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Subject: Re: whiney Min Pin

HOWEDY matty you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life long incurable mental case and professional
illegal doggy day care FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,

"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri9933D03B1BE1Caustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...

That's curiHOWES ain't it, matty? Dogs DO NOT HAVE
"annoying behaviors", they have anXXXIHOWESNESS
relief mechanism behaviors, don't they <{}: ~ ( >

ONLY PARENTS FEAR and HATE The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard even more than the professional dog
trainin and university trained behaviorists FRAUDS and SCAM
ARTISTS whom The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard has
IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED BY NAME by QUOTING their own
written words <{}: ~ ) >

                     LIKE THIS:

"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no archive,
and it's a shame.  Once in a while, while looking for
something else, I'll run into an old post of mine.  What an
idiotic response!  Whoops.

    BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

                      SEE?

Well then, IT'S old enough to beat choke shock and
spray aversives into ITS face, AIN'T IT, matty <{}'; ~ ) >

                  LIKE THIS:

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
     necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

     "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
     Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
     lynn.

"Remember this - The decision to "do right" that most
helps a dog's character is the decision that he makes
himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something,
any more than you can teach a human not to want something,"
wm koehler, dog abusin punk thug coward mental case <{}: ~ ( >

No, it's a puppy abuser "THING".

It's called The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >

Seems most of HOWER fellHOWE dog an kat lovers
spend a lotta time PREYIN to their "gods," eh, matty?

THAT'S HOWE COME dogs GET SEIZURES and
chronic life long infections and cancers, and ATTACK
their ABUSERS, ain't it, matty.

If you PRAISE IN ADVANCE the puppy AIN'T GONNA CRY.

THAT will INCREASE anXXXIHOWESNESS, won't it, matty:

          "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
          reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
         THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
         Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
         how we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not
         received is experienced as a punishment and can produce
         extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."

If the puppy is anXXXIHOWES IT AIN'T GONNA WANT
no doGdameneD "treats" or PLAY, will IT, matty <{}: ~ ( >

You mean AFTER he's QUIT TRYIN to ESCAPE his
box and CRYIN for his mommy's attention, matty?

You mean Vs PRAISE IN ADVANCE, matty?

You mean, LIKE THIS, matty?:

         From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
         Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
         Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST

         Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

        > I try really hard not to yell.  The times that I have, Solo
        > joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.

        Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
        thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
        others' dogs at agility trials or training.
        --
        --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

                         ---------------

         Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
         and dog, especially when the human didn't
         see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
         Rocky's a Dog.

         "Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
         news:Xns92C1EC10BFE7australianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

         Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

         > Anybody else got bilingual dogs?

         Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I only
         use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when it's
         reallyreally important that my dogs get away from something.

       From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
       Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
       Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day

       Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

       > One of the things that frustrates me the most about agility
       > is that people seem to think that ALL dogs are fragile,
       > shrinking flowers who cannot be corrected in any way.

       Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take correction so
       much to heart -- I'll try something different.  Right now,
he's
       just getting the confidence to work a few jumps ahead of me.
       --
       --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but only when
I'm gone during summertime days - maybe an hour at the most.
(Other than hot days, my dogs are always with me.)

While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised from the
day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.  Rocky will go
looking for food even in areas where there's no possibility of
food.

The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri992971EE8892Aaustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...
ceb <ceb4v@nospam.virginia.edu> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

If that happens all of the time, I'd suspect that the
daycare's staff doesn't have the temperament to deal with the
average dog.  I've lost two new clients in the last year
because they were late on days I had important appointments
(and had told them so).  Normally, I'll keep dogs late if such
situations occur, but some clients forget the good times.  I
don't charge for being late, but in exchange I expect my
clients to be on time when required.

One time, just as people were picking their dogs up, Rocky had
bad diarrhea and a Golden had a seizure of some sort (I think
it's vestibular syndrome, but that's another story).  The
Golden was laying by the door and couldn't get up and Rocky's
diarrhea was in the kitchen on the way to the door and he
wanted out to poo some more and he still wanted to say hello
to whoever was at the door.  And all the other dogs wanted in
on the action.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Re: Electronic collars, was Re: Dog chewing up floors

"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri98A8C4D62F0C9australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...

Lynne <unmonitored.email@gmail.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

A nick is a time-limited stim.  Good e-collars provide the
option for a "tap on the shoulder" stim which lasts in the
hundredths of a second.

A friend trains with an e-collar, and helps others with its
proper usage, yet not in Schutzhund where he used colloquially
positive methods to put a level one title on the youngest dog
in his club.

I strapped his e-collar on my upper arm, a sensitive area.  On
the nick, I didn't feel much until he turned it up past what
he uses on his dogs.  On the regular stim, it was--at the
worst--uncomfortable, but certainly not painful.  The
*anticipation* of being "shocked" was the worst part,
but such anticipation is a human idiosyncrasy.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

             THAT'S INSANE, matty.

