I really need some advice here... a little history...
Last Sunday (Jan 29th) late evening my buddy/son (Keko) began vomiting, I
wasn't too alarmed at first because he often licks his fur as most dogs do
which will on occasion make him hack-up. Over the following few days I
noticed he wasn't eating his food and late in the week he completely started
to act very lethargic and tired. I made an appointment for him with his vet
but he started to vomit again late in the evening so I rushed him to the
emergency. He was put on an IV with Reglan and antibiotics. His blood
tests revealed... ALKP = 3096 U/L; ALT = 3207 U/L; AST = 247 U/L; TBIL =
12.3 mg/dl. The next day the same type of tested showed significant
improvement ALKP = 1800 U/L; ALT = 1836 U/L; TBIL = 11.0 mg/dl. Yesterday
at his normal vet he showed even more signs of improvement... ALKP = 636
U/L; ALT = 640 U/L; TBIL = 11.0 mg/dl. While at the emergency room a biopsy
was done on his liver and were currently waiting for the results, which
should be Wednesday or Thursday for sure. During the week leading up to
going to the emergency room and while at the emergency room he was having
daily bowel movements which were normal.
He is currently taking Cephalexin 500mg 2 capsules twice a day;
Mentronidazole 500mg 1 1/2 tablets twice a day; and I've been giving him
Pepcid AC Original Strength 10mg 2 gelcaps twice a day to help with his
stomach.
Meanwhile, while waiting for the biopsy results, I have him at home now but
I'm having a real tough time to get him to eat. I've tried everything I can
think of...
Crushed his dry food so it's almost a powdery consistency
Tried wet canned food
Tried the two above mixed
Tried mixing the two above with beef broth
Tried every combination of the above
Tried plain boiled chicken breast
He will drink plenty of water and will drink a little plain unflavored
pedialite. He does hold this down. He is urinating fine and the
consistency is starting to thin out and lighten up.
I can tell he wants to eat, he puts his head in the bowl but then lifts it
out. It's almost as though he's afraid of vomiting again if he does eat.
What else can I do to try to get him to eat? Any suggestions will be
greatly appreciated...!
Thanks,
Anthony
Ebbtide - 06 Feb 2007 23:44 GMT
If he is hydrated which he is, I would not worry too much. We think
people/dogs/etc. need to eat to recover, which we don't. Let him lay off
the food, he will know when he is ready.
I think you are doing a fine job w/ him. He also has a lot of meds/drugs in
is system. Give him support and love, water and then when he is ready to
eat, he will. He will not die of starvation. (my 2 cents worth.)
Perhaps he ate something in the garden or outside to make him ill? His labs
values will indicate this.
>I really need some advice here... a little history...
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> Anthony
AJM - 07 Feb 2007 04:49 GMT
Thank you,
I just got off the phone with the emergency clinic, they received the biopsy
results; Keko has Cholangial Hepatitis (CH). I will be talking with his
regular vet first thing tomorrow morning. I was told we'll need to put Keko
on a strict liver diet, as well as meds from here on out. I'm on the net
right now searching for as much as I can find regarding CH.
Thanks again,
Anthony
> If he is hydrated which he is, I would not worry too much. We think
> people/dogs/etc. need to eat to recover, which we don't. Let him lay off
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diddy - 07 Feb 2007 11:37 GMT
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> Anthony
The bland diet of boiled beef and rice often works.
Does he like yogurt?
Hope he feels better soon.
margaret
buglady - 07 Feb 2007 15:19 GMT
> He is currently taking Cephalexin 500mg 2 capsules twice a day;
> Mentronidazole 500mg 1 1/2 tablets twice a day; and I've been giving him
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> What else can I do to try to get him to eat? Any suggestions will be
> greatly appreciated...!
.......I've had Hepatitis B from drinking contaminated water. You really
don't feel like eating much! I'd think about getting him B12 shots. He'll
have to be on a liver diet. In the meantime try small frequent meals. Boil
that chicken breast to death, skim off the fat and give the broth only. The
drugs may also be affecting his appetite. You could try feeding in the AM
before giving pills.
From your other post:
>I just got off the phone with the emergency clinic, they received the
biopsy
>results; Keko has Cholangial Hepatitis (CH).
This is for chronic hep, but you might find the discussion interesting.
http://www.vet.utk.edu/continuing_ed/05decCE/denovo.pdf
Everything about any liver disease: http://www.lbah.com/liver.htm
As you indicated there's not much on Cholangiohepatitis in dogs, mostly
cats.
http://www.vetinfo.com/cchohep.html#Cholangitis%20or%20Cholagiohepatitis%20i
n%206%20year%20old
*Cholangitis is inflammation of the bile ducts, primarily. Cholangioheptatis
is inflammation of the bile ducts and liver. I think that the results of
your cat's tests probably indicate cholangiohepatitis.
Suppurative cholangiohepatitis is diagnosed by the prevalence of neutrophils
among the white blood cells present in the biopsy. Neutrophils are present
when there are bacterial, viral or parasitic causes, usually.
The bacterial infection is best diagnosed by culturing the bile or culturing
the liver during biopsy (or a biopsy specimen after biopsy but this means
taking more than one sample). In all honesty I think that obtaining and
interpreting cultures is daunting enough that many vets won't try, but I
could be wrong about that. I know that I don't do it very often.
So I use the antibiotics most likely to be effective in a liver infection,
which are usually considered to be amoxicillin/clavulanic acid combinations
(Clavamox Rx), cephalosporins (Keflex Rx), fluoroquinolones (Baytril Rx,
Orbax Rx) and metronidazole (Flagyl Rx). Metronidazole only works for
anerobic infections. Many vets use metronidazole in combination with
amoxicillin or fluoroquinolones to try to cover the possibility of both
aeorobic and anerobic infections. Other antibiotics may be deemed better
based on culture and sensitivity results and aminoglycosides, which have
more toxic side effects than most antibiotics, can be used when the
situation warrants it.*
.......Has the dog been tested for Leptospirosis? This test can take a while
to get back. I'd discuss the possibility with the vet. There's specific
antibiotics needed in this situation.
http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/noel/
.........Did they say anything about CAH - viral hepatitis?
.....Denosyl may be a good supplement to protect the liver.
http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/veterinary/denosyl.htm
........the liver is one organism that can repair itself if given a chance.
Hope things improve for your pup.
buglady
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