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HOWEDY mirelle aka show dog bark aka jotnaringin
aka anima aka arash aka dr. gutsy do right aka vera
mahinas aka vera perks,

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Two days after GETTIN RID of your puppy who ATTACKED you, you wrote:

Date:  Mon, Oct 3 2005 9:25 pm

Hi Jerry,
It is now 1:130 A.M. and I just finished reading your manual.
Of course I will need to read it many more times in order to
apply the techniques when I get a dog.

I found it even better than I thought it would be and I had
high expectations for it.

It is absolutely new , original, TOTALLY overdue for the world
to learn about to stop all the violence, fear and abuse. It is
interesting how they have us in a SPELL ( source peoples emotional
language legacy) and even with the best of intentions while doing
these awful techniques that feel violent and inside the heart
recoils from doing them, there is the little voice that say's
'But it is for the dog's good' and so I have to get tough and
not be a sissy and give in to the horror I am seeing in the dog
and feeling that in my moral compass this feels wrong, and yet
continue to betray myself and the dog because all the "experts"
who say they love dogs ALL agree that I must do this and what
do I know, they say they love dogs they are " love covered in
fur" as Uncle Matty say's. He loves dogs to say this so I must
be too soft hearted to recoil from what obviously is my duty
toward the dog.

You really broke the spell for me.

It is ground breaking work and I am exited to absorb it as in
the first reading there are so many oh wow moments that the
exercises need to be studied at another time as the impact of
the first reading makes it so mind altering that the emotional
response of FINALLY SOME SANITY is so strong that the details
of 'the how' to needs for me to be studied later many times to
internalize it so it is done correctly.

Thank you for the amazing manual.
Go jolly,

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Show Dog Bark aka mirelle Wrote:

Subject:        Rumor Has it...
1From: Show Dog Bark
Date: Sat, Aug 19 2006 2:06 am
Email: "Show Dog Bark" <jotnarin...@yahoo.com>

I hear from Jerry, that I have been accused of being some
person called Mirelle. Whoever this Choix Vox is, it disturbs
me that he/she has some issue with someone else and drags me
into his/her Drama.

Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful personality,
genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with Jerry a couple of times
a week about his progress and fine tuning his training. Blue
sits, heels, is totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down',
stay and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.

He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full of puppy
love. He loves walking in the forest trails and swimming in
the cool and refreshing lake. His 'daddy' takes him for his
final walk every evening at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He
sleeps till 7 A.M.

It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting up
for a pee pee a few times with him. In the first few weeks I
had to take him out at night, but now he is able to sleep all
night. He is like a tranquilizer.

I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius, as he is so clever
and obedient.

He tells me this is the nature of a dog that has not been abused.

Blue is super good looking and so smart. He learned to sit weeks ago.
When he needs to go outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I have noticed using
Jerry's methods is that Blue is very calm.

Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have bad habits. Blue
only plays with his toys. He knows the difference between his toys
and furniture and does not nip.

I was surprised that he does not want to go on the furniture. He likes
to play on the floor and outside. We sit outside together and he sits
by where I am reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are impressed with his
manners.

Show Dog Bark

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INDEEDY!:

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

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                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                   As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                 As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
            As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                 INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

             You GET The Critter You TRAINED

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

         Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
              We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                 And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                  and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                  What one fears, one destroys."
                     Chief Dan George

YOU MURDERED the last two dogs you owned.

REMEMBER, vera?

Your own two sons WON'T TALK TO YOU.

REMEMBER, vera?

You're an active acute chronic life long incurable
mental patient and dog and child abuser. You blame
your kids HATING you on their DADDY whom they LOVE
and TRUST, bein schizophrenic <{}; ~ ) >

ANY behavior that's CONSISTENT PREDICTABLE or
REPEATABLE is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY
usin EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC NON PHYSICAL Pavlovian
and Ericksonian CONditioning:

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

                             --------------------

From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@earthlink.net>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Why do you reward the dog for being bad?
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:07:53 -0500

Always praise the dog to show him that you
affectionally support or love him. Praising
the dog has nothing to do with what he has
just done, it has to do with your relationship
with him.  "Good dog" means "I love you, dog".

If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.

You praise and admire him.

Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
enemy.

