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........how about some digestive enzymes and/or probiotics.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

HOWEDY dale you pathteic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case
and aspiring veterinary malpracticioner,

"Dale Atkin" <labrador1@ibycus.com> wrote in message news:f07t1k$qln
$1@news.ucalgary.ca...

It smells like INDIGESTION, dale.

You frequently suffer from indigestion, dale.

The animal is owned by a DOG ABUSIN MENTAL CASE, dale.

Dogs who got SENSITIVE STOMACHS
are usually VICTIMS of ABUSE, like
professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer's little
dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY
Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator, dale.

Naaaah?

PERHAPS THAT'S on accHOWENTA you ABUSE him, dale?

THAT AIN'T NORMAL, dale.

MOST of HOWER fellHOWE dog lovers
dogs GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, dale.

Well, seems you've FHOWEND your niche in life, eh, dale?

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAHAAA!!!

WELL La, Di, Da! You're keepin EXXXCELLENT company, dale!

Of curse NOT. IN FACT, dale's fixin to worm the
dog witHOWET doin a fecal on accHOWENTA
he don't wanna PAY the vet he's "working" for.

dale's a IMBECILE, like yourself, dra. deborah,
former Capt. deb, US Army Veterinary Malpracticioner <{}: ~ (  >

Probably smells a lot like these forums, eh, dra. deb?

Geez, dale. Perhaps your dog is SICK?

That's a WIZE idea, dale.

Well that's typical for folks of your intelligence level, dale.

That's QUEER, ain't it, dale?

Does anyWON LIMIT your water intake?

WHAT veterinary books recommend limitin your dog's water, dale?

Perhaps you should reconsider goin to veterinary school, eh, dale?
Oh, an bye the bye, perhaps you should consider suin the school
you're currently goin to for TAKIN ADVANTAGE of a RETARD?

Naaaah. Coprophagia is CAUSED by PUNISHIN a
dog for HOWEsbreakin problems or lockin dogs in
boxes small enough that they gotta lie in their own
sh.t when the ignorameHOWES won't let IT HOWET.

Oh, well THAT'S different. Eatin horse poop is FUN.
You can TRAIN your dog to not eat sh.t in just a couple
of moments if you know HOWE, dale.

Naah, horse poop smells REFRESHING... until it's EATEN.

THEN is SMELLS LIKE sh.t.

You mean when he's DIGESTING food, dale?

BWEEEAAAHAAHAAAHAAA!!!

You're both a couple of animal murderin FRAUDS.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behavior marshall
dermer from UofWI PRYOR to gettin JERRYIZED:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

    --Marshall

      Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
       Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
                    http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
       "Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

Subject:   Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE
                                           (Ninnyboy)

26 From:  Marshall Dermer -
Date:  Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email:   der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)

In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@posting.google.com>
mattburns...@yahoo.com (Matthew Burnside) writes:

Dear Matt:

Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.

My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.

--Marshall

PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
   posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
   is about Jerry.

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.

        *(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED  CASE}
         HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
         INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
         DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)

    Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
    Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
    Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201

             der...@uwm.edu   http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

  "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
              myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_

              YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                       BUSINESS.

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps

In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall

Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu>

"Oops!  I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.

At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, professor of ANAL-ytic behavior, UofWI.

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Update on Puppy Biting
Date: 1999/06/14

In article <37675817.19034...@news3.bga.c­om>
clayn@NO_JUNKdillonet.com
writes:

Distraction can be a BIG mistake! Why? Because if
your manipulation of the chew toy is reinforcing then
you are inadvertently reinforcing your dog for biting if
you follow his biting with activating the chew toy.

The standard way to curtail biting is to either "yelp
loudly," "clamp the dog's mouth shut with your hand,"
or "pick him up by the scruff of his neck" and say "no"
whenever he bites.

All of these are punishment procedures and
to work they must be put into place promptly,
within say .5 sec, after the bite.

Isolating the dog after a bite is another form
of punishment called time-out (from reinforcement
but it is hard to rapidly implement--within .5
sec of a bite.

