your VACCINATIONS and most of your UNNECESSARY
TOXIC TREATMENTS and YOU'RE HOWETA BUSINESS.

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!!!

You won't even be able to SELL ANTI PSYCHOTIC PHARMACUTICALS
for fear of thunder, separation anXXXIHOWESNESS and car sickness
on accHOWENT of THEY'RE CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN
EVERYTHING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you and your
veterinary malpracticioner husband recommend and SELL.

From:  The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_ Forensic_Sciences_
                                 Research_Laboratory
                                             AND
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                                           <{}: ~ (  >

Subject:      torn ACL

HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too veterinary malpractice office
manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, liar, dog abusing
punk thug coward and active acute chronic long term incurable
mental case and professional veterinary client obsfucationist,

Sharon wrote:
> > AH! My 2 year old pit tore his ACL yesterday. my vet
> > said i should visit an orthopedic specialist for surgery,

Yeah. They're as thick as thieves, eh sharon aka sharon too,
veterinary malpractice office manager and mrs. veterinary
malpracticioner and veterinary malpractice apologist /
obsfucationist <{) ; ~ ) >

> > and i have been researching, and there are some other
> > options. the vet also gave me Rimadyl for anitinflamatory
> > and pain.. but have been reading about the bad side effects
> >  of this drug and am considering taking him off of it.
> > any help or advice??

BWEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

> > has anyone else experienced a dog with a torn ACL before?

Yeah. Many of the dog lovers here abHOWETS got the same problem.

> > please let me know, thank you, Kelly..  and Jake.

Torn ACLs are CAUSED BY STRESS from MISHANDLING.

> Torn ACLs don't heal on their own

Sez YOU. Below you'll find five CASE HISTORIES stating
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of what you sez. You're in
the BUSINESS of misleadin veterinary clients to increase
profits through unnecessary inapupriate dangerHOWES surgical
mutilations and pharmacutical company scam drugs which
comprise 50% of your unethickal profits.

You sound sincere and caring but you AIN'T NUTHIN but a
goddamened liar, fraud, thief, animal abuser and murderer
and professional apologist. THAT'S HOWE COME you manage
your veterinry malpracticioner husband's veterinary malpractice.

> and the longer you wait, the more the dog will start over
> relying on the other leg and put it at risk for joint disease

That's sheer idiocy. HOWE COME we don't see the same
"phenomenon" in three legged dogs, sharon aka sharon
too, veterinary malpractice apologist / obsfucationinst?

YOU'RE A LIAR.

ACL DIS-EASE is the #1 surgical mutilation in the USA after
unnecessary inapupriate surgical sexual mutilations. The ACL
tear / rupture is an EMOTIONAL STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-
EASE CAUSED BY your veterinary malpractice and "traditional"
training and handling as recommended by your veterinary malpractice.

> and possibly another torn ACL.

IN MOST CASES the other leg FAILS for the SAME REASON
the first leg failed. Dogs are NATURAL ATHLETES sharon
too, veterinary malpractice office manager and veterinary
malpractice apologist and mrs. veterinary malpracticioner.

THERE AIN'T NO REASON HOWE COME a dog engaging in normal
activities should become CRIPPLED OTHER THAN IATROGENIC
ASSAULT including garbage commercial diets recommended
by the client's veterinary malpracticioner.

> As for the Rimadyl,

"Also, these Vets receive perks from the drug manufacturer
Pfizer when they buy Rimadyl to sell to animal owners.  Vets
could get points from Pfizer for each Rimadyl purchase they
made; points were redeemable for PalmPilots, Zip Drives, and
other equiptment!"

Date: Mar 14 2000

Since Rimadyl's 1997 launch, the FDA has received reports of
about 1,000 dogs that died or were put to sleep and 7,000 more
that had bad reactions after taking the drug, records and official
estimates indicate.

The FDA says such events are significantly underreported.

                   -----------

From: The Annals Of Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory

Subject:        Rimadyl poisoning--again

From:           Jaimie
Date:           Wed, Apr 1 1998 12:00 am
Email:          c...@earthlink.net (Jaimie)

My 9 year old female Samoyed was put on the poison
Rimadyl for about 2 weeks for arthritic knee. I read
posts to this group discussing the horrors of the drug.

She was in such pain, I decided to give her a few more
dosages. I should have listened to you wise posters.

For three days my dog had weird yellow urine and yesterday
and today wouldn't eat. I took her to the vet and found out
she now has liver damage and will be in the hospital for as
long as it takes to reverse the damage--IF  they are able to.

Cady, our Sammy, was a pretty healthy dog until the Rimadyl.

Now she's on the critical list. The makers of Rimadyl should
be put out of business. They are marketing poison and should
be forced to take it themselves.

