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Attn: Dr. Andrew Jones: Re: Behavior Modification

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Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@HotMail.Com - 28 May 2007 19:29 GMT
Attn: Dr. Andrew Jones: Re: Behavior Modification

HOWEDY Dr. Jones,

> Hello all.

I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferett,
Goat And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

> I am currently fostering a puppy until the new
> owner (my Dad) comes to pick him up.

EXXXCELLENT! You can have him nearly fully
trained by then or mabye by tomorrow a.m.!

> He is a big furry friendly puppy, a Marema cross,
> which are bred to protect livestock.

He'll be a big dog. He'll need some SPECIAL handlin an trainin <{}:
- ) >

> The breeders called him Sarge, so that is what we have been calling him.

> My dad lives on a farm with Sheep, goats, and cows, so Sarge will
> love it there.

So long as he PROTECTS and NOT HARASSES the livestock.

> But while he is living with my family in the town of Nelson, he has
> to entertain himself without farm animals..he loves to chase my
> children, harass my cat, and chew on everything.

Dogs, even herding dogs, DO NOT "NEED" to chase
critters OR have a JOB or perform EXXXCESSIVE
EXXXORCISE to EXXXPIATE their anXXXIHOWESNESS behaviors.

> My wife wasn't so excited to see her slippers in pieces under the rosebush.

"Accidents" happen usually as a direct result of "puppy proofin"
the HOWES to AVOID temptations and offering replacements or so
called incompatible alternate behaviors to address STEALIN, CHEWIN
an SWALLOWIN STUFF.

IN FACT, dogs usually SWALLOW STUFF they've STOLEN so's
their owner won't TAKE IT AWAY from them or CATCH them
with the purloined goods and punish them <{}: ~ ( >

HOWEver, NOT TO WORRY, you CAN EXXXTINGUISH inapupriate
chewin / stealing / swallowin STUFF, NEARLY INSTANTLY,
simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you been TAUGHT by veterinary ethologists <{}: ~ )  >

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> Here are some solutions for a chewing puppy...

Oh, EXXXCELLENT! It's been a long while since a veterinary
EXXXPERT has taken the opportunity to TALK BUSINESS with
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferett, Goat And Horsey
Wizard!

> SPICE UP THEIR LIFE. One of the reasons dogs chew is boredom

That's ABSURD. BORED DOGS SLEEP.

> Regular vigorous exercise will burn off emotional energy.

That's ABSURD.

DOGS DO NOT NEED 'vigorHOWES EXXXORCISE' to
CON-TROLL hyperactive behavior, Dr. Jones:

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

>  A tired, exercised pet is less likely to chew.

THAT'S ABSURD. Tired dogs REST and in a few
minutes have MORE hyperactive energy to EXXXPIATE.

                      LIKE THIS:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Update on Puppy Biting
Date: 1999/06/14

In article <37675817.19034...@news3.bga.c­om>
clayn@NO_JUNKdillonet.com
writes:

> My previous thread seems to have deteriorated
> off topic, but I would still like some input on
> biting and aggressive behavior. To recount I
> have a Chow/Lab mix who is now 9 weeks old.
> The biggest problem I had with him is biting.
:
> This could have been when petting him, walking
> by, or when playing. This seems to be his way of
> playing or getting attention, but it can drive me nuts.
> To stop this I've distracted with chew toys,

Distraction can be a BIG mistake! Why? Because if
your manipulation of the chew toy is reinforcing then
you are inadvertently reinforcing your dog for biting if
you follow his biting with activating the chew toy.

The standard way to curtail biting is to either "yelp
loudly," "clamp the dog's mouth shut with your hand,"
or "pick him up by the scruff of his neck" and say "no"
whenever he bites.

All of these are punishment procedures and
to work they must be put into place promptly,
within say .5 sec, after the bite.

Isolating the dog after a bite is another form
of punishment called time-out (from reinforcement
but it is hard to rapidly implement--within .5
sec of a bite.

If one of these procedures does not work, that is,
your dog behaves as if it were a game, then you
are not using an effective punisher/procedure.

> I said NO, and failing that put him in my room
> alone for a few min. When in there he barks
> and whines, but afterwards behaves much better.
> After about a week of this the biting has decreased
> remarkably, but hasn't stopped outright. Still does it
> when he gets into hyper Puppy Jihad mode.

Well, be patient.

You can, of course, use differential reinforcement
of other behavior to eliminate biting. If there is a
situation in which your dog often bites. then create
the situation and if your dog goes without biting for
1 sec. offer a reinforcer (click and treat if you use
a clicker).

Then gradually increase the time that your dog
must go without biting for the reinforcer to be
delivered. Eventually, your dog will not bite and
the other behaviors that you have been reinforcing
will be more frequent.

Another factor to consider is whether your dog
is getting sufficient exercise.

Mine will go "bonkers" if he has been exercise deprived.

Best wishes,

Marshall

                 =====================

                  BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAAA!!!

> THE RIGHT THINGS TO CHEW.

While chewing is soothing to gums with new teeth bein cut
IT AIN'T NECESSARY or apupriate for CON-TROLL of hyperactive
behaviors or anXXXIHOWESNESS relief mechanisms.

> Provide several chewable toys, and rotate them weekly.

That's fine for PLEASURE, but NOT as a behavior modification device.
It's anXXXIHOWESNESS CHEWING that's the PROBLEM, not the particular
THING he's DESTRUCTIVELY / anXXXIHOWESLY CHEWIN!

> One of my favorites is a Kong toy, filled with peanut butter and frozen.

That's EXXXTREMELY frustrating, in fact, it's PUNISHING:

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

> This keeps my dog entertained for hours.

That's curiHOWES. BORED DOGS seldom play with toys,
they SLEEP. EXXXCESSIVE CHEWING is a SYMPTOM of
anXXXIHOWESNESS, not a "dog who LOVES to chew".

> MAKE THE BAD BITTER.

INDEEDY. HOWEver, in order for aversive trainin to
WORK, it must be applied in a meaningful way EVERY
TIME the annoying behavior occurs, otherWIZE you'd
be VARIABLY REINFORCING the "bad behavior".