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 13 Jul 2005 04:14:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Help w/Joe Joe!!!!

Tee said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

And he'll be returned and then returned again if this behaviour
isn't corrected now.  I know that you know better than to
believe someone else will give him more chances than you have.

By aversions, I meant that you may have to do more than
call him off or give him a verbal interruption.  It sounds
like Joe Joe needs some immediate and unequivocal limits
that distraction or NILIF will not supply.

I would consult a trainer knowledgeable in practical
aversion techniques for some hands-on before giving
up.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 13 Jul 2005 16:55:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Help w/Joe Joe!!!!

Sionnach said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Yes, but it seems that the point has been reached
where verbal corrections aren't working.  Personally,
I don't think that Tara should use an e-collar unless
she works with someone with a great deal of experience.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAA!~!~!~!

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 13 Jul 2005 04:39:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Help w/Joe Joe!!!!

I agree - for something like this, I'd never go
to a trainer that I didn't personally know and
have trust in.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

"I wouldn't do anything because Friday would correct
him more appropriately than I ever could. I'd separate
them or watch them closely.  If I can catch them at it
before the behaviour itself becomes rewarding, I use
my marker word. If I can catch them even earlier (when
the intent to commit misbehaviour is forming in their
evil minds), distraction works.

The latter works better than the former when it comes
to their protecting me from the mailman.  Management,
redirection, distraction, aversives, Paula's socks,
combinations thereof - it's all good," matt. Rocky's my
epileptic dog.

Rocky wrote:

Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >

INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and REPORTED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of  HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN And ANIMAL BEHAVIOR RESEARCH
LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >

You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >

Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >

"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri9927CEBBE142Aaustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...
Janet Boss <janet@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

I seem to get a lot of terriers here.  Me and mine are great
with them - I set limits, Friday is the bad cop, Rocky is the
good cop.

I've lost a couple of clients because my rules and people skills
are direct.  I can envision disaster and I'd rather not deal
with it.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Re: "sh.t-Head" strikes again

"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri988D833CAEB57australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com... "MauiJNP"
<jmh1116@ptd.net> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

It works with the right conditioning, timing, and appropriate
correction.  The right timing requires that you spend time
waiting for the action to occur naturally and then apply the
appropriate correction if your dog has already received proper
conditioning.

In OTW, do that kind of stuff only if you're extremely
confortable with your dog and he's extremely comfortable with
you.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

        "Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
        news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...
         >
         > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
         > > When you compare using sound and
         > > praise to solve a problem with using
         > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
         > > how can you criticize the use of sound?

         > There's nothing more to be said, then.
         > You've made up your mind.

         > But you've impressed me by mentioning
         > that you're a professor with 30 years of
         > experience.

         > So, can you cite some examples of
         > people recommending "shock collars,
         > hanging, and punishment"?
         > --
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         >> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
         >> will often make the dog either aggressive
         >> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
         >> to do.
         >
         > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
         > No matter what Jerry Howe states.
         >
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
         > doubt, please provide a quote (an
         > original quote, not from one of Jerry
         > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
         > shows a regular poster promoting or
         > using an abusive form of training.
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         > So, can you cite some examples of
         > people recommending "shock collars,
         > hanging, and punishment"?
         > --
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
         >
         >  What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
         >  which you have read so many.  While you're going
         >  through them, point out those which recommend
         >  shocking, and pinching, and beating.  Thank you.
         > --
         > -Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

         > Rocky wrote:
         > "Deltones" <vibrov...@hotmail.com> said in
         > rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
         >
         > > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
         > > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
         > > is choking. It's never limited.
         >
         > So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
         > Thank you for your contribution.
         > -Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Subject:  Re: Sudden Onset Aggressive Behavour?
                                 OR
HOWE COME I MURDERED My Favorite Dog <{}: - ( >

HOWEDY kittycarer,

<kittycarer@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:
1179157644.318236.122820@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 12 May, 21:26,
"Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@hotmail.com"

You mean amongst the miserable stinkin lyin self
servin animal murderin MENTAL CASES, kitty?

Lots of animal lovers FEAR and HATE The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard on accHOWENTA HE DON'T HURT
innocent defenseless dumb critters like HOWE they PREFER and
TEACHES folks HOWE to pupperly handle their critters so's they
DON'T do things that brings HARM to innocent defenseless dumb
critters INCLUDIN children <{}: ~ ( >

You SEZ:

"If only our cats were in a position to defend themselves.
It makes me sick to think of what we put them through
as humans & makes me so ashamed of humans as well.

These kids should be beaten by their father rather than told
not to worry whilst wasting their savings and reputations
trying to get them out of trouble..

If he gave them a thrashing that it seems obvious that they
wouldn't expect, then the chances are it might shock them
into believing that this has to stop right here and right now."

HOWE COME YOU SEZ:

"Cats are not so different from humans. They
require warmth, food & love. Simple really!"

