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SM - 23 Mar 2007 21:33 GMT
My 4 year old dog has a large mass in her mouth close to her jawbone.  All
of her blood tests came back clean.  Can this mass still be cancer if her
blood tests are normal?
buglady - 23 Mar 2007 21:50 GMT
> My 4 year old dog has a large mass in her mouth close to her jawbone.  All
> of her blood tests came back clean.  Can this mass still be cancer if her
> blood tests are normal?

.......I think so.  Sometimes the Ca is elevated in the blood, but not
always.  Are you thinking of at least getting a biopsy?   Vet have anything
to say?  Mouth cancers aren't all that unusual.

buglady
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SM - 23 Mar 2007 22:43 GMT
>> My 4 year old dog has a large mass in her mouth close to her jawbone.
>> All
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> buglady
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Yes she will have a biopsy next Thursday at a huge Veterinary hospital
referred by my vet.  It has not gone to her lymph nodes around the area.  I
fear the worst.  Thursday is hard because it's so long to have to wait.  If
it's possible, she will have treatment for cancer if she can be saved.
Thanks so much for your reply.
buglady - 24 Mar 2007 00:20 GMT
> Yes she will have a biopsy next Thursday at a huge Veterinary hospital
> referred by my vet.  It has not gone to her lymph nodes around the area.  I
> fear the worst.  Thursday is hard because it's so long to have to wait.  If
> it's possible, she will have treatment for cancer if she can be saved.

.......In the meantime try Googling   oral cancer dog    and read everything
you can.  Some grow faster than others and I would imagine there might even
be benign tumors possible.  The more you read, the better you'll be able to
make choices later on down the line.  My guess is they'll try radiation if
it's cancerous.

good luck to you and your pup and please post back and let us know how it
goes.

buglady
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SM - 28 Mar 2007 21:58 GMT
>> Yes she will have a biopsy next Thursday at a huge Veterinary hospital
>> referred by my vet.  It has not gone to her lymph nodes around the area.
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> buglady
> take out the dog before repling

We go for the tests tomorrow, and the vet said it could be oral neoplasia.
I now have no hope as I know this is a terrible cancer.  I must face the
fact that I will lose my much beloved companion.
buglady - 29 Mar 2007 01:38 GMT
> We go for the tests tomorrow, and the vet said it could be oral neoplasia.
> I now have no hope as I know this is a terrible cancer.

........Neoplasia just means cancer.  Yes it COULD be cancer, but that
doesn't mean it is.  As if right this minute you know nothing!  What kind of
biopsy are they doing?  Is the tissue being sent to a histopathology lab?
Did you do any reading?  The way I look at it we at least owe our pets a bit
of time educating ourselves.  What you decide to do after that depends on
the tests, the health of the dog and how he feels,  etc.

http://www.avds-online.org/info/oraltumors.html
The oral cavity is a very common area for cancer to occur. In dogs there are
numerous benign growths, however in cats the incidence of non-malignant
tumors is rare. It is impossible to determine whether a lesion is benign or
malignant by simply looking at it.

http://www.histovet.com/PDFs/HIS_OralNeoplasia.pdf
http://antechdiagnostics.com/clients/antechNews/2004/feb04_01.htm
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00361.htm

Have they Xrayed the jaw?
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00073.htm
Radiographic examination of the affected jaw is mandatory.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Ab
stractPlus&list_uids=16677121&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Ab
stractPlus&list_uids=12725311&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Ab
stractPlus&list_uids=11930354&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.vetpracticenews.com/vpn/detail.aspx?aid=13408&cid=3927&category=

> I must face the
> fact that I will lose my much beloved companion.

Yes, we all have to face that sooner or later, but it won't have to be
tomorrow.  Buck up and get busy.  May you have many more happy days with
your critter.

buglady
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SM - 29 Mar 2007 15:51 GMT
>> We go for the tests tomorrow, and the vet said it could be oral
>> neoplasia.
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> buglady
> take out the dog before replying

Thank you for what you're said.  Yes all the x-rays have been done, and
today my husband is taking her to one of the finest veterinary hospitals in
the country (he has all her vet records with him.)  He's driving her there
now, and I talked to him and he's sobbing really bad.  We just tend to think
the worst.  In the past 6 months I was nearly killed in a car wreck, a
tornado destroyed our house, then our modular house that we moved to burned
down, and now this with my baby girl.  Plus also in this time, my husband
lost his dad to cancer, then 3 months later his uncle died of cancer too.
It's been so hard on us, we want to think positively, but it's so hard.
Thanks buglady, you were the angel I needed this morning.
buglady - 29 Mar 2007 17:18 GMT
He's driving her there
> now, and I talked to him and he's sobbing really bad.  We just tend to think
> the worst.  In the past 6 months I was nearly killed in a car wreck, a
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> It's been so hard on us, we want to think positively, but it's so hard.
> Thanks buglady, you were the angel I needed this morning.

......Oh cripes, you are REALLY beeing peed on right now.  ;-(  All of my
family died of cancer, had 3 pets with cancer and it was the very last one
that made me realize that I have no real control over what happens.  We can
do our best, but that doesn't mean a happy outcome.  It's not punishment,
it's just life.  Do your best.  Neither invest yourself in a good or a bad
outcome.  Get up every day and act like a dog - wag your tail, look forward
to breakfast and a good wee, sniff the wind, and don't let yesterday weigh
you down.

My heart goes out to you.  Keep us posted please.

buglady
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SM - 30 Mar 2007 18:48 GMT
> He's driving her there
>> now, and I talked to him and he's sobbing really bad.  We just tend to
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> buglady
> take out the dog before replying

You know, I've learned a valuable lesson from you writing this.  It wasn't
cancer, it was a canker sore!  I hugged the doctors and I know they thought
I was crazy because I was so happy.  They went over her and did cat scans,
but they did biopsy it just to make sure.  We will have the results in a
week.  I feel like G-d gave me a huge present that nobody else could give
me.  I've got my girl back and she's doing fine today.

Thanks buglady
from the heart
SM - 30 Mar 2007 18:55 GMT
>> He's driving her there
>>> now, and I talked to him and he's sobbing really bad.  We just tend to
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> Thanks buglady
> from the heart

My vet had it written down as oral cancer.  These are the records we took
with us.  I'm still in shock that he would tell us she has probable cancer
without being sure.  I don't know how long we will give our business to him.
buglady - 30 Mar 2007 20:29 GMT
> > You know, I've learned a valuable lesson from you writing this.  It wasn't
> > cancer, it was a canker sore!  I hugged the doctors and I know they
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> with us.  I'm still in shock that he would tell us she has probable cancer
> without being sure.  I don't know how long we will give our business to him.

........I wouldn't be too hard on him.  Look at the Antech link I gave you.
It has pix of stuff vets thought were cancer that weren't.  If you're not
sure, just get a second opinion.  Sometimes, though, especially when pets
are older, some vets really don't think much about treating.  One has to
beware this kind of thinking.  An old dog can look miserable and still have
something treatable.

I am VERY happy for you!

buglady
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SM - 30 Mar 2007 21:58 GMT
>> > You know, I've learned a valuable lesson from you writing this.  It
> wasn't
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> buglady
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Thank you so much for all you've done, and for the great advice.  If you
would like to see my pitbull, whose name is Diamond, go to
http://www.fotothing.com/
and click on sm2705.  You've been so nice to us, I thought we would show you
her pictures.

Thanks again,
Susan-Marie
 
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