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HOWEDY mirelle aka show dog bark aka jotnaringin
aka anima aka arash aka dr. gutsy do right aka vera
mahinas aka vera perks, HOWEDY mirelle aka show
dog bark aka jotnaringin aka anima aka arash aka dr.
gutsy do right aka vera mahinas aka vera perks,

Pryor to gettin into the discussion,
here's a tidbit for any Nazi hUnters:

vera mahina aka vera bonte aka vera perks
609 Turner
Silverton, B.C.
Canada VOG2BO
Phone: 250-358-2727

http://www.jdl.org/enemies/nazi/
Jewish Defense League
P.O. Box 480370
Los Angeles, CA 90048
j...@jdl.org <j...@jdl.org>

You think you an Saul will be leavin
town AGAIN, in a BIG hurry?

professor marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into
ITS face and LOCK IT IN A BOX for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer thought the same same, till the CASE HISTORY and
SCIENTIFIC DATA in The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits'End Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training Method Manual
Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory Archives PROVED professor dermer DEAD WRONG, which
is HOWE COME The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard
pulled off a HOWESTILE take over of the usenet dog news groups.

Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into ITS
face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic
Behavior at UofWI, pryor to gettin JERRYIZED:

Subject: Puppy biting owner and tearing clothes
2From: Marshall Dermer
Date: Sun, Nov 23 1997 12:00 am
Email: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)

In article <3478878...@news5.kcdata.com> "Asta" <edwh...@was.net>
writes:

You should show your dog that you are the top "dog."

To do this, your dog must now work for most of the reinforcers
that she previously received without much "cost."

Feeding time?  Command her to sit (or better yet to lie down)
and stay, and only let her access the food (reinforcer) when
you give a "release" command.

Time for a walk? Do the same!

She wants to be petted? Do the same!

She wants to play with other members of the family? Do the same!

When you issue these commands, stare straight in her eyes.
If she doesn't obey, don't allow her to access the reinforcers.

Isolating her for a few minutes IMMEDIATELY AFTER she has not
obeyed may also be helpful.

When the isolation is terminated return to the previous setting
and see if you can reinforce your dog's compliance with the
previously ineffective command. (I'm assuming that petting, taking
a walk, or food remain reinforcing despite the isolation.)

--Marshall

        Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
      Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@csd.uwm.edu
                      http:/www.uwm.edu/~dermer

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Update on Puppy Biting
Date: 1999/06/14

In article <37675817.19034...@news3.bga.c?om>
clayn@NO_JUNKdillonet.com
writes:

Distraction can be a BIG mistake! Why? Because if
your manipulation of the chew toy is reinforcing then
you are inadvertently reinforcing your dog for biting
if you follow his biting with activating the chew toy.

The standard way to curtail biting is to either "yelp
loudly," "clamp the dog's mouth shut with your hand,"
or "pick him up by the scruff of his neck" and say "no"
whenever he bites.

All of these are punishment procedures and
to work they must be put into place promptly,
within say .5 sec, after the bite.

Isolating the dog after a bite is another form
of punishment called time-out (from reinforcement
but it is hard to rapidly implement--within .5
sec of a bite.

If one of these procedures does not work, that is,
your dog behaves as if it were a game, then you
are not using an effective punisher/procedure.

Well, be patient.

You can, of course, use differential reinforcement
of other behavior to eliminate biting. If there is a
situation in which your dog often bites. then create
the situation and if your dog goes without biting for
1 sec. offer a reinforcer (click and treat if you use
a clicker).

Then gradually increase the time that your dog
must go without biting for the reinforcer to be
delivered. Eventually, your dog will not bite and
the other behaviors that you have been reinforcing
will be more frequent.

Another factor to consider is whether your dog
is getting sufficient exercise.

Mine will go "bonkers" if he has been exercise deprived.

Best wishes,

Marshall

                 =====================

            Punishment ALWAYS Deranges Behavior.
        "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
                       EXCEPT
                To DERANGE Behaviors.

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.?),

    --Marshall

      Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
       Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
                    http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
       "Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

Subject:   Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE
                                           (Ninnyboy)

26 From:  Marshall Dermer -
Date:  Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email:   der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)

In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@posting.google.com>
mattburns...@yahoo.com (Matthew Burnside) writes:

Dear Matt:

Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.

My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.

--Marshall

PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
   posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
   is about Jerry.

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.

        *(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED  CASE}
         HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
         INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
         DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)

    Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
    Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
    Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201

             der...@uwm.edu   http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

  "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
              myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_

              YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                       BUSINESS.

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps

In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu>

"Oops!  I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.

At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works,

then, of course, quickly say "Good Dog" when
he is appropriately behaving.

In providing verbal punishment and reinforcement
as in using nonverbal punishement and reinforcement,
timing is very important.

Use these consquences to control behavior much
as in the game where a child is told "your getting hot"
or "your getting cold." If the delay between the behavior
and the consquence is too long then the behavior will
not appropriately change.

--Marshall

marshall dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
at UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

              BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

            That's INSANE. Ain't it.

P.S.  Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

               YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                      BUSINESS.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?

Jen wrote:

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u.  Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids.  Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.  Dr. Von

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent?,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ?to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

           ======================

professor dermer DON'T POST HERE abHOWETS nodoGdameneDMOORE,
and neither do MOST of the pathteic miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderin professional dog trainers and university
trained behaviorists whom HE has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and
DISCREDITED based on their own WRITTEN WORDS and WORKS.

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A mammal brain is a mammal brain. We're workin with
Pavlovian and Ericksonian CONDITIONING based on the
STRONGEST MOTIVATONS: UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, TRUST and
RESPECT, not operant behavior conditioning relyin on
PUNISHMENT, fear, force, intimidation and bribery, or
CLASSICAL CONDITIONING, relyin on AVOIDANCE, WAITIN
for TIME to heel all wounds i.e.: SHEER DUMB BLIND
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A.K.A. The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy
And Horsey Wizard, REMEMBER, vera???

INDEEDY. And HE GIVES CASE HISTORY DATA PROVIN IT.

Like these posts from YOU:

                  Research Laboratory

Date:  Mon, Oct 3 2005 9:25 pm

Hi Jerry,
It is now 1:130 A.M. and I just finished reading your manual.
Of course I will need to read it many more times in order to
apply the techniques when I get a dog.