> Bitter Apple is a safe, non-toxic repellent spray.

It's an AVERSIVE, ain't it, Dr.? Won't the puppy SEARCH
for sumpthin that AIN'T treated with aversives?

> Place it on your couch or shoes.

You mean instead of puttin your STUFF where
YOU LIKE IT and TRAIN the puppy not to touch.

> Tabasco sauce is another effective repellent,

Repelling AIN'T trainin.

> as some pets will even lick bitter apple.

That's curiHOWES. There's LOTS of dogs who LOVE
tobasco and hot mustard to boot <{}: ~ ) >

> EASE THEIR ANXIETY.

Ahhh, an EXXXCELLENT IDEA, seein as destructive
chewin is an anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISM
or TRAINsfer behavior caused when NORMAL NATURAL
INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE behaviors are IGNORED
AVOIDED or REPRESSED by well meaning ill trained
behaviorists:

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

> Anxious pets can be chewing pets.

LUCKY THING we can EXXXTINGUISH inapupriate chewin and
ALL inapupriate / undesirable behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE the self proclaimed university educated behavior
EXXXPERTS recommend.

>From your web page, Dr. Jones:

"Whenever she starts to chew on an unacceptable object, say no
sternly"

THAT will INCREASE anXXXIHOWESNESS.

"take the forbidden object away,"

The fastest way to teach ANY child or puppy to DO sumpthin
is to try to PREVENT THEM FROM DOIN SUMPTHIN.

" and replace it with the rubber ball or chew bone."

Ahhh, give  a REWARD for DOIN BAD STUFF.

                     LIKE THIS:

           Unconditional Love, Trust And Respect -

            The Alpha THEORY, - CRUCIFIED -

    A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill
    School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
    In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
    Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
    Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!

The Embry Study:

"While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase
the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on
the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples
of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the
chances of more inappropriate behavior.

Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with
their children about dashing into the street will likely to
have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe
behavior; they reward it."

Source:

"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to Preschoolers by
Parent  Training and Symbolic Modeling for Children: An
Experimental Analysis  in the Natural Environment. Research
Report Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."

          ---------------

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The
Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years
Experience.

From: Marilyn Rammell (marilynramm...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety (?) help needed!
Date: 1999/10/13

Hi Steve,

Just want to second Jerry's method for dealing with this -
I've suggested it to quite a few clients now and it's worked
'every' time.

It sounds a little 'amusing' I agree, but it really works.

Two of the occasions it's worked have been when the
owners were almost at the point of giving up (one had
actually put their dog into kennels for a few days so
that they could re-decorate the demolition done by the dog).

They rang me while the dog was still in kennels and were
not yet decided whether to collect the dog or not.

The very first time they tried Jerry's method, it worked.

Best of luck,
Marilyn Rammell

              ===============

Subject: To Jerry

1 From:  MarilynRammell
Date:  Tues, Aug 3 1999 3:00 am
Email:   "MarilynRammell" <marilynramm...@hotmail.com>
Groups:   rec.pets.dogs.behavior

Hello Jerry,

A client of mine asked to say a 'big thank you' to you.
They have a 8 month spaniel that they were about to get
rid of.

In fact they had put her into kennels for a few day while
they 'thought it through'.  They rang me the day before
they were due to collect her.

She had wrecked their home - everytime they left her she
destroyed something else.  The walls, the cabinets, the
carpets, table legs, chair legs, - anything and everything.

They collected her and brought her to me.  I gave them some
routine training exercises, and also I wrote out your advice
(I will say at this point that I was not sure about it at all,
and felt a little embarrassed - it was the advice about the
'toy dog that gets the praise for not making a mess'.

Anyway, this was 11 days ago and I heard nothing.  Yesterday
they turned up at the new Monday evening class.  They were
absolutely delighted.

They told me that after just one attempt, (your toy suggestion)
she 'stopped all the destruction'.  They were in tear of happiness
while telling me.

Thank you Jerry.
Respectfully,
Marilyn

                     ----------------

                AND LIKE THIS;

From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.  I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now.  It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already
know that.  Keep up the good work!

Hoku

                 -----------------------

                AND LIKE THIS:

"nesskay" <ness...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1156529540.182250.183510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

It has been a couple of months since we have initiated
Jerry Howe's recommendations for resolving the separation
anxiety in our chocolate lab. We have seen remarkable results.

She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with
all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke with
Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her without
her barking in a high pitch incessantly.

I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair
railing, putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the
bed so that she  could not get to the blind (again!). It would
take about 10-15 minutes of planning and moving things before
we could leave.

Even with that, she would find something to destroy. We NOW
use the surrogate toy method and can go out, shop, go to dinner
or whatever, without any problems.

She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic.

I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now.

Another problem that we had with her was although she would
not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several
places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame
this on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so
high that she just had no control. Now, the only time that she
has done that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!!

Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation
anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want
to speculate what could have happened with Amelia.

We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry.

We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog.
Your methods work. The others that we tried did not.

It is that simple!

Thank you, Thank you Thank you!

 Nancy and Amelia

                        -------

                AND LIKE THIS:

Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> anxiety surrogate toy technique."

> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it
> a try with my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault

Yves,

I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time.
I just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of a movie,
but at least the house wasn't chewed from end to end in the
meantime).

Yes, it really works.  :-)  So do the other distraction/
praise techniques described therein.

If you are interested in the manual, you will
probably want to begin the exercises as well.

Regards,
Lisa
                     -----------------

                        SEE?

> Bach Rescue remedy, can be used to decrease anxiety and calm your pet.

You mean, INSTEAD of simply EXXXTINGUISHING
anXXXIHOWESNESS behaviors caused by mishandling?

         "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
         indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

                   What is the use of compulsion then?

                The love and hate which are aroused
                 by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
                 do not yield to them.

                    They only obstruct the path," -
                         - Bhagavad Gita,
               adapted by Krishna with permission
               from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
               Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
               Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~ )  >

Ain't it curiHOWES HOWE a little open discussion can
someHOWE change HOWER life long held belief systems,
like HOWE some mommys recommend smothering their babies
into their breast if they bite while breastfeedin???

> Try it before you leave. Valerian, a sedative herb, can be given as a tincture
> of 1 drop per lb of body weight twice daily. A flower remedy using the plant
> Clemastis has also helped some pets. Place 10 drops of the flower remedy
> in your pet's water twice daily.

NOT NECESSARY if you don't CAUSE anXXXIHOWESNESS relief
mechanisms by repressing, avoiding, and punishing a dog's
normal natural innate instinctive reflexive behaviors, Dr.
Jones <{}: ~  ) >

> CRATE TRAIN.

Oh? You mean lock the dog in a box to AVOID normal natural innate
instinctive reflexive behaviors of the domestic puppy dog that
university trained behaviorists AIN'T GOT THE INTELLECT to HOWEtwit?

>  If the chewing can't be controlled then confine your pet.

That's ABSURD. Lockin dogs in boxes and ignoring their cries
CAUSES destructive chewin as a REPLACEMENT for deathly STRESS
INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES, obsesive compulsive disorders
and coprophagia:

>From your web pages:

"Coprophagia (stool eating) can be a normal behaviour in puppies. To
avoid this undesirable behaviour, be sure to clean up after your
puppy`s
bowel movements. If you also have a cat, be sure the cat's litter box
is i
naccessible to your puppy. Keeping the cat`s food and water in an
elevated place may also be necessary."

              THAT'S ABSURD.

Coprophagia is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, like lockin
puppys in boxes with no food water or toilet area and
ignoring their cries.

                      LIKE THIS:

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps

In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall

Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu>
> > tami sutherland <suthe...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>> However, there have been incidences where she has
>> growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
>>  were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
>
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELY
> pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
> sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!"  and hold
> her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
>
> If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
> will have to find another way to administer a prompt
> correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
> pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall

"Oops!  I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.

At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, professor of ANAL-ytic behavior, UofWI.

>  From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
>  Date: 1999/12/21
>  Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer

> > In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"
> > <j...@cfl.rr.com> writes:
>
> Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish your dog,
> do you find that he masturbates more frequently after
> such instances? (referring to your post about your dog
> using a pillow to get himself off)

First, I punish behavior, not dogs.

Second, I rarely issue corrections.

Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.

I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
such dog behavior offensive.

Eating dog poop, for me, is another story. And the rate
of that behavior has also diminished with time. :-)

--Marshall

              ------------

Poop eatin is CAUSED by your ineffective inapupriate
miserable stinkin bribing crating and HOWEsbreakin
methods and can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.

LIKE THIS:

Here's FIVE cases of COPROPHAGIA CURED NEARLYEXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE these pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES PREFER:

From: lolajo...@webtv.net (lolajo...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: My greyhound becoming bully of dogpark,help?
Date: 2004-01-07 01:15:04 PST

What is wrong with "The Puppy Wizard"?

I know his posts are a little wacky but his sound
distraction technique has worked very well for me.
After using traditional training with mixed results,

I was able to stop my dog from jumping up, eating
poop, begging from the table and excessive barking
using his methods.

Lolajoker.

            --------------

Subject:        to Jerry Howe
From:           MArtog
Date:           Wed, Jan 17 2001 12:51 pm
Email:          MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>

Just wanted to say thanks. The method you told me
to stop my dog from eating my other Labs sh-t in
the backyard has worked well. She has also improved
greatly when off leash out in the woods.

She still sniffs (ofcourse), but I rarely need to stop
her from anything else. I've always been diligent about
watching her, and cleaning up the yard, but ya just
can't be there every second. And she is quick!

So, thanks again for the advice.

I feel more confident now when I turn my back.

And to all you folks going yea, sure, right.

THIS IS NOT A TROLL POST.

HE gave me advice. It worked. Plain and simple.

Nothing more, nothing less.

So Jerry, allthough I don't lurk here, I'm sure
you're still putting up with DogButt and his ilk.

So good keep up the good work!

Off course DogButt will read this, even thoe it doesn't
have his name on it. Cause he thinks he owns the group.

So to you DogButt.........Well,,,,never mind.

You're already a loser. I don't need to tell you that.

Please feel free to correct my spelling/grammer, etc.
Yes, goodbye, good riddance, blah blah blah.

Later.....
MArtog

      ----------------------------

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog eats poo!
Date: 2000-12-05 00:40:48 PST

I used sound distraction to stop my 2 dogs eating cow poo
during walkies. I posted here a while ago explaining how I
managed to control them from eating it but there were a lot
of sceptics.  If your interested I'll be glad to tell you
what worked for me, just let me know and I'll post a thread
on this NG.

Paul
             --------

From:           Paul B
Date:           Sat, Oct 21 2000 2:18 am
Email:          "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>

The sound distraction and praise method he uses is VERY effective,
I use those techniques on my dogs and the results are great.  From
teaching a dog to recall to preventing unwanted behaviours (sh.t
eating, eating the cats food, growling when taking a bone from a
dog, jumping up, even escaping from the property, any behaviour).

To say sound distraction and praise methods don't work is pure
ignorance.

I can understand you not liking Jerry and being pissed off with
the posts he submits but please keep things in context and don't
slam a technique just because you can't stand the person suggesting
using it.

Paul.

               ------------

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would

relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.

You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

         -----------------------

From:           Paul

Date:           Wed, Dec 6 2000 12:00 am
Email:          "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>

I'm not exactly sure why Jerry is saying to ignore me, it's his
advice that I found was the most successful.  During walks in a
particular park the dogs would come across fresh cow pats and
munch away happily.

To stop this I'd set them up, I'd find a nice fresh cow turd and
stand next to it, when the dogs came over and saw it they would
start to munch, at the onset of this I'd chuck a throw chain near
the dog to distract it and praise straight away, the reason for
the praise is the dog stops eating as soon as it hears the distraction
so I'm praising that behaviour, the not eating.

I'd set them up again and repeat, but make the sound come from
a  different direction, maybe the first time chuck the chain to
the right of the dog, the next time to the left, then behind etc,
it's the randomness that is effective and always sincerely praise
immediately.

Now when I walk through the park they leave the turds alone,
they aren't interested in them anymore due to the distraction
training.  Don't let the dog know that you made the sound, the
sound just "occurs" this is important as it removes "you" out
of the problem.

Paul

                     --------------------

Subject:       Sweet Coprophagia

From: Lynn
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 10:01 pm
Email: roudyre...@yahoo.com (Lynn)

I hate to be in such agreement all the time, but am excited
about Coco the Rotti we have boarded here. Yes she made my
job easier (no poo to pick up) as at her home she eats poo
due to major anxiety and being punished with a stick for it.
She was living on it just about.

It was gross, and she is a beautiful dog.

I decided to change this. It has taken 6 days for HER to
get an appetite and I PICK up poo now. We have yard kennels
here, so it's hard to catch every dog doing everything. I
took all the pressure off her. SHE is using a dog house,
not cowering at her gate. SHE is breaking the habit of body
blocking me so I cannot leave her area. SHE is now playing
ike a normal doggie.

What did I do?  Not much. Just ask as the other's are doing,
and be patient. Not making a big deal out of behavior she is
used to being punished for.

I can snap a finger now to distract her, and say "Coco
back good girl"  I move into Hot and Cold on a bad day.
The owner just got done putting up a security door due
to her taking out the old one. The dog has quit blocking
me from getting in my door when out for play. My job is
getting easier, it's a pain to be rushed by a pack of
dogs all trying to come in.

Call the dogs puppets, they don't care!

Lynn

                --------------------------

From:           MArtog
Date:           Thurs, Jan 18 2001 7:51 am
Email:          MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>
In article <3A65FE5F.70D8D...@Rosenblatt.com>,

Jos...@Rosenblatt.com wrote:
> Ummm OK
> and if you didn't want Dog'butt' or anyone else to
> raad it.. why didn't you just email Jerry your thanks?
> I smell a rat....
> Bye Bye

Last reply/post from me just to explain to Joshua.
Then I'm outta here(yippee).

No I was not trying to TROLL. I wanted to post a
thank you to Jerry. That's it. Never said I didn't

want anyone else to read it. I did say that I knew
DogButt would read it even thoe it wasn't for him.
He thinks everything in here is his business.

So he had to post some childish response because he
can't help it. He is sooo predictable. He will read
this too and again post a childish response. If he
doesn't, it will show a strength of will that I don't
believe he has.

Not trying to be a rat or anything else. I clearly said
what I wanted to say about Jerry's help with my dog problem.

It is sad that this group is still so antagonistic all the time.

There is a lot of knowledge here, but it is rarely
disseminated in a kindly manner. Most newbies get
ran off in fairly short order, and go over to r.p.d.breeds
where people are much freindlier. Seems like most
posters in here have been around each other too long.

Some sort of internet cabin fever or something (IMHO).

Anyway, I won't be reading your's or DogButt's reply. So feel
free to go at each other's throats as usual,flame me and my
post, whatever.

Again, thanks Jerry and all of you have a nice day......well except
you DogButt!

Maybe Jerry can help you stop eating sh-t!

BYE!

        ------------

> Dogs often feel more secure in a small, more confined space.

With all due respect, that's a load of crap, Dr.
Dogs GO INSANE when locked in a box with no food
water or toilet area <{}: ~ ( >

Let's start off with the FIRST premise: There AIN'T
NO TRAININ gonna happen locked in a box or in the
basement, Dr. Jones.

The SECOND premise is: HOWEsbreakin IS a
critter's MOST NORMAL NATURAL INNATE
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE TERRORTORIAL
IMPERATIVE second only to SURVIVAL and
PRYOR to procreation.

THIRD premise: Locking dogs in boxes, basements
or an empty "puppy proof" room to HOWEsbreak them
teaches them their BOX is their HOWES and your
HOWES is their terrortory to FHOWEL <{}: ~ (  >

Fourth premise: There's ONLY TWO *(2) reasons HOWE
COME a dog or kat would have HOWEsbreakin problems:

1. He's SICK.

OR

2. He's UNHAPPY.

FIFTH premise: Lockin dogs in boxes INCREASES
anXXXIHOWESNESS and CAUSES EXXXCESSIVE barking,
whining, crying, digging, spinning, chewing,
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, fear of thunder, car
sickness, self mutilation, coprophagia, shyness,
aggression and ALL obsessive compulsive disorders,
and ALL stress induced AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES
includin seizures, aka, The Puppy Wizard's
Syndrome <{): ~ (  >

>  Begin by only leaving your pet for a short time, no more than 1 hour,

Oh? You're gonna SNEAK UP on anXXXIHOWESNESS behaviors?

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

> gradually increasing the time away. The maximum time should be 4 hours.

THAT'S ABSURD. If a puppy at 8 weeks of age can CON-TRAIN
hisself for 8 HOWERS a night, HOWE COME wouldn't it likeWIZE
apply to 8 HOWERS a day, if he's not bein stimulated?

Subject:   In defense of Jerry Howe's methods

1 From:  Deltones
Date:  Wed, Nov 30 2005 3:30 pm
Email:   "Deltones" <vibrov...@hotmail.com>

I've had my JR puppy for close to a month now (She's 3 mo),
and I want to say that I believe in Jerry Howe's method for
training my dog. I hate how he makes Webster cry with his
way of writing, and the fact he quotes every damn posts written
since the Big Bang in every replies he does.

A lot of you consider their dogs as a part of your family, but
I read so many posts about screaming, choking, shocking,
pinching, beating the living crap out of your dogs that I wonder
why some of you have them at all. Do you raise your kids that
way, or you raise them with kindness to the best of your abilities?

Yes, Jerry's online personnality totally sucks, and he would be
better served by having his Wit's End document speak for itself
and reply to people with the same kind of eloquence he shows
in his manual.

Unfortunately he doesn't, and as a result, the majority of people
here tuned him out. If you hate the messenger, don't disregard his
message, and do yourself the favor of downloading his manual and
read it at least once. Your dog deserves it.

Like previously stated, I have a 3 mo Jack Russell, and a lot
of people think these dogs become totally insane when left alone.

Mine has the full run of the house when I'm at work already.

Why?

Because she did go totally insane when I left her in her crate,
crapping on herself in the process. It was not fun.

I followed Jerry's advice and did the "Separation Anxiety"
method in the manual, and my house has not been destroyed.

Dog happier, house not destroyed?

That's all I needed to know.

If you're wondering, nope, she's not housebroken yet, and I
do come back with her business on the floor. Winter is starting
here in Montreal and she really hates going outside in the cold
(sorry Jerry, it's really not instinctive in her), so I know I will
have some difficulties with the housebreaking process.

Do I get frustrated to have to wash the floor every day?

Yeah I do, but I try my best not to show it to the dog. That's
the small price I decided to pay to have that small furball in
my life. I'm confident she'll get the hang of it, but I know that
it's not going to happen with kicking and screaming.

Tune out Jerry if you want if he doesn't make sense to you.
But give his Wit's End manual a good look, because when
he wrote it at that point in his life, he did.

              ------------

             AND LIKE THIS:

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound.  We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be  left home  alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better.  We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't
getting the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them.  Yes, there's alot of blame that we
have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these
problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

                   --------------------------

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.

You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

         -----------------------

Here's TWO pups HOWEsbroken since DAY WON
at 8 weeks and a couple other CASE HISTORIES:

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-15 12:28:54 PST

Alan,

The puppy wizard calls it as he sees it.

He isn't PC and that pisses people off.

The fact is that I have used his FREE
methods and they DO in fact work.

What a crock of sh.t relating his methods
to a science experiment.

Yes, the man is a cross posting menace
and has proly smoked too many batts in
his day but he has the canine species best
interest at heart and doesn't profit from his
point of view.

He is a selfless advocate for dogs and
that's enough for me to respect the man
no matter how controversial he gets.

Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.

Mike

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
>
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works  like a charm. My dogs get distracted easy
from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost
people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and
Rescue Team Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left
over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog. Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what?
I was at my "Whits End" then someone I
knew turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks.

The first night home following Jerrys advice
we ditched the crate and put the pup on the
floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers
NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR
6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

                  -----------------------

Show Dog Bark Wrote:
Date:  Mon, Oct 3 2005 9:25 pm

Hi Jerry,
It is now 1:130 A.M. and I just finished reading your manual.
Of course I will need to read it many more times in order to
apply the techniques when I get a dog.

I found it even better than I thought it would be and I had
high expectations for it.

It is absolutely new , original, TOTALLY overdue for the world
to learn about to stop all the violence, fear and abuse. It is
interesting how they have us in a SPELL ( source peoples emotional
language legacy) and even with the best of intentions while doing
these awful techniques that feel violent and inside the heart
recoils from doing them, there is the little voice that say's
'But it is for the dog's good' and so I have to get tough and
not be a sissy and give in to the horror I am seeing in the dog
and feeling that in my moral compass this feels wrong, and yet
continue to betray myself and the dog because all the "experts"
who say they love dogs ALL agree that I must do this and what
do I know, they say they love dogs they are " love covered in
fur" as Uncle Matty say's. He loves dogs to say this so I must
be too soft hearted to recoil from what obviously is my duty
toward the dog.

You really broke the spell for me.

It is ground breaking work and I am exited to absorb it as in
the first reading there are so many oh wow moments that the
exercises need to be studied at another time as the impact of
the first reading makes it so mind altering that the emotional
response of FINALLY SOME SANITY is so strong that the
details of 'the how' to needs for me to be studied later many
times to internalize it so it is done correctly.

Thank you for the amazing manual.
Go jolly,

                --------------------------

Show Dog Bark Wrote:
Date: Sat, Aug 19 2006 2:06 am

Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful personality,
genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with Jerry a couple of times
a week about his progress and fine tuning his training. Blue
sits, heels, is totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down',
stay and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.

He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full of puppy
love. He loves walking in the forest trails and swimming in
the cool and refreshing lake. His 'daddy' takes him for his
final walk every evening at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He
sleeps till 7 A.M.

It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting up
for a pee pee a few times with him. In the first few weeks I
had to take him out at night, but now he is able to sleep all
night. He is like a tranquilizer.

I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius, as he is so clever
and obedient.

He tells me this is the nature of a dog that has not been abused.

Blue is super good looking and so smart. He learned to sit weeks ago.
When he needs to go outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I have noticed using
Jerry's methods is that Blue is very calm.

Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have bad habits. Blue
only plays with his toys. He knows the difference between his toys
and furniture and does not nip.

I was surprised that he does not want to go on the furniture. He likes
to play on the floor and outside. We sit outside together and he sits
by where I am reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are impressed with his
manners.

Show Dog Bark

                --------------------

BlueMoon wrote:

Hello MOCrab (aka blackvomit) aka jim tindale,

Well, I'd take your advice and go thru the killfile as you have
recommended below, but Jerry's system Is WORKING wonders
with these two puppies in a matter of days. He may be abusive
and short-tempered with some people out there because, quite
frankly, I think he cares more  about the dogs that the owner's
feelings and feels so strongly about it, it's aggravating to have
"experts" discount his methods.

My husband just got back from taking these 15 week old pups
for a walk, who now respond remarkably well to the "Zena-Zoey-
sit-good-girl!" phrase now when only said once no matter where
they are.

They also respond to the come here command. We trained them
(granted, out of order of the instructions) with the pennies
in the cans only two days ago to come to us when called.

I've since backtracked to do the exercises in the proper order.

They are calm and well-behaved and impress the Hell out of
anyone who sees them. "You're kidding, they're only 14 weeks
old and they are THAT well behaved?"

Yessiree Bob, they are, and we've only had them for 12
days and have been training them (correctly  for 3 days.

We still have more training exercises to do, but why fix something
if  it's not broken???? These dogs are happy, we don't have to yell
at or scold them, they are learning to be secure and to pay attention
to us for approval and not out of fear.

I can only assume some might be threatened by this manual's
methods because it goes against all human logic on how to train
a dog. It certainly didn't make any sense to me, but I thought what
the heck, try it (even tho I still have to remind myself what to do
because my previous limited experiences with dog training were
SO DIFFERENT to the point that I almost felt like I needed to take
my brain out of my head and put it back in backwards!!!.....).....

BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!

How in the world could someone just "make
something up" and it WORK?>??>?

My husband was very doubtful about this method when I
told him I wanted to try this. His dad was a vet, and certainly
didn't use these methods with the parade of dogs they had as
kids. But now even HE has to admit we're doing something
right here, as our stress and frustration levels have lowered
and EVERYONE is much happier around here, especially t
he dogs!

I really don't think people are used to the notion that you can
train a dog and it NOT be stressful or difficult. It's easy IF you
do it just like the manual says. It might be easier for some to
NOT do it now and go with the concept of control rather than
respect and understanding, because that's the way WE are used
to thinking  and heaven forbid WE change OUR way of thinking
and admit we've done some counterproductive things in the past, right?

The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks volumes and
discounts what anyone tells me otherwise. This Wit's End manual
is now in a binder and we're sticking with it.

BlueMoon

                  ------------------------

Subject:   In defense of Jerry Howe's methods

7 From:  Paul B
Date:  Wed, Dec 7 2005 6:02 am
Email:   Paul B <u...@example.com>

Deltones wrote:
> I've had my JR puppy for close to a month now
> (She's 3 mo), and I want

Reading through all the replies to your post everyone misses
the key point and I think even you haven't picked up on it yet Denis.

The WEDTM trains the dog such that it "wants" to do what
you ask it. It actually desires to walk by your side (to heel)
or whatever else you ask, it enjoys the interactions between
you and it that's why a choke, prong, shock, halite, harness
or martingale collar is not required, the dog will perform the
same with or without a lead.

So I fail to comprehend the comments or arguments that this
collar or that collar is ok, as far as I'm concerned a collar meets
the authorities legal requirement that a dog must be leashed in
certain public places not as a source of control, therefore a loose
fitting standard collar is fine after all it's only for show not
control.

As far as training the dog,  a loose fitting standard collar is fine
because the WEDT uses communication as the training tool,
combined with a regimented training regime that ensures the
dog has succeeded in each stage of training before progressing.

As far as the arguments or comments dogs can be scared
of sound distractions, I've never had a problem, a sound
distraction can be a small stone thrown on the pavement,
a shake can, the crack of a leash or the snap of your fingers
as long as it's varied and you follow with praise there's never
a problem, also it's not just sound, any distraction is fine, I've
used a cloth as a visual distraction which is every bit as effective
as a sound provided you follow through with praise.

I've read a lot of criticisms of the WEDT but it's always by
people who don't understand it so the criticism is invalid as
you can't criticise what you don't (or in some cases refuse to)
understand.

One last comment, if someone was to research dog training,
find the best techniques and methods for achieving certain
criteria from all the different sources available and eventually
create a training technique based on all this research, don't
you think it would hold some validity, combining what they
had experienced through years of trial and error to finally
achieve a method that gave the most effective results.

I would have thought someone with that ability and experience
to be one smart cookie, someone worth listening to. But it seems
others disagree.

All the techniques and methods suggested on this newsgroup
are someone else's idea, it's how they are pieced together that
creates the method so everyone is guilty of using someone
else's idea like it or not.

Paul

                     -----------------------------

Paul B <pand...@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c638e36@clear.net.nz...

  > > > "James Roberts" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
  > > > news:3C637444.20DD6735@privacy.net...
  >
  > > I have downloaded and have read Jerry's
  > > Wit's End document. Ignoring what you
  > > think of his participation, what is your
  > > assessment of the merits of his techniques?

Hello James,

I have used his recommended techniques and
ideas with greatsuccess, and over the period
I've used these methods the more I've become
to understand and appreciate how his methods
work and how effective they can be if carried
out correctly.

His manual isn't conventional and as such
gets critisized and misunderstood. The basic
concept is to allow the dog to choose whatever
behaviour it wants for any situation but to
distract (and immediately praise ) it from
behaviours we deem undesirable, because of
the correctly timed distractions repeated
usually about 4 times (in each location) the
dog decides of it own accord that this behaviour
is undesriable and therefore pursues something
else, if that behaviour is also inappropriate
to us then we carry on distracting, very soon
the dog finds a behaviour that is mutually acceptable.

The benefits of this type of approach are
numerous, Firstly we aren't challenging
the dog so there is no conflict so the dog
does't develop any possible negativity to
us, the dog decides of it own free will that
a behaviour is unsatisfying so chooses to
cease it (in other words even if we are gone
the dog won't have any desire to pursue that
behaviour i.e. bin raiding etc).

I would recommend his manual.

Paul

          ---------------

"I Am Willing To Take Jerry's Theory On
How Dogs Think As A Likely One, Simply
Because The Dog Training Methodology
He Describes (Based On His Suppositions)
Works So Well," Lisa B.

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at
UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS
face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation," dermer PRYOR to gettin JERRYIZED:

Subject:   Jerry's Dog Training Manual

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST

In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-re­p.ab.videon.ca>

"Jenn" <d...@try.it> writes:
> Hi Lynn,
> I used to have a barking problem with my
> German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago.
> I tried several things recommended to me by
> different trainers, and nothing was working.
> When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
> I thought the same way you did.

> "What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
> counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
> I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.

> Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
> such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
> the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
> will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
> but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
> to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
> Jenn,

Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????

 As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.

Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.

Thanks in advance!

--Marshall Dermer

PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.

              ------------------

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST

In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca>

"Jenn" <d...@try.it> writes:
> Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about
> me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
> as I love reading your posts, and value (and
> have used) some of your advice.

BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!

> As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting
> to get a plain answer about something instead
> of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
> done.
> Jenn Standring

I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.

You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!

--Marshall

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

    --Marshall

      Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
       Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
                    http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
       "Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

Subject:   Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)

26 From:  Marshall Dermer -
Date:  Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email:   der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)

In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@posting.google.com>
mattburns...@yahoo.com (Matthew Burnside) writes:

Dear Matt:

Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.

My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.

--Marshall

PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
   posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
   is about Jerry.

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.

        *(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED  CASE}
         HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
         INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
         DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)

    Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
    Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
    Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201

             der...@uwm.edu   http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

  "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
              myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_

              YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                       BUSINESS.

                      LIKE THIS:

"Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
Tracy,

What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!

This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.

 The next time it thundered, he did not even
 react at all--you could not tell it was the same
 dog as before.

There was more thunder just the other day,
and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all,
it was that simple.

I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.

Wonderfully.

Praise.

It's that simple.

Juanita

          -----------------------

             AND LIKE THIS:

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma."

              -----------

             AND LIKE THIS:

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...

Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
it went something like this with our 11 month old
puppy "Yoshi"

Yoshi: Bark, bark,

us: HUSH Youshi

Yoshi Bark, bark......................

us: Hush Youshi

Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, .................................

it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking

We decided to try the Jerry method:

Yoshi:  BARK, BARK

US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?

Yoshi Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them

Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that

I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this

Thanks Jerry

ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much.
--
Best Regards,

Estel J. Hines

       ------------------------

           AND LIKE THIS:

"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
news:2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@posting.google.com...

Hello everyone! We have a 2 1/2 year old male

Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard info,
so I haven't actually started to train yet.

Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey was going
balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see  who it is,
and off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,  Good Boy.

Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical look, and came
and sat beside my feet!

OMG, I could not believe it!

I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)

Brandy

       -----------------------

          AND LIKE THIS:

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.  I never
trained or owned a dog before this year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded with
Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to stop barking
in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the whole
time we had him, about 10 months, but his earlier life is
unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30 minutes
when he suddenly "got it".  After that he came to me
every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him not to bark.
If he now starts to bark, I go to the door or window, say
"Good Boy, its' alright" and he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans out again to
reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal and he is very
eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on, I have to
believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence

               ------------

             AND LIKE THIS:

From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website

Hi Buzzsaw

Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!

I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues  ..ugh

I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.

Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.

Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!

the first time I ask.

Best of Luck to you,

Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.

Cheers
Barb

          ------------------

"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.

> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> that this may not work and so distraction
> is recommended as a back up procedure:
> There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!

Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{}: ~ ) >

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

Here's professor marshall dermer, Department of
ANAL-ytic BehaviorISM at UofWI AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent=AD,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts =ADto
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you  try
to keep your messages short for most readers
may refuse to read a long message  even if it
is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.

I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

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         Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
         Any Situation  And  The  Foundation Is Built On Trust
         And Understanding.

         I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them
         they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once
         I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from
         me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and
         they always are, always.

        Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good
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        Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
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        I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
        sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all,
        all dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they
        are good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.

        Telling Sam he's a good dog AFTER he sit's apart from
        been too late is also a gamble because if he doesn't
        sit then there's no positive interaction.
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                   and the daughter against her mother,
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                    As long as man is ruling man,
                 there will be animals (and humans!)
                      abused and neglected. :-(
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look at us we're beautiful - 28 May 2007 23:21 GMT
How would you break a dog when he keeps going out of the fence?

nothing you have said works, what should we do?
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@HotMail.Com - 29 May 2007 00:52 GMT
HOWEDY brryprrsh,

On May 28, 6:21 pm, look at us we're beautiful <brrypr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> How would you break a dog when he keeps going out of the fence?

That's EZ! Dogs, kats, goats and horses are terrortorial critters of
HABIT, by NATURE. THAT'S HOWE COME they can be perimeter
trained NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE the so called
EXXXPERTS recommend <{}: ~ ) >

> nothing you have said works, what should we do?

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                              LIKE THIS:

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then.

She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.

Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia

From: Mark Shaw (m...@bangnetcom.com)
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST
In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrn­­­­sc53>,

"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@home.com> wrote:
>Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
>If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?

If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system, I have
one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.

> I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing --
> more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with owners
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> props on the fence for a peek over it.  No avail.
> I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.

I take it you're considering running the wire across the top
of the fence?  I don't think I'd recommend that, although it
may be worth a try.  Watch closely -- the one case where I saw
a hotwire used in this fashion caused the dog undue stress and
frustration, and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
So be prepared to take it down right away.

That was a Dane, though.  With a Saint things might be
different.
--
Mark Shaw

culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for standin
behind their SHOCK FENCE just like HOWE
liea's dog attacked her only friend and
tried to attack two little kids for standin
in her SHOCK ZONE:

Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing
bark alert, while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST

Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.

       ------------------------------­­­­--

>  how effective are these electronic fences in
>  keeping a dog on a property????

Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.

Just hides under a desk in the house.

                         ------------------

                Oooops! Wrong cites!

                 Here, TRY THESE:

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:

> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P  So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv..  at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30"  within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes,  I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda.  It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids.  I and my boys still miss her.  Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

                    ---------------

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
                           ---------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news
16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

                ---------------

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

               --------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12208-3BB67479-427@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

Hi Cathy!

Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person..

I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes
(not lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.

Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the
neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs.  An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.

I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped
down my throat.  Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.

The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.

Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry
treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.

I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break
will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.

Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started
applying Jerry's methods.  One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D

I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems
needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks.  I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.

If you want my phone number, e-mail me.  We would have to
set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.

~misty

                   =============

From: Nevyn (greatd...@badmama.com.au)
Subject: Re: radio fence
Date: 2003-11-05 04:17:45 PST

Hi folks,

In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of
time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob
who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.

At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area
(Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services
building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to
the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).

This works well, because then when people buy them the dogs
are easier to boundary train to a door or fence or yard.

However on a personal note, my two shelter mutts, who I
trained using the WITS END DOG MANUAL available at
www.doggydoright.com will not go past the back door, or the
back gate or the front gate without permission.

And it is nice, for when you are having a party, you can leave
your gates open for people, and your dogs won't be the least
concerned.

I find this better then spending your well earned money on a
piece of junk Why not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new
house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a nursery for a child?

Save your money. Train your dog. Please. -- Thankyou,
                 Nevyn

Nevyn E.D. Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@badmama.com.au
"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment
of animals"
         ___________________________

"Nevyn" <greatd...@badmama.com.au> wrote in message

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs  2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON  A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

         --------------------

>From : "Nevyn" <ali...@wasp.net.au>

Subject : Your Dog

Date :
Fri, 17 May 2002 19:15:55 +0800

Hi Bud;

I hope you haven't put your dog to sleep yet. I was having
the exact same problem as you. You have to listen to me,
and listen to Jerry. He KNOWS what he`s talking about.

I have two bitches that were always fighting... one not
aggressive and the other very aggressive... All I did was
take Jerry's manual and used several training techniques
on them, individually, for a month, and then together, in
a park or other non-home environment.

They are now the perfect dogs.

REMEMBER You have to TRUST your dog... your dog
knows when your thinking OH NO You might bite someone
so you have to stay outside!

He KNOWS, Bud. So he becomes annoyed. Just like people.

Ok?

Don`t be anxious around him, he can sense that to!  If
you are calm, he is calm. Same with your smaller dog.

There is no need to put him to sleep! That is cruel -- If
you can`t handle him, take him to Jerry, and he will fix
him within 2 hours, and you will have a near perfect dog.

Of course ALL dogs have their quirks and habits, just like
all people, Bud, but the aggressiveness and undesirable
behaviour is EASILY fixed.

You just have to learn how.

Start with your more aggressive dog, on the leash in the
front yard, and perform Jerry's HOT AND COLD exercise.
Then take him out the back and practice the recall exercises.

IT WORKS BUD.

Its not miraculous, but you'll see the differences within a
matter of days. DON'T NEGLECT YOUR LITTLE DOG,
for he will egg the bigger dog on --- even if you don't notice
it, to get attention -- remember, dogs want attention, whether
it be GOOD or BAD ATTENTION, Bud.

If your dog barks at someone walking past your house -
- don't yell at him!! He is protecting you! Simply go to
the back door and say GOOD BOY!! Its nothing wrong!

And smile at him.

HE'S DOING HIS JOB PROPERLY, YOU JUST HAVE
TO TEACH HIM WHEN TO BARK AND WHEN NOT
TO!!!!  BUT NOT by abusing him! Praise him for everything
he does --- EVERYTHING! If you were learning your times
tables in school and you got a number wrong would you like
to learn them all if your teachers and parents beat you and
yelled at you and locked you up if u simply made ONE MISTAKE?

You`d become a psychopath, wouldn't you, Bud?

Same with dogs, Bud!

Just remember, if your anxious, he´ll be anxious. So be perfectly
calm with him, and TRUST HIM!!!! Trial and error, Bud, until
he learns what the best way is. It wont take more then a few weeks,
Bud, but you have to work with them at the least every second day...
preferably every day.

Any more questions, Ill be happy to respond.

Nevyn

              --------------

Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive
had with your training manual! My two mutts have
gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well
behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND
My friends have seen the success and have asked
me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female
today and she was being an angel after like an hour
of working with her! it is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

         ================

Nevyn" <ali...@wasp.net.au> wrote in message
news:fde575d9.0209090337.34fb7ee2@posting.google.com...

Hi There Jerry

Its Nevyn. Sorry Ive not been posting, but I've been
working weekend work at the tracks with the greyhounds
(thanks to you!).

Well my dogs are the envy of all on my street.
I can have them out in the yard with me, take
them walking without a leash, they will do any
command with no hesitation. And they don't
bark anymore! Thanks to your machine!

Oh yeah, I loaned your machine to several friends
and family -- Here are some reports:

"I would say my dogs are well trained, but they suffer
severe anxiety when no body is home. This machine
quietened them almost instantly - still they barked, in
the beginning, but just one or two barks.

Then slowly they just stopped... beginning to bark,
then instantly stopping.

It took only 2 weeks, and we did nothing.

Truly amazing;

I have recommomeded it to my family, and perhaps
they will buy one. Its a shame you don't sell them publicly".

-- Kylie, 30, on dogs Lili (11 yr mutt bitch) and Sheeba (4 yr Rotty
X)

"My two dogs barked insanely when someone would
go past. With this little machine they quietened right
down, and even became partly obedient, and we
did nothing!

Great stuff.

We ran it only on the lowest setting, too!"
- Ed, 65, on his two male Dobermans, 5 yrs old.

Well I have some more, and am collecting more,
but I only have one machine so its a slow process.
Once again I say thankyou Jerry! My family was
on the verge of giving them up! :(

But no longer :)

Nevyn.

                  ================

Subject: < BEFORE ->  "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
                     No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER ->  "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
           A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
           Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
           Dog Lovers.

          'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
          A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

> Subject:  Re: Fritz---a retrospective
> Date: 02/05/1999
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of sh.t you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

  tommy sorenson aka not so handsome, not so gentle, not
  so manly jackass morrison of sorenson's Retrievers SEZ:

        At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
        dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
        *not* constitute a "beating."

And then he sez:

"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.  Yep, really lean into it.

Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.

Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.

If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.

When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee.  Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."

I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training.  That is, she just
needs *more* of it."

You mean like HOWE when you HOWEsbreak a dog an
you beat IT with a switch or heavy man's leather belt and
tie him next to his evil deed and return to BEAT HIM every
twenty minutes, tommy?

"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.

A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Okay.  Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters.  Saving lives and making dogs
become good citizens"

Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab

Get this book:

"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete

If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).

You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.

And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman

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From: osi...@deltaville.net (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700

Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:

I have a four year old male GSD.  He growls at me sometimes.
When he growls at me he stares me in the face and lays his
ears back.

The New Skete books say that the dog should not be allowed
to do that.  They suggest shaking down the dog by grabing
the dog on the sides of his neck and picking him off his
front feet, then giving the dog the same sort of treatment
the dog would give another if it were challenging him.

Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.

Well, my dog bit me clearl