AND THEN you recommend puttin bitter apple
or bitter orange on an infant kitty's tallywhacker!:

"I suggest that you try either apple or possibly try rubbing
orange peel next to the smaller kittens tummy. This might
possibly dissuade the bigger kitten from attempting to
suckle off the smaller kit."

INDEED? Seems life is FULL of CONtradictions,
at least amongst EDUCATORS in the UK, eh, kitty?

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

Apupriate handlin an trainin AIN'T a matter of OPINION
or PREFERENCE, kittycarer, it's a matter of SCIENTIFIC
FACT:

         A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill
         School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back In
         The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They Wet The
         Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their Behaviour Would
         Stop, - As If By MAGICK!

The Embry Study:

"While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase
the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on
the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples
of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the
chances of more inappropriate behavior.

Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with
their children about dashing into the street will likely to
have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe
behavior; they reward it."

Source:

"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to Preschoolers by
Parent  Training and Symbolic Modeling for Children: An
Experimental Analysis  in the Natural Environment. Research
Report Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."

         "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
         indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

                   What is the use of compulsion then?

                The love and hate which are aroused
                 by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
                 do not yield to them.

                       They only obstruct the path," -
                                - Bhagavad Gita,
               adapted by Krishna with permission
               from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
               Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
               Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~ )  >

Another INFORMATION seeker asked:

LUCKY THING you're a KAT RESCUER
and EDUCATOR,, eh, kittycarer <{}: ~ ( >

You SEZ:

"Oh dear. It is so easily done, but all the harder to
repair.  Time is the very thing you need here. "

Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME you got so many
happy kats in your RESCUE organization, eh, kitty?

You're SETTIN in it, kit <{}'; ~  )  >

INDEED?

Are you SHORE you can handle it, kittycarer?

You're welcome, of curse <{}: ~ ) >

INDEED?

Perhaps that's a reflection on the educational system in the UK,
eh, kittycarer? Hey? AIN'T YOU a EDUCATOR, kittycarer?

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???

PERHAPS THAT'S on accHOWENTA it's ALL
pertinent, kittycarer? There AIN'T NO GREY AREA
between RIGHT and WRONG. RIGHT or WRONG
AIN'T a matter of PERSONAL PREFERENCE or
OPINION, kittycareer <{}: ~ (  >

You SEZ:

"And to this all I can add is thank you for agreeing to respect the
others culture & reasons for allowing or not allowing your cats to
be either inside or outside cats. It is a very personal option, & one
that we should respect if the other is happy that they have done the
right thing."

But THEN you SEZ:

"In fact I had a game keeper at the backdoor several years ago
warning me that If Binky kept hunting for pheasants with the
regularity that he was, that we would be required to buy shooting
rights to then land because he was depleting the stock at an
alarming rate, whilst Petal was went nest hunting.

Very naughty really, so we had to tell him off for the pheasants,
& praise him for the hares and rabbits instead. I'm not sure that
he understood all that well, but we moved quite soon after that.
I am certain that both the gamekeeper & the land owner were
quite relieved to see us departing."

         "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
         indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

                   What is the use of compulsion then?

                The love and hate which are aroused
                 by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
                 do not yield to them.

                       They only obstruct the path," -
                                - Bhagavad Gita,
               adapted by Krishna with permission
               from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
               Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
               Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~ )  >

You mean QUOTES?

             LIKE THIS?:

Re: life is not fair for cats

"i am so sad" <somewhere@bizniz.biz> wrote in message
news:t6adnezi0twFHdbbnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@giganews.com...
6 months ago a couple came into my workplace with this
tiny kitten.i took him off thier hands-he needed a home.

he was so cool. as he grew up we became best of freinds.
his name was boogers-maybe 8-9 months old.

he got out of the house last night.

after a few hours i got worried-i called out to him-he usually
comes right to me-i got a litlle more worried-i walked a little
more-12 midnite-i found him-dead-under his favorite bush.

this sucks so much-i miss him.life is unfair to say the least.
the last 6 years of my life has been terrible loss and pain.

i knew i took a risk in adopting him-emotional risk.
i should have known better.
damn-i miss him.

                 -----------------

LUCKY THING you RESPECT THE RIGHTS
of folks to make their own DECISIONS, eh, kitty?

INDEED? CITES PLEASE?

You mean, the miserable stinkin lyin self servin animal
murderin mental case's whose own POSTED CASE
HISTORIES are QUOTED here, kittycarer?

Oh, you mean their LIES and ABUSES <{}: ~ (  >

Oh, you mean LIKE THIS?:

"Oh dear. It is so easily done, but all the harder to
repair.  Time is the very thing you need here. "

You mean INSTEAD of simply TRAININ them
NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you in the EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM
PREFER, kittycarer?

You think they was FORGERIES, kittycarer?

PERHAPS you don't know HOWE ot GOOGLE The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory Archives <{)'; ~ ) >

All you gotta to is copy the NAME and maybe
a couple of key words into GOOGLE GROUPS
SEARCH and SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!