Jaimie

                 --------------

From:           LuSwinton
Date:           Wed, Apr 1 1998 12:00 am
Email:          luswin...@aol.com (LuSwinton)

Jamie:  I know what you are going through - I have been there!

His name was George - he was on Rimadyl less than
30 days before his collapse and subsequent death.

Make up your own minds about this drug.  I would
never use it for any of my animals again, ever!

Please let me know how you dog is doing !  I pray he does
not die like my dog (a chocolate lab, named George) did.

I am  praying for the safe recovery of your dog.

Most Sincerely,

Jean Townsend
Johns Island, SC

              ------------

From:           coloredhead
Date:           Sun, Apr 5 1998

There are too many people who have lost pets to Rimadyl,
myself included, for you to defend in ANY way the drug
company who produces it!

I challenge you to have the same feelings about
Rimadyl once you have suffered a loss because of it.

Our dog died an agonizing death, and I wouldn't
wish it on _any_ other dog.

One more condescending reply to this newsgroup from
you and I will puke all over my keyboard!!!!!

            ----------

From:           Bados
Date:           Wed, Apr 8 1998

I wasn't able to save my labrador, Bados, who
died BEFORE Pfizer publicly acknowledged the
serious side effects.

Perhaps I can save someone elses.

Nancy Carr
New Jersey

           -------------

From:           Mishelle Fresener
Date:           Tues, Apr 7 1998 12:00 am
Email:          Mishelle Fresener <mishf...@usscreen.com>

My dog died due to Rimadyl (at least I believe she did)

                 -----------
From:           Pluffmud97 - view profile
Date:           Sat, Apr 4 1998 12:00 am
Email:          pluffmu...@aol.com (Pluffmud97)

I sincerely hope your dog will survive.  This drug
has been on the market for over a year now - the
Pfizer Co. that makes this drug has been allowing the
deaths of hundreds of dogs to occur because they will
not make public the many serious and deadly side effects.

The drug was never tested properly - it was not tested
long enough - the dosage prescribed in the U.S. is higher
than that prescribed in England where Rimadyl has been
used for a much longer time.

There are many people who have owned older dogs and put
them on Rimadyl as a last resort to help ease the pain
of arthritis.  When the poor dog dies, does the owner
question the use of Rimadyl?

Probably not.  They just think their dog died of old age.

Pfizer does not care - they care about the money they make
from the drug!  Vets don't care - they care about keeping
the drug manufacturers happy and looking out for each other.

The drug reps don't care - they tell the vets what the
vets want to hear so the vets will buy the drugs that
they sell at an incredible markup

Only the dogs suffer - if your dog is on Rimadyl you had
better make your vet do blood workups, etc. - or your dog
may join the other poor animals who have suffered liver
problems, severe hemorrhaging, perforate ulcers and god
knows what other effects from this drug.

                  ========

Subject: RIMADYL - LACK OF INFORMATION
FROM PFIZER AND ALL DOGS CAN BE
AFFECTED SEVERELY.

From: Jason J Hamilton (wild...@stargate.net) Subject:
Arthritis Drug "Rimadyl" Kills Dogs! Please read on ...
Date: 2000/03/13

Read the article on the front page of today's Wall Street
Journal. It states that Rimadyl is toxic and creates deadly
liver complications in dogs. Vets new this as early as 1998
as have not properly informed dog owners.

My Golden just died of Liver Cancer and he was on a strong
dose of Rimadyl.

Please warn owners and friends of these risks.  Vets are
supposed to warn owners of the side-effects but they have not!

My former vet (Bradford Hills Vet in Pittsburgh PA)
certtainly did not!  They stated that Rimadyl was like a
prescription aspirin and handed me a bottle for my dog's
first treatment. I would not have treated my dog had I
known otherwise.

Also, these Vets receive perks from the drug manufacturer
Pfizer when they buy Rimadyl to sell to animal owners.  Vets
could get points from Pfizer for each Rimadyl purchase they
made; points were redeemable for PalmPilots, Zip Drives, and
other equiptment!

Please reference today's Wall Street Journal for additional
details, and please, pass this information on to other animal
owners.

Thank you. Jason Hamilton

Post Script: Rimadyl is a frequently prescribed anti-
inflammatory used to treat dogs with arthritis.  Pfizer
studies as far back as 1997 show deaths as a result of
ingesting Rimadyl.  Being that the drug is very profitable
to vets and the drug manufacturer, many vets and Pfizer
have not communicated the drug's deadly risk to the public
as originally requested by the FDA. The FDA had asked Pfizer
to state one of the drugs side -effects as, "death".  Pfizer
chose to withdrawal their commercials rather than state
"death" as a side-effect.

