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HOWEDY kezboobaby,

"kezboobaby" <keron.knight@btconnect.com> wrote in message news:
1177097689.520727.247960@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard has
just answered your question in detail in a pryor post to this
thread <{}: ~ ) >

That's EZ, kezboobaby. malinda *(as does EVERY
self proclaimed dog trainin EXXXPERT you're askin
for "advice") allHOWES her dogs to have MULTIPLE
CHOICE of STUFF to destroy at her HOWES <{}: ~ ) >

We'll go into malinda's REALITY presently, kezboobaby <{}'; ~ ) >

AS DOES malinda and her contemporaries, kezboobaby <{}: ~ ) >

Don't you frequently 'know EXXXACTLY what you
was doin', when you was DOIN sumpthin, kezboobaby?

Of curse you do.

Then HOWE COME would you EXXXPECT a dog WOULDN'T?

THAT "very sorry look" IS HOWE COME she destructively
chews what she steals, kezboobaby. Your dog is respondin
with FEAR of bein PUNISHED for DOIN SUMPTHIN
when you AIN'T LOOKIN just like HOWE you TAUGHT
her, kezboobaby:

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

There AIN'T NUTHIN FUNNY abHOWET destructive
chewin ESPECIALLY if your dog SWALLOWS what
he's chewed to HIDE THE EVIDENCE... kinda like
HOWE some of these EXXXPERTS set their informative
posts to EXXXPIRE in six days so's there won't be any
FORENSIC EVIDENCE left behind, kezboobaby <{}: ~ ) >

Yeah. Dogs DON'T LIKE bein laughed at, kezboobaby <{}: ~ ) >

Hey kezboobaby? Wanna have a LAUGH at malinda's REALITY?

Destructive chewin and stealin STUFF is CAUSED BY
the CON-TROLLER'S EFFORTS TO TRAIN dogs
NOT TO DO SUMPTHIN, as was EXXXPLAINED in
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
pryor post to this thread <{}: ~ ) >

                    ALL Critters Only Respond In
       PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
              INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
  To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

             You GET The Critter You TRAINED

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

         Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
              We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                 And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

       ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
                    CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

Fasten your seatbelt, kezboobaby, and P-L-E-A-S-E
keep your hands and feet inside the car till it comes
to a complete halt and the attendants release the gate.

From: William Stacy <wst...@obase.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:33:52 GMT
Subject: Jerry's advice

I'm back to comment on how I'm doing with
Jerry Howe's method of dog training.

1. It works

2. It requires careful reading and re-reading of his
instructions. I'm cutting and pasting appropriate
sections and making little crib sheets to help me do
it right.

3.  It might be easy to do for someone who's never
raised a dog or a kid.

4.  It's hard to do for someone who has (old habits die really hard).

5.  It does require perseverance, consistency and a remote
training place where you won't be laughed at (unless you're
thicker skinned than I am).

6.  Did I mention that it works?

BTW I disagree with some of his advice on nutrition and neutering.
I did my research and went ahead and had Emma spayed on Monday
(age 5 and 1/2 months old now).  She's doing great.  Not a drop of
spay incontinence yet. And she's still eating Hundenflocken puppy
chow.

Sure, I could probably create a well rounded diet for her, but
then she'd be eating better than I do, and I'm the alpha male.

It's too bad this group is so polarized (I guess that's kind of
normal for newsgroups), but I for one have learned a lot and
still am.

                    ----------------------------

HOWEDY malinda you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life long incurable mental case,

Subject: Re: bye for now

"Melinda Shore" <shore@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ep0ili$5us$1@panix3.panix.com...

From: Lynne unmonitored.em...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:20:57 -0600

INDEEDY! He's a DOCTOR, don't you know!

Probably abHOWET twenty five minutes to read The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
first reply to his original post, IF he's REAL SMART <{) ; ~ ) >

Maybe WON HOWER to read the rest of the ignorameHOWESE'S
replies to his post if he's a S-L-O-W L-E-A-R-N-E-R <{): ~ ) >

Well then, looks like he's passed DHOWEN the
full cup of knowledge, eh malinda <{): ~ ( >

Yeah. When he asked abHOWET his dog behavior problem
he got THE SAME kinda answers: "MY DOG GOT THE
SAME PROBLEM. Here's HOWE we been MANAGING it.
GOOD LUCK!."

And here's HOWE you been MANAGING the SAME
PROBLEM you got with your own dogs, malinda:

HOWEDY malinda you lyin dog abusing mental case,

Melinda Shore wrote:

Yeah. The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard came up with
the idea while trainin a MENTAL PATIENT who's dog was havin
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS problems.

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
GRAND Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
NON PHYSCIAL C-HOWENTER CONditioning aka The
Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizards'
Surrogate Toy Separation  AnXXXIHOWESNESS / Bed
Time Calming / Fear Of Thunder / Car Sickness / Submissive
Urination / Obsessive Compulsive Masturbation / Chronic
Urinary Tract / Bladder / Irritable BHOWEL / Spay Incontinence /
Obsessive Compulsive Marking / Self-Mutilation / Spraying /
Defecating / Vomiting / Garbage Bin Raiding / Coprophagia /
Kat Food Stealin / Bell / Siren HOWEling / WHINING / Barking /
Paw Licking / Fear Aggression / Overtime Working / Tail Whip
Syndrome Techniques are effective as prophylaxis for MOST
problems that may occur when a dog or child are left alone for
a while <{); ~ ) >

Of curse you can malinda you pathetic malignant lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward active acute chronic
life long incurable MENTAL CASE ignorameHOWES.

You've READ IT in DOZENS of CASE HISTORY
REPORTS from The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training
Method Manual Students from ALL OVER The WHOWEL
WILD WORLD which you call STUPIDLAND whom you
call SELFISH INCONSIDERATE DIMWITS and LIARS.

LIKE THIS.

Here's what you'll GET from these pathetic stinkin miserable
lyin animal murderin active acute chronic long term incurable
MENTAL CASES:

      From The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_
              Forensic_Sciences_ Research_Laboratory

Here sharon *(veterinary office manager, mrs. veterinary
malpracticioner, animal murderin FRAUD COWARD
and MENTAL CASE) SNIPPED the part where Robin
REPORTED CURING her 12 year old dog's SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS and
told her not to talk abHOWET
her 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS
here on The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE  WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums:

From:           Robin
Date:           Mon, Jun 13 2005 6:14 pm
Email:          Robin robin4...@yahoo.com

In article <11arv91h2lk8...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Sharon too" <requestmyaddyfi...@nospam.com> wrote:

Who are you to judge the group benefit of the content
of my posts, or to dictate if I may post it, to Jerry
or anyone else?

Robin.

                  -----------------

AND THEN she DONE IT AGAIN:

From:           Sharon too
Date:           Mon, Jun 13 2005 6:23 pm
Email:          "Sharon too" requestmyaddyfi...@nospam.com

<snipped>

Read the group. Google archives. By all means, if you are
seeking a professional opinion from this person you had
better check resources and references. Since he has tried
hundreds of times, if not more, over the years to insert
himself and his claims here at rec.pets.dogs.health, that
should be reference enough. Still want to follow his
convoluted advice?

Your risk.

As for judging the group, I was merely trying to give
you advice which was to take your questions to private
e-mail snce your request would get you nothing but
headaches from people who are constantly killfiling
Jerry, his new IDs and sockpuppets.

-Sharon
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Robin REPORTED she CURED her 12 year old
dog's FEAR OF THUNDER and SEPARATION
anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY INSANTLY.

DOGS DIE FROM THAT, sharon aka sharon too,
veterinary malpractice office manager, mrs. veterinary
malpracticioner, liar, animal murderin coward, active
acute chronic long term incurable mental case <{} ; ~ )  >

In another similar incident:

Subject: Separation Anxiety
2 From:  Sharon
Date:  Sun, Jun 25 2006 11:50 pm
Email:   "Sharon" <askformya...@nospamhotmail.com>
Groups:   rec.pets.dogs.health

Let me be the first:
<PLONK>

Fall in line, folks.

                 --------------------------

Here's a other MENTAL CASE

Thurs,Jun 16 2005 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two

HOWEDY malinda,

Melinda Shore wrote:

"Success!" is what Robin wrote, malinda.

Robin wrote that she CURED her 12 year old dogs
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY
INSTANTLY using her FREE COPY of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{);~ ) >

That so? Didn't you want to know HOWE she done it, malinda?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHH­AHAAAA!!!

Welcome to REALITY you miserable lying dog abusing mental case:

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 Jul 2005 13:13:04 -0700
Subject: Re: For Handsome Jack Morrison:
Collars - belated reply

Melinda Shore wrote:

?

But you have no desire to train your dogs not to
ruin your bedroom in your absence, obviously.

http://www.employees.org/~shore/trashedbedroom2.jpg

It's what the trained dogs of our friend Melinda
have done, when left alone at home.

Lucy.

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From: s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)
Date: 16 Jun 2005 15:28:08 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 16 2005 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two
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In article <1118949630.663617.203...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

<lucyaa...@claque.net> wrote:

Here's the deal, you miserable oxygen thief:  I'm not so
arrogant or so stupid (because it is a matter of stupidity)
to offer advice on something with which I have no first-
hand experience.  None of my dogs has ever suffered from
separation anxiety, and I suppose over there in Stupidland
where you and the Jerry cult live, that would mean that I'm
a far better trainer than you are.
--
    Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - s...@panix.com

Melinda Shore    View profile
 More options Jan 23 2006, 10:02 am

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
From: s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)
Date: 23 Jan 2006 09:02:53 -0500
Local: Mon, Jan 23 2006 10:02 am
Subject: Re: Arthritic Rott-Shep
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In article <D25Bf.509363$084.297226@attbi_s22>,
Robin Nuttall  <robi...@mchsi.com> wrote:

It depends.  In Stupidland, if someone is unresponsive to
thuggish hectoring it's because they have something to hide.
It's only out here in Grownupland where people have
conversations.  Do not expect the Gaub to play by the rules
of Grownupland.
--
    Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - s...@panix.com

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Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...

Yves,

I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time.
I just used it last evening while my husband and I went out
to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of a movie,
but at least the house wasn't chewed from end to end in the
meantime).

Yes, it really works.  :-)  So do the other
distraction/praise techniques described therein.

If you are interested in the manual, you will
probably want to begin the exercises as well.

Regards,
Lisa

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"nesskay" <ness...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1156529540.182250.183510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

It has been a couple of months since we have initiated Jerry Howe's
recommendations for resolving the separation anxiety in our 8 y.o.
chocolate lab.

We have seen remarkable results.

She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with
all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke with
Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her without
her barking in a high pitch incessantly.

I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair railing,
putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the bed so that she
could not get to the blind (again!). It would take about 10-15
minutes
of planning and moving things before we could leave.

Even with that, she would find something to destroy. We NOW
use the surrogate toy method and can go out, shop, go to dinner
or whatever, without any problems.

She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic.

I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now.

Another problem that we had with her was although she would
not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several
places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame this
on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so high that
she just had no control. Now, the only time that she has done
that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!!

Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation
anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want
to  speculate what could have happened with Amelia.

We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry.
We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog.

Your methods work. The others that we tried did not.

It is that simple!

Thank you, Thank you Thank you!
Nancy and Amelia

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Here's someMOORE "DEEPLY UNCOOL"
from malinda's CASE HISTORY:

Tues,Apr 19 2005 6:54
Subject: Re: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats
sighthounds & siberians  <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:

Not great!  I had been just closing off the upstairs bedroom
(a baby gate with the door fixed ajar about six inches keeps
the dogs out better than you'd expect), but the cats like to
hide in the wall of the linen closet (gotta love these old
houses!) when they're nervous and Crow and Eclipse tore
apart the linen closet to try to get to them.  That's when I
closed off the upstairs entirely.  They're also a bad
influence on Cinder, who started out thinking of the cats as
dinner but who had learned to live with them in peace until
her sisters arrived.  I think it's possible but, frankly,
improbable that they're eventually going to be safe with the
cats.

MALINDA.

              -------------

Subject: semi OT- water dish
From:  Melinda Shore

malinda wrote:

Well HOWE COME would she WANT to what with all
the other GOOD STUFF you provide for her to play with?

Like THAT for EXXXAMPLE. NHOWE THAT'S CREATIVITY.

You should encourage your dogs to do more play /
learnin / trainin activities. Dogs are like wet sponges,
don't you know!

HOWEver, The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard
can't think of ANYTHING MOORE DANGERHOWES
for a doggy to PLAY with, malinda. Perhaps you should
offer her an alternate?

Try TRADING UP for sumpthin of higher value. Perhaps
you can offer to let her make her own choice of say, ANY
TWO items from your bedroom in EXXXCHANGE?

Ahhh, yes, Pete. That's Laura's dog you was tellin
abHOWET HOWE to post through The Freakin
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums <{): ~ ) >

Perhaps she got it from your bedroom, malinda?:

http://www.employees.org/~shore/trashedbedroom2.jpg

You might wanna ask janet matty diddler or shelly
HOWE to manage and supervise your doggys so
they won't steal STUFF from your garbage?

diddler wrote:

"You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.

I think that should be expected of any breed,
and those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat":

"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.

a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.

I think he's never going to  be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.

Re: Tuck's SAR experience

"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns982D2E8C7C9D6danny@216.196.97.142...
I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
now two keys missing.

Ornery git

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From: diddy
(d...@nospam.diddy.net)
Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST

Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet ownership.

I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes,  Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.

I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.

To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny will
not look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees
himself and cowers hiding behind me for help.

I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs,
But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has never
been harmed by  any of the dogs. Danny is there all the
time, unsupervised, and has no interest in harming the cat.

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"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9839861A82FF6danny@216.196.97.142...

I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised (which
isn't often..  he usually is with me) Until the day that he quits
tearing apart  everything in sight when I leave the room.

A dog proof room doesn't work.

He's figured out door knobs. He's figured  out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers.  He's not
interested  in anything  left out in the open.

He's into treasure hunting, figuring  anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.

Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested

razor blades from bathroom drawers?  ...  Very cool stuff!

Mom really gets bent too!

nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for some time to come.

As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.

She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy, so a
crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.

Reka, no crate at no time,  She lost her crate when she was
5 months old.  Both Tuck, and reka hangout in  crates by choice.

Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out.  Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.

I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.

Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the  bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.

Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.

             --------------
diddy (d...@nospam.diddy.net)
Subject: Oh My God
Date: 2002-01-16 13:39:59 PST

Two nights ago, Reka started acting frantic about 11pm.
I let her out. It's coyote breeding season, and she is
fascinated by them. I assumed she wanted to go out and
listen to them howling. I brought her in, and she spent
the night franticly and desperately demanding to go out.

After about 4am, I finally put her in the barn, locked
securely in a horse stall for the night.