AND SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!

THERE IT IS.

EVERY BIT OF IT, kittycarer <{}: ~ ) >

PERHAPS you can blame the EDUCATIONAL
system in the UK for your ignorance? AND THEN
you can BLAME your PARTENTS for your own
abusive, fearful, self serving vindictive nature:

Abuse / fear / aggression / hyperactivity / shyness / suicide
attempts AIN'T a chemical imbalance or genetic problem it's
a SPIRITUAL problem, passed on from WON generatiHOWEN
of  abuser to the next, like the 100th  monkey washin fruit in the
stream. After a while it's not just NORMAL, it's OBLIGATORY.

         To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL
                      of your parental teachins.

 The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
          Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
                       Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
        Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
        Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment,
        Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness, Aversion,
        Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion, Change,
        Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
                                        And
           Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.

        YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.

        It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
           The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
                                A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
                                   G-R-A-N-D
        Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard  <{) ; ~ ) >

Naaaaah?

    "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
                            as separate, not the wise.

           If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

                  The level which is reached by wisdom
                                   is attained
                        through right action as well.

        He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

         "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
         indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

                   What is the use of compulsion then?

                The love and hate which are aroused
                 by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
                 do not yield to them.

                       They only obstruct the path," -
                                - Bhagavad Gita,
               adapted by Krishna with permission
               from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
               Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
               Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~ )  >

           "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
                          I came not to send peace,
                                   but a sword.
       "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,
                     and the daughter against her mother,
             the daughter in law against her mother in law
                    and the scholar against his professors.
         "And a man's foes shall be they of his own HOWEshold."
                         The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >

Oh, you mean you ain't got the INTELLECT to read
understand and apply the basic principles of human
decency, morals, ethics and principles based on
unconditional love trust and respect?:

The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
                     Never Change,
            Or They'd Not Be Scientific
                And Could Not Obtain
 Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Safe Effective Results
        For All Handler's And All Critters
                 And ALL Behaviors
     ALL OVER THE WHOWEL WILD WORLD,
                NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Incredibly Insanely
Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method  Manual <{): ~ )  >

Oh, you mean like HOWE The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy
And Horsey Wizard done when HE first came here and was
called a LIAR and FRAUD and CHILD MOLESTOR?

THEY WANT TO HURT INTIMIDATE MUTILATE
AND MURDER INNOCENT DEFENSELESS DUMB
CRITTERS to compensate for their own fragile defective
ego's, weak fearful minds and colossal inferiority complexes.

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard COULDN'T DO
IT withHOWET THEIR OWN QUOTED WORDS, kitty <{}: ~ ) >

They'll DO an SAY ANYTHING to DEFEND their
alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE MUTILATE
and MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters.

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard HOWELDS
no grudges, kittycarer <{}: ~ ) >

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???

You're quite welcome!

You mean IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and
DISCREDITING the miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin MENTAL CASES HE QUOTES, kit?

You mean on accHOWENTA the METHODS in your own
FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training Method Manual
WORKS FOR ALL CRITTERS all over the WHOWEL
WILD WORLD, NEARLY INSTANTLY, kittycarer?

Well kittycarer, BEIN NICE to miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderers DON'T WORK, NEVER HAS WORKED
and NEVER WILL WORK <{}: ~ ( >

The ONLY way these animal abusin MENTAL CASES
will EVER change their ways is when they're EMBARRASSED
TO DEATH and DISRESPECTED and DISREGARDED
by DECENT FOLKS, like yourself, eh?

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

Re: Vomiting cat question

<kittycarer@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:
1179161481.280052.180090@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

I couldn't agree more with you if I tried. It is not border line
abuse, it is Abuse, full stop!

If the authorities had any idea that this was transpiring, they would
remove custodial ownership to somewhere that the cat would no longer
be abused in this manner, & would be free from the bullying that the
poor cat has no chance to escape from.

In fact, I would go further. By not reporting what has happened to
your cat, makes you just as liable for his actions as he is. You have
had every opportunity to ensure that your cat was not subjected to
this abuse, & if you lived in the UK, you would be prosecuted too & be
banned from animal ownership for life, which is about the right thing
that you would deserve for allowing it to continue.

Do not look for sympathy or support for what you have told us, because
you do not deserve it. It makes me angry to think that you might look
or find support with a group who's first interest is to the cat, not
the owner, or the abuser. In our country, if you stand by and watch
this abuse happen, you are as guilty as the offender.

I am disgusted that you thought you would find it here,& even more
disillusioned that you felt people were supporting you rather than
your partner.

The best thing that you could do for this cat is to take it to a no
kill policy shelter & allow a family who will care for him in a
respectable loving manner where he will be appreciated & enjoy his
twilight years in safety & peace. You are doing him no favours at all,
merely looking for sympathy here, & support to throw at your
boyfriend...Not to help the cat in anyway at all. If you did care
about this cat, you would be posting about the terrible boyfriend that
you saved your cat from!