            -----------------

> it works well for chronic problems and short
> term for pre and post op orthopedic surgery.

Rimadly can KILL heelthy dogs NEARLY INSTANTLY.

IT'S PURE GARBAGE:

From:           MWOODROWE
Date:           Thurs, Mar 16 2000 12:00 am
Email:          mwoodr...@aol.com (MWOODROWE)

Unfortuantely when I put my dog on Rimadyl the problems
were not as well known.

It was when the drug was new.  My collie did developed
liver problems after months of use.  I took him off the
drug immediately but had to put him to sleep 2 weeks later.

> Also Deramaxx.

BET YOUR LIFE ON IT.

> However, horror stories abound on the internet.

Yeah. Professional EXXXPERT WITNESSES for SUPERIOR CRIMINAL
COURTS often rely on FORENSIC EVIDENCE gained through CASE
HISTORY DATA from world wide web internet searches <{); ~ ) >

> Consider the source,

INDEEDY. You've got a VERY LONG POSTED CASE HISTORY of
HURTIN INTIMDIATIN and MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT FOR PROFIT.

> but precautions do need to be taken.

INDEEDY. PRECAUTIONS like The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING
you and HIS readers DOIN THEIR OWN RESEARCH:

LAWSUIT OVER VETERINARY DRUG SETTLED FOR
IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Johns Island, South Carolina -
August 18, 2004

Jean Townsend of Johns Island, South Carolina announced
today that a settlement has been reached with Pfizer, Inc.
in what appears to be the first lawsuit of its kind in this
country - a lawsuit over injuries that led to the death of
Ms. Townsend's chocolate lab, George.

Ms. Townsend originally brought a class action lawsuit against
Pfizer in October of 1999, two years after the tragic death of
George. The lawsuit alleged that after initial approval by the
FDA, the drug RimadylR, which was the subject of an unprecedented
multi-million dollar advertising campaign, was marketed without a
complete understanding of the serious side-effects that could
result from the drug.

Ms. Townsend also alleged that neither she nor her vet
were adequately warned of the potential side-effects.

After administering the drug for only 14 days, George developed
severe internal bleeding and ultimately liver failure. George was
euthanized on October 13, 1997. In reaching the settlement, Pfizer
has admitted no wrong- doing.

"It was truly horrible," said Townsend of the experience.

"But the most troubling aspect of the ordeal was when I later
learned that similar side-effects had been reported to Pfizer
and the FDA months before I first gave the drug to my dog.

Yet even after my pet became sick, I continued to give him the
pills because they were supposed to make him feel better. I had
no idea that he was suffering from the side-effects of RimadylR.

It is devastating to live with the realization that I gave my
beloved pet medicine to help him when, in fact, it was killing
him." After reporting George's death to Pfizer, Ms. Townsend
was offered a $249.33 settlement, but the offer came with the
condition that the settlement remain confidential.

Ms. Townsend refused. In the months following George's death,
Ms. Townsend began researching this drug on the internet and
soon discovered dozens of other pet owners who had similar
experiences with RimadylR.

Fueled by the growing number of people whose dogs had become
sick or died after taking the drug, Ms. Townsend, along with
other concerned pet owners, started a campaign to raise awareness
of the potential for serious side- effects with this and other
veterinary medicines.  As part of that campaign, Ms. Townsend
and others met with FDA officials as well as Pfizer veterinarians,
urging them to step-up efforts to more thoroughly inform pet
owners of the potential for serious side-effects with veterinary
medicines. Unsatisfied with the response of the FDA and Pfizer,
Ms. Townsend turned to the legal system and filed a class-action
lawsuit.

In her suit, Ms. Townsend sought reimbursement of the $734.00
in veterinary expenses she had incurred trying to save George,
as well as establishing a class action on behalf of the hundreds
of other dog owners whose pets had become ill or died.

In the meantime, reports of adverse reactions to Rimadyl
continued to rise, and in 1998, RimadylR accounted for
almost 39% of all Adverse Drug Experience Reports received
by the FDA.

The reports were so numerous that in December of 1999, the
FDA took the extraordinary step of issuing a public statement
on the drug.

Within months of Ms. Townsend's suit and the "Update on
RimadylR" issued by the FDA, Pfizer announced significant
changes in packaging, and that it would begin dispensing
a Client Information Sheet to be included with veterinary
prescriptions of RimadylR.

The Client Information Sheet, modeled after similar drug
information sheets included with many human drugs, was
to provide pet owners with easily understandable information
about the potential side-effects and what to do if side-effects
occur.

Ms. Townsend reports that as part of the settlement,Pfizer
made cash offers to over 300 other dog owners across the
country to settle claims for death or injury to the dog,
veterinary expenses, property damage, emotional distress
and punitive damages.