I found it even better than I thought it would be and I had
high expectations for it.

It is absolutely new , original, TOTALLY overdue for the world
to learn about to stop all the violence, fear and abuse. It is
interesting how they have us in a SPELL ( source peoples emotional
language legacy) and even with the best of intentions while doing
these awful techniques that feel violent and inside the heart
recoils from doing them, there is the little voice that say's
'But it is for the dog's good' and so I have to get tough and
not be a sissy and give in to the horror I am seeing in the dog
and feeling that in my moral compass this feels wrong, and yet
continue to betray myself and the dog because all the "experts"
who say they love dogs ALL agree that I must do this and what
do I know, they say they love dogs they are " love covered in
fur" as Uncle Matty say's. He loves dogs to say this so I must
be too soft hearted to recoil from what obviously is my duty
toward the dog.

You really broke the spell for me.

It is ground breaking work and I am exited to absorb it as in
the first reading there are so many oh wow moments that the
exercises need to be studied at another time as the impact of
the first reading makes it so mind altering that the emotional
response of FINALLY SOME SANITY is so strong that the details
of 'the how' to needs for me to be studied later many times to
internalize it so it is done correctly.

Thank you for the amazing manual.
Go jolly,

        -------------------

Show Dog Bark aka mirelle Wrote:

Subject:        Rumor Has it...
1From: Show Dog Bark
Date: Sat, Aug 19 2006 2:06 am
Email: "Show Dog Bark" <jotnarin...@yahoo.com>

I hear from Jerry, that I have been accused of being some
person called Mirelle. Whoever this Choix Vox is, it disturbs
me that he/she has some issue with someone else and drags me
into his/her Drama.

Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful personality,
genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with Jerry a couple of times
a week about his progress and fine tuning his training. Blue
sits, heels, is totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down',
stay and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.

He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full of puppy
love. He loves walking in the forest trails and swimming in
the cool and refreshing lake. His 'daddy' takes him for his
final walk every evening at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He
sleeps till 7 A.M.

It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting up
for a pee pee a few times with him. In the first few weeks I
had to take him out at night, but now he is able to sleep all
night. He is like a tranquilizer.

I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius, as he is so clever
and obedient.

He tells me this is the nature of a dog that has not been abused.

Blue is super good looking and so smart. He learned to sit weeks ago.
When he needs to go outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I have noticed using
Jerry's methods is that Blue is very calm.

Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have bad habits. Blue
only plays with his toys. He knows the difference between his toys
and furniture and does not nip.

I was surprised that he does not want to go on the furniture. He likes
to play on the floor and outside. We sit outside together and he sits
by where I am reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are impressed with his
manners.

Show Dog Bark

            ------------------------

The last The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard
seen of you, you was IN HANDCUFFS bein GENTLY cajoled into
the back of a POLICE CAR on your way to the INSANE ASYLUM.

REMEMBER, vera aka mirelle?

You MURDERED your last TWO DEAD DOGS by jerkin and chokin them
till they was CRIPPLED an TURNED ON YOU and your husband Saul.

REMEMBER THAT, vera?

NO PROBLEMO, vera. Dogs an kats DO NT NEED leashes to
EFFECTIVELY and NEARLY INSTANTLY train them either, vera:

"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes  (depending on what to teach
offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/

           =================

If they're CAPTIVE birds we CAN TRAIN THEM usin the SAME
METHDOS which work on ALL sentinet beins INCLUDING MENTAL
PATIENTS, vera.

Ever WONder HOWE COME The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy
And Horsey Wizard HASN'T USED THEM on the miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin mental cases like yourself, HERE?

It'S necessary to PROVE the PATHOLOGY goin on in these
groups, FIRST, vera. THEN, when the time is right, The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard can
"EXXXPERIMENT" using UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST and RESPECT
on the MENTAL PATIENTS we got postin here abHOWETS, vera,
but NOT so long as we got professional trainers and
university trained behaviorists callin The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard a FRAUD an LIAR.

Hey? GUESS WHAT, vera? The ONLY PROFESSIONAL trainer
we got postin here anyMOORE is janet boss!!! HOWE
abHOWET THAT? THAT MEANS it's TIME for The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard to START BEIN
NICE to HIS MENTAL PATIENTS!!!

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!

You mean 'humorHOWES', vera, JUST HOWETA RESPECT.

Well vera, you're takin quite a leap of LOGIC, even
for an active acute chronic life long incurable mental
patient, to presume that 1. a ROOSTER CANNOT BE TRAINED
using EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC CONditioning, 2.
that a leash and collar are necessary, 3. that REWARDS
and CONSEQUENCES are EFFECTIVE for trainin ANY critter.

Of curse, to date, only "CLICKER BRIBE TRAINING" has been
MARGINALLY EFFECTIVE for trainin Shamu's and roosters, a
la Marian & Bob Bailey and karen pryor:

Subject:  ok, clicker training new puppy -

21From:        Jerry Howe
Date:        Sun, Dec 16 2001 5:14 am
Email:         "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>

Hello professor lying doc "scruff shake" dermer,

"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote
in message news:9vh81e$2if$1@uwm.edu...

You think your pal bailey's a big shot cause
he taught a pigeon to peck corn?

You think your trick pigeon trainer could train a
rooster not to crow without bribing or cooking it?

I did.

You think your trick pigeon trainer could break a
Cockatoo of screaming without bribing or cooking it?

I did.

You think your trick pigeon trainer cold break a
Cockatoo of biting without bribing or cooking it?

I did.

You think your trick pigeon trainer can train a kat not
to scratch furniture without bribing or cooking it?

I did.

You think your trick pigeon trainer can train a kat
not to fight and spray without bribing or cooking it?

I did.

You think your trick pigeon trainer could break a dog of fear
of thunder or carsickness without bribing or cooking it?

I did.

You think your trick pigeon trainer can train a
dog not to eat poo without bribing or cooking it?

I did.

You think your trick pigeon trainer could train a novice to
train their dog to stay in their back yard without bribing
or cooking it?

I did.

Read the following posts and tell us just what the heel's
goin on professor. Seems to me you've got a lot of crow to
eat, don't you you miserable lying dog abusing Thug...

Tell us about your delayed punishment a la gary wilkes
of M.I.T. and your ANAL-ytic scruff shaking, screaming
and social isolation, professor.

Tell us HOWE COME your little dog masturbates on your couch
pillows. It's either because of anxiety over having his
behaviors punished, or it's allelomimetic behavior, professor.

I think you're in for a rough SPELL, professor. j;~)

              -------------

SNIP C-HOWENTLESS CASE HISTORIES <{): ~ ) >

Clicker trainin FAILS when Shamu ATTACKS his trainers
and FAILS on 10% of the US Marine Mammals Corps critters
soon as they hit open water and FREE FOOD.

And of curse, MIXING METHODS GETS TRAINERS DEAD,
ask Seigfried & Roy. Ooops! YOU CAN'T ASK Roy, he
got his throat torn HOWET by a tiger he was BRIBING
FORCING and PUNISHING <{}: ~ (  >

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."

Sez you, vera? You're a MENTAL PATIENT, REMEMBER?

And as for roosters LIVIN IN THE HOWES, IN FACT, some DO.
When The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard
worked at a missionary HOWEspital in Haiti, HE KNEW of
several fighting roosters who were so well loved they
LIVED INSIDE with their owners CONSTANTLY <{}: ~ ) >

INDEED? Ask your two sons who DON'T TALK TO YOU, vera!

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

         The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
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                      NEARLY INSTANTLY,
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                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                   As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                 As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
            As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                 INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

             You GET The Critter You TRAINED

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

         Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
              We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                 And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                  and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                  What one fears, one destroys."
                     Chief Dan George

IN FACT, IT WILL, vera.

Oh? You mean LIKE THIS?:

Abuse / fear / aggression / hyperactivity / shyness / suicide
attempts AIN'T a chemical imbalance or genetic problem it's
a SPIRITUAL problem,  passed on from WON generatiHOWEN
of abuser to the next, like the 100th  monkey washin fruit in the
stream. After a while it's not just NORMAL, it's OBLIGATORY.

To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL of your parental teachins.

        The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
           Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
                       Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
              Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
           Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment,
               Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness,
       Aversion, Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion,
         Change, Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
                                And
            Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.
           YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.

          It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
              The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
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Oh? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS, vera?:

Subject:                        Discipline - The "NO!" Command -
                          HOWE Dogs And Children Learn To Tell You
"NO!"
                            And HOWE COME They RUN HOWET On You

"my grandchildren will never ever.. ever.. feel
shame or feel like they're not loved :).

then i heard him tell someone on the news group"
Do you think hitting babies is intelligent" and i was
like whoa.. now i feel like cockaroach and pray every
time i distract them that they can somehow grow up
not to hate me..

and i pray i caught myself in enough time." Amanda.

  From: Amanda [mailto:ama...@dcfwatch.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Discipline

  On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T__ wrote:
 >  how old is your bub amanda?  waht's the bub doing?

 >> Hello again ladies,

 >  Amanda, I love your signature. I also do not spank my
 >  daughter, however, she is at an age where she really is
 >  asserting her independence.

 >  Can anyone help with ideas of what I can do? Blessings,
 >  T.

  funny you bring this up...  i met the most wonderful
  couple.. man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his life
  who uses a technique that is ONLY praise and distraction
  with some family pack exercises.

 They spent the day with us sunday helping me on my
  two pits... one is a protective/aggressive 20 month old
  female who is my bubby :) and our 7 week male pup.
  anyway.. not only did i nip any and all aggression issues
  in mere minutes...he and his wife helped me with my kids.

   I was and always have been a spanker.

  It is all i knew how.. i never, ever wanted to be..
  but i was.  my house/kids were out of control..
  i was always stressed.

  Since he and his wife came down sunday we've
  had a HUGE change... for the first time the kids
  didn't destroy my house before i woke up... my
  3yo was in my bed coloring waiting for us to wake
  up...  this is the first time she ever used paper
  :) she usually does walls, furniture.

  Anyway..  he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works.

  I have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very
  bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am and
  know it :)  There has not been a temper tantrum in two
  days in my house.

  You guys have no idea how great this is.

  But best of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye
  or a tone of that is in any way short of absolute praise..
 no shouting.. not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada.. ONLY
  praise.

  They even taught my kids not to take candy unless
  i say so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her
  ears for candy..

  it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and
  now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my
  closet (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there
  and NO ONE has eaten one! My 3 yo is even helping
  me pick up the house.. the baby took my lingerie chest
  apart.. and she cleaned it up!  first time!

  They don't even go out the open door without my
  offering it! they helped me sort laundry.. clean the
  living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt
  from the fridge andwalked to our kitchen table, sat
  down and ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table
  and eat!

  We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so
  when they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you
  show me how you sit pretty??  and they ALL hop
  down and show me to sit pretty with their feet NOT
  on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost
  fell over..

  thanks for reminding me to share my joy!

  I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!

  here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!

Subject: Re Discipline.  Also, SLEEP!
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500
From: Amanda <ama...@dcfwatch.com>

 >  Can you go into this a little more?  How did they
 >  accomplish all  this in one day?

My learning is progressive.  I email or call him with
questions.  But, i'm getting most of it myself.  Something
clicked.

How would we do it with our families?

that is kind of broad..  ask me specifics... or i'd still be
typing when your kids are in college ;)

 > I really have problems controlling my temper when I am
 > already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me:

Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had
problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old
wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so
strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do
instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and
then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed
me how to do it.

pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc.

Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me..
hurting me and then laughing.

Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it
all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned...  as it is
i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two
days (my neighbors two streets over are happy :)

 Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it
 ellicits your ultimate attention.  Does your 3 year old enjoy
 fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the minute
 you pick up the phone??  No.

 They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's
 what they want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it is
controlling you.

Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure
they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are
watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be.  they
should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and
she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and
expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there
to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost.

When they learn to follow you.. it's all good.

Now, take my 19 mo old.  She had this habit of sipping 4 oz
from her bottle and demanding more.  if i didn't refill it..
she threw a hgue fit.  Now she hands me her bottle and says
more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and
pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it
back saying MY Baba!!  She wants that bottle.. so she takes it
and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it.  we had a huge
problem with them taking things they cant have and when i
wanted it they ran...  now i give the baby (19mo) my finger..
and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout My finger!  that's
mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she resists.. and i go
"Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives it to me and i
gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're welcome.. and i
give her the finger back... then i hand her say a lighter...
and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i have that???
and she gives it over etc.  Of course sometimes she'll have a
cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell say No.
and i say that's ok!  and tickle her or snap my fingers and
say good girl naya.. good job.. then ill start my game again
and wrestle and try to take it gently... then.. can i have
that??? she gives it over.  this works with everything now.

 > Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like that.

Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced
control.  you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract
and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids.  Put
some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it..
make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice
baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and
breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like
mad!

 > How would I apply this in those situations?  Also, what do
 > you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough
 > to distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal
 > objects into electrical outlets, trying to get into the
 > oven, etc.?

Use your judgement.. if you have the distance/time to
distract... do it.. if you don't... pick them up and away..
but act like it's to throw em in the air.. so they don't know
youre forcing control by phsycially removing them... cuz when
you force control.. with the come command when you want your
dog away from something... or when you pull a dirty shoe from
your baby's mouth.. you put value on it.

Like when your kid puts a penny in its mouth.. youll try to
pry its mouth open to get it... and he'll clamp right down..
you gave that penny VALUE!  it's not just a piece of crap..
mom WANTS IT!

so.. instead you make a game.. say you want em to smit it
out... walk somewhere else... attract their attention.. be
kinda sneaky... odds are the thing in their mought will get
annoying and they'll spit it out when they walk toward you...
if all else fails.. pry it outta their smiling jaws... snatch
em up away from falling down...  but only when you have to..
then work realy hard to overcome that forced control.

Also don't make a big deal about it.. or else theyll learn not
only to command your attention, but also mom will always catch
me so she is watching me.. not me watching her.

 > I never realized how spirited C__ was until I started
 >  tending other kids.

those are my kids.  I have had social workers with their
degrees in child development stop offering me services cuz
they couldn't handle my kids... my friends call mine the
obstinate kids.

 > They're docile kittens compared to C__!  This brings up
 > another question - what do you do when YOUR child is the
 > bully?

if you catch it before it happens.. loud sound.. big
distraction and PRAISE. if you catch it afterward... distract
and say oh my goodness! and pay attention to the other kid...
he wont get the attention... then explain how that hurts.
odds are your kid won't hurt another kid if he truly
understands its not nice.

 > C__ is always beating the other boy over the head when he
 > comes over.
 > We don't hit in anger in our family

i have.. everyone does in my family... i did it a few times
over 4 years... but that is because i didn't know how not to.
i know now.. and i wanna tell everyone i can.. so someone else
doesn't spank their kids due to a lack of knowledge.

 > (we do it playfully sometimes, so we are curtailing that
 > in case it is giving him ideas)

my kids, 6yo, 3yo and 19 month old, favorite game is chasing
around the house (all 4 of us) with wooden spools yelling at
the top of our lungs "I'm gonna beat your a$$.. HA HA HA... no
IM gonna beat YOUR a$$  MU HA HA HA"  my neighbors prolly
think im nuts.. but the kids love it dog even plays too

 > but I admit that after I have been trying to get him to go
 > to sleep for 45 minutes, I  get a little rough sometimes.
 > It's really frustrating.  He'll be dead tired - eyes
 > bright red, fussy, eyes almost closing every 5 seconds.

It gets worse... they all do it around that time.. they don't
want to sleep.. andyou know what?  they don't grow out of it
until they're parents :)  it's one of those times you have to
use your patience and keep distracting and praising.

 > So I'll take him into the bedroom, and lay down to nurse
 > him.  He'll nurse for about 5 seconds and then jump up and
 > run to the window and start bending the blinds.

he wants you upset.. he wants your undivided attention.  you
have to refuse it.. no evil eye.. no "conner" quiet or not..
no anger.. complete nonchalance.. they have to have a total
complete entire lack fo negative attention.. and all they'll
be able to do is sit back and enjoy the positive!

One shout.. one name call.. one No! and it takes awhile to
work up to the positive only.

 >  So I gently pick him up and lay him back down.

try not to.. but if you have to ok

  > And we repeat the process over 10000 times.

when he goes to sit up.. when yous see the thought on his
face.. distract with sound and follow with praise or a song or
giggle.

  > Then I get frustrated and lay him down less gently.

better than my method of plop em in the crib and let em cry.
No anger.. stay calm.. meditate, pray.. breath..  try to
remember they will not always be this small.. and youll never,
ever for anything get it back. it's what im using

  > That makes him cry, which is the last straw that
  > FINALLY gets him to nurse to sleep.

He got you riled up.. what he wanted.. time to sleep.

 > Writing it out, I thought of something.  He must have a
 > lot of excess tension he needs to release before sleeping,
 > and finally crying releases it for him.

 no way... crying isn't a release.. sometimes.. maybe for
 some people.. crying is frustration, pain, hunger,
 sadness... sometimes joy.. sometimes tension.. but not
 because of his life.. because he's insecure... their dealing
 with negative and positive.. and thats what makes em
 insecure.

 > Any good ways to do this that don't involve crying?

distraction and praise.. if all else fails get up and dance..
fast for day.. slow rocking at night.

 > Turning on soft music and swaying in the sling used to
 > work for us, but now he either grabs at everything he can
 > reach or bends over backwards until he's hanging upside
 > down.

cuzhe knows what you're doing.  hold him instead.. or sit him
in your lap on the bed and rock

becuase it is forced control.

Amanda

From: Ama...@DCFWatch.com (Ama...@dcfwatch.com)

Subject: Re: we're so frigging happy and calm.. thank you
thank you thank you thank you thank you!

Re: [Jerry] Re: Please, discontinue discussions
with our dog abusers...NINNYBOY
Date: 2003-01-13 06:20:45 PST

Yup.. we did.  She did get on it once in the middle of the
night.. but i woke up.. and did the d/p while walking out
of the room and outstanding praise when she complied.
She's got it :)

That's tricky.. but we'll set it up today :)

She went to her spot.. under the kids bed.. and i did the
come/praise and she came right out and we did some
lovin...  i think she's just all sorts of confused.. this is
brand new.. although familiar with d/p.. she's not used
to me GETTIN it PERFECT

We'll set that up today too.  But i think she got it
yesterday.. lol.

I think i do.. do you think i do?

I was so nervous i wouldn't know. Not anymore :)

So let them approach eachother?  i'm worried about a bite
getting in before i see the build up.. and im worried about
d/ping when there isn't going to be a bite.. make sense?

That's the baby.

Lol... they're one and the same! lol

It was the 19 month old.. so we'll work on them with that
today.

Not in my house!

CHloe is the 3yo.. jasmine is the 6yo

Was a first in this house!

Dinner usually consists of me running around making sure
dinner is not on the walls and the baby  isn't dive bombing
from her high chair!

Nope.. we're calm and happy :)

I think i'm getting there.. i felt by the last hour when i was
d/ping while you spoke i was getting it.  like slow motion..
i could see everyone going for something and i was just
getting it all out in perfect timing... with the kids too.. by
the end of the night we had moo sleeping with kelly on
the floor.. first time ever.. we praised him out of howling..
and we actually slept great!

i think we'll have it awhile.. certain things i wanna break..
running out the door.. front door... etc

Yup.. we set kelly up for the pizza delivery man last night.
she barked and we did sound/distraction... she left the front
door altogether when chris called her.. first time for that
too.

Sounds good to me!

Lol.. well i don't think i can say it enough either.

You want me to give out the link to all of the pics??

Yup...  it will be a month or two for the card.. between busy
and shopping for the right card at the right price... but we
can have the tape done i think easy.

lol... watch out... we might build a statue in the park!

She's so cool about it though :)

Yup :)

I always did.. i just needed to check my vision :)

Amanda.

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his
enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes
a precedent that will reach to himself. -- 1776 From the American
Crisis by Thomas Jefferson

                 ------------------

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard has
worked with and rehabilitated many hyperactive, fearful,
aggressive, HOWETA CON-TROLL children NEARLY INSTANTLY,
usin the same same same same 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL METHODS, vera:

Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic
children improved enough to go to school without
"anything that is regarded as good psychotherapy or
as psychotherapy at all..."

Autistic children have been known to become permenantely
social by deinstitutionalization, BY REMOVAL from the parents,
BY RADICAL CHANGES in other environments, and by MASSIVE
DOSAGE of TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE DESPITE
THE REJECTION OF THE CHILD."

The SCIENCE of Dog training and behavior AIN'T LUCK.
"Luck is for SUCKERS", The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{) ; ~  )   >

That's INSANE, vera. Your own children HATE YOU for
what you've done to them, REMEMBER vera? YOU MURDERED
YOUR LAST TWO DOGS, REMEMBER vera?

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

This is not negative reinforcement.  Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? --  too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD.  Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog?  So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

Let's talk abHOWET your children who HATE YOU, vera?

Let's talk abHOWET the TWO DEAD DOGS YOU MURDERED, vera?

You're INSANE, vera. There's ONLY WON CURE for you,
vera. DO THE ONLY HONORABLE THING LEFT to do, vera.

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
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Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read! Course
my little gray box seems to be working... Buddy stopped
biting the baby! No negative side-effects seen occurring...
not to the bird, the other bird or Zelda. ~misty

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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news:
21047-3CAD0E8A-173@storefull-2291.public.lawson.webtv.net...

Jerry sent me the DDR when I mentioned my cockatoo was
stressed out by my then just learning to walk baby.

Buddy was screaming day and night.. lunging at Joey whenever
he crawled up to Buddy's cage and nipping the baby ( if Buddy
wanted to his beak is powerful enough to sever an adult's
finger in one snap!)

At first we noticed nothing... after a few days .. nothing..

nothing except quiet :-)

That's not to say Buddy never screams.. heh.. he'a a
'Too.. but the late night scream-a-thons ended.

He also tolerates Joey playing in his water dish <sigh> just
what I want...2 splashers! Buddy loves to bathe in his water
until there's more water on the floor and walls than in his dish :-)

Twice now Buddy has had marathon scream-a-thons... for a few
days each time. It takes that long for me to realize the DDR
is unplugged -O

Once cos DH did some maintenance and forgot to plug it back
in ( of course he remembered to plug the washing machine back
in ;-P)

The second time I had unplugged it while sweeping... and forgot
to plug it back in...

We sure enjoy him being such a good bird! He's been so loving
to everyone... my older 2 boys love being able to give him
scritches again.

~misty

(No, Jerry, you can't have the DDR back just yet! :-)

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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
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Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG.

I have a very loud cockatoo who has been having problems
adjusting to my 8 month old son. Joey is learning to walk.

He likes to use Buddy's cage as a hold on for dear life object.

Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older two
boys went through this stage in a different house where Buddy
had his own room and the boys had only visits, not daily contact
24/7.

Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has
been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-s
top screaming.

A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the
widows shut <g being in the house it makes your ears pop
and your nerves crawl.

Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to
use it. He answered my questions quite politely. I have been
using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is located~teensy
4 room house) for 3 weeks. At first I noticed no difference
in Buddy's behavior. Then I realized after a week that he no
longer screamed for hours on end. This isn't to say he stopped
completely <bg he still demands his share of all meals.

But he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone_
to go to bed. Last week he had a day where he screamed all day.

My nerves were frazzled.

I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's instructions.
I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on and
left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back down and
quit screaming.

In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts
come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie.
He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who
is very friendly with my kids and Zelda. I may not like how
Jerry treats other posters but I do like the methods he shares.

Being on a limited budget I like things that are free.

I also like the fact that I can e-mail him and get advice
whenever I need it. Even my DH who is a technical minded
kind of guy thinks the DDR is working. ( He went to Devry
and has a degree in electronics, knows alot about radios
and anything mechanical... he's a jack of all trades around
the house <g). He does NDT for a living.

We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey
is walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal..
some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg. So, yes, there are some
of us out here who do appreciate Jerry's methods if not his
condemnation of other "regulars". Honey, flies that sort of
thing....

~misty

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Yeah, not so long as we got PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN LYIN
child abusin animal murderin MENTAL PATIENTS tellin folks to
BRIBE CHOKE PUNISH HURT INTIMDIATE an MURDER their critters
like HOWE YOU DONE, vera:

It's MENTAL CASES like YOU who got Misty's
DEAD DOG Peaches DEAD ON HER, vera:

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P  So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv..

at that time Jerry had his own troll,

*(THAT WAS YOU, mary beth)

somewhat like Candace, so the group was
not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30"  within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes,  I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda.  It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids.  I and my boys still miss her.  Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

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From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news

16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

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misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog
in our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:12208-3BB67479-427@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

Hi Cathy!

Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person..

I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes
(not lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.

Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the
neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs.  An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.

I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped
down my throat.  Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.

The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.

Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry
treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.

I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break
will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.

Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started
applying Jerry's methods.  One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D

I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems
needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks.  I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.

If you want my phone number, e-mail me.  We would have to
set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.

~misty

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Subject: one Cat's aggression/fear-solved

1From:          starrk...@aol.com
Date:           Mon, Jul 10 2006 8:55 pm
Email:          "starrk...@aol.com" <starrk...@aol.com>

Hi everyone,

I'd like to tell you all of an encouraging experience I
had with a wheelchair bound lady and her "aggressive" cat.

The lovely kitty is generally high strung, very protective
of the lady and fearful of unknown people and noises. And
after biting and scratching people who worked helping her,
the owner was convinced she would not be able to keep the
cat, as much as that upset her.

I heard of the kitty and contacted the shelter for the owner
to see if they would take her and they couldn't say yes no
knowing why the cat had bites. If aggression was a personality
trait for the cat they might not be able to take her.

I spoke to the lady about trying to change the behavior
before she makes a choice on giving up the cat. She was
all for it. So I took my Doggy Do Right box over there
and set it up for her. The owner kept it on the second
setting for a few days then switched to the third setting
for the next week or so.

When I called to check on them the owner said,
"ya know, that thing really works!"

Her cat is now allowing strangers in the apartment without
threatening them, or batting them with her paw. She said
kitty calmly checks out the new people and then goes to lay
down the floor. She is so happy:-)

now she wants her own DDR.

This is a kitty a lot of different people were telling the
owner was too much for her to deal with. She's only had the
machine for about 3 weeks and the kitty is doing great:-)

I'm so happy this worked out and had to let you all know
again what a great tool the DDR is.

The machine could help many more animals become "adoptable"
or be able to remain in their homes. Everyone in animal care
should give it an honest try.

Crystal

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Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Comisioner
of Brevard CO, FL writes:

I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats.  I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems. I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter
approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member
of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC
agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of the
Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are:
county commissioner, vet.rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA
cat club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.).

Thanks, Elaine,

Elaine

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Hi Jerry,

I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit.  I have
since borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung.  She speaks very
highly of it.

So, I brought it home and plugged it in.  Of course, I
wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every
one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few
hours.  Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still
no comas.  But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point.
So, I gave it a little longer.  Still no comas.  Was this
really going to work?  I mean, I do have an unusual situation.

So, by bedtime, a few hours later.  I started to notice just
how many were asleep already - with their feet in the air!  I
started to have hope. During the night, all was calm.  In the
morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly
to the door to go out.  Not the usual evacuation.

I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning.  I was certainly pleased with the night effect.
I wasn't so sure about the amount of the day time effect.
Until I took it back.  Within half an hour, the monsters
had resurfaced.

I wondered if I could break into Elaine's
house and if she would notice :)

I know another person who does dog rescue.  She rescues
Beagles.  She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house.  God
bless her.  She is interested to see if it will work for
her.

I also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and
she is interested.  The cat rescue people have monthly
meetings.  Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.

So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way
about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate
it.  I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but
don't know if that is advised, even with my situation of so
many new ones coming and (too few) going.

Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc.
I think the vets should have the info in their offices.
It must help dogs with separation anxiety.  My vet practices
homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I would
think it would be right up her alley.

Thank you
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life

Desiree (New Leash), is a member of the Space Cats
Rescue in Melbourn, FL. She wrote me after using Doggy
Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) for just TWO DAYS. She'd
borrowed it from Elaine, but Elaine called her back and
asked her to return it A.S.A.P., because she needed it to
keep her problem cat from bullying the others. Her post
wasn't sent as an endorsement, it was just her private
email to me:

"I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until
Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with
the night effect.  I wasn't so sure about the
amount of the day time effect.  Until I took it
back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced.  I wondered if I could break into
Elaine's house and if she would notice :)"

Hi Jerry, (update 10/31/00)

Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat reports all
is well. She has been running DDR for well over a week now and JR
has not beaten up on any of the other cats. Gillie the smallest female
cat was living in the bathroom and JR was attacking her every day.

Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day she had
the DDR and came  home to good news "no hair all over the room.

Now she is leaving the bathroom door open all the time and JR has
not attacked Gillie. Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the
bed but JR got soooo....bad he would almost maul her if she came
into the bedroom. Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came into the
bedroom and JR just looked at her and ignored her.

Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR outside or
having him euthanized. Will update you in another week or so.

Thanks, Elaine

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Hi Jerry,

Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks)
now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the
lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer
with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but
much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name
as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down
that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send
an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space
Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same
problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of
nightly cat fights.

Thanks, Elaine

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Hi,
Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number
of times during the day. We are going to try  putting it on the
next setting and see if that will completely solve our
problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the
spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work. Will let
you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people
with cat spray problems though you might want to recommend that
they do what we did.

We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme product
that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a long time
and it usually only slows them down for a week or two, so I
know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the success we are
seeing right now. We were resigned to constant cleaning and
even then it was difficult to keep up with. I don't know if you
have forgotten but we have 19 cats.

Elaine.

                    -------------------------

Margaret Hoffman

Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe

I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for
about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe,
Chelsea.

Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts
at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with
a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and,
unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who
doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe
and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him
personally work with Chelsea.

His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog
that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her. After
Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture,
ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash.
She is calmer and we are all happier.

Well, it is a very long story and I won't bore you with all the
details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day
for our dog and for us.

Marge Hoffman.  (REWARD PAID BY DW.)

P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell you my DDR!

Hi Jerry,

I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.
Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot
going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task
Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal
abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting
and time was just not available for anything else.

Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried
to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has
asked for although he has yet to furnish the P.O. Box number that
he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that
I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in
answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you
which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only
had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider
"public information."

Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission
to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this
email.

I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation
from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his
reward offer in the first place.

I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I
have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR
down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic
vet that I go to and he is also interested.

In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I
do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped
my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his
opinions or reward.

The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your
behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with
aggression and other behavior problems.

I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100
feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog
obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of
Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of
Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep.
from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head
of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.).

I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that
I am involved with animals and have very little time to play games
with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not
believe in it.

Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright
on it as did Mark Shaw's last email to me.

Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world get you down.

Elaine

Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark's of this
world, with some occasional successes. I guess that's variable
reinforcement?

Yours, Jerry.

Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: Sep 9,
2000

"I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
indeed exist.

I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
but our cats and even us.

She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him
to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.

It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets
to euthanize her.

I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats.  I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.

I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.).

Thanks, Elaine,

BlueMoon Wrote:

Hello MOCrab.

Well, I'd take your advice and go thru the killfile as you have
recommended below, but Jerry's system Is WORKING wonders
with these two puppies in a matter of days. He may be abusive
and short-tempered with some people out there because, quite
frankly, I think he cares more  about the dogs that the owner's
feelings and feels so strongly about it, it's aggravating to have
"experts" discount his methods.

My husband just got back from taking these 15 week old pups
for a walk, who now respond remarkably well to the "Zena-Zoey-
sit-good-girl!" phrase now when only said once no matter where
they are.

They also respond to the come here command. We trained them
(granted, out of order of the instructions) with the pennies
in the cans only two days ago to come to us when called.

I've since backtracked to do the exercises in the proper order.

They are calm and well-behaved and impress the Hell out of
anyone who sees them. "You're kidding, they're only 14 weeks
old and they are THAT well behaved?"

Yessiree Bob, they are, and we've only had them for 12
days and have been training them (correctly  for 3 days.

We still have more training exercises to do, but why fix something
if  it's not broken??>?? These dogs are happy, we don't have to yell
at or scold them, they are learning to be secure and to pay attention
to us for approval and not out of fear.

I can only assume some might be threatened by this manual's
methods because it goes against all human logic on how to
train a dog. It certainly didn't make any sense to me, but I
thought what the heck, try it (even tho I still have to remind
myself what to do because my previous limited experiences
with dog training were SO DIFFERENT to the point that I
almost felt like I needed to take my brain out of my head and
put it back in backwards!!!.....).....

BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!

How in the world could someone just "make
something up" and it WORK?>??>?

My husband was very doubtful about this method when I told him
I wanted to try this. His dad was a vet, and certainly didn't
use these methods with the parade of dogs they had as kids. But
now even HE has to admit we're doing something right here, as
our stress and frustration levels have lowered and EVERYONE is
much happier around here, especially the dogs!

I really don't think people are used to the notion that you can
train a dog and it NOT be stressful or difficult. It's easy IF
you do it just like the manual says. It might be easier for some
to NOT do it now and go with the concept of control rather than
respect and understanding, because that's the way WE are used to
thinking and heaven forbid WE change OUR way of thinking and admit
we've done some counterproductive things in the past, right?

The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks volumes
and discounts what anyone tells me otherwise. This Wit's End
manual is now in a binder and we're sticking with it.

BlueMoon

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From: "misty" <Momi...@webtv.net>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Hello Misty

HOWEDY Misty,

I do believe MY Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will
And A Rooster Did Too), will warm the cockles
of Birdie Buddy's FHOWEL Cockatoo heart;

Just as it calmed the wails and scratch of the
kitty kat, and hushed the crow of the rooster
and his cock-a-doodle-doo too, and YES, even
much more than all that,

HE KNOWS HE can train your Cockatoo, to boot;

This'll be beautiful, EZ, FREE, quick, yes, we'd even
call that FAT, when Birdie Buddy finds peace, relaxation,
and enjoys life much more like that, as  is the intent of
a cockatoo or kitty kat, is generally to do more often
than not, for a Cockatoo or rooster or bunny or doggy to
do, too;

Baby Joey and Birdie Buddy makin pals are MY
merit gauge, We can't have birdy Buddy biting
Baby Joey through his gilded Birdie's private
Cockatoo Birdie's cage,

Just think of the silence, the first time Birdie Buddy
is quiet, knowing Birdie Buddy is calm, serene, at peace,
and reliant, that Baby Joey can safely enjoy, sharing his
Cockatoo Birdie Buddie's HOWES and his toys, and feast on
his seeds, his nuts, and yeah, even his fingers and nose
will be safe in or out, either playing or eating his dinner
or pullin his feathers HOWET or teasing him as children will
do, no dHOWET;

When Baby Joey puts cheese covered fingers in birdy
Buddy's gilded Cockatoo's cage, we can't tend Birdy
Buddy with Baby joey to defend, till Baby Joey comes
of age, to understand, be sage, to be wise and to see,
that Baby Joey taking Birdy Buddy's food or climbing
his house like a tree, puts Birdie Buddy's Birdie brain
into a fretful Fowl rage,

Birdy Buddy can't see that Baby Joey's that age, where
everything Baby Joey sees, that whatever he gets goes
right in his mouth, even the cigarettes and car keys,
Birdy Buddy probably thinks Baby Joey is no less than
a Birdie Buddy food stealing mHOWES or thinks he's a
cracker covered with cheese;

Seems nothing can stop Birdie Buddy biting Baby
Joey till Baby Joey gets big, when Baby Joey stops
plucking Birdie Buddy's feathers and pilfering his
nuts and his seeds, and eating his macaronies and
stealing his cheeses and taking his toys and fruits
and figs, as he pleases;

Baby Joey envies Birdie Buddie's nuts, fruits, toys and his
figs, what he really wants is into Birdy Buddie's personal
HOWES, his space, to share his Cockatoo birdie's diet and
Cockatoo's Birdie like digs;

Birdie Buddy's protecting his toys, his macaronies and
cheeses within or without, Baby Joey will take his toys
and run out and eat Birdie Buddy's food or anything else
that's abHOWET, and give HOWET or take whatever as he
pleases, you'd better watch HOWET for birdie Buddy he
may take him a nip to Baby Joey's hands or fingers, or
maybe even his SNHOWET or his lip, whether Baby Joey's
taking or adding fresh figs, fruits, or cheddar cheeses,
or playing with Birdie Buddy's mirror or toys or just
freaking Birdie Buddy HOWET, just playing with his cuttle
bone or toys, or taking his mirror or climbing his HOWES,
or giving him terror or taking his stuff or just running
abHOWET as Baby Joey learns the hard way, what life's all
abHOWET;

Birdie Buddy's screeching and squaking, your preaching
and talking, can't teach or force Baby Joey to make him
not climb, touch, or take, whatever of course, Birdie
Buddies feathers, cuttle bone or toys, or make them relate,
there's no way you can't just ignore it of course and leave
this to fate, without building  a Citadel to keep them both
safe;

Baby Joey wants to give or to take Birdie Buddy's macaronies
and cheeses, his figs and his dates, or his seeds or his bell
or even his poo, to baby Joey this and everything else is new,
it's impossible to keep Baby Joey safe from all that's in sight,
or from invading Birdie Buddy's HOWES open or closed, private
gilded Cockatoo's cage's in the still of the nite, as Baby Joey
opens Birdie Buddies gilded cage doors and gives Birdie Buddy
the fright of his life, as he invades and crashes his private
Cockatoo Birdie's cage and opens his gates, Baby Joey don't
know he's causing Birdie Buddy to hate him formaking him age
by causing him strife;

Baby Joey's fascinated by Birdie Buddy's HOWES,
feathers, and food, yes, even his Cockatoo Birdie's
cuttle fish bone might taste good, Baby Joey thinks
that everything's safe, everything's good, he'd be
equally mezermerized were Birdie Buddy a ferett, or
crow, or even a HOWESbreaking hood, or just a toy or
a mirror, baby Joey don't know, Birdie Buddy attracts
him like you don't even know, Baby Joey's too young
to know manners or grace, like Birdie Buddy be momma
or his pappa he'd think, Birdie Buddy might nip him
in error or terror or poop on his face, making him
stink, they're learning from each other, getting familiar,
learning to think and working it HOWET, one way or the
other, there's not much you can do, your fearful and
doubtful just being a mother, you worry and P-HOWET,
till the right age Baby Joey gets, till his big enough
to know and think it all HOWET, don't touch where fingers
should not go, Baby Joey's only a Baby too young to reason
and think or to know, and Birdy Buddy's only a critter he's
scared of Baby Joey, don't you know;

Baby Joey thinks Birdie Buddy's awesome, entrancing like candy,
or whom or whatever Baby Joey thinks birdie Buddy's a toy, or
maybe a kat, Baby Joey's a baby, he can't think like that, he
thinks Birdy Buddy's just dandy, or maybe even thinks, Birdie
Buddy's just candy, or maybe Baby Joey thinks Birdy Buddy's his
mommy or his daddy, or maybe a macaw or maybe he be his own great
grandpa, or any play thing he may enjoy, or maybe just wants to
tease Birdie Buddy, Baby Joey's only a boy, giving Birdie Buddy
what ever for, he thinks he's a toy to enjoy, why that's the
nature of a Baby Joey just like any young boy.

That's the nature of any child's pleasure, they only
think of their joy, that's their only measure, they're
apt to do almost anything mistaking trouble for pleasure,
they're children and can't be told, they're not old enough
to measure or care of anything but pleasure, their fingers
go everywhere, what Birdie Buddy likes or wants, or cares
or cares not, children don't know or care you know they
cannot, that's what Baby Joey's all about, Birdy Buddy
don't want to hear none of that, birdie Buddy would prefer
another critter, perhaps even a kat, than deal with a Baby
Joey who crawls everywhere, Birdie Buddy don't want to
find out all of that, Birdy Buddy's just a Cockatoo, not a
Freud or a Yung, you know that no doubt, one's a birdie
the other a boy who's too young, and they're both too
young to think of each other as anything other than a
troublesome brother for fun or whatever, they're unable
right now to know any better, to treat one another like
gold or even their mother;

If the stress don't kill you, this might make you quiver
and shake, when Birdy Buddy won't give Baby Joey a
cracker, some space, or give him a break, it's tit for tat
I'm sure of all that, and nothing will easily change this
or that, except for MY BIOSOUND Machine, but everyone
doubts such, except ME and the Elves and some friends
who know that, there's only few of us and maybe a kat,
who know MY Machine, and think of THAT.

We got a slew of problems, a real life's nightmare, a
dangerous one too at that, there's so much to beware;

At first it might seem not even a prayer can solve this
dilemma, to make Birdie Buddie love Baby Joey or even
just care or whatever, Birdy Buddy don't give a crap who's
son tresspasses there, we all gotta be somewhere as
long as it not there, we gotta do something awful fast
we're feeling that we're trapped, do anything and
everyting, maybe train a birdie/baby watch dog, or even
hire a birdie/baby watching kat, you've hit the wall!

Call the Elve's bring Jerry in, and put on HOWER
new thinking cap;

The BIOSOUND Scientific Elves want to stop that
shrieking and screaming, end the biting and fighting,
commotions and grief like that will keep us from
dreaming, the stress will make you drawn and thin,
and wear you out like that and do your health and
strength in;

Relax my friends I've thought through all of that,
Birdy Buddy ain't my problem, he's no doggy, not
no kitty kat, he's a Cockatoo you know I don't need
no grief, no, I don't need none of that, unless and
until I think Birdy Buddy is like a doggy or kitty kat,
and choose to accept this challenge and fix this
and that, and mount MY horse and don MY own
Cockatoo Birdie training and thinking sombrero,
my Cockatoo birdie business taming and training
suit and cap, of course;

Comes Mr. Jerry cocky attitude, sly grin, yeah all of that,
HE'S on his high horse working his mojo to turn Cockatoo
Birdie Buddy into a doggy or kitty kat, of course, that son
of a???

HE'S on his mount, hey lookey HOWE HE'S decked
HOWET! He can't train no Buddy Birdie Cockatoo,
dressed only in HIS all HOWET!

HOWE'S come to train a Cockatoo, HE'S aware
of all of that, dressed in naught but wearing his
sly wry grin, eyes sparkling and flashing neath the
brim of his oversized Cockatoo Birdie training and
taming sombrero, HOWE's Birdie training suit,
his Birdie business hat, secured tight to the corners
of his solid square fur covered chin!

He dismounts and ties his steed and swaggers,
HE'S off HIS high horse and loosens that strap
on his chin, THAT'S HOWE a Cockatoo training
Wizard begins;

So Misty, Baby Joey, Hubby, Zel