If one of these procedures does not work, that is,
your dog behaves as if it were a game, then you
are not using an effective punisher/procedure.

Well, be patient.

You can, of course, use differential reinforcement
of other behavior to eliminate biting. If there is a
situation in which your dog often bites. then create
the situation and if your dog goes without biting for
1 sec. offer a reinforcer (click and treat if you use
a clicker).

Then gradually increase the time that your dog
must go without biting for the reinforcer to be
delivered. Eventually, your dog will not bite and
the other behaviors that you have been reinforcing
will be more frequent.

Another factor to consider is whether your dog
is getting sufficient exercise.

Mine will go "bonkers" if he has been exercise deprived.

Best wishes,

Marshall

                 =====================

First, I punish behavior, not dogs.

Second, I rarely issue corrections.

Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.

I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
such dog behavior offensive.

Eating dog poop, for me, is another story. And the rate
of that behavior has also diminished with time. :-)

--Marshall

Poop eatin is CAUSED by your ineffective inapupriate
miserable stinkin bribing crating and HOWEsbreakin
methods and can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.

LIKE THIS:

Here's FIVE cases of COPROPHAGIA CURED NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERYTHING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE these pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES PREFER:

From: lolajo...@webtv.net (lolajo...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: My greyhound becoming bully of dogpark,help?
Date: 2004-01-07 01:15:04 PST

What is wrong with "The Puppy Wizard"?

I know his posts are a little wacky but his sound
distraction technique has worked very well for me.
After using traditional training with mixed results,
I was able to stop my dog from jumping up, eating
poop, begging from the table and excessive barking
using his methods.

Lolajoker.

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Subject:        to Jerry Howe
From:           MArtog
Date:           Wed, Jan 17 2001 12:51 pm
Email:          MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>

Just wanted to say thanks. The method you told me
to stop my dog from eating my other Labs sh-t in
the backyard has worked well. She has also improved
greatly when off leash out in the woods.

She still sniffs (ofcourse), but I rarely need to stop
her from anything else. I've always been diligent about
watching her, and cleaning up the yard, but ya just
can't be there every second. And she is quick!

So, thanks again for the advice.

I feel more confident now when I turn my back.

And to all you folks going yea, sure, right.

THIS IS NOT A TROLL POST.

HE gave me advice. It worked. Plain and simple.

Nothing more, nothing less.

So Jerry, allthough I don't lurk here, I'm sure
you're still putting up with DogButt and his ilk.

So good keep up the good work!

Off course DogButt will read this, even thoe it doesn't
have his name on it. Cause he thinks he owns the group.

So to you DogButt.........Well,,,,never mind.

You're already a loser. I don't need to tell you that.

Please feel free to correct my spelling/grammer, etc.
Yes, goodbye, good riddance, blah blah blah.

Later.....
MArtog

      ----------------------------

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog eats poo!
Date: 2000-12-05 00:40:48 PST

I used sound distraction to stop my 2 dogs eating cow poo
during walkies. I posted here a while ago explaining how I
managed to control them from eating it but there were a lot
of sceptics.  If your interested I'll be glad to tell you
what worked for me, just let me know and I'll post a thread
on this NG.

Paul
             --------

From:           Paul B
Date:           Sat, Oct 21 2000 2:18 am
Email:          "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>

The sound distraction and praise method he uses is VERY effective,
I use those techniques on my dogs and the results are great.  From
teaching a dog to recall to preventing unwanted behaviours (sh.t
eating, eating the cats food, growling when taking a bone from a
dog, jumping up, even escaping from the property, any behaviour).

To say sound distraction and praise methods don't work is pure
ignorance.

I can understand you not liking Jerry and being pissed off with
the posts he submits but please keep things in context and don't
slam a technique just because you can't stand the person suggesting
using it.

Paul.

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From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.

You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

         -----------------------

From:           Paul
Date:           Wed, Dec 6 2000 12:00 am
Email:          "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>

I'm not exactly sure why Jerry is saying to ignore me, it's his
advice that I found was the most successful.  During walks in a
particular park the dogs would come across fresh cow pats and
munch away happily.

To stop this I'd set them up, I'd find a nice fresh cow turd and
stand next to it, when the dogs came over and saw it they would
start to munch, at the onset of this I'd chuck a throw chain near
the dog to distract it and praise straight away, the reason for
the praise is the dog stops eating as soon as it hears the distraction
so I'm praising that behaviour, the not eating.

I'd set them up again and repeat, but make the sound come from
a  different direction, maybe the first time chuck the chain to
the right of the dog, the next time to the left, then behind etc,
it's the randomness that is effective and always sincerely praise
immediately.

Now when I walk through the park they leave the turds alone,
they aren't interested in them anymore due to the distraction
training.  Don't let the dog know that you made the sound, the
sound just "occurs" this is important as it removes "you" out
of the problem.

Paul

                     --------------------

Subject:       Sweet Coprophagia

From: Lynn
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 10:01 pm
Email: roudyre...@yahoo.com (Lynn)

I hate to be in such agreement all the time, but am excited
about Coco the Rotti we have boarded here. Yes she made my
job easier (no poo to pick up) as at her home she eats poo
due to major anxiety and being punished with a stick for it.
She was living on it just about.

It was gross, and she is a beautiful dog.

I decided to change this. It has taken 6 days for HER to
get an appetite and I PICK up poo now. We have yard kennels
here, so it's hard to catch every dog doing everything. I
took all the pressure off her. SHE is using a dog house,
not cowering at her gate. SHE is breaking the habit of body
blocking me so I cannot leave her area. SHE is now playing
ike a normal doggie.

What did I do?  Not much. Just ask as the other's are doing,
and be patient. Not making a big deal out of behavior she is
used to being punished for.

I can snap a finger now to distract her, and say "Coco
back good girl"  I move into Hot and Cold on a bad day.
The owner just got done putting up a security door due
to her taking out the old one. The dog has quit blocking
me from getting in my door when out for play. My job is
getting easier, it's a pain to be rushed by a pack of
dogs all trying to come in.

Call the dogs puppets, they don't care!

Lynn

                --------------------------

From:           MArtog
Date:           Thurs, Jan 18 2001 7:51 am
Email:          MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>
In article <3A65FE5F.70D8D...@Rosenblatt.com>,

Jos...@Rosenblatt.com wrote:

Last reply/post from me just to explain to Joshua.
Then I'm outta here(yippee).

No I was not trying to TROLL. I wanted to post a
thank you to Jerry. That's it. Never said I didn't
want anyone else to read it. I did say that I knew
DogButt would read it even thoe it wasn't for him.
He thinks everything in here is his business.

So he had to post some childish response because he
can't help it. He is sooo predictable. He will read
this too and again post a childish response. If he
doesn't, it will show a strength of will that I don't
believe he has.

Not trying to be a rat or anything else. I clearly said
what I wanted to say about Jerry's help with my dog problem.

It is sad that this group is still so antagonistic all the time.

There is a lot of knowledge here, but it is rarely
disseminated in a kindly manner. Most newbies get
ran off in fairly short order, and go over to r.p.d.breeds
where people are much freindlier. Seems like most
posters in here have been around each other too long.

Some sort of internet cabin fever or something (IMHO).

Anyway, I won't be reading your's or DogButt's reply. So feel
free to go at each other's throats as usual,flame me and my
post, whatever.

Again, thanks Jerry and all of you have a nice day......
well except you DogButt!

Maybe Jerry can help you stop eating sh-t!

BYE!

            ----------------

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

                  ----------------

            I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
                     Jerry Howe,
     The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                     A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                       G-R-A-N-D
   Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

                HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >

Was thinking about this. The smell might be characterized as a dry blood
smell. Realized it will be more like 2 months  before I'd be dewoming him
after our trip to BC.

Got him some dewormer (Lopatol), and we'll see if he passes anything.

Dale

So why don't you take him to other vets for a second or third opinion?