These individual offers averaged over $1000.00 per animal
and did not include a confidentiality provision. Speaking
about the lawsuit and the settlement, Ms. Townsend said,
"I am pleased that through this suit, hundreds of other
pet owners will be reimbursed for veterinary expenses and
the loss of their pets.

Of course, no amount of money would ever replace the loss
of my friend George,and the loss of so many other beloved
companions." But to Ms. Townsend, (who donated her settlement
proceeds to a local veterinarian to perform surgery on a pet
whose owners could not afford the surgery) the issue is far
more than the money paid by Pfizer.

It is the growing public awareness that the medications we
give our pets can have serious side-effects. "We, as pet
owners, have the right to know as much about the good and
bad sides of veterinary medicines as we do the medicines
we give ourselves."

> As long as baseline blood panels are done and the liver
> and kidneys are healthy, there shouldn't be a problem.
> Regular bloodwork if these drugs are given long term will
> be necessary to monitor the liver and kidneys.

THAT'S INSANE.

> Short answer - get that second opinion.

BWEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

> -Sharon

You mean LIKE THIS?:

From:  Ceallach
Date:  Sat, Jan 5 2002 5:42 pm
Email:   "Ceallach" <labp...@spamsucks.yahoo.com>

Hi Patricia:

Hang in there.  Maybe he'll be one of the lucky
ones and it will heal on its own.  One of my
friend's dog had a partial tear and her vet
recommended rest for a month and then a recheck.

At the recheck the dog was given full rein
to be her normal self.  So it does happen.

       --------------

From:  Jim
Date:  Sat, Jan 5 2002 6:50 pm
Email:   "Jim" <ajdc...@attbi.com>

Our lab had a problem with a ligament in one of her
legs. The vet had us put listerne (sp) on it twice
a day. Took about two months but she is fine and
running like normal.  We did not have to keep her
quiet during this time either.

Jim

         --------------

From:  rob
Date:  Sat, Jan 5 2002 11:37 am
Email:   rob <r...@somewhere.uk>

Max tore ligaments in his front paw this summer.
http://www.imdb.demon.co.uk/Max/say_Aaaa.jpg

After two weeks of short walks, the vet unexpectedly
gave him the all-clear when he was supposed to get
the bandage changed. I was told to keep his exercise
to a minimum for another week.

The affected 'toe' still sticks out compared to the other
foot, but other than that he's back to his old self.

Max didn't need surgery. He had an xray that showed he'd
torn ligaments between two toes. The vet said that only
rest and support would be needed. The vet suspected a
broken bone but the xray proved otherwise.

          ----------------

"Rosa" <i.do...@think.so> wrote in message

news:lqdCc.2598$XB6.1505@reader1.news.jippii.net...

Hi

My 2y old 25kg intact male has hurt his knee about
2 months ago.

The menisc in his right knee is broken. The vet
recommended we wait and see, said it can sometimes
get better by itself.

              -------------

From:  Patricia Gnecco
Date:  Sat, Jan 5 2002 11:06 am
Email:   "Patricia Gnecco" <ten.knilhtrae@oilmim>

Just to share with you guys this sad news. Milo got
very excited the day of the snow storm, he ran like
a nut around and around. All of a sudden he went
chasing a cat and of course he didn't catch the cat,
however seems he got his back left knee hurt.

He was limping badly and yesterday we went to see the
vet. She said they have to do x-rays (ligaments??) on
Monday and then from there they would tell us if he
needs surgery. Ay.

And then the recovery is SIX MONTHS!! Milo goes to a
park 2 times a day, sometimes 3. He has changed into
a calm and very easy going puppy since we moved here
and go to this park. He also is in great shape, he
is all muscles, he can run fast and he can play soccer
pretty well.

What am I going to do? It is going to change our lives,
but we both need the exercise. He weighs 95 pounds and
is in excellent health, other than this.

The vet confirmed he doesn't have Mange, thank God.
Right now he is pushing my elbow with his head so I
go and be with him.

Please pray so he doesn't have to go to surgery.
Thanks for any advice on how to distract him inside.
I can always teach chess, but I don't like it very much.

Patricia

                 ===========

janet's kats are DYING from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:

From: Janet B <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:30:03 -0400
Subject: diagnosis frustration

Even when the answers are bad, I like ANSWERS.  Where my little
Carey-kitty is involved, we never seem to have any.  She's been
"sick" for the last 3 years and we've never been able to figure
out just what's going on with her.  I'm trying to not add up the
costs, as they just keep mounting.

Carey is an almost 12 year old tortie with numerous problems over
the 3 years, related to behavior, urinary issues, weight loss, and
early on, paralysis as well.  We've had tests out the wazoo, have
seen standard general practice vets as well as a neurologist, tried
various medications, and we still have no real answers.

I'm hoping those come soon, but the preliminary aren't great choices.

After raising her Elavil level to combat inappropriate urination, she
tore her ACL.  That appears to be healing slowly.  She's been at the
vet numerous times in the last few weeks

From: The Annals Of Animal Behavior Forensic SciencesResearch
Laboratory

Date:  Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:04 am

HOWEDY Steve,

Steve wrote:
> Excerpts from http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114472326147922581.html

Thank you for the very informative, accurate article.

> The number of dog knees undergoing cruciate-ligament repair
> each year is estimated to exceed 1.2 million. The extraordinary
> rate of failure in dog knees is mystifying even to veterinarians.

INDEED? It's CAUSED by traditional veterinary behavioral advice,
Steve. 90% of ALL DIS-EASE are "idiopathic" aka IATROGENIC aka
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES aka The Puppy Wizard's
Syndrome <{); ~ ) >

> Is the prevalence of such canine injuries rising,

We can STOP 90% of ALL DIS-EASE and 100% of ALL temperament
and behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE the veterinary
malpracticioner and university trained behaviorist teaches
us to abuse neglect and overmedicate and malnourish HOWER
critters <{); ~ ) >

Wouldn't our vet just LOVE to hear the GOOD NEWS, Steve?

> or are people less willing to let their pets hobble on three legs?

NO PROBLMO, Steve. ACL surgeries are MOST OFTEN necessary
on BOTH LEGS as after WON leg is "repaired" the OTHER LEG
FAILS for the SAME REASON, as you'll see below...

> Cruciate-ligament repairs are the most common surgical
> procedures for injured or diseased dogs.

Dogs are natural born ATHLETES, Steve. Their legs
DO NOT CRIPPLY from EXXXORCISE, they BREAK DHOWEN
from STRESS and MALNOURISHMENT as a direct result
of lockin dogs in boxes and ignoring their cries
and spraying them in the face with aversives and
jerking choking scruff shaking and shocking to
"train" them <{); ~ ) >

> And inside veterinary medicine, controversy
> is raging over the best treatments.

INDEEDY. Many of the prescription pharmacuticals are DEATHLY
and reap your veterinary malpracticioners MILLIHOWENS in J.Q.
Pubic's hard earned dough "CURING" the SIDE EFFECTS of their
LETHAL UNNECESSARY pharmacuticals <{): ~ )>

But let's keep these dirty little secrets amongst just
you an The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard... at
least till HE drops the doGdameneD hammer on the entire
industry in WON FELL SWOOP in the forthcoming weeks.

> A relatively new technique, called tibial plateau leveling
> osteotomy, or TPLO, involves breaking and resetting the tibia,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> conventional procedure, which like the human equivalent involves
> constructing a replacement ligament.

NO PROBLEMO!

> Many respected academic veterinary experts believe that
> TPLO offers a faster and fuller return of function. But
> published proof of that theory is lacking, prompting some
> to avoid the procedure.

Naaah? DO TELL???

> TPLO now is used for an estimated 50% of cruciate-ligament
> procedures in the US, and by all accounts that percentage
> is growing.

INDEEDY. The EXXXPERTS attribute these "injuries" to
GEMETIC PREDISPOSITION and EXXXCESSIVE EXXXORCISE to
CON-TROLL HYPERACTIVITY *(another "GENETIC" predisposition),
but WE KNOW THAT AIN'T TRUE on accHOWENT of we know WHO
is working on the Canine Genome Project.

STRESS is the precipitator as EVIDENCED by the EXXXPERTS
OWN WORK who are BLAMING THEIR own DIS-EASED DOGS
DIS-EASES on GENETICS and PROVIN IT through their own
Canine Genome Project <{); ~ ) >

Oh lookey? Here's WON NHOWE:

   "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
   A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
   Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
   Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
   He Might Eat My Cat," professora melanie chang,
   Canine Genome Project.

> Such treatments have helped fuel a doubling of the number
> of veterinary surgeons in the US in the last decade to 1,219
> from 660.

Naaah? Imagine HOWE THRILLED they'll be when The Freakin
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches the WHOWEL WILD WORLD
that their dog's DIS-EASES are CAUSED by their veterinary
behaviorist's training handling and feeding instructions?

> It is also the largest factor in a near doubling of the
> average annual cost of veterinary surgery visits - to
> $574 in 2004 from $289 in 2000.

Naaah? Imagine HOWE THRILLED they'll be when The Freakin
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches folks all over the
WHOWEL WILD WORLD that they don't need to lock their dogs
in boxes and ignore their cries and EXXXORCISE them for
five miles a day to EXXXPIATE their HYPERACTIVE BEHAIVORS
and consequently WON'T HAVE DEATHLY ILL DOGS nodoGdamenDmore?

> A November article in the Journal of the American Veterinary
> Medical Association estimated that Americans spent $1.32 billion
> to fix dog knees in 2003. Without surgery, only 20% of dogs will
> regain normal function.

Might THAT be on accHOWENT of 80% of the
veterinarians SCREW UP the SURGERY?

> Unlike human knees, dog knees don't lock - their back
> legs are always bent. That means the ligaments of the
> joint are tense whenever the animal is standing.

Let's try this on yourself, Steve. Let's for this EXXXPERIMENT
pretend that your Mrs. is a MINDREADER, she knows EVERY THING
YOU THINK abHOWET. NHOWE Think abHOWET sumpthin EXXXTREMELY
STRESSFUL to HER like maybe you think sumpthin like a pretty
lady goin bye or a couple beers with the guys or maybe watchin
Monday night football or maybe takin that fishin vacation alone.
Think abHOWET your SP-HOWES tellin you "NO!" and jerkin chokin
scruff shakin and shockin you EVERY TIME you even THINK of
sumpthin she ain't fond of. Think abHOWET YOU bein locked in
a closet for 8 HOWERS with no food water or toilet while she
goes to work or shoppin. Get yourself to a fittin state of mind
thinkin of the sudden strike of electricity "HOWETA THE BLUE"
or gettin jerked an choked for simply takin a peek at some
pretty young thing passin bye.

When you get yourself to that state of mind SLOWLY RELAXXX.
FEEL where YOUR STRESS POINTS ARE. You'll NOTICE your toes,
knees, and back are TIGHT. Probably (if you're right handed)
your LEFT KNEE will be tighter than your right. IF The Freakin
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard is CORRECT, the STATISTICS will
SHOWE that MOST ACL surgeries are FIRST performed on the LEFT
LEG and a few months later, on the right leg.

The EXXXPERS attribute the second knee failing due to
the dog bein "off balance" due to the CRIPPLING of the
other leg but WE KNOW THAT AIN'T TRUE or even probable.

> This helps explain why cruciate tears often
> occur over time in middle-aged dogs,

NO. It may take YEARS of CONSTANT INTERMITTENT
LOW LEVEL STRESS like being told "NO!" a couple
times a day to break DHOWEN the system.

> while human ruptures can happen at any age, and almost
> always result from an acute twisting or turning of the
> joint.

RIGHT. But the dog doesn't have an ACCIDENT to CRIPPLE him.
The crippling is a direct result of the body bein INCAPABLE
of heeling itself under constant intermittent low level stress
and commercial garbage dog food.

> As in humans, the dog knee contains two cruciate ligaments,
> and the front-most ligament is likeliest to tear.

You'll notice THAT'S where YOUR stress was if you followed
the aforementioned EXXXPERIMENT pupperly <{); ~ ) >

> In humans this is called the anterior ligament,
>  in dogs the cranial ligament.

Naaah. In dogs this is called The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{): ~ ) >

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> Some research suggests that cruciate-ligament tears bear a genetic
> component. An article in the January issue of the Journal of the
> American Veterinary Medical Association identified a gene that
> appears to predispose Newfoundlands to cruciate tears.

That's nice. But it's ABSURD.

> Eventually, this discovery could lead to a test that
> would identify carriers of that gene, ideally enabling
> breeders to screen out problematic dogs.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

> --
> It was a book to kill time for those who like it better dead.

When you got The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome "DEATH IS A BLESSING".

> ...Dame Rose Macaulay

The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

Here's a sample:

HOWEDY teri,

teri wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience treating esophagitis?

INDEEDY! We got several dog lovers here abHOWETS who's
critters are DYIN of this STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{): ~ ( >

>  My 6 1/2 year old cat who had previously been (mis)diagnosed
> as having pancreatitis, just had an endoscopic exam and was
> found to have esophagitis, and his belly was full of food even
> though he had not eaten for over 10 hours.

Yeah. That's VERY COMMON here abHOWETS.

> His pain began three months ago, his esophagus was red,
> but not ulcerated so I greatly hope it is not severe
> enough that it can't be treated.

There AIN'T NO TREATMENT for it other than to EXXXTINGUISH
the STRESS which CAUSES the body to break DHOWEN <{): ~ ( >

> He has never missed a meal (other than when I have had him
> NPO for all his Dr. visits lately) so I am glad for that.

As is your veterinary malpracticioner. We got several of
them here abHOWETS. Surprising they ain't replied blowin
smoke up your arse as they ordinarily do. Perhaps that
word "MISDIAGNOSED" scared them off...

> For now he is on Reglan to prevent reflux and get the
> stomach and small intestine moving food out, Carafate
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I hope he gets used to it quickly), and Pepcid to reduce
> the stomach acid.

Google SHOWES 9,890 references to megaesophagus and stress.

Prognosis:
In most cases, the clinical signs stabilize between 6 months
and one year of age, and affected dogs may become acceptable
house pets, although they are not suitable for work.

Owners of affected dogs should be warned that stress,
including exposure to low temperatures, can result in a
dramatic worsening of clinical signs, even in clinically
stable adults. The life span of affected dogs does not appear
to be directly affected by the condition, although the
prognosis for dogs with megaesophagus should be more guarded,
due to the risk of developing inhalation pneumonia.

> I am going to give him three feedings a day instead of two,

Most of HOWER dog lovers give their dogs 4 feedins a
day to prevent "gastric reflux" <{): ~ ( >

> and change him to all soft food Science Diet ID.

That's GARBAGE.

>  He currently is on half soft, half canned, but I
> think the canned will be less abrasive.  Any other
> suggestions, or encouragement will be appreciated.

You should research a well balanced fresh prepared
diet and save your hard earned dough. Study your own
FREE COPY of The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESFUL FREE WWW
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instructions substituting the word KAT for dog or puppy
to EXXXTINGUSH STRESS from your kitty kats lif and HE
MIGHT LIVE a normal natural heelthy lifespan.

> Teri

WELCOME To The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
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      Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory

Subject: Emotional Component Of DIS-EASE - The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME

Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences
On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer

       Emotional Influences On Behavior

       Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
       adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
       McConville & Kaplan, 1966).

       A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
       CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
       by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
       importance of emotional factors in general health.

       Interview findings of emotional material (recently
       experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
       examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
       cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
       even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
       these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)

       150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
       constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
       childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
       score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
       smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
       CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
       Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
       expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
       residence and is more important than a chronic cough
       or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).

       A ten year observation of all the women who developed
       cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
       they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
       characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
       especially marked with those of an undecided body
       build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
       the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
       may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
       somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
       (Grinker, 1966).

       In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
       with a number of losses or separations and with
       feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
       The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
       hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
       (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
       emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
       frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
       cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
       their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
       Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).

       Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
       behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
       and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
       induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;
       (1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
       SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
       collective panic and epilepsies;
       (2) organic modifications, including functional
       difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal,
       cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin,
       urinary, and neuro muscular systems.

       It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
       to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
       the standard six hour school day that I have been able
       to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite
       by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
       "EXECUTIVE  BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY
       TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING
       ULCERS.

From: Sue and Atty (_apple_notmyrealaddr...@raexdot.com)
Subject: Re: 2 year old chewing paws ???

Date: 2004-08-02 16:00:29 PST

NAET   Here's a site to check out.  It sounds
very voodoo, but I went into it quite skeptical -
thinking at least it wasn't hurting her, and if it
didn't work, it was only money.  I was amazed
at the results. http://www.vetnaet.com/

"There is a special application of NAET that addresses
the emotional component of allergy. Because emotions
can create energy blockages and therefore cause
imbalance, treating emotions as if they are allergens
can be accomplished with NAET.

By using MRT to identify emotional imbalances and
following the basic treatment protocol, it is possible
to address and resolve behavioral issues such as
inappropriate urination, antisocial behavior and
aggressiveness, as well as inter-family dynamics
and adaptation to change such as grief or loss."

Sue and Atty

             =================

http://www.labbies.com/css.htm

Currently, other than rest, there is no generally accepted
medication which has been found to be effective for the
treatment of HMLR. Some individuals have, however,
responded to treatment with Diazepam or steroids.

How CSS Causes Seizures. Metabolic encephalopathy (ME) is
a disturbance of brain function resulting in neurologic
deficits and is caused by disorders of metabolism.

Accordingly, ME commonly occurs secondary to CSS because Ca
release channel defects have detrimental effects on the brain
and central nervous system.

The brain has limited stores of high-energy phosphates (ATP)
and glucose reserves that it requires to maintain neuronal
functionand cellular integrity. Therefore, the brain is dependent
upon glucose and oxygen supplied by blood flow for its energy
requirements.

Inability to maintain its own energy reserves makes the brain
extremely sensitive to metabolic disturbances that deplete
energy substrates from the blood.

Loss of calcium homeostasis plays a major role in the
development of neurologic dysfunction. Excessive release of
Ca as occurs in some dogs with CSS has effects including
but not limited to neurotransmitter release and acute energy
depletion.

In other dogs with CSS, persistent leakage of Ca creates a
continuous demand for energy. In either of these forms of CSS,
the increased demand for energy quickly or persistently
depletes the blood of energy substrates required by the brain.
One of the major energy requiring functions of the brain is to
maintain the resting membrane potential by the
sodium/potassium ion pump.

When the brain cannot get the energy it requires, the pump
fails and the membrane potential decays toward threshold
producing the neuron discharge responsible for seizures.

This explains why even mild stimuli such as eating
and fasting can result in seizures in the CSS-susceptible
dog. Fasting inhibits replacement of blood glucose depleted
by elevated energy demands in dogs with leaky Ca release.

Even mildly afflicted dogs that demonstrate low level Ca
leakage will have higher energy requirements.

Because eating induces insulin production that will require
glucose to balance the insulin levels, additional requirement
of glucose during eating will also further compromise a CSS-
susceptible dog whose glucose levels are already depleted
due to Ca leakage.

This condition of depleted blood glucose levels, which occurs
in conjunction with CSS, is known as hypoglycemia and may
be one of the principle causes for seizures in CSS dogs.

http://www.working-retriever.c om/library/myo.html

Preliminary biochemical data indicate significantly elevated
concentrations of sodium, calcium, zinc, copper, chloride,
fat, and intracellular water and reduced levels of potassium
and magnesium in muscles from affected adult Labrador
retrievers.

In addition, a significant decrease in muscle specific
proteins has been identified in the biceps femois muscle of
affected dogs.

Despite the presence of some apparently "neurogenic" features,
examination of the various parts of the lower motor neuron has
so far failed to identify morphological abnormalities.

The underlying pathophysiologial mechanisms involved
in this disease are, therefore, still unclear.

BUT NHOWE YOU KNOW HOWE COME... it's
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, dog lovers.

       "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
       Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
       A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
       But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
       author: "CourteHOWES Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What  does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
           --Mike Dufort
             author of the zero selling book
             "CourteHOWES Canines"

Here's WON of HOWER regular DOG ABUSERS who's
CRIPPLED TWO of her own dogs by jerkin an chokin:

From:           Robin Nuttall
Date:           Mon, Apr 6 1998 12:00 am
Email:          Robin Nuttall <robin_nutt...@muccmail.missouri.edu>

Jaimie wrote:
> >Thanks
> Rimadyl is not only bad, it can be deadly.

Please be careful what you say on a public forum unless you have
conclusive proof. A sweeping statement such as that above, can be
cause for legal action.

Rimadyl is an NSAID. All NSAIDs have the potential for harmful side
effects, however, Rimadyl was extensively tested on a large number of
dogs before being approved for use in this country. It seems that a
very
few dogs have had adverse reactions to rimadyl, which is awful. That
doesn't mean the drug hasn't helped many thousands of dogs, including
my
own.

My doberman bitch has been on rimadyl, daily, for close to a year. A
recent liver panel revealed no abnormalities whatsoever. This is true
in
the great majority of dogs which take the drug. ANY drug will have side
effects. Tylenol has caused liver poisoning and death in humans. That
doesn't mean the drug should be withdrawn from the market.

This drug is

> causing more and more dog deaths from internal bleeding and liver damage.

And your citation for that statement above? Rumors and hysterical
innuendo from this group, mostly consisting of one person's experience?
That doesn't cut it.

> He told me that instead of Rimadyl, he is now using a product that is all
> natural Cosequin.

Cosequin is NOT the same as rimadyl at all. It is a
completely different class of drug. Cosequin works
for some dogs, and not at all for others. It works
by increasing the amount of synovial fluid in a joint.

That can be helpful to some dogs on arthritis, but it
doesn't work as an antiinflammatory agent at ALL, nor
really as a pain reliever. The pain relief is a secondary
outcome.

As an NSAID, rimadyl not only reduces pain, but it
reduces inflammation. For my dog with Wobblers, this
is an extremely important affect. Reduced inflammation
in the spinal column also reduces the tendency of the
ligaments and tendons to thicken and swell around the
affected area, which means that the spinal cord is less
compressed, which means that my bitch gets to live longer.
--
Robin, Jasper and Dreamer
robin_nutt...@muccmail.missouri.edu
(my opinions are strictly my own!)

Doberman page:
http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin/

              ------------

"Wobblers" is CAUSED by jerking and choking her dogs.
robin has TWO dogs she's CRIPPLED with "wobblers".

And when your heads stops spinnin, The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard sincerely wishes you and yours happy,
heelthful days, FOREVER <{}; ~ ) >

                     I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
                                   Jerry Howe,
          The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                                A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                                  G-R-A-N-D
       Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

                   HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
 
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