She came in by morning, and had a normal active, playful
day. Last night, at 11pm, She franticly DEMANDED to go
out. I let her out, and brought her in. At midnight, she
DEMANDED to be let out. I let her out, but I went out
to the barn and got a crate, and decided she could
spend the rest of the night in the crate. We were NOT
going to do a repeat of the previous night AGAIN.

At 3am, she whined so loudly, I then decided not to
allow her to set a precedence of this type of behavior.
So I took her crate out to the heated gun shop and
decided to let her act out her bad behavior in peace,
and send a message that her obnoxious behavior
was not going to be tolerated.

This morning at 6am, I went out, and she had vomited
(normal looking dog food) and defecated in her crate
(not normal for Reka, but then, She normally didn't
sleep in a crate, NEVER gets corrected (she never does
anything to GET corrected for) and was probably nerves
from the outside experience, plus reprimand and solitary
confinement.

I let her in the house while I cleaned the cage. Hoping
I had made my point. She acted healthy and normal, and
playful and chipper. But then I noticed a spot of blood on
the bathroom linoleum and in the bathtub. I was the last to
take a bath, so I knew REKA was the last in the tub.

That blood didnt come from me, so it HAD to come from
Reka. Thinking about her nearing the end of her heat cycle,
I still didnt think a lot about it. I thought her obnoxious
behavior the past couple nights WAS her heat cycle..
and corresponding coyote breeding season.

Then while feeding her breakfast, I saw the whole story.
She had blood (fresh) streaming from her RECTUM. UhOh.

I had her at the vets office this morning before he
opened. He just said her intestines were all bunched
up with huge air pockets.

Was there any chance that she ate strings of carpets? I
said, last Thursday we took a plastic tarp out of the yard
that we had over the grill to protect it from the weather
because she was chewing it. That would explain
EVERYTHING.

The  strings are binding and bunching up her intestines,
cutting her internally and tying her intestines in knots as
it works its way through.

Reka is in a very critical situation. She is going to
require extensive and expensive surgery that I cant
afford. I will manage.

Even with the surgery, her condition will be critical
for awhile. Scary thoughts. I would never have
treated her the way I did last night, if I had even a
clue that she was sick. I feel so badly.
--
diddy

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    BWEEEEEAAAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

"Shelly" <scouvrette@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns991692DA01457scouvretteyahoocom@207.115.17.102...

ceb <ceb4v@nospam.virginia.edu> wrote in
news:Xns99158DB0EDE38ceb4vvirginiaedu@128.143.2.66:

No solutions.  However, I will say that even the most perfectest
dog EVAR had a couple of bad days.  Once, he ate a chair.  And the
corner of a bookcase.  And a shoe.  In one day.  On his other bad
day, he ate a first edition Trixie Belden book.  I came home to
vintage confetti.

Harriet stories are plentiful, from her burying potatoes and sticks
in my bed, to her opening two large bags of shaved wood cat litter
on my (carpeted!) living room floor, and making herself a cozy nest
out of them.  There are probably other horrible things she's done,
but I've got traumatic amnesia.

After having had a dog who tore doors out of their frames, removed
woodwork, chewed aluminum blinds, broke windows, and screamed like
a banshee whenever I left the house (even when my roommate was
still home), everything else seems sort of tame by comparison.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

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Subject:  "Read any good books, lately?"
From:  Rocky
Date:  Tues, Apr 4 2000 12:00 am

Interesting.  In the past, Rocky has enjoyed the
classics, most notably a 150 year old leather-bound
edition of the "Count of Monte Cristo".

It was slow going at first, but once he
got into it he couldn't put it down.
--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

              ------------------

From: J1Boss (j1b...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: housebreaking in a multi level home
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2002-06-27 03:30:11 PST

and apparently pretty sneaky too - can't figure this one out still!

FYI - He ingested a mystery sock.
Hadn't done that in well over a year.

When he was a puppy we were very lucky - they went through or
came up. We've done "sock work" with him leaving them alone,
but mostly are pretty conscientious about not making them available.

The risk is obviously too high.  One of his littermates beat him to
the punch with the same surgery, and his great grandfather had this
habit until he died at age 12.

My MIL was visiting (sockless!) and since he wasn't with
me every waking moment as usual as a result, I can only
imagine that the sock presented itself somehow while she
was with him.

He was a very, very sick dog.  He had emergency surgery
on Monday, but was home by Tuesday - we lucked out that
the sock had advanced enough that they didn't need to
cut the bowel.

Once he was opened, they were able to manipulate the sock
out his rectum.  He thinks he's fine, so the leash is very
necessary! He's got about a foot of staples on his tummy,
and this was a very expensive sock!

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

      --------------------------------

FRANKLIN and JANET, ACT II

From: J1Boss (j1b...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: What can I do if I can't afford a behaviorist?

Date: 2002-06-27 05:20:30 PST

Yes indeed.  I crated Franklin when I had to leave yesterday.
He's post surgical and needs to be confined and rest/kept safe.
He is used to crates, has not problem with them and does not
"escape" (mesh crates, wire crates, etc - he takes them all in
stride, whether strange places or at home).

When I got home, both dogs greeted me at the door.  He had
managed to bend the clips on the end panel of his metal crate
(General Cage 204) and squeeze out the top/side of the end
panel that has the door.  The door was securely closed.

THAT was NOT a good thing to do with a foot of staples
in your tummy. He hadn't done it before - but he's not his
usual self obviously.

We won't be trying that again any time soon!

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

            --------------------

From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Free Feeding (Was Re: Repeating Commands)
Date: 2001-07-17 21:59:53 PST

dogstar...@aol.com (DogStar716) wrote in message

<news:20010717101836.26725.00004349@ng-mi1.aol.com>...

Not necessarily.  Remember that there is value added
to the treat by virtue of getting it from the handler as a
reward.

That's the reason I handfed Java for a week.

To add value to the food.

It isn't just another piece of kibble when it
comes from Mom as a reward.

Lynn K.

From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Kali gets her CDX!
Date: 2003-10-26 13:49:37 PST

"KrisHur" <kris_br...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<news:vpnufuisi9pve2@corp.supernews.com>...> THANKS!
You deserve it!  You have my empathy on the heeling
problem.  2 of 29 qualified in Open A & B this morning
at Sacramento - ring fouled overnight by conformation
people exercising their dogs.

A Borzoi vomited on the spot, a Rottie peed on it, and
almost every other dog (including Java) dropped their
nose to the spot and started tracking.

ARRRGH!

Lynn K.

                    ----------------------

You mean instead of just trainin them not to do it?

Welcome to REALITY you miserable lying dog abusing mental case:

Well then " but alas" your arse you filthy sweathog...
permit The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard to
REFRESH your memory. Robin ***REPORTED
CURING*** separation anXXXIHOWESNESS in
her 12 year old dog INSTANTLY.

LIKE THIS:

HOWEDY Robin,

Robin wrote:

Of curse. You GOT your 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANT SUCCESS on your first use of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation AnXXXIHOWESNESS /
Bed Time Calming / Fear Of Thunder / Submissive Urination /
Car Sickness Technique JUST LIKE HOWE all them other
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
whom HOWER DOG LOVERS call LIARS and their posts
FORGERIES <{); ~ ) >

INDEEDY.

As sharon too veterinary office manager and mrs veterinarian
sez "you might wanna take it to private email..."

Of curse not. Separation anXXXIHOWESNESS is CAUSED
BY MISHANDLING. HOWER method WILL NOT WORK
for these dog lovers, Robin, on accHOWENT of NUTHING
will over-come the RESULT of even occasional use of ANY
pain fear force intimidation bribery or avoidance method <{); ~ ) >

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method is a GESTALT. You CANNOT pick and
choose through what you LIKE and continue to rely on other
methods like JUST TELLIN THE DOG "NO!" on accHOWENT
of it INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS and MISTRUST <{);~ ) >

The alpha theory is INVALID.

She's comfortable...

Perhaps you're gettin a little OCD?

Is she not allHOWED in there? You could train
her not to go in there in just a couple of minutes.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs NEVER go
into Mrs. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's sewin
room, door or no door, they don't think of it.

Of curse not. THAT'S HOWE COME you DID
the Surrogate Toy Technique <{); ~ ) >

Time is irrelevent immaterial and inconsequential.
Unless you're gone long enough to EXXXCEED her
needs for a break, food, water, etc, physical needs.

HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has been training puppys
withHOWET EVER being crated for over forty years
and they WORK protecting their HOWESES by six months
of age.

Most EVERY THING the EXXXPERTS tell us abHOWET
dogs IS DEAD WRONG, as you've just PROVEN for yourself.

Although dogs are creatures of habit, it won't
matter when you're gone. Dogs habituate themselves
to routines EZ. THAT'S HOWE COME it's SO EZ to
HABITUATE or TRAIN them to ANY new routine.

Kinda JUST LIKE KIDS <{); ~ ) >

And THAT'S where we're goin NEXT, Robin, to PROVE
it's the same same for dogs as the same same for kids, usin
your own POSTED CASE HISTORY <{); ~ ) >

You might wanna do what The Amazing Puppy Wizard does.
HE asks HIS Mrs. to PINCH HIM. She won't. She's NOT
GONNA HURT HIM. So The Amazing Puppy Wizard comes here.

WELCOME!

             --------------

Or maybe you're LYIN JUST LIKE HOWE all them other 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER
the WHOWEL WILD WORLD who've REPORTED their 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE
on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES.

LIKE THIS:

From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.  I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now.  It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that.  Keep up the good work!

Hoku

               -------------

AND LIKE THIS:

Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi.

Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of  his business.
I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with
regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal
and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a
very open minded person, so I tried it.  Well, lo and behold-
the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.

Thank you Jerry!

             ----------------

AND LIKE THIS:

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Professional
Trainer, 33 Years Experience.

              -------------

              AND LIKE THIS:

"Jerome Bigge" <jbi...@novagate.net> wrote in message

news:v3ba0ucam1kr4moca4v7aaio1tv2b5kje3@4ax.com...

I've read over Jerry Howe's "Wit's End Dog Training Manual"
now several times. And while everyone will get something a
bit different from it, I found that his "hot & cold"
exercise (first part of manual) is in my opinion the "key"
to the entire thing.

Once you have taught your dog (puppy) to keep an "eye on
you", then the rest of its training (come, etc) becomes much
easier.

Additionally Jerry does point out "why" dogs do the things
that they do.  So even if you don't like Jerry's  posts, you
might like to download his manual (it's free, after all!)
and give it a look over.  You might learn something.

My Boston Terrier puppy would chew up the newspaper
until I used the techniques in Jerry Howe's manual to train
her not to do it.  Simple distraction and praise.

You may not agree with all he says, but the manual
is well worth reading even if you don't use all of it.

Jerome Bigge
NRA Life Member
Supporter of National Health Insurance
CompTIA A+ Certified Computer Technician
Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

                -------------------

   AND LIKE THIS:

Date: 1999/10/06
Subject: Re: Separation Anxiety

Well Jerry, I have to hand it to you.  It worked!

Our dog was very well behaved until I had to go on the
road for my work this summer.  I was gone twice for 10
long days each time.   Although there were still people
home, I am the "primary care-giver" to my dog, so he
became destructive (shoes, books, rugs, papers etc)

We have a crate, but I believe it is too small for him
now - he is a cross golden/gsd and when he sits or stands
he cannot hold his head up as the top is too low, so I
didn't want to crate him while I went to work for sometimes
8 hours.

Anyway, I decided to try your method with the toy.

I would find a toy, tell it to be good and place it in
his crate. After just 3 days, there was no more destruction
in the house - even when daughter or hubby forgot to put
their shoes away!  Now the toy stays in the crate all day,
and he even crawls in to be with the "good toy" when I leave.

He seems quite proud when we come home.

I have not tried the can thing - don't quite understand
that, so I think my dog may be confused too!

Marcie (Winslow's mom)

                   -----------------

                AND LIKE THIS:

From: "nicole" <>
To: "Jerald D. Howe"
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald,
Just wanted to tell you we read your manual
and have started working with the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a.k.a. "The Destroyer")
has already shown great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our
other (better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and not a thing
was touched when we got back!  We were both surpised
because Chloe isn't that interested in toys and was still
very uptight about us reaching for the door...anyway, it
seemed to work.  We both work all day today so we'll
see how that goes...

Regardless, we will be cool as cukes when we get home!  ;)

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance to get
through to her!  We're very excited about her progress
thus far...

Thank You!
Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!

         ----------------------------------

               LIKE THIS:

Subject: To Jerry
1 From:  MarilynRammell
Date:  Tues, Aug 3 1999 3:00 am
Email:   "MarilynRammell" <marilynramm...@hotmail.com>

Hello Jerry,

A client of mine asked to say a 'big thank you' to you.
They have a 8 month spaniel that they were about to get
rid of.

In fact they had put her into kennels for a few day while
they 'thought it through'.  They rang me the day before
they were due to collect her.

She had wrecked their home - everytime they left her she
destroyed something else.  The walls, the cabinets, the
carpets, table legs, chair legs, - anything and everything.

They collected her and brought her to me.  I gave them some
routine training exercises, and also I wrote out your advice
(I will say at this point that I was not sure about it at all,
and felt a little embarrassed - it was the advice about the
'toy dog that gets the praise for not making a mess'.

Anyway, this was 11 days ago and I heard nothing.  Yesterday
they turned up at the new Monday evening class.  They were
absolutely delighted.

They told me that after just one attempt, (your toy suggestion)
she 'stopped all the destruction'.  They were in tear of happiness
while telling me.

Thank you Jerry.
Respectfully,
Marilyn

            ----------------

From: Marilyn Rammell (marilynramm...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety (?) help needed!
Date: 1999/10/13

Hi Steve,

Just want to second Jerry's method for dealing with this -
I've suggested it to quite a few clients now and it's worked
'every' time.

It sounds a little 'amusing' I agree, but it really works.

Two of the occasions it's worked have been when the
owners were almost at the point of giving up (one had
actually put their dog into kennels for a few days so
that they could re-decorate the demolition done by the dog).

They rang me while the dog was still in kennels and were
not yet decided whether to collect the dog or not.

The very first time they tried Jerry's method, it worked.

Best of luck,
Marilyn Rammell

              =============
            AND LIKE THIS:

From: "LEE " <>
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Wits end training in England

HOWEDY Lee,

EXCELLENT!

Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.

Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY.  It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unforgiving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.

SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.

HOWETSTANDING!

             -------------

            AND LIKE THIS:

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

               -----------

             AND LIKE THIS:

From: "LESPERANCE/DEAKIN" <madea...@total.net>
Date: 1999/10/06
Subject: Re: Separation Anxiety

Well Jerry, I have to hand it to you.  It worked!

Our dog was very well behaved until I had to go on the
road for my work this summer.  I was gone twice for 10
long days each time.   Although there were still people
home, I am the "primary care-giver" to my dog, so he
became destructive (shoes, books, rugs, papers etc)

We have a crate, but I believe it is too small for him
now - he is a cross golden/gsd and when he sits or stands
he cannot hold his head up as the top is too low, so I
didn't want to crate him while I went to work for sometimes
8 hours.

Anyway, I decided to try your method with the toy.

I would find a toy, tell it to be good and place it in
his crate. After just 3 days, there was no more destruction
in the house - even when daughter or hubby forgot to put
their shoes away!  Now the toy stays in the crate all day,
and he even crawls in to be with the "good toy" when I leave.

He seems quite proud when we come home.

I have not tried the can thing - don't quite understand
that, so I think my dog may be confused too!

Marcie (Winslow's mom)

               ------------------

            AND LIKE THIS:

"Anthony Testa" <testa52> wrote in message

We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.
Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn
down, etc. The next day we put her in the crate
again. This time we came home to a nice 2' x 3'
hole in our carpet in the middle of the living room,
right down to the cement.

I told my wife that we cannot afford to keep this dog.
We should go out and get a puppy.

<SNIP>

First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started
doing exactly what he said to do in the manual.

Exactly as we did was was written, the results were
exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased
the DDR.

This is an amazing god send to us.

First of all, Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks
for that gesture) This has such and AMAZING effect.
This testimonial is kind of  winded so I will say this......

Jerry's product literally saved this dogs life.

Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The
dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry
told us the product works immediately and it did! She
does not bark at all during the day except when the
mailman drops mail into the slot on the door.

The manual for training works exactly as it says!

<SNIP>

Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
many people are so dang blind or ignorant.

You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
you my friend are a life saver!!!

Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
of your product, you have my number. We would galdly
talk to them.

Thank you very much for all your help.

God bless you...
Anthony & Linda Testa
Jacksonville, Florida

              ----------

             AND LIKE THIS:

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.

You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

         -----------------------

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound.  We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be  left home  alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better.  We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them.  Yes, there's alot of blame that we
have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these
problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

                 =============

            *****************************

THAT'S INSANE:

         "Is There A Science Of Behavior"
             Dr. George VonHilsiemer

  MIMICRY, PLAY, EXPLORATION AND THE NEED FOR DATA

Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY through
OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than by trial and
error with reinforcemet (Luchins,). Observers of
subjects making a first trial of a multiple choice
bolt head maze made fewer errors than the practiced
subjects in the second run, while subjects who have
been shocked for error on a first trial made more
errors than either (Rosenbaum & Hewitt, 1966).

Students will modify their beliefs more when rewarded
for the way in which they carried out arguing for a
disagreeable position (role reward), than when rewarded
for the content of the argument (Wallace, 1966).

             ======================

               University of Sydney
        Animal Welfare Science Essays 2004 -
    "The Effectiveness And Welfare Implications
          Of Current Dog Training Methods"
      By Evan Cariola - JERRYIZED <{) ; ~ ) >

McKinley, S. and Young, R.J. (2003), The efficacy of a model-rival
method when compared with operant conditioning for training domestic
dogs to perform a retrieval- selection task, Appl. Anim. Behav. Sci,
81:4, 357-365:

BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAHAAA!!! What the heel kinda IMBECILES
are we dealin with here abHOWETS??? Here we got EXXXPERTS
comparing methods which FAIL DISMALLY with other methods
which are obviHOWES or otherWIZE likeWIZE FAIL DISMALLY!!!

BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!

EVEN A CHILD UNDERSTANDS THAT!

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???

That's a bit of a stretch. The researchers fail to
understand the nature of the beast nor can they
divorce themselves from their own egos. We can
DISPROVE THAT THEORY with a couple of simple
EXXXPERIMENTS demonstrating ALLELOMIMETIC behavior,
NOT EGO GRATIFICATION as the motivating factors.

You want CUTE?:

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

From: michael <c...@dogtv.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:01:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Training with Wits End

Melinda Shore wrote:

You tell lies about Jerry every time you open your
fat mouth you stupid ugly despicable defamating c#@t
from heel.

You just said he has no dogs and that he's not a dog
trainer. Both massive defamatory lies, designed to
defame and discredit, you dumbfucking fugly fatass
ugly dumb f.cking c&#t from heel. What the f.ck planet
do you live on that you think you can get away with
this crap and then turn around and call somebody a
liar ???

You and your pals lie and slander every time you say
Jerry stole his methods and you lie every time you
talk about the "original sources" that you never
provide.

You tell lie upon lie upon lie until you suffocate in
your own bullshit. There's not a dog trainer alive with
a mOORe original and a mOORe unique and un"stolen"
methodogy than Jerry Howe.

It's not our fault that you can't get a date! Take your
lies and bitterness and poison somewhere else. YOu have
nothing to offer here but LIES, SLANDER, INNUENDO,
BITTERNESS, and SELF-HATE.

Jerry is a SAINT compared to you. At least he does
SOMETHING good for people.

You do nothing. You are wretched and despicable and
beneath the most lowly of contempt. You disgust me
utterly. As liars come, you're about the best that
Usenet has to offer. You have no shame and you have
no conscience.

Here's a newsgroup for you:
rec.old.bitter.lonely.jewish.B­­USH(as in
George)loving.lesbian.SUVdrivi­­ng.terrorist.supporters
go there Malinda, Queen of Snakes. Begone and trouble us
noMOORE

--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com

Here's REALITY malinda. You and your lyin dog abusing
punk thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable
mental case pals CAN'T POST HERE abHOWETS nodoGdameneDMOORE:

From:  Melinda Shore
Date:  Tues, May 9 2006 2:21 pm
Email:   s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)

In article <e3qldc$g4...@naig.caltech.edu>,
Ilja Friedel  <i...@clyde.caltech.edu> wrote:

Many, many years ago I used to take my (I thought)
well-behaved, well-trained dog out on the trail off-leash.
One evening as it was getting dark she saw a deer she wanted
to chase and took off.

As in gone.

So there we were, wandering around in the dark for several
hours trying to find a dog that could have run 20 or more
miles in the time it took to finally find her.

That was the end of off-leash hiking for us.

It doesn't even have to be an attack for
bad things to happen to your dog.
--
    Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - s...@panix.com
     Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

            ===========

        BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

From:  Melinda Shore
Date:  Fri, May 6 2005 9:08 am
Email:   s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)

[]
I realized that the new dog honeymoon period was over last
Thursday when Crow attacked Image and did enough damage to
require a visit to the vet (deep puncture wound on the left
foreleg).

Image is a stoic but this one left her crying.

Dog fights make me nauseous, and it turned out to be a
queasy weekend when Crow attacked Eclipse on Friday and
Cinder on Saturday.  I was feeling a little panicky,
wondering whether or not we'd be able to get the situation
in hand and prevent this from becoming a continuing problem,
and thinking about the logistics of keeping Crow separated
from the others when I'm not there.

Then I realized: 1) Crow had attacked each female exactly
once and hadn't attacked any of them again (or even raised a
lip), 2) she hadn't attacked any of the males, and 3)
several days had passed, not only without incident but with
everybody frolicking together as they had before.  Crow had
apparently decided where she wanted to be in the pack (on
top) and she had deliberately and methodically gone about
communicating her intentions, and it was settled quickly and
that was that.  I've never seen a dog do anything that looks
quite so organized, and while I was quite distressed while
it was going on I'm still kind of impressed at her
deliberateness.
--

               =========

Perhaps she learned THAT from YOU malinda? THAT'S
called ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR. THAT'S HOWE COME we
don't PUNISH and INTIMIDATE dogs for FEAR AGGRESSION.

         LIKE THIS:

From:  Melinda Shore
Date:  Sat, Dec 15 2001 10:51 am
Email:   s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)
In article <2tpS7.272$4O....@news1.bloor.is>,
Marie <m...@rogers.com> wrote:

I'd suggest that Beth should have some say in this.

Anyway, in my pack I do allow negotiation but I do not allow
fighting.  I also don't allow them to raid one another's
food.  Aside from the fact that I want to be able to keep an
eye on how each is doing, one is on a veterinary diet and
another receives medication on her food.  So, I crate feed
them.

It doesn't sound to me like you've got a problem.

I'd just keep them separate during meals, and if a fight
does break out I'd reprimand each and give both a timeout.
It takes two to fight.
--
    Melinda Shore - Software longa,

From:  Jerry Howe
Date:  Sat, Dec 15 2001 2:24 pm
Email:   "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>

So, you're gonna teach them not to fight by
reprimanding them both... BRILLIANT.

That's where allelomimetic behavior comes in...

Bye! j;~(

        --------------

Like a street magician's slight of hand, malinda?

That's sheer idiocy malinda.

That so? Perhaps that was on accHOWENTA shovin your thumb
in his butt singin "Girl From Ipanema" every time he attacked
WORKED, eh malinda?:

LIKE THIS:

"I'm also a fan of picking up the rear end of one of the
dogs, not only because it's a distraction (although if the
dog is really overwrought it simply won't notice at first -
another reason I have my doubts about the thumb-up-the-butt
technique) but also because the dog partially loses traction
and mobility.

I like to sing "The Girl From Ipanema" while I'm holding
onto a dog's hind end during a fight - it keeps my breathing
regular and helps me stay calm, plus it's just a really great
song." [That's my favorite.

  It seems to me that a situation in which injury is a highly
  possible outcome is one in which you ought to take extra
  care in providing responsible advice."

           -----------

The image of Melinda singing "The  Girl From Ipanema" while
holding a dog's rear end will always spring before my eyes
from now on, whenever I'll be thinking of what bliss being
a mainstream trainer must be]

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/a61c39..

You mean you'd hold off on the thumb up the butt
till maybe a MOORE intimiate moment, malinda?

From: dfrntdr...@aol.com (Leah)
Date: 04 Feb 2005 03:14:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Dog fight, dog bite, aaaiiiieeeeee

Stick your thumbs up their butts.  No, I'm serious.
I've never done it, but I hear it works a treat.  Gross
as it sounds, I'm going to try it if I ever need to.
--
Family Dog Trainer
"It's A Dog's Life"

       LIKE THIS:

From:  Melinda Shore
Date:  Fri, May 6 2005 2:26 pm
Email:   s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)

In article <rcan71lebvnqnbo7qiqvb6t2rjbtrcj...@4ax.com>,
sighthounds & siberians  <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:

Combination.  The other dogs really didn't fight back (I was
quite surprised that Image gave up, but she's 9 (holy cow -
how'd that happen?) and is slowing down a bit.

I did break up all the fights and after the last one
(Cinder) came down hard on Crow, pinning her to the
floor until she calmed down.

I really think that letting them do that would tend to make
things a lot worse and is more likely to lead to escalations.

You can get a decent read on the dogs without
letting them duke it out, in my experience.

Cinder has always been submissive but Image was very much
in charge, and that's clearly changed from what I've seen
around things like waiting to go in and out, who sits where
when we do group treats, and so on.

At any rate, any dominance displays much beyond
a head fake are not tolerated here.
--
    Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - s...@panix.com
     Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

                  -------------

Oh? You mean LIKE THIS?:

Tues,Apr 19 2005 6:54
Subject: Re: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats
sighthounds & siberians  <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:

Not great!  I had been just closing off the upstairs bedroom
(a baby gate with the door fixed ajar about six inches keeps
the dogs out better than you'd expect), but the cats like to
hide in the wall of the linen closet (gotta love these old
houses!) when they're nervous and Crow and Eclipse tore
apart the linen closet to try to get to them.

That's when I closed off the upstairs entirely.  They're
also a bad influence on Cinder, who started out thinking
of the cats as dinner but who had learned to live with
them in peace until her sisters arrived.

I think it's possible but, frankly, improbable that
they're eventually going to be safe with the cats. MALINDA.
--
              =========

<<In article <uvhovd6ct4i...@corp.supernews.com>, BethF
<d...@alaska.com> wrote:

Depends on the dogs, etc.  When I've been bitten breaking up
a dog fight I've been so angry that clearly the best thing
was for the dog and I to be in different spaces, so
effectively he was punished by isolation (which also kept
him away from the other dogs).  I also made a *lot* of noise
(yelling, cursing, etc.) and the dogs don't like that.  I'm
usually very, very quiet (yes, really). >>

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/0444b7...

<<The safest way to break up a fight is to throw water on them,
although they sometimes don't notice and it's not practical if
you're indoors.>> [Yeah, must be kinda wet and messy]

Like your "trainin methods", eh malinda?:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/a61c39...

<<This is actually one area where I found the Dunbar stuff
to be extremely helpful, even though he tended to focus on
aggression against strange dogs and Saber was having problems
with the other dogs in the house.  Dunbar gives objective
criteria for evaluating how serious the problem is.

Once I realized that the dogs really weren't trying to kill
each other I found the situation to be something I was more
able to deal with calmly, myself.>> [Now that's a relief!]

Naaah?

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/bd42f1...

<<One thing that I've found very helpful is to keep notes -
when the fight started, where they were, and what set it
off.  A log will be particularly useful if you decide to
seek professional help.>> [For the dog, or for the trainer?]

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/5ad625...

<<When my dogs hear one of my cats retching, all 4 of them run
over and stand in a circle around the cat waiting for him to
finish puking.  I think it's really cute but I've found that
there's a limited number of people who think so, too.>>
[Yeah, some people just don't have a sense of humor]

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.breeds/msg/df9c116a...

<<diddy  <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote:

I think the loser here is the person who asked about dog
fighting.

              -------------

HOWEDY malinda you miserable stinkin animal abusing mental case,

It's refreshing to see you and mary are as INCOMPETENT
ignorameHOWESES with horses as you are with your dogs.

You MURDERED your horse on accHOWENT of you're a ignorameHOWES:

                      Equusite.com
                   Navicular Problems

  "Navicular problems are not a disease, they are man-made."

Melinda Shore wrote:

Yeah, but when I moved back here after a few years in the
SF Bay Area I was pretty surprised by the difference in
frequency.

I'll bet!  Most of the lameness I've had to deal with myself
were pretty obvious - arthritis, navicular disease, etc.
The last horse I had was pretty much the last straw and
drove me out of horses - she was intermittently off with
what looked like neurological problems and we tried pretty
much everything to try to figure out what was going on but
kept coming up empty.  Eventually she went into one episode
that was so bad and so persistent that I ended up having her
euthanized.

                Navicular Problems
        WRITTEN BY: Cheryl Sutor   [October 7, 2002]

The most common cause of locomotor lameness in horses is
found in the navicular area of the horse's hoof. The "hows"
and "whys" of navicular problems are often written-off as
"un-known". I have decided to write this article to clear up
the confusion that is commonly spread about this problem,
which has grown to epidemic proportions.

I will define navicular problems, discuss how and why they
exist and give advice on preventing and treating these
problems in your horse.

The terms "Navicular Disease" or "Navicular Syndrome" are
often used to define navicular problems a horse may have.

However, neither of these terms should be used to define
navicular problems. Using the word "disease" has never
been justly defined when referring to navicular problems.

Navicular problems are not a disease, they are man-made.

The word "syndrome" is defined as: a commonly recurring
group of symptoms of unknown cause. The cause of navicular
problems IS known, and therefore, the word "syndrome" also
is not a correct identifier.

So, for the purpose of this article, I will use the term
"navicular problems" throughout.

Navicular problems are completely man-made through
improper trimming, short-term or long-term shoeing,
and/or inadequate natural environment throughout a
horse's life. This improper care can cause problems in
the navicular area of the hoof, not to mention a plethora
of problems within the entire horse.

          ---------------

From: Your Conscience Your Last Innocent Honest Question Answered
Date:           Thurs, Jun 16 2005 12:02 pm

HOWEDY diannes,

diannes wrote:

Nuthin of VALUE to lying dog abusing punk
thug coward active acute long term incurable
MENTAL CASES, like yourself, diannes.

Robin REPORTED CURING separation anXXXIHOWESNESS
in her 12 year old dog INSTANTLY, JUST LIKE HOWE
all them other 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD WORLD who
REPORT their 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT
SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS And HUMAN BEHAVIOR
RESEARCH LABORATORIES, diannes.

You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >

You mean, for REPORTING her 100% TOTAL INSTANT SUCCESS
CURING separation anXXXIHOWESNESS in a 12 year old dog,
diannes?

DOGS DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, diannes.

Oh, malinda was PLAYIN glue / rubber with Robin...

LIKE THIS:

From: s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)
Date: 14 Jun 2005 06:31:51 -0400

Subject: Re: Paging Puppy Wizard

Robin  <robin4...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Evidently Robin MISSED that class, diannes... LUCKY
THING you an malinda was settin in class like HOWE
you was SUPPOSED to be doin while The Amazing Puppy
Wizard was busy learnin HOWE to teach university
behavior professors HOWE to pupperly handle and train
ALL critters NEARLY INSTANTLY.

Maybe FASTER.

HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:

Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >

INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual and REPORTED her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS
RIGHT HERE on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >

You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >

Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin punk
thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >

            --------------

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

            -------------

 Abuse / fear / aggression / hyperactivity / shyness / suicide
 attempts AIN'T a chemical imbalance or genetic problem it's
 a SPIRITUAL problem, passed on from WON generatiHOWEN  of
 abuser to the next, like the 100th  monkey washin fruit in
 the stream. After a while it's not just NORMAL, it's OBLIGATORY.

  To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL of your parental teachins.

        The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
            Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
                      Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
           Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
         Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment,
            Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness,
        Aversion, Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion,
        Change, Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
                              And
           Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.

                 YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.

        It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
           The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                         A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                           G-R-A-N-D
        Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

    From: GEORGE VONHILSHEINER
    To: Jerry Howe
    Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:48 PM
    Subject: Proposed article for Wikipedia

    The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard is the cognomen of a
dog behaviorist, Jerry Howe, of Orlando, Fl.  Howe's primary
teaching is that dogs deserve unconditional love, respect,
and attention and that by providing these emotional needs
dogs will regulate their own behavior.

    Having been raised in a full service professional Great
Dane kennel, Howe's methods and philosophy are based on his
forty something years of specializing in temperament and behavior
problems and protection training of predominantely giant breed
working dogs for families, police, security, industry and crowd
control.

    Howe maintains he's never met a dog who cannot be rehabilitated
from any behavior problem nearly instantly, simpy by doing everything
exactly precisely opposite of how tradtional trainers and univeristy
trained veterinary ethologists teach.

     Howe is bombastically antagonistic to rewarders, but he is
aggressively hostile to punishers - he refers antagonists to Mary
Cover Jones (1), J.B. Watson (2), B.F. Skinner (3), and especially
to Samuel A. Corson (4) when they mistakenly annunciate behavioral
principles to support their use of punishment.  Punishment always
deranges behavior, says Skinner, Jones, Watson, Corson and Jerry Howe!

      Jerry, free of the influence of any psychology courses,
may be the most effective practical psychologist there is! His
intention is to bring his dog training methods, principles and
philosophies into practice in the human family, schools and
criminal justice system, and make it the very fabric of our
society. Perhaps in twenty years he'll announce his candidacy
for the Presidency of the United States?

Howe's credo:

                  ALL Critters Only Respond In
               PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                 INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
       To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                   Which We Create For Them.

                        A DOG Is A Dog;
                      As A KAT Is A KAT;
                    As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                    As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
                    As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                  As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
             As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

                You GET The Critter You TRAINED

             In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
            For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

Howe's philosophy:

          The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
                         Never Change,
                  Or They'd Not Be Scientific
                     And Could Not Obtain
         Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective, Safe Results
                For All Handler's And All Critters,
                       And ALL Behaviors
                 In ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES,
                  ALL OVER The Whole Wild World,
                       NEARLY INSTANTLY,
       As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Sincerely Incredibly
               Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
                           GRAND
         Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
         100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
                           FREE
    WWW Wits'End Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training Method Manual
                        <{} ; ~ )  >

Howe's proof:

    Howe developed a sonic device, "Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will
And
A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo And a Cow And A Horse And A Child Or Two
Did Too)", which calms all critters and has been broadly tested in a
wide range of different situations.

    Bibliography

    (1) Mary Cover Jones, by Rutherford, Alexandra, The Feminist
Psychologist

Newsletter of the Society for Psychology of Wome, Div 35 (APA), vol
27,
3, Summer 2000
    (2) John B. Watson, Psychology as the Behaviorist Views it,
(1913)

http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Watson/intro.htm
    (3) B.F. Skinner, Cumulative Record, Appleton-Century-Crofts,
1959, NY
    (4) Corson, Samual A. & Elisabeth O'Leary Corson,
Psychophysiological

Aspects of Reading & Learning, S.A. Corson, Rentel & Dunn eds., Gordon
& Breach Science Publications, (OPA)
    1985, Amsterdam, New York

   The present author is a Who's Who recognized psychologist who was
asked to evaluate Howe's device by a former student.  Howe provided
the author with a device, without charge, and said device was applied
to a series of habitual noisy barkers in a wide range of settings
along
the East Coast.  Every single dog improved its behavior and barked

significantly less during the trial period and remained silent after
the device was discontinued.

   Howe's flagrant disrespect for conventional "WIZEDUMB" and
disdain for the professional dog training industry and university
trained behaivorists who's only measure of success is the scent
and feeling of the almighty dollar compeled him to discontinue
commercial offering of his machine and instead, offer his training
manual for free, just to prove the method upon which it was devised:

                       <{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>
                <{#}: ~ } >               < { ~ :{@}>
          <{#}: ~ } >                           < { ~ :{@}>
    <{#}: ~ } > http://makeashorterlink.com/?K3AD21A3D < { ~ :{@}>
          <{#}: ~ } >                           < { ~ :{@}>
                <{#}: ~ } >               < { ~ :{@}>
                       <{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>

Be forewarned HOWEver, the manual is posted to the Usenet dog
behavior forums where, despite countless testimonials from all
over the world attesting to his free WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Student's simply amazing 100% consistent nearly
instant success, even after all other methods have dismally
failed and nearly brought them to murder their dogs, Howe's
student's successes has been met with extreme hostility, innane
ridicule and vulgar defamation. The "experts" call them liars,
paid shills and forgeries A.K.A. "sock puppetts", the only
defense the professional dog training industry and university
trained ethologists whom his student's reports have consistently,
thouroughly DISCREDITED, can offer.

They patently refuse to talk business with him and his students!

The reason? Howe sez it'd be professional suicide! And their
responses substantiate that claim. Howe doesn't just criticize
the industry, he names names and quotes the "big shots" in the
industry's own written words and cites their case histories of
dismal failure and "successes" garnered by abjectly lowering
their expectations, critteria and failiing that, avoidance.

It's so simple he says, "even a five year old child can do it,
with a little help from mommy to read the words". His tenant is
"these methods and principles are such that any child less than
the age of seven, instinctively KNOWS this stuff":

          Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
               We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                  And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

              "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
                    so utterly beyond value."

                    Like a confessor Priest?

          "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                    --John Galsworthy.

           Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                 Their behaviors reflect
          HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
          Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

     "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
                 as separate, not the wise.

       If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

            The level which is reached by wisdom
                      is attained
                through right action as well.

     He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

     "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
     indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

          What is the use of compulsion then?

           The love and hate which are aroused
         by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
                  do not yield to them.
              They only obstruct the path," -
                  - Bhagavad Gita,
           adapted by Krishna with permission
           from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
           Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
           Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~  )   >

 ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

        "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                   and you will know each other.
         If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
                and what you do not know you will fear.

                   What one fears, one destroys."
                      Chief Dan George

Subject: Re: Discipline
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:43:46 -0500
From: Amanda <ama...@dcfwatch.com>
To: "N

 On Wednesday 15 January 2003 01:54, "N wrote:

i responded in katie's mail.. youll get it before this one :)
i'm not the expert.. mr. howe is teaching me..  and im figuring
alot out.. plus its just coming to me.. two months ago i would
cry cuz i was soooo lost... and now i go ahead and live it...
like he gave me just enough for my brain to fill in the rest?

when i would swat in my early parent years.. up until i got
crunchy this last year.. i swore spanking was great.. a lil
bit of fear in yo' momma is what i would say.. and my family
supported me.. you can spank and not be abusive.

 then i felt guilty... not because i knew better, but becuase
 you guys and others did it wihtout spanking.. better than me...
 but i would still say i just have bad kids.. then i started
 feeling guilty..asked for help.. got some advice and it worked
 some.. but not much.. enough to make me think i did it.. then
 it wouldn't help..

then i heard him tell someone on the news group"
Do you think hitting babies is intelligent" and i was
like whoa.. now i feel like cockaroach and pray every
time i distract them that they can somehow grow up
not to hate me..

and i pray i caught myself in enough time.

          ------------------------

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
drv...@earthlink.net

P.S.   You're welcome to call him 24/7, he's almost always
       sitting as his desk "stark ravin nekkid" as he says
       and always answers with a cheerful "HOWEDY, this is
       Jerry" and you'll get  the information you need, for
       free or he swears he'll "GET THE HEEL HOWETA THIS
       BUSINESS".

        "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
                   may acquire those rights
        which never could have been withholden from them
                  but by the hand of tyranny.

              The question is not can they REASON,
                     nor can they TALK,
                   but can they SUFFER?"  -
                     - Jeremy Bentham

             All truth passes through three stages.
                 First, it  is ridiculed.
               Second, it is violently opposed.
          Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                    -Arthur Schopenhauer

             "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
                even tho it's a hopeless task,
                  in this system of things.
                As long as man is ruling man,
              there will be animals (and humans!)
                 abused and neglected. :-(
                  Your student," Juanita.

             "If you've got them by the balls their
                 hearts and minds will follow,"
                      John Wayne.

Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Email:
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wiza...@HotMail.Com

IT'S ALL OVER, dog abusers, liars, cowards and active
acute chronic long term incurable mental cases.

      HERE'S REAL DEAL, THE BOTTOM LINE:

From: michael <c...@dogtv.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:44:49 GMT

Subject: Re: Neutering & Health (everything our "experts"
                  have preached for YEARS is wrong)

WalterNY wrote:

Hello WalterNY,

I'm not talking about our "scientist experts." As they
are a lot MOORE free from bias than our so-called "expert"
spay and neuter nazi nannies.

A brain dead contingent of primarily white, suburban, overfed,
undersexed radical control freak TOXIC MOMMIES who pave
the road to heel with their good intentions.

For DECADES they have disinformed the public about the so-called
DANGERS of a dog living with all the natural organs the dog was
born with.

VETS are complicit in this as well, because SPAY and NEUTERING
is a PROFIT CENTER for many of them, much like VACCINES are.

But this is the CHANGING of the MUZZLE and SMARTENING UP
of the PUPULACE.

For DECADES our Spay and Neuter Nazis have nagged and scolded
and lied and skewed and pupularized the idea that sex organs on a
dog are an EVIL, a veritable cancer waiting to happen.

They have used FEAR and IGNORANCE and LOATHING for dogs
so that they could further their goal of the ELIMINATION of dogs.
Dogs (yes, actual dogs themselves) make our so-called "dog lovers"
radically uncomfortable and they are driven to round them up and
systematically ELIMINTATE them in our so-called "Shelters."

They have PROMULGATED the LIE of a "PUPULATION CRISIS"
in order to justify their means of radically removing sex organs from
dogs and dogs themselves from society. They don't believe a dog has
a right to live if it is uncaged, unfenced and unowned.

Meanwhile, they care nothing about loose, unowned deer, squirrels,
rats, possums, etc... and to a lesser extent CATS. It is only DOGS
that DRIVE THEM CRAZY with the desire to ELIMINATE them
from the streets of America.

They think there is TOO MANY DOGS and they are desperate to GET
RID OF THEM. They claim to be "dog lovers" but really their main and
ONLY concern is CONTROLLING PEOPLE that they deem "irresponsible."

Unfounded FEAR of rabies drives the OVERvaccination of the Pupulace
and UNFOUNDED fears of CANCER and UNFOUNDED FEAR of UNCONTROLLABLE
intact dogs drive the POUND OF FLESH that our so-called "dog lovers"
radically DEMAND be cut out of our dogs to "FIX" them.

But I got news for ya WalterNY.

DOGS AIN'T BROKE! And they don't need radical, invasive
surgery in order to "FIX" them.

Welcome to the NEW MUZZLE.

I'll be your host:

http://dogtv.com/michael_matty.rm

Look for MOORE of me on TV discussing this and sundry
other dog issues.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!

this is michael
reporting live...
from the NEW MUZZLE of  Dog Training

http://dogtv.com
http://changethemuzzle.com

From: Michael Patton <zzen...@earthlink.net>
Date: 1999/11/20
Subject: Sex and the Modern Day Spay and Neuter Nazi...

Eric Hayreh wrote:

In Britain, there is also always a drive to exterminate
whole breeds of dog, and/or force whole breeds of dog to
live miserably, by forcing them to wear muzzles at all times
in public.  All this, is spurred on by people who think they
are doing it in the interest of dogs.

Congratulations!  You've done so well, that you've exported
your hate toward dogs to America and many other points West
and East...

You see, the vast majority of spay and neuter nazis, whether
in the US or Britain, aren't really interested in dogs at all.

They are interested in control.  They have a bloodthirsty desire
to cut out the sex organs of dogs, yes any dogs they can get
their hooks into, all this, of course, in order to "save" dogs.

Dig beneath the surface, and you see that all they are really
interested in, is in obtaining some type of "control" and
"ownership" of the dog "problem" by presenting themselves
as the "good guys&