I very much hope that you take these words to heart
and do the right thing regarding the cat in your care
K.

If you care too LOOK UP MY REPLY to Adilah you'll
SEE HOWE COME I AM The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy
And Horsey Wizard and YOU ain't nuthin but a self servin
human and animal abusin FRAUD <{}: ~ ( >

INDEED? PERHAPS if you read my reply to Adilah
in that vomiting thread YOU'LL UNDERSTAND.

BET YOUR LIFE ON IT.

Think of it as separating the wheat from the chaff, eh?

You're quite welcome!

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

                       A DOG Is A DOG;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                  As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
                    As A GOAT Is A GOAT;
                  As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
             As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
         As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
   PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
           INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
 To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

             You GET The Critter You TRAINED

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

     INTIMIDATION, IGNORANCE, IDIOCY, LIES, COWARDICE,
                      VETERINARY MALPRACTICE
                                         AND
                                    MURDER
           On The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand
                 Pussy Wizard's EXXXPRESS <{) : ~ ( >

HOWEDY People,

Here's self serving state of the art conniving at it's beast
when self proclaimed animal lovers *(particularly PARENTS)
PERFER to MURDER their fear aggressive critters:

    From The Annals Of The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand
                           Pussy Wizard's
   Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory

Subject: Random Attacks from the cat

From: Vahehoo
Date: Tues, Feb 28 2006 1:28 pm
Email: "Vahehoo" <vahe...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav

Hello,

Thanks everyone for their replies, advices and kind words.
Also I am really weird out by TheAmazingPussyWiz trying to
sell me something by making me feel guilty and stupid at
the same time.

Way to go TheAmazingPussyWiz !

Unfortunately, I had to put the cat to sleep. Her blood
work came back normal and so the only option that vet
was offering was Prozac. No guarantees were made with that.

Thinking objectively we would not have been able to trust
her again...Locking her in a room every time we decide to
walk around or when other people (including children) are
present is not an option either.

Drugging the animal to unconsciousness is cruel and giving
her away or setting free somewhere far is not fare to the
people and animals that would encounter her.

So holding down the feelings below the rationality I made
the decision to humanly let her go...

Truly this was one of the hardest decisions I had to make
in my 26 years of existence. It was really sad to tell them
to put her down like that...

I still miss my cat a lot.

V
              --------------

From: The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory

Subject:     Random Attacks from the cat

From: The Amazing Pussy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
Date: Wed, Feb 15 2006 2:56 pm

HOWEDY vahehoo,

It's too bad you've been subject to such PATHETIC advice
as you've received from the mental cases here and your
ill trained veterinarian.

This'll clear things up, but you'll FEAR and HATE The Amazing
Pussy Wizard and MURDER YOUR KAT instead and THAT'S NORMAL here
abHOWETS... instead of just FOLLOWIN THE INSTRUCTIONS in your
own FREE COPY of The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual and applying the EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC TECHNIQUES to your kat.

Just substitute the words kat child SP-HOWES parent ferrett
horse or WHATEVER for the words dog or puppy and YOU'LL GET
THE SAME 100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS:

From The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
                    Research Laboratory

Subject         Random Attacks from the cat
From: The Amazing Pussy Wizard <{) ; ~ )  >
Date: Fri, Feb 17 2006 8:21 am

HOWEDY Vahehoo,

Vahehoo wrote:

Yeah, most of the kitty kat lovers have been through
the same same and they've likely STILL GOT the
problem or they've MURDERED their kitty kat.

LikeWIZE The Simply Amazing Pussy Wizard <(@} ; ~ )  >

Oh, and MICE, too...YUMMM!

That's normal.

Months? The Simply Amazing Pussy Wizard got a kat from the shelter
who was a couple years old and was told not to adopt her HOWET to
a HOWES with ANY critters, kids, or large noisy family on accHOWENT
of she was a SPOOK. Took WON WEEK to rehabilitate her to live in The
Amazing Pussy Wizard's HOWES with all HIS dogs and crazy friends.

You mean SCOLDING and INTIMIDATION <(@} ; ~ )  >

Yup! That's ALL you got to do to make a ENEMY of you kat. He'll
FEAR and HATE you for SHORE <(@} : ~ (  >

Yeah... but that's irrelevent.  You CANNOT MIX methods. You GOTTA
BE CONSISTENT. EITHER ALWAS scolding and punishing or ALWAYS
NICE. THEN the critter will KNOW what to EXXXPECT <{) ; ~ )  > Other
WIZE they'll TURN ON YOU <{) : ~ )  >

SEE? Told you so!

You mean AFTER she calmed DHOWEN??? That's BACKWARDS!

Of curse!

"STUFF"? You mean the scolding and intimidation when she does BAD
stuff?