Why does paradoxical reward work?

The dog sh.ts on the floor.  You come up and say "Good Dog"
you love and praise him.  THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.

The dog sh.ts on the floor because he is anxious.

No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote sh.ts in his den.

If he sh.ts in his den its because a bear is outside
trying to get in and eat him.  The dog knows that it
is stupid to sh.t where he eats or sleeps.

Don't you?

If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he is
safe, no pooping on the living room floor.

Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
expectation of disaster.  Correct the situation, and the
dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!

Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.

Love the dog.

Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a piece of steak.

If you give a piece of steak to a dog after he
sh.ts on the floor he'll stop sh.tting on the floor.

GvH
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From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

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HOWEDY culprit,

HOWEDY kelly,

INDEEDY.

The Puppy Wizard doesn't approve of violence.

NOT AT ALL, kelly.

INDEEDY.

GUARANTEED.

DONE THAT.

GUARANTEED.

DONE THAT.

INDEEDY. You're missing HUMAN DECENCY,
MORALS, ETHICS, PRINCIPLES, and ALL REASON.

And that ain't all The Puppy Wizard SPECIALIZES in, kelly.

NO PROBLEMO! You're inscribed in the book of eternal death.
You're a liar and a dog abuser and a MENTAL CASE.

lyingdogDUMMY wrote:

Aimee replied:
Your reply doesn't even pertain to the subject...

Why don't we discuss why you feel you need hurt
animals to "train" them?

I've actually met TPW.  I called him a few times with
questions about the training method, and he realized
that there were some underlying problems. Axel (my dog)
had a special situation.  So, TPW met with us in our home.
The first thing he noticed was that Axel's collar was too
tight.  We loosened it, and immediately Axel calmed
down quite a bit.

We went outside and worked on the HOT AND COLD
HANDLING EXERCISE and THE FAMILY PACK LEADERSHIP
EXERCIZE.  That seemed to get us headed in the
right direction, but we were still having a few
problems with Axel's anxiety.

The main reason TPW visited our home - I found this
our recently during one of our conversations- was to
see how my husband and I interacted with one another.
I had been following the methods precisely, but Axel
was still having difficulty.

TPW's assumptions were correct - we were causing
alot of Axel's anxiety with our arguments and tension.
TPW told me that Axel has been one of his most
difficult dogs to work with.

Axel had his anxieties from mishandling and from my
husband and myself.

We had a few problems because I was unwilling to
accept the fact that I needed to be "nice" eventhough
I wasn't being treated "nicely", but once I realized that
was the only way I could really get Axel past his anxiety,
I worked on being a loving wife (even though I didn't
really want to be).

AND GUESS WHAT?  My husband saw the difference,
and he followed suit.Now, we have a stress free dog,
and a good marriage.

Can you tell me how forcing someone (dog, person,
cat) to do what YOU want them to do, is going to
improve a situation?  I tried that with my husband
and with my dog, and it didn't work with either of them.

Your methods have an 85% success rate - and my dog
was one of the 15% that doesn't accept your methods.

TPW has 100% success rate.  You do the math.

If TPW hadn't helped us, Axel wouldn't be where he is today.

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Here's Aimee's original post and her first post to
The Puppy Wizard:

I own a black an tan coonhound.  We got him as a puppy, and
due to constant mishandling (pulling on his lead, negative
corrections, and the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't crate him, I couldn't
even take my dog for walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things didn't turn
around.

My husband and I searched the internet for answers - AND
WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a dog that can be
left home  alone, that heels on command, that can go outside
and NOT be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods help our dog, but our marriage
has gotten better.  We had fallen into a rut - constant bickering
and tension, we never laughed or had FUN together - but now, with
the same mindset used in THE PUPPY WIZARDS dog training, our
communications channels have opened, and we
now work together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID NOT
TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY, OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting the
POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them.  Yes, there's alot of blame
that we have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused
these problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.

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                      AND LIKE THIS:

     Discipline - The "NO!" Command - HOWE Dogs
     And Children Learn To Tell You "NO!" And HOWE
     COME They RUN HOWET And TURN ON YOU:

  From: Amanda [mailto:ama...@dcfwatch.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Discipline

  On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T__ wrote:

  funny you bring this up...  i met the most wonderful
  couple.. man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his life
  who uses a technique that is ONLY praise and distraction
  with some family pack exercises.

  They spent the day with us sunday helping me on my
  two pits... one is a protective/aggressive 20 month old
  female who is my bubby :) and our 7 week male pup.
  anyway.. not only did i nip any and all aggression issues
  in mere minutes...he and his wife helped me with my kids.

  I was and always have been a spanker.

  It is all i knew how.. i never, ever wanted to be..
  but i was.  my house/kids were out of control..
  i was always stressed.

  Since he and his wife came down sunday we've
  had a HUGE change... for the first time the kids
  didn't destroy my house before i woke up... my
  3yo was in my bed coloring waiting for us to wake
  up...  this is the first time she ever used paper
  :) she usually does walls, furniture.

  Anyway..  he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works.

  I have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very
  bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am and
  know it :)  There has not been a temper tantrum in two
  days in my house.

  You guys have no idea how great this is.

  But best of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye
  or a tone of that is in any way short of absolute praise..
  no shouting.. not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada.. ONLY
  praise.

  They even taught my kids not to take candy unless
  i say so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her
  ears for candy..

  it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and
  now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my
  closet (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there
  and NO ONE has eaten one! My 3 yo is even helping
  me pick up the house.. the baby took my lingerie chest
  apart.. and she cleaned it up!  first time!

  They don't even go out the open door without my
  offering it! they helped me sort laundry.. clean the
  living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt
  from the fridge andwalked to our kitchen table, sat
  down and ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table
  and eat!

  We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so
  when they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you
  show me how you sit pretty??  and they ALL hop
  down and show me to sit pretty with their feet NOT
  on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost
  fell over..

 thanks for reminding me to share my joy!

 I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!

  here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!

 > how old is your bub amanda?  waht's the bub doing?/
 > Hello again ladies,
 > Amanda, I love your signature. I also do not spank my
 > daughter, however, she is at an age where she really is
 > asserting her independence.
 > Can anyone help with ideas of what I can do? Blessings,
 > T.

Subject: Re Discipline.  Also, SLEEP!
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500
From: Amanda <ama...@dcfwatch.com>

 >  Can you go into this a little more?  How did they
 >  accomplish all  this in one day?

My learning is progressive.  I email or call him with
questions.  But, i'm getting most of it myself.  Something
clicked.

How would we do it with our families?

that is kind of broad..  ask me specifics... or i'd still be
typing when your kids are in college ;)

 > I really have problems controlling my temper when I am
 > already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me:

Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had
problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old
wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so
strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do
instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and
then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed
me how to do it.

pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc.

Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me..
hurting me and then laughing.

Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it
all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned...  as it is
i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two
days (my neighbors two streets over are happy :)

 Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it
 ellicits your ultimate attention.  Does your 3 year old
 enjoy fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting
 the minute you pick up the phone??  No.

 They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's
 what they want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think
 it is controlling you.

Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure
they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are
watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be.  they
should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and
she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and
expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there
to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost.

When they learn to follow you.. it's all good.

Now, take my 19 mo old.  She had this habit of sipping 4 oz
from her bottle and demanding more.  if i didn't refill it..
she threw a hgue fit.  Now she hands me her bottle and says
more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and
pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it
back saying MY Baba!!  She wants that bottle.. so she takes it
and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it.

we had a huge problem with them taking things they cant
have and when i wanted it they ran...  now i give the baby
(19mo) my finger.. and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout
My finger!  that's mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she
resists.. and i go "Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives
it to me and i gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're
welcome.. and i give her the finger back... then i hand her
say a lighter... and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say...
can i have that??? and she gives it over etc.

Of course sometimes she'll have a cool! book! and ill ask
can i have that.. and shell say No. and i say that's ok!
and tickle her or snap my fingers and say good girl naya..
good job.. then ill start my game again and wrestle and
try to take it gently... then.. can i have that??? s

he gives it over.  this works with everything now.

 > Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like
 > that.

Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced
control.  you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract
and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids.  Put
some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it..
make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice
baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and
breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like
mad!

 > How would I apply this in those situations?  Also, what do
 > you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough
 > to distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal
 > objects into electrical outlets, trying to get into the
 > oven, etc.?

Use your judgement.. if you have the distance/time to
distract... do it.. if you don't... pick them up and away..
but act like it's to throw em in the air.. so they don't know
youre forcing control by phsycially removing them... cuz when
you force control.. with the come command when you want your
dog away from something... or when you pull a dirty shoe from
your baby's mouth.. you put value on it.

Like when your kid puts a penny in its mouth.. youll try to
pry its mouth open to get it... and he'll clamp right down..
you gave that penny VALUE!  it's not just a piece of crap..
mom WANTS IT!

so.. instead you make a game.. say you want em to smit it
out... walk somewhere else... attract their attention.. be
kinda sneaky... odds are the thing in their mought will get
annoying and they'll spit it out when they walk toward you...
if all else fails.. pry it outta their smiling jaws... snatch
em up away from falling down...  but only when you have to..
then work realy hard to overcome that forced control.

Also don't make a big deal about it.. or else theyll learn not
only to command your attention, but also mom will always catch
me so she is watching me.. not me watching her.

 > I never realized how spirited C__ was until I started
 >  tending other kids.

those are my kids.  I have had social workers with their
degrees in child development stop offering me services cuz
they couldn't handle my kids... my friends call mine the
obstinate kids.

 > They're docile kittens compared to C__!  This brings up
 > another question - what do you do when YOUR child is the
 > bully?

if you catch it before it happens.. loud sound.. big
distraction and PRAISE. if you catch it afterward... distract
and say oh my goodness! and pay attention to the other kid...
he wont get the attention... then explain how that hurts.
odds are your kid won't hurt another kid if he truly
understands its not nice.

 > C__ is always beating the other boy over the head when he
 > comes over.
 > We don't hit in anger in our family

i have.. everyone does in my family... i did it a few times
over 4 years... but that is because i didn't know how not to.
i know now.. and i wanna tell everyone i can.. so someone else
doesn't spank their kids due to a lack of knowledge.

 > (we do it playfully sometimes, so we are curtailing that
 > in case it is giving him ideas)

my kids, 6yo, 3yo and 19 month old, favorite game is chasing
around the house (all 4 of us) with wooden spools yelling at
the top of our lungs "I'm gonna beat your a$$.. HA HA HA... no
IM gonna beat YOUR a$$  MU HA HA HA"  my neighbors prolly
think im nuts.. but the kids love it dog even plays too.

 > but I admit that after I have been trying to get him to go
 > to sleep for 45 minutes, I  get a little rough sometimes.
 > It's really frustrating.  He'll be dead tired - eyes
 > bright red, fussy, eyes almost closing every 5 seconds.

It gets worse... they all do it around that time.. they don't
want to sleep.. andyou know what?  they don't grow out of it
until they're parents :)  it's one of those times you have to
use your patience and keep distracting and praising.

 > So I'll take him into the bedroom, and lay down to nurse
 > him.  He'll nurse for about 5 seconds and then jump up and
 > run to the window and start bending the blinds.

he wants you upset.. he wants your undivided attention.  you
have to refuse it.. no evil eye.. no "conner" quiet or not..
no anger.. complete nonchalance.. they have to have a total
complete entire lack fo negative attention.. and all they'll
be able to do is sit back and enjoy the positive!

One shout.. one name call.. one No! and it takes
awhile to work up to the positive only.

 >  So I gently pick him up and lay him back down.

try not to.. but if you have to ok

  > And we repeat the process over 10000 times.

when he goes to sit up.. when yous see the thought on his
face.. distract with sound and follow with praise or a song or
giggle.

  > Then I get frustrated and lay him down less gently.

better than my method of plop em in the crib and let em cry.
No anger.. stay calm.. meditate, pray.. breath..  try to
remember they will not always be this small.. and youll never,
ever for anything get it back. it's what im using

  > That makes him cry, which is the last straw that
  > FINALLY gets him to nurse to sleep.

He got you riled up.. what he wanted.. time to sleep.

 > Writing it out, I thought of something.  He must have a
 > lot of excess tension he needs to release before sleeping,
 > and finally crying releases it for him.

 no way... crying isn't a release.. sometimes.. maybe for
 some people.. crying is frustration, pain, hunger,
 sadness... sometimes joy.. sometimes tension.. but not
 because of his life.. because he's insecure... their dealing
 with negative and positive.. and thats what makes em
 insecure.

 > Any good ways to do this that don't involve crying?

distraction and praise.. if all else fails get up and dance..
fast for day.. slow rocking at night.

 > Turning on soft music and swaying in the sling used to
 > work for us, but now he either grabs at everything he can
 > reach or bends over backwards until he's hanging upside
 > down.

cuz he knows what you're doing.  hold him instead..
or sit him in your lap on the bed and rock

becuase it is forced control.

Amanda
            --------------------------

               SEE? SEE?? SEE???

       BWEEEEEEEAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!

NOT praising unwanted behaviors makes dogs GO INSANE <{};  ~ ) >

          Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
               We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                  And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

              "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
                    so utterly beyond value."

                    Like a confessor Priest?

          "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                    --John Galsworthy.

           Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                 Their behaviors reflect
          HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
          Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

     "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
                 as separate, not the wise.

       If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

            The level which is reached by wisdom
                      is attained
                through right action as well.

     He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

     "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
     indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

          What is the use of compulsion then?

           The love and hate which are aroused
         by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
                  do not yield to them.
              They only obstruct the path," -
                  - Bhagavad Gita,
           adapted by Krishna with permission
           from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
           Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
           Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~  )   >

You're a MENTAL PATIENT, REMEMBER, vera?

You MURDERED your last two dogs. REMEMBER, vera?

You and your MENTAL CASE PALS CAN'T POST HERE.

You're INSANE.

That's correct. NOT PRAISING THEM WILL DRIVE THEM INSANE <{): ~ ( >

SomeWON gotta GET TREATEMENT in a NUT HOWES <{): ~ ( >

Abuse / fear / aggression / hyperactivity / shyness / suicide
attempts AIN'T a chemical imbalance or genetic problem it's
a SPIRITUAL problem,  passed on from WON generatiHOWEN of
abuser to the next, like the 100th  monkey washin fruit in the
stream. After a while it's not just NORMAL, it's OBLIGATORY.

To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL of your parental teachins.

        The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
           Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
                       Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
              Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
           Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment,
               Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness,
       Aversion, Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion,
         Change, Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
                                And
            Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.
           YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.

        It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
           The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                          A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                            G-R-A-N-D
        Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

It's MENTAL CASES like YOU who got Misty's
DEAD DOG Peaches DEAD ON HER, vera:

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P  So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv..

at that time Jerry had his own troll,

*(THAT WAS YOU, mary beth)

somewhat like Candace, so the group was
not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30"  within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes,  I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda.  It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids.  I and my boys still miss her.  Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

                    ---------------

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
                           ---------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news

16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

                ---------------

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog
in our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

             --------------------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:12208-3BB67479-427@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

Hi Cathy!

Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person..

I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes
(not lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.

Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the
neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs.  An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.

I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped
down my throat.  Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.

The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.

Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry
treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.

I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break
will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.

Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started
applying Jerry's methods.  One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D

I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems
needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks.  I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.

If you want my phone number, e-mail me.  We would have to
set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.

~misty

                   =============

Here's the behavior of a NOT INSANE person, vera:

Subject: < BEFORE ->  "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
                     No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER ->  "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
           A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
           Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
           Dog Lovers.

          'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
          A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

handsome happy jackass morrison aka dogman aka tommy sorenson sez:

"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.  Yep, really lean into it.

Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.

Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.

If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.

When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee.  Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."

I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training.  That is, she just
needs *more* of it."

"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.

A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Okay.  Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters.  Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens

       At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
        dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
        *not* constitute a "beating."

         =====================

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood
enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante  dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey  (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

               ===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

First, I punish behavior, not dogs.

Second, I rarely issue corrections.

Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.

I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
such dog behavior offensive.

Eating dog poop, for me, is another story. And the rate
of that behavior has also diminished with time. :-)

--Marshall

                   ----------------------

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behavior marshall
dermer from UofWI PRYOR to gettin JERRYIZED:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.?),

    --Marshall

      Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
       Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
                    http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
       "Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

Subject:   Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING
                On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)

26 From:  Marshall Dermer -
Date:  Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email:   der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)

In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@posting.google.com>
mattburns...@yahoo.com (Matthew Burnside) writes:

Dear Matt:

Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.

My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.

--Marshall

PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
   posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
   is about Jerry.

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.

        *(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED  CASE}
         HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
         INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
         DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)

    Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
    Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
    Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201

             der...@uwm.edu   http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

  "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
              myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_

              YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                       BUSINESS.

Poop eatin is CAUSED by your ineffective inapupriate
miserable stinkin bribing crating and HOWEsbreakin
methods and can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.

LIKE THIS:

Here's FIVE cases of COPROPHAGIA CURED NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERYTHING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE these pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES PREFER:

         <SNIP CASE HISTORIES>

From: "GEORGE VONHILSHEINER" <DRV...@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Proposed article for Wikipedia
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:48:33 -0500

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the cognomen of a dog behaviorist,
Jerry Howe, of Orlando, Fl.  Howe's primary teaching is that
dogs deserve unconditional love, respect, and attention and
that by providing these emotional needs dogs will regulate
their own behavior.

Howe is bombastically antagonistic to rewarders, but he is
aggressively hostile to punishers - he refers antagonists
to B.F. Skinner, Mary Cover Jones, and J.B. Watson and
especially to Samuel A. Corson when they mistakenly annunciate
behavioral principles to support their use of punishment.

Punishment always deranges behavior, says Skinner,
Jones, Watson, Corson and Jerry Howe!

Howe developed a sonic device which calms dogs and has been
broadly tested in a wide range of different situations. The
present author is a Who's Who recognized psychologist who was
asked to evaluate Howe's device by a former student.

Howe provided the author with a device, without
charge, and said device worked as reported.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
drv...@earthlink.net
Then cross reference to Jerry Howe, etc.

               --------------

Jerry, the difficulty with these ignorant dog molesters
is that they cannot read.   Negative reinforcement is no
response by the trainer.

There is positive reinforcement, an action which is followed
by an increase in the targetted behavior (usually called
"reward" which is precisely and technically a misnomer),
negative reinforcement is the absence of any response.

Negative means 'No'.

Skinner's last book, "CUMULATIVE RECORD" reviews this thoroughly.
http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/nru/nr.html

Negative reinforcement is stopping an aversive reinforcement
according to this author.   Read it, they have a sense of humor!

There are four forms of systematic reinforcement:

do nothing (negative reinforcement)

reward the behavior (positive reinforcement)

punish the behavior (aversive reinforcement) after habituating
the subject to punishment,

stop punishing (relief of aversion, which is negative reinforcement).

Logically, failing to reward after habituating a reward
is also negative reinforcement.  Actually intermittent
rewards work better than consistent, invariable rewards,
so there is actually another two categories.  Invariable
reinforcement and random reinforcement (on varying schedules).

Punishment is AVERSIVE REINFORCEMENT.  Actions which cause
the animal being trained to avoid, avert, cringe away from. Pavlovians
always responded to American psychologist's inability to reproduce
Pavlov's results with dogs with the comment, "American's don't LOVE
their dogs".  If you ever observed a Russian psychologist working with
a dog, you'd instantly see the difference.  American psychologists were

wooden, robot-like, wanted to be "scientific".

This meant to them that they should display no affection,
or any other emotion with the subjects.

When a Pavlovian dog started to misbehave or fail to respond,
doggie was taken out of the equipment, and taken home for a
loving vacation, with much TLC.  Sam Corson, Pavlov's last
student, demonstrated the same relationships at Ohio State.

Interestingly the first page of results for Sam Corson,
dog behaviorist is loaded with Jerry Howe quoting Dr. Von.
heh heh heh

Dr. Von

Oh, by the way, you once had a pompous fellow say that
Dr. Von was a figment of your imagination.  I don't
normally mention this, but I have been listed in Who's
Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big books,
Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in Medicine
etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.

These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.

GvH

                ============

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent?,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ?to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

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From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?

Jen wrote:

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u.  Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids.  Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.  Dr. Von

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.

            ------------------

BlueMoon Wrote:

Hello MOCrab.

Well, I'd take your advice and go thru the killfile as you have
recommended below, but Jerry's system Is WORKING wonders
with these two puppies in a matter of days. He may be abusive
and short-tempered with some people out there because, quite
frankly, I think he cares more about the dogs that the owner's
feelings and feels so strongly about it, it's aggravating to have
"experts" discount his methods.

My husband just got back from taking these 15 week old pups
for a walk, who now respond remarkably well to the "Zena-Zoey-
sit-good-girl!" phrase now when only said once no matter where
they are.

They also  respond to the come here command. We trained them
(granted, out of order of the instructions) with the pennies in the
cans only two days ago to come to us when called. I've since
backtracked to do the exercises in the proper order.

They are calm and well-behaved and impress the Hell out of anyone who
sees them. "You're kidding, they're only 14 weeks old and they are THAT

well behaved?" Yessiree Bob, they are, and we've only had them for 12
days and have been training them (correctly  for 3 days.

We still have more training exercises to do, but why fix something if
it's not broken??>?? These dogs are happy, we don't have to yell at or
scold them, they are learning to be secure and to pay attention to us
for approval and not out of fear.

I can only assume some might be threatened by this manual's methods
because it goes against all human logic on how to train a dog. It
certainly didn't make any sense to me, but I thought what the heck,
try it (even tho I still have to remind myself what to do because
my previous limited experiences with dog training were SO
DIFFERENT to the point that I almost felt like I needed to take
my brain out of my head and put it back in backwards!!!.....).....

BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!

How in the world could someone just "make
something up" and it WORK?>??>?

My husband was very doubtful about this method when I told him
I wanted to try this. His dad was a vet, and certainly didn't use
these methods with the parade of dogs they had as kids.

But now even HE has to admit we're doing something right here,
as our stress and frustration levels have lowered and EVERYONE
is much happier around here, especially the dogs!

I really don't think people are used to the notion that you can
train a dog and it NOT be stressful or difficult. It's easy IF you
do it just like the manual says. It might be easier for some to
NOT do it now and go with the concept of control rather than
respect and understanding, because that's the way WE are used
to thinking and heaven forbid WE change OUR way of thinking
and admit we've done some counterproductive things in the past, right?

The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks volumes and
discounts what anyone tells me otherwise. This Wit's End manual is
now in a binder and we're sticking with it.

BlueMoon

                 ------------------

Subject :  The Wits end dog training method - THANK YOU!

Dear Jerry

I have just got to thank you so very much.

I had a gutful of the sadistic crap that gets dished out as
"dog training", I read a bunch of books that just seemed wrong
and then I started trawling the web and found it was worse -
bulletin boards full of people, advocates of pin-down techniques
and shock collars.

I just couldn't believe it. Some of the methods the so called
"professionals" were championing turned my stomach and in the
absence of a voice of reason many people seemed to be taking
the advice. Was this the only way to ever train my dog?

Many of the methods thankfully I never had the stomach to
even try, it all just seemed like constantly pushing against
a resisting force.

Then I stumbled across a post from the puppy wizard - it
was honestly like an epiphany for me. In an instant the
bullshit facade that holds together these peoples brand
of "logic" just crumble away, suddenly I saw very clearly
indeed.

I then read many of your posts and eventually
after some searching found the manual.

I read it and felt like a weight had been lifted.

Now me and my furry best friend have found our
path, one that we both seem very happy with.

We are both very much in debt to your kindness
and compassionate wisdom.

I think it was Gandhi who said that "you can be in a minority
of one, but the truth is still the truth".  These words seemed
so appropriate after finding your methods in a sea of countless
posts promoting repetitively violent and abusive training.

On top of that I felt a little of the pioneering spirit of the
internet, like someone had reached out across a great distance,
put a hand on my shoulder and said.."it's cool, just love your
dog, listen to him  ".

Thank You, over and over Thank You!  You have given me and a
young and very enthusiastic Border Collie a way to a much better
life together.

Long live the Puppy Wizard!

Cornwall UK

PS - Keep up the good work, keep telling it HOWE it really is.

              --------------------------

And when your head stops spinnin, The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard sincerely wishes you and yours happy,
heelthful days, FOREVER <{}; ~ ) >

         I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
                  Jerry Howe,
   The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                 A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                   G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

              HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU?