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She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with allergies and now she will not let it heal. > She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with > allergies and now she will not let it heal. ........have you tried Bendryl? buglady take out the dog before replying >> She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with >> allergies and now she will not let it heal. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying Yes we have.. But nothing has worked to date. I'll try and get my girlfriend to do post a few more details later. Thanks,  SignatureJeff http://tinyurl.com/8sz9r In January my 3 year old Ginger and White cat, Tynes, went missing following some snow. I'd advertised for his return but got only vauge sighting in response. Two weeks ago ( beginning of June) however I was contacted about such a cat breaking into houses through catflaps and stealing food, about a mile from my house on the other side of the village. After a lot of trouble we have now last night trapped the cat (who has aquired a PhD in Escapology and Entrapment Avoidance) and it shows almost identical markings to my cat confirmed by photographs, though is rather thin. At first I was sure it was Tynes. But not quite now - in that some of this cats white fur areas are just slightly larger, and a couople of small ginger spots on his face have dissapeared. All my cat's other distinctive marks are there ( Broad chubby face, off centre white nose streak, Ginger spot on left leg, a thin white band over scruff of the neck etc etc) Otherwise, build, size, eye colour, ears etc etc are the same. Though very hard to catch in the neighbour's houses, he has apparently settled into my house, almost as if he knows it. ( he has not been allowed out yet) He has probably been living rough as he is very dirty and rather thin now. THE QUESTION TO THE GROUP IS ====== After a winter moult, or perhaps poor diet during the last few months, how likely is it for a cat's "definitive" colour pattern to change in these subtle ways? Is this Tynes ? -- or do I need to rename him ??? Clive With apologies for posting this to a few other Cat groups too > THE QUESTION TO THE GROUP IS ====== > > After a winter moult, or perhaps poor diet during the > last few months, how likely is it for a cat's "definitive" colour > pattern to change in these subtle ways? The barn cats in our area go through stunning changes in their coats over the seasons. I never before knew that cats could change their color so much, especially when they are young. I have seen orange tabbies turn almost completely white. Thanks Bearclaw, Apparently the same with breed rabbits. Getting more familiar withe the cat today - I have to admit that I'm still unsure if it is Tynes or not, though it's that close a call, even with old and good photos of Tynes. So many characteristic markings are identical - it's only slight differences in size of the marks, and a few of the lighterginger tinges which have altered or gone. Body size and structure is the same, though he is very thin and dirty now. He seemed to show some recognition of the house, and does not scratch or bite me, but is still very nervous and is hiding when he can. He's in a large room now, on his own, for a few days to let him settle down Thanks for your input - this colour change thing over the moulting period is a question I've never thought of before! Clive ================================ > > THE QUESTION TO THE GROUP IS ====== > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > so much, especially when they are young. I have seen orange tabbies turn > almost completely white. When my Brandy did this I bought Grannicks Bitter Apple and used it on the spot. It's made just for this purpose and works with most dogs. The stuff taste absolutely horrible but is not toxic to the dog. If she has it raw I would apply it with your fingertips around the area and not spray it directly onto it since it might sting some. You'll have to apply it numerous time during the day most likely but I found it works great. If you can't find it locally at the pet store or feed mill I would look online at Petco I know they carry it. Celeste > She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with > allergies and now she will not let it heal. Unfortunately, my dog has not found anything she doesn't like, including the bitter apple and several other brands of nasty stuff. Basically, I believe I need to rig something up around the foot or her neck to deter the chewing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spot" <noSPAMme@somewhere.net> Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: Dog Chewing her leg... Help... > When my Brandy did this I bought Grannicks Bitter Apple and used it on the > spot. It's made just for this purpose and works with most dogs. The [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with >> allergies and now she will not let it heal. > When my Brandy did this I bought Grannicks Bitter Apple and used it on the > spot. It's made just for this purpose and works with most dogs. The [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with >> allergies and now she will not let it heal. > She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with > allergies and now she will not let it heal. So what have you tried? Benedryl? Temeril-p? Vet wrap? Elizabethan collar? Liquid metronidazole? What does the vet suggest? Tried benedryl, and prescription version of it, E-collar and the other type that fits like a neck brace, steroids, cortisone shots and cream, several brands of nasty tasting liquid to deter her from licking it. Nothing has been successful. The collars work for about two days until she figures out she can stretch her leg far enough to get it in front of her if she's lying down. I have alternated the two collars because it takes a day or so each time until she figures out she can get around it again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Lancaster" <kay@hub.fern.com> Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Dog Chewing her leg... Help... >> She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with >> allergies and now she will not let it heal. > > So what have you tried? Benedryl? Temeril-p? Vet wrap? Elizabethan > collar? > Liquid metronidazole? What does the vet suggest? >> She continues to chew on the same spot. The vet predicts it started with >> allergies and now she will not let it heal. > > So what have you tried? Benedryl? Temeril-p? Vet wrap? Elizabethan > collar? > Liquid metronidazole? What does the vet suggest? > Tried benedryl, and prescription version of it, E-collar and the other type > that fits like a neck brace, steroids, cortisone shots and cream, several [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > down. I have alternated the two collars because it takes a day or so each > time until she figures out she can get around it again. .........does she do this year round or is it seasonal? What does she eat. buglady take out the dog before replying This has carried on all through the year since last spring. She currently is eating Iams. Previously I had them on Nutra Max until the "poison" scare through some of the Nutra products. We previously lived in the country.....never any problems with allergies. We moved to the City and vet said she could be allergic to some of the lawn treatment or oak. Whether it's allergies or not, I still need to devise a way to keep her off the leg until it can heal over really good. I believe every time it starts healing and dries out, it must itch or bother her in some way and then she licks it till it is all opened up again. Vicious cycle. >> Tried benedryl, and prescription version of it, E-collar and the other > type [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > buglady > take out the dog before replying > This has carried on all through the year since last spring. She currently > is eating Iams. Previously I had them on Nutra Max until the "poison" scare [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and dries out, it must itch or bother her in some way and then she licks it > till it is all opened up again. Vicious cycle. She has a lick granuloma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_granuloma Our 5 1/2 year old GSD has had one of these on one of her hind legs for at least the past couple of years. It gets better, then she starts licking it again until it literally bleeds on occasion. They are frequently very difficult to treat, as the cause is often psychological (boredom, separation anxiety, etc.). Our vet isn't a believer in Elizabethan collars for this kind of thing, and in his opinion some of the medications you can treat it with, such as steroids or Prozac, can cause worse problems/dependencies themselves if the dog has to take them for an extended period of time. If you haven't already done so, you should have your vet do a skin test on the affected area to make sure it's not a fungal or bacterial infection. We've resorted to simply stopping our dog whenever we catch her licking at it, but we obviously can't watch her 24 hours a day. Bitter apple had absolutely no effect - she'd lick it off no matter how often we applied it. We have also noticed some improvement after a dietary change - like you, we were feeding Nutro until the first big recall, and after a couple of false starts, have settled on Canidae wet and dry, which has so far remained untainted by any of the subsequent recalls and is a high-quality food. Good luck with whatever you decide to try - these are difficult to treat. Dave >> This has carried on all through the year since last spring. She >> currently [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Dave Thank you for the information. I agree that this can be an obsessive disorder and she definitely has the habit of going to the same area even once it has healed to some extent. I did have the area tested for bacteria, etc., and it came up negative. As indicated previously, the e-collar didn't do any good or only for a short while. I will just try to remain patient and catch her as much as I can and stop her actions. Otherwise, I am lost for any othe solution at this point. Again, thanks. Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory@hotmail.com - 19 Jun 2007 12:43 GMT HOWEDY prs geek, "prs geek" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:vN2ci. 25465$YL5.693@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... And likeWIZE, HOWEDY Dave, WELCOME to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett, Monkey And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat, Goat, Ferett, Monky And Horse Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{); ~ ) > I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett, Monkey And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) > Here's your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett, Monkey And Horsey Wizard's The *666* Edition Of Your Own FREE COPY Of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply A-M-A-Z-I-N-G G-R-A-N-D Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett, Monkey And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL ***FREE*** WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat, Goat, Ferett, Monkey And Horsey Training Method Manual<{) ; ~ )> <{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}> <{#}:~} > < {~ :{@}> <{}:~}>www.smart.net/~pstech/HoweManual.txt<{}:~}> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}> <{#}:~} > < { ~ :{@}> <{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}> >>> This has carried on all through the year since last >>> spring. She currently is eating Iams. Previously >>> I had them on Nutra Max until the "poison" scare >>> through some of the Nutra products. ALL commercial dog food is GARBAGE: http://www.iamscruelty.com/iams-video.asp >>> We previously lived in the country.....never >>> any problems with allergies. Allergens are ubiquitHOWES. Allergies are a result of a compromised auto-immune system, usually as a result of STRESS from mishanlding and commercial garbage diets and inapupriate toxic veterinary malpractices <{}: ~ ( > >>> We moved to the City and vet said she could >>> be allergic to some of the lawn treatment or oak. That's CONtraWIZE to the understanding of allergies. >>> Whether it's allergies or not, I still need to devise >>> a way to keep her off the leg until it can heal over >>> really good. IT AIN'T NO SURPRISE you got NO ADVICE from these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin self serving punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable mental cases who's own dogs GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS for the same reasons. So called licking granulomas or SELF MUTILATION are WON of the most difficult "veterinary' problems to CURE. Often, veterinary malpracticioners AMPUTATE the afflicted area when injections of steroids fail to remedy the situation. The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard has successfully CURED licking dermatitis for forty years through PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL PRAISE and distraction and praise techniques and the 4 Step Heeling Pattern training exercises in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' EndDog Training Method Manual to prevent the obsessive compulsive habit from returning <{}: ~ ) > >>> I believe every time it starts healing and dries out, >>> it must itch or bother her in some way and then she >>> licks it No. The licking is a SELF CALMING behavior aka, an anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISM. >>> till it is all opened up again. Vicious cycle. INDEEDY. >> She has a lick granuloma: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_granuloma >From that link: > The cause of a lick granuloma is most often psychogenic > and is considered to be a form of canine obsessive > compulsive disorder, OCD's are CAUSED BY STRESS according to the latest research from Purdue <{}: ~ ( > > but other causes include bacterial or fungal infections, > demodectic mange, Bacterial and fungal infections and demodectic mange are CAUSED BY a compromised auto-immune system caused by STRESS and malnurishment. > trauma causing nerve damage, allergies, or joint disease. That's ABSURD. > Large breed dogs appear to be predisposed. That seems to be questionable. > Psychogenic causes include boredom Bored dogs SLEEP. > or separation anxiety. Separation anXXXIHOWESNES ain't got NUTHIN to do with separation, it's CAUSED BY MISHANDLIN, therefore CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE the self proclaimed EXXXPERTS recommend. > Lick granulomas are especially seen in large > active dogs left alone for long periods of time. NO. It's caused by MISHANDLING. > The condition becomes a vicious cycle - erosion > of the skin from licking leads to pain and itching, > which leads to more licking. One theory is that > excessive licking causes endorphin release, causing > an addiction to licking. That's ABSURD. > The lick granuloma often becomes infected with bacteria. BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA!!! >> Our 5 1/2 year old GSD has had one of these >> on one of her hind legs for at least the past >> couple of years. Naaah? >> It gets better, then she starts licking it again >> until it literally bleeds on occasion. They are >> frequently very difficult to treat, Veterinary malpracticioners AIN'T GOT NO remedy. >> as the cause is often psychological >> (boredom, separation anxiety, etc.). AS STATED. >> Our vet isn't a believer in Elizabethan collars >> for this kind of thing, and in his opinion some >> of the medications you can treat it with, such >> as steroids or Prozac, can cause worse problems/ >> dependencies themselves if the dog has to take them >> for an extended period of time. CORRECTO! >> If you haven't already done so, you should >> have your vet do a skin test on the affected >> area to make sure it's not a fungal or bacterial >> infection. The veterinarians LOVE doin THAT! >> We've resorted to simply stopping our >> dog whenever we catch her licking at it, THAT will INCREASE anXXXIHOWESNESS. >> but we obviously can't watch her 24 hours a day. INDEEDY <{}: ~ ( > >> Bitter apple had absolutely no effect - Of curse not. >> she'd lick it off no matter how often we applied it. Aversives usually INCREASE anXXXIHOWESNESS and even IF they worked the dog would simply find an alternate site to chew / lick <{}: ~ ( > >> We have also noticed some improvement after a >> dietary change - like you, we were feeding Nutro >> until the first big recall, and after a couple of false >> starts, have settled on Canidae wet and dry, which >> has so far remained untainted by any of the subsequent >> recalls and is a high-quality food. IT'S GARBAGE. >> Good luck "Luck is for SUCKERS. NEVER make a SUCKER'S BET," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( > >> with whatever you decide to try - >> these are difficult to treat. NO THEY AIN'T. >> Dave > > Thank you for the information. BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAA!!! > I agree that this can be an obsessive disorder > and she definitely has the habit of going to the > same area even once it has healed to some extent. > I did have the area tested for bacteria, etc., and it > came up negative. As indicated previously, the e- > collar didn't do any good or only for a short while. Dogs HATE wearin them and the distress will likely cause OTHER temperament and behavior problems. > I will just try to remain patient and catch her > as much as I can and stop her actions. THAT will REINFORCE the behavior. > Otherwise, I am lost for any othe solution at this point. Naaaah? Looks like you're in EXXXCELLENT company! > Again, thanks. -- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fo?tografie/doggy-pictures/ "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net> schreef inbericht news:DLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > You'll get ALL the INFORMATION you need in your > FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > EXXXTINGUISH the HABITUAL aspect of this > DIS-EASE. My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and was causing an itch). After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt. I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts. I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for somebody like me. The minute he started to bite i trew my key's next to him on the floor, and praised him (he stopped biting and looked up when he heard the sound) I did this 7 times, after that the tailbiting completely stopped. Just give the wits end method a try. One of the possible downloadlocations is http://www.doggydoright.com/id?3.html Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ----------------- Subject: Re: dog chewing he paw raw. "Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@?chello.nl> wrote in message news:Y4bJb.5829$7U1.65469@amstwist00.. > "Paul B" <a...@clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht > news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz... [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 > www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fo?tografie/doggy-pictures/ "Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@?chello.nl> wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00... RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good! But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse) My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or it might be the age. Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn something new: he wants me to bring along the can filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a "good dog", and never a "bad dog" There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved. For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog, he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked! My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them), maybe this helped too. Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id?3.html --------------------- In Love And Light, I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours, Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply A-M-A-Z-I-N-G G-R-A-N-D Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferett, Goat, Monkey And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) > HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) > |
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