Your kat should get over her FEAR NEARLY INSTANTLY if you
stop scolding and bribing her <(@} ; ~ )  >

You could get her over THAT, too, if you knew HOWE.

That's on accHOWENT of scolding and isolating her from your guests.

There ya go! That's really gonna inspire TRUST.

Naaaah. The kat was UNPREDICTABLE pryor. NHOWE he's PREDICTABLE.

SEE?

Of curse. THAT'S PREDICTABLE:

          "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
          reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
          model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
          Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
          how we escape the phenomenon that an expected
          reward not received is experienced as a punishment
          and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
          (Azrin et al, 1966)."

ANY behavior that's PREDICTABLE REPEATABLE or CONSISTENT
is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.

That's only gonna make the kitty kat MORE aggressive mistrusting and
fearful.

ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS DO EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
OPPOSITE of HOWE you been handling your kitty kat <{) : ~ )  >

Your vet don't know NUTHIN abHOWET behavior.

COULD BE she's SICK. Could be MORE LIKELY you'd CURE her
aggression IN WON DAY if you study and follow the INSTRUCTIONS
in your own FREE COPY of The Simply Amazing Pussy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{) : ~ )  >

THAT'S ABSURD.

You've been PUNISHING and INTIMIDATING and BRIBING your
kat. WHAT THE HEEL ELSE DO YOU EXXXPECT FROM HER???
YOU TAUGHT HER TO DO THAT:

        "Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY through
        OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than by trial and
        error with reinforcemet (Luchins,)."

BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! Save your hard earned dough.

Most veterinary behaviorists are INCOMPETENT FRAUDS who'll
take whatever hard earned dough you got left after the veterinarian
RAPES you till you're bleedin.

You mean to MURDER your kat on accHOWENT of the VETERINARIAN
and his VETERINARY BEHAVIORIST DON'T KNOW HOWE to TEACH
YOU not to INTIMIDATE and SCOLD your kitty kat???

Of curse you will. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.
You've come here to ASK PERMISSION from like minded animal abusers
to MURDER your fearful kat that YOU MADE AFRAID.

NOT IF YOU STUDY AND FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS in your own FREE
COPY of The Simply Amazing Pussy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual. Just change the words dog or puppy to kat or
kitten or ferrett or horse or kids or parents or SP-HOWES
and DO ALL the EXXXORCISES that you can do with that SPECIES
and you'll GET your 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS.

OtherWIZE you can pay your VETERINARY MALPRACTICIONER to
RIP YOU OFF for your hard earned dough and your kat's LIFE.

Whatever... Seems you've learned to FEAR talkin to your parents...

Thank you!

Here's dr. dodman of Tuffts behavior clinic GETTIN SCHTUIPPED
BUTT GOOD by The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Pussy
Wizard <(@} ; ~ )  >

You are in Cat Behavior Library

Petting Aggression in Cats
By: Dr. Nicholas Dodman

          "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
          reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
          model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
          Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
          how we escape the phenomenon that an expected
          reward not received is experienced as a punishment
          and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
          (Azrin et al, 1966)."

          "The IMBECILITY of some ofthe claims for operant
          technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
          (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
          procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
          disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
          six days the boys are reported to have been learning
          new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
          moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
          immediately deteriorated."

       "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
       itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
       change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
       inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

        "Postitive emotions arising in connection with the
        perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic
        significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
        IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces
        any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

dr. dodman and his cohorts have been JERRYIZED many times pryor.

Recent studies at UCLA and Harvard SEZ "AGGRESSION IS LEARNED".

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
           As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

               ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
   To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                Which We Create For Them.

      Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
          We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
              And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

          "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

"ALL ANIMALS LEARN BEST THROUGH PLAY," Konrad Lorenz.

BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

That's sheer idiocy. We're talkin abHOWET a
DOMESTIC KAT in a HUMAN FAMILY HOWEshold.

The "alpha THEORY" is DEAD.

Your so called "ALPHA" means that critter is THE MOST AFRAID.

That's meaningless DHOWEBEL TALK.

That's ABSURD. What "ASSETS and PRIVILEGES" is the
HOWEskat gettin by ATTACKIN HIS OWNER despite NO
OTHER KATS nearby or livin in the HOWES, doctor
DHOWEBLETAALKER???

NO. ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

On accHOWENT of the kat is AFRAID: "Familiarity breeds CONTEMPT",
cite The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'End Dog Training Method Manual:

Here's your own FREE COPY of The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{) : ~ }  >

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On accHOWENT of they're SOCIABLE critters
craving UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST and RESPECT:

            Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
            Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
            That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
            Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender
            Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
            Management Of Doggys  <{) ; ~ ) >

On accHOWENT of they become AFRAID to TRUST their people
on accHOWENT of punishment and offering and witholding
bribes attention and affection:

"Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic
children improved enough to go to school without
"anything that is regarded as good psychotherapy
or as psychotherapy at all...

Autistic children have been known to become permenantely
social by deinstitutionalization, BY REMOVAL from the
parents, BY RADICAL CHANGES in other environments, and
by MASSIVE DOSAGE of TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE
DESPITE THE REJECTION OF THE CHILD." My case, Larry,
(vonHilsheimer, 1965b), demonstrates a recovery by
using the mother as an autistic boy's teacher in an
open millieu. It is curiHOWES that the operant
technicians provide as few, and as UNIMAGINITAVE
controls for thier "research" as the Freudians."

PUSHED IT OFF THE COUNTER and WITHELD BRIBES to elicit a behavior.

Well then all you'd need to do is BRIEFLY VARIABLY and NON
PHYSICALLY distract and INSTANTLY PRAISE for 5-15 seconds
and allHOWE the behavior to RESUME and REPEAT the distraction
and praise technique till the FEAR behavior is EXXXTINGUISHED.
CITE: The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual...
(just change the words dog or puppy to kat child horse
ferrett SP-HOWES child or WHATEVER species you're workin with.

A MAMMAL BRAIN is a MAMMAL BRAIN. SEZ SO in your own FREE COPY
of The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual).

That was CAVEMAN. You're SUPPHOWESED to be a SCIENTIST, doctor dodman.

So you're gonna offer a BRIBE or REJECT the kitty kat, doctor CAVEMAN?

NO PROBLEMO:

         The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                           Never Change,
                   Or They'd Not Be Scientific
                       And Could Not Obtain
          Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Safe Effective Results
                    For All Handler's And All Dogs,
             ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
                         NEARLY INSTANTLY,
         As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
         FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

So PRAISE HIM and HE'LL RELAXXX and NOT BE AFRAID. EZ, AIN'T IT <{): ~
) >

"Familiarity breeds contempt". SEZ SO in your own FREE COPY of The
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual. It AIN'T
just for DOGS, doctor it works on ALL critters the same same.

No, it's CAUSED by INCONSITENTLY PUNISHING and PRAISING.
You gotta DO WON or the other ONLY, ask dr. sidman <{) : ~ ) >

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You mean like bein offered a bribe or thrown off your lap, doctor?

Like bein RESTRAINED when they're AFRAID, doctor?

DO TELL???

Variably and alternately distract and INSTANTLY praise him for 5-15
seconds and allHOWE him to RESUME the FEAR BEHAVIOR and REPEAT the
distraction and praise process TILL EXXXTINCTION, doctor CAVEMAN.

"Manners" got NUTHIN to do with FEAR behavior, doctor caveman.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! That's ABSURD.

It's a freakin KAT doctor, not a psychoANALyist.

To make the PERSON THINK he's IN CON-TROLL, doctor? Do you
REALLY think  the KAT CARES if he's "invited" up when HE
seeks companionship??? IT'S A KAT ferchrissakes!!! KATS DO
what KATS LIKE and YOU can't MAKE HIM THINK you've "given
IT permission," doctor. PERHAPS the kat WOULDN'T BE AFRAID
if you hadn't surgically sexually BUTCHERED IT as you RECOMMEND.

FORGET that idiotic TREAT doctor, THAT'S PROBABLY HOWE COME
the kat attacks IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! (After bein MUTILATED,
sprayed in the face with water and punished, of curse!)

Perhaps your REWARD is NOT UNDERSTOOD by the veterinary
community less than by that kat, doctor? OFFERING and
WITHOLDING bribes attention affection CAUSES AGGRESSION.

If you start REWARDING brief periods of "socialization"
then the kat WILL EXXXPECT REWARDS AFTER brief periods
of "SOCIALIZATION" and WILL ATTACK when HE DON'T GET his
REWARD.

FORGET your food and play as REWARDS, doctor caveman.
Offer treats or play whenever you like and whenever
the kat asks for attention GIVE HIM NON PHYSICAL PRAISE.

THAT'LL TEACH the kat he has 100% of your undivided
attention and when YOU want to GIVE him a TREAT FOR
PLEASURE he GETS a TREAT with NO STRINGS attached an
HE AIN'T GONNA BE AGGRESSIVE, doctor caveman.

If the kat becomes accustomed to gettin a "reward" after
X amHOWENT of time he's gonna GET AGGRESSIVE when that
limit has been reached and he AIN'T GOT HIS REWARD, doctor.

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       "Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
       news:

       I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
       dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
       I do not know what started the problem but he came
       aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
       snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
       and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
       ad I took him with me everywhere.

       At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
       Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
       clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
       it was not working on his aggression problem.

       I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
       trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
       They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
       and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
       suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
       working as he was becoming more aggressive.

       I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
       away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
       on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
       use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

       I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
       ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
       LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
       University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
       had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
       gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
       have the people stop until he could get in control using
       treats, and work on clicker training.

       At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
       the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
       would not come when I called him and would run away when
       I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
       neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
       hasn't trained her dog"

       I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
       were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
       were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
       said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
       say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
       responsible for him."

       *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
       DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

       As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
       going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
       Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
       Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
       He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
       not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

       The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
       I had been working for 18 months!

       Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
       from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
       I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
       blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
       can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

       I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
       -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
       looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
       on by.

       When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
       me like "you must be out of your mind"

       The results can make a believer!!!

       Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
       Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
       in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

       He just seemed to not notice any one.

       When people talked to him or ask his name he would
       look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

       I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
       enjoy life out in public.

       If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
       was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
       Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
       toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

       My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
       dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
       out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

       I know most people would have given up on him a long time
       ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
       but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

       I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

                     ------------

       From: Linda Daniel
       To: Jerry Howe
       Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
       Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

       Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
       to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
       save so many lives.  I know at times I was so frustrated I
       thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
       have but many people would have.  The world just does not
       know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
       solve problems.

       We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
       -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
       you could meet us would be great.  I drive so I would be
       happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

       We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
       right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
       scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
       would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
       to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

       He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
       those on rollerblades!  I have always used a gentle leader
       in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
       grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

       Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
       stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose.  He never
       pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
       a hard time getting him going--at times  I think he could
       smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

       I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

       I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
       walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
       a problem with other people and dogs.

       I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
       to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
       around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
       treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
       coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
       and not move until we backed away-

       - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
       until I get his attention with treats.

       They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
       but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
       him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
       sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
       to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
       heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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HOWEDY CRYINGANGEL1100000,

Subject: Opinions on training so many? Who is right?

cryingangel10...@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah. Professional dog trainers, veterinarians and university
trained behaviorists will do and say ANY THING to DEFEND their
alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent defenselsss
dumb critters.

WELCOME To The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
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That's INSANE:
                      A DOG Is A Dog;
                    As A KAT Is A KAT;
                  As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                  As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
               As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
           As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

               ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
    To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                 Which We Create For Them.

     The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                      Never Change,
              Or They'd Not Be Scientific
                  And Could Not Obtain
     Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Safe Effective Results
              For All Handler's And All Dogs,
              ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
                    NEARLY INSTANTLY,
    As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
    FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

That AIN'T enough. What these EXXXPERTS think of as FAIR,
APUPRIATE, GENTLE, and KIND, treatment JUST LIKE they use
on their own children is INSANE ABUSE, not UNCONDITIONAL
LOVE TRUST and RESPECT:

     From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
  The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

      Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
          We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
              And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

           You GET The Critter You TRAINED

        In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                SAME SAME SAME SAME,
       For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

       "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
            so utterly beyond value."

             Like a confessor Priest?

    "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                --John Galsworthy.

      Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
              Their behaviors reflect
     HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
     Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

The MENTAL CASES you're talkin to SAY THEY DO test those
same methods on themselves and SAY THEY DON'T HURT:

HOWEDY sinofabitch,

"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:2l0h1mF71cbaU1@uni-berlin.de...

his own words, seems steve is a MENTAL CASE.

Naaaaah. Shocking dogs doesn't HURT.

And probably much safer than jerking and choking
IT on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar and
CERTAINLY friendlier than just throwing IT to
the grHOWEND and climbing all over IT like a
goddamend raped ape and grHOWELING into ITS
throat and biting IT on ITS ears and then
denyin it.

Of curse not. No MOORE than jerking and choking
your dog on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar
could TRAIN IT for you. THAT'S HOWE COME you
gotta SHOCK your dog to MOTIVATE IT to naturally
want to work.

Naah. The shock collar manufacturer's only CALL
IT a STATIC LIKE STIMULATION cause they're talkin
MEDICAL GRADE shocking, not sportsman's shockin,
MOORE like steevie's 5,000 V shock that knocked
him stupid. He was already mental, it seems.

But there could be. Then there's that dog that
got set afire. And all them other dogs who've
been BURNED when their shock collars malfunctioned.

Yeah. MOORE of a BUZZ.

You mean, a nick. MOORE like a tap.

Not if it's used pupperly, as MOTIVATION. You'll
learn all abHOWET that when you watch FRAUDrecks
videos of Maddy workin withHOWET her shock collar.
He got the same results you'd get if you took your
shock collar off your little dog and gave her a
chance at freedom.

Well, perhaps that's cause you're a sexual Sadist
like your pals susan fraser, laura arlov and Ms.
shirly chong. Or perhaps your anti psychotic
medications are deadening your senses, as they
tend to do.

Right. That's HOWE COME you're gonna demonstrate
the dual tuned shock collar challenge to PROVE
they're safe and humane.

Like this:

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

                  ---------

As a matter of fact.

Good. Then you'll be eager to wear a shock collar
tuned to the same as the dog is wearin and you can
demonstrate breakin dog fighting using your dual
tuned shock collars to keep us from LYIN abHOWET
what you do to your dogs.

"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

--Lia

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.

--Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME
IT was MACED?

janet boss wrote:

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL
LYING DOG ABUSERS HURT and MURDER.

From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST