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Pet Forum / Miscellaneous / Animal Health / March 2007Pet food poison found
http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/03/23/pet-food-recall-source-of-poiso n-found/ ABC News has learned that investigators have determined that a rodent-killing chemical is the toxin in the tainted pet food that has killed several animals. A source close to the investigation tells ABC News that the rodenticide, which the source says is illegal to use in the United States, was on wheat that was imported from China and used by Menu Foods in nearly 100 brands of dog and cat food. A news conference is scheduled for this afternoon by experts in Albany, N.Y., where scientists at the state’s food laboratory made the discovery a week after a massive recall of 60 million cans and pouches was issued. The chemical is aminopterin. What investigators can’t say so far is whether this is the only contaminant in all of the recalled food. buglady take out the dog before replying Info on aminopterin. http://tinyurl.com/33hbs6 http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/137/2/167 All tox studies are old and not available online. buglady take out the dog before replying > http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/03/23/pet-food-recall-source-of- > poiso n-found/ > > ABC News has learned that investigators have determined that a > rodent-killing chemical is the toxin in the tainted pet food that has > killed several animals. A question that comes to mind is why (or IF) the poison was in ingredients ONLY uised in pouches and canned food, or if it did make its way into kibble as well. That's still a HUGE concern for me. Tara > A question that comes to mind is why (or IF) the poison was in ingredients > ONLY uised in pouches and canned food, or if it did make its way into > kibble as well. That's still a HUGE concern for me. ........I don't know if they imported the wheat gluten or just wheat from China. Or if there's any wheat gluten in dry food. Any on your bag? My impression is they used the gluten to make the gravy, but I ain't too sure. buglady take out the dog before replying >> A question that comes to mind is why (or IF) the poison was in >> ingredients ONLY uised in pouches and canned food, or if it did make [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bag? My impression is they used the gluten to make the gravy, but I > ain't too sure. Good point. I feed Annie Natural Choice Lamb and Rice because its the easiest to use as treats, and because she really really likes it. A nice side benefit for me at the moment is that its totally wheat free. However, I notice that it *does* contain rice gluten. Is it a stretch to assume that other food that contain wheat would also contain wheat gluten? I think I'll google a bit to find out. Tara Is it a stretch to assume that > other food that contain wheat would also contain wheat gluten? I think I'll > google a bit to find out. Legally I think they have to list it as a separate item on the bag. I did some searching yesterday on exactly what wheat gluten was - it's wheat protein also called vital wheat gluten. There's 2 other processed wheat products but only vital wheat gluten is called just plain wheat gluten. buglady take out the dog before replying > Is it a stretch to assume that >> other food that contain wheat would also contain wheat gluten? I think [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying I was wondering the labeling, too. It may be naive of me but it seems if wheat gluten has to be labeled separately, you could just read the label on the can to see if the food in question is okay. > I was wondering the labeling, too. It may be naive of me but it seems if > wheat gluten has to be labeled separately, you could just read the label on > the can to see if the food in question is okay. ....well all that would tell you is if wheat gluten was used. Apparently this was a product bought from China through a 3rd party. So if it was wheat and not a processed wheat product, all bets are off, unless no wheat at all in the food. http://www.howl911.com/ buglady take out the dog before replying .........didn't see the news conference, but Cornell said they only tested finished product, so can't tell what was contaminated, but aminoptern was confirmed. http://www.nbc5.com/news/11346835/detail.html Earlier, ABC News reported that the chemical was on wheat imported from China. However, at the news conference Commissioner Patrick Hooker and Donald Smith, dean of veterinary medicine at Cornell University, said that they could not confirm the source of the contamination. Hooker also said that the toxin is not registered for legal use in the U.S. for rodent control. buglady take out the dog before replying And more.......... http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2976856&page=1 Wheat gluten was the only ingredient changed in all it's plants. And I think the head vet in MA should have spent 10 minutes Googling before opening her mouth. Menu Foods reponds and says not much: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070323.wpetrecallstatem nt0323/BNStory/Front FOX stations have video feeds. buglady take out the dog before replying Who's the Massachusetts vet lady? I can't find what she said.  SignatureYours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com > > And more.......... http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2976856&page=1 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying > Who's the Massachusetts vet lady? I can't find what she said. ......She the head vet for MA. She said most rat poisons don't work this way - but she was unfamiliar with this drug. IOW she cast doubt on whether this drug would cause kidney failure or not. No reason she should know about it as it's banned in US, but a short Google excursion shows you it's nephrotoxic. Please quote what you referring to when you answer. buglady take out the dog before replying I was wondering about that. We know that the company says it was most likely the wheat gluten, we know that "sources" told ABC News that it came from China, we know that Buglady says that the wheat gluten was purchased from China through a third party, and we know that the rat poison that is banned in the United States was found in the food. Maybe more information is actually known. I don't know exactly what sources told ABC News came from China, nor what specifically it is Buglady read, which was more than the ABC News articel that says nothing about a third party being involved in the purchase of the wheat gluten. From what we know so far, this does not prove the wheat gluten is the source of the poison. What do you think are the odds that Menu Food gets more than one cheap disgusting product at bottom basement prices from China? It is certainly unlikely that rat poison that can cause the problems that have occurred is in the food and there is also another poison that really caused the problems - even though China these days is a toxic stew of contaminated everything. SignatureYours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com > > .........didn't see the news conference, but Cornell said they only tested [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying Buglady: I've followed teh link and ended up back at the abc news article, which I myself have distributed to a few places today. Where did you learn that the wheat gluten was purchased through a third party? SignatureYours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com > >> I was wondering the labeling, too. It may be naive of me but it seems if [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying > Where did you learn that the wheat gluten was purchased through a third > party? .........don't remember, spent all day yesterday searching and reading. I think it was in info leaked to ABC that didn't make their official stories. 3rd party just means they bought it through a broker http://www.howl911.com/ has all the latest news and links to other sites covering the story in depth. Apparently the recall has been expanded to all the affected foods no matter what the production dates as there are still some stores which had not removed them from the shelves. buglady take out the dog before replying > ........I don't know if they imported the wheat gluten or just wheat from > China. Or if there's any wheat gluten in dry food. Any on your bag? My > impression is they used the gluten to make the gravy, but I ain't too sure. Purina One have a great website. I wished human food companies took such care with their product information. http://www.purinaone.com/products_tool.asp You can select an specific ingredient from the left column. It tells you what it contributes (Protein, Essential Amino Acids) and the benefits (support muscle development, healthy immunie system). Also has a list of icons for parts of the body it benefits such as bones & joints, teeth, vision, immune system etc). Then under the icons you can find all the products that contain the ingredient. Glad to say that my puppy (15 year old puppy) doesn't eat food that contains wheat gluten. :) Regards Nigel I couldn't resist this. "What it contributes Protein Essential amino acids Benefits of wheat gluten -Supports muscle development and maintenance -Helps support a healthy immune system -Keeps mice away from pet's quarters -Destroys the kidneys" Alright, maybe not quite all of that was there. Still, it's perfectly comical. Wheat gluten does nothing at all that is useful. It's just cheap (Chinese) filler. SignatureYours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com >> ........I don't know if they imported the wheat gluten or just wheat from >> China. Or if there's any wheat gluten in dry food. Any on your bag? My [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Regards > Nigel "Chinee Rat Poison From Hell?" "Gott Im Himmel!" This is Rampant Multi-nationalism Gone Rabid? As if there wasn't enough wheat grown on the continent of North America??? I just dunno ... Just checked ingredients on 40 lb (DRY) Nutro Nat. Choice Lamb and Rice. No mention of "wheat". They ain't got my better half (yet)! Puddin' >> A question that comes to mind is why (or IF) the poison was in ingredients >> ONLY uised in pouches and canned food, or if it did make its way into [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >buglady >take out the dog before replying Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim. - Bertrand Russell > ........I don't know if they imported the wheat gluten or just wheat from > China. Or if there's any wheat gluten in dry food. Any on your bag? My > impression is they used the gluten to make the gravy, but I ain't too > sure. None listed on our Hills dry food. Boy, we've been busy. >> ........I don't know if they imported the wheat gluten or just wheat from >> China. Or if there's any wheat gluten in dry food. Any on your bag? My [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Boy, we've been busy. Have you had any actual cases or has it mainly been concerned pet owners? <snip> > Have you had any actual cases or has it mainly been concerned pet owners? This is a cut/paste from an email I recieved on Monday from a friend of mine who is a vet at her own clinic in the Columbus, Ohio area: "I have had one cat who was fed exclusively Special Kitty succumb to acute renal failure two weeks ago and a dog who is in renal failure (SC fluids 3 times a week) who has had exposure. We are testing renal values on several tomorrow to rule out any problems....." I have not heard back from her about the ones she tested on Tuesday. Sue and Atty > Have you had any actual cases or has it mainly been concerned pet owners? The phones are busy, that's for sure. I've had to schedule extra staff with OT to make sure phones are answered timely without disturbing the routine of the daily staff and clients they are handling. We're running more blood work. At this point, without having spoken to 2 of the docs today, I know for sure we have two patients with kidney involvement who ate the food. Because of the food? Can't tell at this point, one is very old anyway. The case that stays on one of our doc's mind is a 2 year old cat last month that died from kidney failure, but he ate the dry version not the moist. Again, there are other possibilities. However, the AVMA has advised veterinarians that renal failure could come quickly within days of ingestion, to maybe over weeks. So this is something that we'll be on top of for a while. Right know the staff is being kept extra busy scheduling exams and blood work, checking on diets and keeping us sane! I don't specifically know, but it was probably teh gluten. Most wheat gluten is imported from abroad; mostly Europe and China. It makes little sense for the company to have imported wheat from abroad and made gluten. SignatureYours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com > >> A question that comes to mind is why (or IF) the poison was in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying > >http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/03/23/pet-food-recall-source-of- > > poiso n-found/ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tara Well, doesn't that beat all. Y'all were defending your expensive dog food at better nutritionally, but gee, it appears it all comes out of the same mixer.....everything from discounted brands to Iams to Eukenuba and Hills, all no doubt trying to justify their higher price. My idea of adding an eggs to the cheap stuff which y'all jumped on as silly, doesn't look so silly now. BTW, my border collie is doing great on her Walmart extra-cheap Ol' Roy DRY food with an egg yolk and water added. It isn't just dog food. You recall (no pun intended) that the peanut butter recall involved the Walmart supercheap stuff AND SKIPPY which costs much more. I agree some generics are inferior, but some of it is exactly the same stuff you pay much more for under another proprietory name. Remember Perier Water?? Remember you heard it here...more money does not necessarily mean better. dkw >My idea of adding an eggs to the cheap stuff which y'all jumped on as >silly, doesn't look so silly now. Of course it does. Well, unless what you're trying to optimize for is low cost rather than good nutrition. And it does indeed appear that you're not particularly concerned about nutrition. SignatureMelinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore@panix.com If you can't say it clearly, you don't understand it yourself -- John Searle > My idea of adding an eggs to the cheap stuff which y'all jumped on as > silly, doesn't look so silly now. Weren't you trying to justify feeding your dog an enormous amount of eggs (far more than even your vet suggested)? I don't see how your bad decisions are made any better by other people's dogs dying. But if gleefully dancing around boasting after other people's dogs have died is what you need to do to make your bad feeding decisions seem less stupid then by all means, have at it. Tara "dkw12002@yahoo.com" <dkw12002@yahoo.com> said in rec.pets.dogs.health: > Well, doesn't that beat all. Y'all were defending your > expensive dog food at better nutritionally, but gee, it > appears it all comes out of the same mixer..... The only thing crasser than using dead and dying dogs to make your point is to use dead and dying dogs to incorrectly make your point. a.s. Signature--Matt. Rocky's a Dog. > "dkw12...@yahoo.com" <dkw12...@yahoo.com> said in > rec.pets.dogs.health: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. You guys forgot to "walk the dog" before responding. Hahaha. dkw Here's some real eye-opening reading about this whole mess, and who's really responsible for it. Drudge Report Rat Poison In Chinese Wheat Killed Pets Powerful comments in this article...whewh! http://www.drudge.com/news/92502/rat-poison-chinese-wheat-killed-pets This one's downright alarming, especially for the Chinese at the moment. We could be next. Pet food as biosecurity early warning for China http://synthesist.blogspot.com/2007/03/pet-food-as-early-biosecurity-warning.html > Well, doesn't that beat all. Y'all were defending your expensive dog > food at better nutritionally, but gee, it appears it all comes out of > the same mixer.....everything from discounted brands to Iams to > Eukenuba and Hills, all no doubt trying to justify their higher price. Have you actually even taken a minute to think about what you're implying here? Think about it, just because one company may manufacture foods for multiple different companies doesn't mean that they make the same product for both. Dale |
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